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One thing I miss about the old days of MMA was the martial arts purists who claimed that kung fu/taekwondo/karate/other very specific martial art that they trained in was better than MMA, only they couldn’t prove it because their styles were too deadly/illegal/would make your heart explode inside your chest. Good thing this feud has erupted between Iron Ring’s “Maoshan” and Nick “The Goat” Thompson.

The above video is an answer to Thompson’s challenge. What I’d like us to focus on here is how lazily and predictably done it is. You find this out right away when they refer to Thompson as “The Bitch Goat”. Really? The guy gives you a head start by being nicknamed “The Goat” and the best thing you can think of is to add the word bitch?

I also wonder about Maoshan’s assertions that a) most MMA fighters are, like Thompson, hopelessly unskilled, and b) he can’t participate in the challenge match because he lives in the hood and doesn’t have $40,000.

I’m no economist, but I’d think that if I were a poor person who knew beyond all doubt that I was a better fighter than the losers making money as MMA fighters (except Rampage and Anderson Silva), I might do whatever it took to tone down my deadly killing moves just enough to make some cash as a fighter. Then again, I guess once your body is a killing machine, as this guy’s clearly is, there’s just no turning it off.

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Aaron from alaska- June 26, 2008 at 2:46 pm
@ Vrax you beat me to it....also does anyone have a link to this vid its not available
Aaron from alaska- June 26, 2008 at 2:41 pm
@ JOSH, I highly doubt it but hey maybe you did, anyways I started out practicing Kung Fu (San soo = Five familes) to help with boxing, and in that gym they were teaching BJJ and I could not take my eyes off what they were doing, I tried sparring with some of the BJJ guys and taking stuff from them next thing you know I showing up for BJJ,I learned excellent things from the Kung Fu was how to breathe and fall, but I enjoy MMA much more and will continue to train
Vrax- June 26, 2008 at 2:03 pm
This thread is awesome.

@: Supreme ninja Josh; dude, c'mon. Get a better story here. If you had, for the sake of argument, "blinded him with your thumbs" his hands would shoot up by reflex and cover his eyes. Guess what? That means they'd be in the way of your supreme larynx crusher elbow technique. Also, unless he spun in mid air and somehow shot in faced upwards, how the fuck are you even AIMing at his larynx?

Now, as for certian techniques which are outlawed in MMA being practical and useful on the street? Well, sure. And it has bene proven in the UFC, eye pokes change fights, so do groin kicks, knees to the head of a downed opponent, heel kicks to the kidney form guard, spiking in a takedown, and of course downward elbows to the spine.

That's all pretty fucking obvious guys. What I do not get AT ALL, is why people seem to think that MMA competitors don't know this? They know! GSP will poke you in the eye and nut kick you as he whips your sorry ass on the street. There is no reason to think that MMA fighters would not be able to utilize all their tools in a no rules encounter.

WAR Goat!
Josh- June 26, 2008 at 1:27 pm
As much as this Kung-fu guy is a moron, he's right.

As a practitioner of Southern Shaolin and Ninjutsu, I get into this debate often. This came to a head when I was attacked by a known mma practitioner with some amateur fights under his belt.

The result? He shot, I blinded him with my thumbs then collapsed his larynx with an elbow strike. He survived.

MMA is NOT reality. There truly are NO RULES on the streets. By training the way they do, MMA fighters train themselves to obey the rules of their sport. This makes them hopelessly ill-suited to streetfighter where anything goes.

Just my two cents.
Rev. Jesse Jackson- June 26, 2008 at 1:10 pm
They iz no rulez in DA HOOD, YOOOO!!!
Piffzilla- June 26, 2008 at 12:38 pm
WTF??? Listen everyone...he's not black, He's a dump hick with a tan. Kung Fu will not help u in fight with a MMA Fighter. UFC's 1-10 prove that...Duh. Spit all that bad rap , givivg blacks a bad wrap.
whaaa?- June 26, 2008 at 11:11 am
Wu tang clan, lol.
jim- June 26, 2008 at 7:15 am
on my part i have studied traditional southern shaolin chinese boxing for many years. kung fu literally means 'hard work'. there are many different styles, teachings and schools. not all of these are good. i have no doubt as with any martial art that there are a lot impracticable ones as well as ones that are purely visual and nice as an aesthetic. however within our school and teachings we believe, amongst other things, that to become a complete fighter you need to train in all aspects. this is why as i believe any serious gung fu student would train in all aspects of groundfighting, pugilism, jointlocking, internal, external aspects, dim mac, weapons, throws, vital point stricking etc etc. if you, as we all are, were training for battle and as if your life depended on it - why would you not train in groundfighting? as a school we train and compete in amateur mma, semi pro kickboxing etc. personally i feel that if i were to enter a fight without knowing my groundgame and the experience of someone in mount knocking the shit outta me, well sod it i'd rather just learn to run really fast. this is not to knock anyone who trains purely for other reasons but i train for combat and as such full contact fighting is an excellent tool. no amount of theory will teach you to not shit yourself when you're in a headlock or choke. the only thing that will teach that is experience. mma is a sport and one i will continue to compete in for fun and for challenge/experience.
US of KKKA- June 26, 2008 at 4:46 am
Go fucking hug Barak Hussein Obama dude. Ill give you Silva but guess what he's Brazillian. Rampage is a chump stain. White boy Forest is gonna hand him his ass. And seriously who did you study your Kung Fu under the fucking Wu Tang Clan. The Method Man aint gonna help you when Fedor Emeliananko is feeding you 4 oz leather gloves. PS where are all of the Kung Fu artists in the octagon today? I guess they are all making more money behind the hibachi and rolling fucking sushi
Old, Bald and Irish- June 26, 2008 at 4:42 am
Ditto to "SayWhat"

First off, all you assholes who immediately took a racial bend to this debate, I have two words for you:

"You" and "Fuck"....but not in that order.

As a former devote Kung Fu practioner, I find this whole argument rather silly.

Kung Fu in general is a beautiful and powerful martial arts disipline. I studied Hung Gar and Praying Mantis and thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

The case in point is that it's "mixed martial arts". It's obvious that if you step in the ring and you have just a ground game or just a striking game...chances are you're gonna lose against a practitioner who is skilled at both. The outcome is that one strict disipline will NOT necesarily win the day. This has been proven time and again. The EXACT reason why they started teaching BJJ at my school was because kenpo is a great style while your on your feet. But once you hit the ground, it can't do SHIT for you.....and this is coming from a 5th degree black belt in kenpo!

To “Maoshan”'s comment that "it's a sport"...yes, he's right, it is a sport. But he seems painfully unaware that it's a "sport" that is EXTREMELY transferable to a street situation. Since training in kenpo and BJJ, I pretty much know what I would do in a street situation (and that is what I train for):

I'm gonna throw a few shots to feel you out while keeping my distance from your kicks and punches. Then, when I determine that the moment is right, I'm gonna shoot, slam you and choke you until shit comes outta yer eyes.

With all due respect Mr. Maoshan, that is what the "bitch goat" will probably do to you.

Martial art is just like visual art. Is Expressionism better than Cubism? It's all a matter of taste and purpose. Does one style of art fit a specific function better than another? Of course. Would an advertisement for Xyience work with an Art Deco look and feel? Of course not. Does that mean Art Deco is a bad style?

You're a dope if you said "yes".

The true potential of MMA is realized when one is not a slave to one style, but an artist of many. Myopic thinking will not insure victory in a fight; on the streets or in a cage.

You know, rarely do I get to bullshit about the two disiplines that I legitimately know something about: art and fighting!


...whoops...spilled my beer.
ol'pappy- June 26, 2008 at 4:28 am
everything but spelling
SayWhat- June 26, 2008 at 3:30 am
Well have we forgotten MMA evolved from different aspect of each martial arts.

There is just too many ignorant people/big headed fighters/martial artist out there that don't understand and respect each others fighting styles.

the whole purist vs mma debate is stupid. They are both forms of martial arts, just mma is more taking each aspects.

Also BJJ is considered a purist art. not MMA solely. That video dont prove much, its all about practioners also not only style.
Where- June 26, 2008 at 2:52 am
Does anyone know where Nick Thompson's original challange is?
well- June 26, 2008 at 2:43 am
i really don't like how people are basically implying that kung-fu is useless and retarded. generally, it isn't a good at practical fighting but still is appreciated for its cultural significance, discipline, and maybe even exercise.

seriously.. these arguments are fucking stupid.

some mma fighters still take elements of fighting from different traditional fighting styles, and thats what mma is all about.

lastly, i don't think the guy in the video was implying that kung-fu was better than mma. i think he was trying to imply that kung-fu still has credibility versus mma, but there people in mma that undoubtedly are unstoppable. i mean, you do have to exaggerate a point to get it across.
The Bloc- June 26, 2008 at 2:10 am
what a fuckin joke. here's the end to all debates:
Kung-Pao- June 26, 2008 at 1:34 am
LOL...Kaleb Starnes could whip this guys ass. Please. I'd pay to see The Goat rape the Monkey...or Eagle...or whatever style he's packin'.

Here's another link:
Black power(not a white guy. No, really!)- June 26, 2008 at 1:19 am
Win you lil d!ck white boy's(You're all too weak to be called men) gonna just give up and giv us blaek MEN! yo fine azz white b!tches, fly azz job's, and dope azz houses? We iz da best at evray ting fo real.

Nigga OUT!
the bloc- June 26, 2008 at 1:15 am
aaaaaw man vid no longer available...
shutupandfight- June 26, 2008 at 12:48 am
my impression- dude's still pissed his bf didn't give him that reach around he's been begging for.
JoseMonkey- June 26, 2008 at 12:07 am
I have to agree with Terrence; I find it suspicious that the only guys that this chump recognizes as having "skill" are probably the two most well-known black guys in MMA.

Don't get me wrong, Rampage and Silva (especially Silva) are bad asses. But this guy clearly thinks white boys have no skill. That's just plain silly, aside from being demonstrably false.
magicmatt- June 26, 2008 at 12:03 am
Rampage is the only one in mma with skill?
I always thought rampages greatest skill was slamming people on the mat..
Alex- June 26, 2008 at 12:01 am
I like how that video gives the impression he just spent the entire day ranting about MMA
Gargolito- June 25, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Jason DeLucia was a highly touted Kung Fu practicioner and got his ass handed to him by Royce Gracie with no (few) rules in about a minute in UFC2. If you look on the net I'm sure I've seen KungFu guys try this shit before and look like idiots. If I had the cash I would GIVE this idiot $40k just to see his ass handed to him, plus I'll know he'll spend more than that in medical bills anyway.
Terrence- June 25, 2008 at 11:50 pm
LOL.....hmm the only guys with skill are black? name a white guy you racist.....
Chuck- June 25, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I'd like to point out the Syracuse University t-shirt he's wearing. I know nothing about this guy or anything about this feud until i came to this site ( from holy taco best site ever). But im from Syracuse, couldnt quite tell if the street he walked out into was it but it looked pretty close. Either way, if thats the place hes talkin about, i just have to laugh. People of course get shot and stuff like in any city, but Syracuse is nothing compared to like D.C., Chicago, Detriot, or New York.