(Ah, the good old days…)
New rules regarding cornermen and the application of Vaseline will be on display at tonight’s UFC Fight Night 17, and they’re thought to be permanent. If anybody doesn’t like it they have George St. Pierre’s crew to blame.
MMA Weekly reports that the UFC has decreed “that cornermen associated with the fighters will no longer be allowed to handle the Vaseline used in between rounds to treat and prevent cuts.” Instead, the UFC will provide a cut man to each corner, and he’ll be the only one allowed to apply Vaseline or work on a cut.
Since only two people are allowed in the Octagon at a time, one of a fighter’s trainers has to stay out if they need the UFC-sanctioned cut man to do his work. And since you pretty much always want to put Vaseline on your fighter’s face between rounds, the effect of this new rule will probably be to limit corners to one trainer inside the cage.
Two things on this new rule…
1) Good work by the UFC. Unlike the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which takes a couple months to make a decision, the UFC pounced on this. They saw a potential problem and fixed it for the very next event. It amounts to a public display of their commitment to fair competition, and that’s exactly what they needed to put to rest any hint of impropriety on their part.
2) If what we’re hearing about the widespread use of greasing is true, this probably won’t matter. Applying Vaseline to the body during a fight is a rules violation that’s easy to spot. If anybody’s greasing as a matter of routine, they aren’t doing between rounds. They’re more likely doing it hours or even the night before the fight, according to many fighters. This rule won’t prevent that, though at least it’s a step in the right direction.
MMA has to find a way to put greasing allegations to rest, otherwise we’re going to hear this same complaint every time someone loses a close fight. The worst part is, it’s the kind of allegation you can’t prove or disprove. If Joe Lauzon loses tonight and then says Jeremy Stephens “felt greasy,” there’s no way of knowing whether he’s just making excuses or not (though in that case we would assume that yes, he is).
And finally, let’s go ahead and admit that accusing one another of being covered in lube does not help MMA’s case against the ‘gay foreplay’ detractors. It just doesn’t. Not that we should be too concerned about what these people think, but come on. All this talk about rubbing a hairless French-Canadian down with Vaseline, even I’m starting to feel a little weird about it.
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Sat, 02/07/09 - 08:57
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Sat, 02/07/09 - 08:59
They should also watch out for Vicks Vapor Rub and Cocoa Butter. That's what I use when I play Xbox.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 09:01
Naw man. All because BJ is a little whiny bitch. GTFO BJ you fat hawiian homo. or however you spell that bullshit.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 09:01
At least we still have old fashioned spit. The corner men outside can just hock some shit onto their fighter's backs... totally not gay.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 09:02
good work from the ufc, now a gsp vs penn 3, just to see penn get pushed in the face again
Sat, 02/07/09 - 09:21
now i get to prop gsp's legs akimbo like im a midwife birthing his hairless wigger baby
Sat, 02/07/09 - 09:49
I don't see the big thing about this, I thought the UFC supplied cutmen anyway, Stitch and the other guy. Besides, a greasy back doesn't magically deflect punches to your face.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 09:59
yes it does if you can't hold onto some one they can posture up and punch you in the face
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:03
Way to go and ruin it for everybody, Grease Backson...
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:10
lol Excellent. Since only 2 people will be allowed in the cage to help/repair each fighter, maybe "spitters" can spit through the cage. You know, each fighter with a team of 5 or 6 spitters just guzzling olive oil and spitting it on the fighters' backs.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:12
Sweet - UFC took the blatant cheating seriously! That's good news for MMA as a sport!
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:15
Good move by the UFC. To be honest though, some people sweat more than others and have more natural oil in their skin. Bitching about it and saying they "felt greasy" is like GSP saying "well I kept punching Penn in the face and he never got cut, so he must be applying superglue to his face, it just felt like a coconut." If someone's wrestling is stronger than your BJJ, this is what can happen. So build a bridge and get over it.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:18
Pingu... You are a dumb fuck! Stick to sports you know before you start commenting on them. You dumb, dumb fuck.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:25
I like the new rules although any implying that GSP was cheating is redonkulous. I've seen the replay in super high definition zoom technology that hasn't been released to the American public yet and there is no significant amount of Vaseline or any related petroleum jelly products on the trainer's hand. It is more likely a massage used to apply GSP's riddum. Matt Hughes jumping on board and labeling GSP "greasy" is just an attempt to remain relevant in a world where he's not even sniffing the ass of top 20 170ers. While I'd love more than anything to see GSP/Hughes IV, Matt should fast for 40 days and 40 nights in praise to his lord and savior Jesus Henry Christ and attempt to make 155 so we can see up and coming TUF fighters learn the values of dry humping other dudes to 15 minute decisions. Hey Dana, take that extra corner man and have him rub vaseline on Andree DeSanti between rounds.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:28
BJ Penn's next excuse will be, "He used magic".
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:42
LOL, Some guy thats amazing
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:48
i have a feeling the vaseline partys not over for GSP, that gif clearly shows how gay GSP is
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:49
the h in jesus h christ is for hussein. duh
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:54
What makes me even more uncomfortable than hearing about rubbing down a shredded hairless French Canadian in lube, is when we get the camera view from behind GSP as he's pounding someone out. Having to stare at his cup from that angle in this spandex, while the shredded French Canadian smothers someone is more uncomfortable.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 10:55
Who said that hocking luggies on the backs of fighters wasn't gay, you ever heard of the Houdini?
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:00
I am not sure if its just my computer being horridly old or if the image intentionally does this, but I swear when the trainer is rubbing GSP's back and then GSP looks down to lock eyes with him, the animation truly slows down. Quite a moment, you can't fight true love.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:04
@ some guy I fuckin' lol'd man nice.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:06
I'm not really blaming gsp for this, but how can people still comment like it didn't happen? It's very clear; so clear the ufc had to do something about it immediately. Also just thought I'd mention the fact BJ didn't actually say "greasing is why I lost", actually I don't remember "him" saying anything other then I got beat; until this got a bit heated. This isn't about anything other then watching a guy get greased between round on live ppv. Not good. Looks like that "might" change now...
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:07
" And finally, let’s go ahead and admit that accusing one another of being covered in lube does not help MMA’s case against the ‘gay foreplay’ detractors. " BEST QUOTE EVER! ROFL
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:08
Actually in regards to the look in the eye that GSP gives his cornerman, that's what ultimately condemned him in my oppinion. I read GSP's expression and it looks as if he's thinking "I love you, you clever motherfucker". GSP greases down a little but it's not necessarilly cheating and he would have beaten BJ's ass anyway. It will be interesting to see how Grease Backson's fighters perform now that the UFC has outlawed their secret weapon (homoerotiscism).
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:14
Cagepotato you're dumb. As if the cut man can't be bribed into helping the fighter or still applying random shit on the fighter's body, or cheat. Why not just search the corner men for any type of vaseline and remove them?
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:19
While I don't think vaseline had much of an impact on this fight, I do applaud the UFC for taking this step. However, its not enough. Rubbing in lotions, oils etc on your skin before the fight could make them come out during the fight when sweat starts flowing. To combat this very real problem I think the athletic commission (or the UFC) should wipe these guys down with a warm soapy towel when they get their hands wrapped before the fight. It sounds pretty ghey, but I think its necessary. Who knows--we might even start seeing more submissions after it happens.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:20
Bullshit Bens'...this is not making you feel "wierd"...you are milking this for all its worth. It gives your blog some "no-news" to talk about and you are obviously playing BOTH sides. You say in one post that its not a big deal, and then joke about it and fluff it up the next second. The real problem is that I have never seen the level of homophobia and stupidity on this site until this recent incident. As frank Trigg says, were seeing the other 50% of MMA fans...and their all the idiots of the world gathering on this comments page. Stay Classy San Diego....
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:21
I agree, the slickness puts the submission artists at a disadvantage. wash 'em down. www.fromthecage.com
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:38
Meh whatever.. Caught, rules changed, case closed. Blah blah blah
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:38
Another step towards "greasers" having less of an unfair advantage would be for the ufc to allow grappling pants
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:40
goodbye my big greasy georgie! :-(
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:40
Fuck mmamania! I give props to cp for never censoring our comments unlike those fags from the other website. Oh by the way Penn got his ass whooped just take the beating and go on to the next fight. He did talk a lot of shit even before the fight was signed and he gives a performance like that? Fucking bitch your Hawaiian spirit got broken!!
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:43
it seams to me the administrators of this site are clearly american because of they're biased comments and captions (the good ol' days, gsp's crew to thank, etc) i thought that people that ran sites like this were supposed to be proffesional and unbiased.. and one last thing if cliff jumping is training does that mean eating a ice cream sandwich is too?
Sat, 02/07/09 - 12:08
i wouldn't say GSP is gay i just get the feeling hes sucked a dick or two in his day.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 12:16
also, did gsp's crew try the defense that his greasiness was just a natural byproduct of being french-canadian? ......jk my neighbors to the north : P
Sat, 02/07/09 - 12:29
Attention, fucksmudges: I know how fucking being greasy would help in a fight. My point was having grease on your *back* is not going to make punches miss your *face*.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 12:44
AJ sweety!!! Take off your pj's! daddy is coming in with the Vaseline!! When we was in the shower together your butt cheeks were warm. I would put a chunk of the vaseline on the tip of my dick, and slide it into your warm butt cheeks! I love you sweety!!
Sat, 02/07/09 - 01:01
If you look at some of the past fights this has been going on for some time !!!
Sat, 02/07/09 - 01:06
FIRST!!!!
Sat, 02/07/09 - 01:06
oh shit nevermind
Sat, 02/07/09 - 01:10
hey mumbles, i bet youve sucked a few dicks in your day too asshole. its funny how u would say sumthin on the net that u wouldnt say to his face, i dunno if its your attempt to try and be funny, which u arent, or your attempt to act tough, which u arent so go into your bedroom, take off your shoes, and take 20-30 minutes and go fuck yourself
Sat, 02/07/09 - 01:45
Seth Petrazelli felt a little greasy! Yep that's why I lost.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 01:58
ok, anonymous, here's a wakeup call for you. just because the ufc initiated a new rule about this doesn't imply that gsp and his team engaged in some massive conspiracy to deliberately violate the code of ethics within the ring. what it signifies is that the ufc doesn't want this shit to spiral any more out of control than it already has. shit, the cagepotato forums alone are out of control with commentary on this one. no, this is the ufc protecting its investment (read: itself.) the organization passed this ruling in order to ensure that the big cash machine that the ufc has become will keep on rolling and generating revenue as much as possible. which makes sense - i would do the same. this message isn't an attack on you; it's a reminder that the ufc does not in any way, either direct or implied, admit that gsp or his people cheated in any way. what they are doing is making a good attempt at slamming the door on this nonsense so that the organization, the fighters and the fans can get on with the business of kicking ass and taking names in the premier mma league in the world.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:04
Damn! KimboSlicesofPie definitely wins. I'm gonna have to just buy one of those shirts I guess.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:20
They need to keep fighters under supervision hours prior to their fight if what Mac Danzig said was true. It may be a problem but it needs to be done.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:26
GSP was covered in grease? That explains why BJ's training camp involved pizza.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:28
Yea being street certified doesn't prepare you for greasy italians!
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:29
The rule does not make sense. A fighter should have his own cut man. Simply banning the use of Vaseline except for the face would be enough. Vaseline use could be easily monitored.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:30
well said bob, we can end this forum now.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:31
What did Danzig say?
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:39
People who are saying this was blatant cheating are fucking morons. It was carelessness of Phil Nurse to touch GSP before wiping his hands. Plain and simple. GSP doesn't need to cheat to manhandle his opponents. It was a stupid mistake but not deliberate. Get over it. And the BS about lubing up the night before so you sweat it out is laughable. How much do you really think will be absorbed into the pores? GSP's pores must be like a fucking camel's hump. I know there are many of them but their size doesn't allow for a 5 round lubing. And then during their pre-fight warm-up the shit would come out. Then you have a shirt you wear to the octagon.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:41
To the deaf george to the deaf
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:55
I hope the UFC keeps it up and enacts a rule that will finally end GSP dominance, the much anticipated "no french rap" rule
Sat, 02/07/09 - 02:59
PLEASE SHOW THE CLIP WHERE PHIL PUTS ON VASELINE ON HIS HANDS AND THEN DIRECTLY GOES TO GSP BACK...saw a clip of that..vaseline, and then direct to the back of gsp...(against BJ)
Sat, 02/07/09 - 03:46
Greasing? what about the fact that the ufc paid out less than 1.5 million in fighter salaries. With 1.3 million buys @ $25.00 a pop and a live gate of 5 mill thats like 40 million. Advertising and event cost maybe 3-5 mill with a profit of 30-35 million for three guys. Every fighter on that card got greased including GSP, pay your fucking fighters you pieces of shit.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 03:59
U cocksucker!!!!!
Sat, 02/07/09 - 04:04
Fuck me if I am wrong but BJ won that fight
Sat, 02/07/09 - 04:19
UFC is just building more attention around GSP & BJ Penn to try and legitimize a 3rd match between the two... Its call building hype, this was their biggest PPV and they want to do it again, its not rocket science... However for the fighters the outcome will probably be the same and for the UFC they will probably make a shit ton again, however i don't think it will be record breaking, unless they can really sell this angle to the fans.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 04:25
George "Sanfran krisco Kid" Pierre
Sat, 02/07/09 - 05:28
Oh shit there goes my title.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 05:54
Didn't I hear GSP accuse BJ's face of looking like a watermelon (the square-shaped kind from Japan), which caused excessive damage to GSP's fists when he was pounding his face? And didn't GSP also accuse BlowJob Penn of lathering himself with coconut oil? Oh wait, GSP didn't do anything because he's not a fat, lazy little bish w/ excuses for losing twice. Stop trying to add asterisks to those who defeat yo ass 2x, BJ, you turdnugget excuse person.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 09:44
*** In a knee jerk reaction to lubri-gate UFC and D-White just announced fighters will no longer be allowed to shave their bodies before fights, thus detracting from prefight night oiling and gay wrestling comments. Fighters must have a quarter inch stubble about their body or a doctors note stating they have lice, crabs, severe allergies to hair, etc. Fighters will walk through a decontamination chamber enroute to the ring to completely clean and dry their bodies. Nipple tweaks, commonly known to turn on the sweat glands releasing oils (both foreign and natural) to secrete from pores, have also been banned along with homosexual french canadian sensual massages between rounds. BJ Penn's team is still lobbying for a "BJ Penn's hand must be raised at the end of the fight" rule but it is not looking good.
Sat, 02/07/09 - 11:08
so if matt hammel does it, does he become a real version of the greased up def guy?
Sun, 02/08/09 - 01:17
You know there are substances You can eat/drink many hours before the fight that literally come out of your pores and make You super 'greasy' How are they gunna ban that?! the only people this 'gay foreplay' stuff dosnt effect is those MMA FIGHTERS who actually stand and fight instead of lap dancing each other. [im being sarcastic btw]
Sun, 02/08/09 - 08:03
half the comments here are so dumb/ignorant, im no longer sure if people are being way too sarcastic or are really that dumb/ignorant. does anyone (even BJ fans) really objectively think that it had that big an impact on the fight? i grapple too, and i get that it helps in being slippery, but so does being naturally extra-sweaty. the amount of vaseline that couldve been put isnt as significant as the sweat both men already have. for all those BJ fans who are way too biased and jumped on this as an excuse for BJ, face the truth on why BJ lost: 1. no cardio. he just plain didnt train enough for such a big fight. 2. GSP's natural physical athleticism beat BJ's natural talent-wise athleticism. again, if BJ trained more it wouldve been more even. 3. he quit. again, no cardio. face it. even BJ knew GSP was the better fighter. he only started really complaining about it when it became a big issue for his fans. though many people think it isnt worth it, i think a third fight is due just to shut people up. but they should defend their titles first before that happens. oh, n i dont really mean to offend BJ fans. im a big fan of BJ too. hahahaha. but really, he's a great fighter, and his real fans would know to keep his legend (or soon-to-be legend) status intact by not making him look like a whiner.
Sun, 02/08/09 - 11:09
you dont know what your talking about you cant hold on to someone if they are greasy and it makes it much easier for them to posture up and hit you
Sun, 02/08/09 - 01:20
honestly if they care so much about greasing then bring back the gi, that's how you stop all the slipping and sliding , but there remains the issue of gi grappling . greasing is nothing new to combat sports, if anything it could be argued a safety precaution to prevent injury. its done in muay thai and they lube up the whole body, saves doctors time from stitching up the athletes. " just leave it be"
Sun, 02/08/09 - 01:38
Aaron, it looks like I'm gonna have to fuck you, because you are in fact, without a shadow of a doubt, wrong.
Sun, 02/08/09 - 05:58
too bad this didnt happen until the third round and i think he still man handled blow job anyways
Sun, 02/08/09 - 07:17
Those damm Greasers!
Sun, 02/08/09 - 09:17
i think im going to have to join bovice and go pay a visit to that aaron guy as well
Sun, 02/08/09 - 10:00
so youre telling me..that if i wanna win a fight, i dont have to train? and that the only thing i need to do to if i wanna win is get naked and cover myself in vaseline...then im immortal?
Sun, 02/08/09 - 10:46
Seriously, have you ever had a real fucking POUTINE. Not one from Burger King you wankers.....one from QUEBEC. You fucking cry gravy and piss grease for the next 6 weeks. He obviously consumed a poutine before the fight. Actually, who the fuck cares. If BJ "outtabreath" Penn had actually shown up, then maybe a case could be made. But BJ was a non factor in the fight. So why even discuss it? So you can get your internet panties in a knot??
Mon, 02/09/09 - 11:57
BJ can eat shit...what about the massive eye gouge in their 1st fight? and he still lost lol.
Tue, 02/10/09 - 06:46
yep. the ufc is def. trying to set up match #3 with this "controversy"
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