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On Second Thought, Both Fitch & Penn are Pretty Sure They Won

(What has four arms and four legs and is convinced he kicked ass at UFC 127? This guy! Pic: MMA Weekly)

So, maybe it’s time we all just concede that we have no fucking clue who won BJ Penn’s and Jon Fitch’s main event bout at UFC 127 and, ultimately, making it a draw was probably the right call, huh? I mean, Dana White thought Penn won; the only judge able to make up his mind on Saturday night thought Fitch won and Fitch agreed; Penn originally thought Fitch won, too, but given some time to think about it, he’s has changed his mind. No more acting sad-sack and giving praise to the MMA gods for “The Prodigy.”  No sir, he thinks he won after all.

“The more I’m sitting here thinking about it, I definitely got the better positions and the more dominant positions,” Penn told “I guess the first thing I was thinking was just the last round, but now, the more I’m sitting here thinking about the first two rounds – I did. I had much better positions than he had.”

For the record, at the time we were live blogging the event, we were pretty sure the judges were going to give it to Fitch, though we weren’t totally convinced that was the right call. According to his Twitter (or Facebook or something) Fitch isn’t quite as wishy-washy on the subject as Penn. He’s still convinced he deserved to get the nod and isn’t above handing out some backhanded compliments about how awesome Penn looked in the fight, either.

“Finally watched the fight back myself. First (round was a) draw and I won (rounds) 2 and 3. I will prove myself if I must. But I know I won that fight,” Fitch posted on Monday. “Much respect to BJ. He is the legend I thought he was. I think that was the best BJ ANY of us have ever seen.”

First round was a draw, huh? That’s rich. Anyway, for the numerous flaws in everybody’s reasoning, you should really read Old Dad’s typically thought-provoking commentary over on MMA Fighting. More than anything, we think our man Fowlkes pretty artfully points out why attempting to judge a sport as nuanced and diverse as MMA with the rigid, out-of-date 10-point must system is a fool’s errand. He writes:

“(Fitch’s round three) was obviously a more dominant round than either of the first two, but the current scoring system doesn’t allow for too many varying shades of dominance. You can argue that Fitch wasn’t close enough to ending the bout to justify a 10-8, but you can’t argue (at least, not convincingly) that he didn’t put a more serious whooping on Penn in that final frame than anything Penn had done to him in the prior two.

“The people who think Penn deserved a 29-28 decision victory have to reconcile that claim with the image of a battered, deflated Penn finishing the fight on his back and doing little to stop the punishment that was raining down on him. On the flip side, the people who think Fitch won have to do some fuzzy math with the first two frames to make it seem at all plausible even with a 10-8 in the final round.”

So there, see? Everybody is wrong. Nobody is right … except maybe those two judges who scored it even. But a world where MMA judges are right and the rest of us are wrong? Can we even stomach the thought of living in that world?

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cecils_pupils- March 3, 2011 at 7:41 am
The solution is simple. GSP beats Shields then moves up. Fitch and BJ flip a coin to decide who's WW champ, loser fights Shields.
Dagnut- March 3, 2011 at 4:20 am
A draw was the best result for both of them...leaves them both in limbo as contenders and rightly so,neither of them are contenders for that belt.
ghostboner- March 2, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@myklhoey - After his next loss? Well let's see he lost to....GSP....and??? Yeah GSP moving up to 185, so I guess he won't be getting cut anytime soon.
ghostboner- March 2, 2011 at 10:29 pm
I scored it a draw even in my intoxicated state. It was a draw, not so much for the round scores, but mostly for the fact that neither guy deserved a W. And yeah, Fitch kind of gave away that he lives on a different planet, one where reality doesn't exist, with "First round was a draw." *I am still snugged up to Fitch's nuuts though*
myklhoey- March 2, 2011 at 9:02 pm
fitch is a dude dana wants to cut bad, i wouldnt be shocked if he cuts him afta his next loss if its done impresivly,
hes a horrible fighter to watch, i love the sport both activly and watchin and this dude is a piece of shit,
NukeBlast- March 2, 2011 at 5:49 pm
I think Fitch won round 2 because failed submission usually worth shit on the judge card.

On the other hand I don't agree with a 10-8 round 3. GSP vs Fitch wouldve been like 50-42 if that round deserve a 10-8.
RwilsonR- March 2, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Personally, I think Fitch won Round 2, which would make this a moot point. I don't concede that round was a clear cut victory for BJ. But I hate BJ, so I might be biased. But I also hate Fitch, so who knows...
Ballkick- March 2, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Both Fitch and Penn went on to say they thought Nick Ring won his fight too!
Under Banga- March 2, 2011 at 4:35 pm
@ ragin asian check out the Gracie breakdown of BJ v Fitch on You Tube . It will show Fitch had BJ`s jits covered .
BJ made fundemental mistakes that allowed Fitch to roll into BJ`s guard from a back mount bro .....
Fitch is a bullshitter the best BJJ ha !
RaginAsian- March 2, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Either Penn won or the draw stands. He had Fitch almost finished with a choke in both round one and two. Despite the punches in bunches, Fitch was never even close. Either give Fitch a 10-8 third round or don't. Either way, he didn't win the fight.
Prometheus- March 2, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I think a draw was the most reasonable decision. Just imagine, if Fitch bothered to attempt to pound out BJ in the 3rd we wouldn't be reading all this. And yes, Fitch thinking he won the first round is pretty ridiculous.
danomite- March 2, 2011 at 2:59 pm
good to see ben was checking out the porn forums instead of working on an article FOR HIS WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!! i'm gonna have to change my youjizz account name now. Thanks alot Ben
RwilsonR- March 2, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Now I really don't want GSP to vacate at WW just so I never have to see either one of these douches wearing that belt. Although I think Kos might be able to beat both.
ReX13- March 2, 2011 at 1:36 pm
^ Well, this is from the same guy who told us he likes his oatmeal lumpy.
El Famous Burrito- March 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm

Make that robot ED-209, book it for Detroit and you got a winner!
bgoldstein- March 2, 2011 at 1:25 pm
"I think that was the best BJ ANY of us have ever seen.”

- commenter 'darkgable69' on the forums
ReX13- March 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Told you: draw makes sense.
Limfamous- March 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm
danomite- March 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm
so, this BJ Penn fella who said that he won the first two rounds based on positioning, is he the same guy who whined when he thought GSP beat him based on "positioning"? Just want to make sure I'm talking about the same guy before I call him a hypocrite.
also, Fitch is delusional if he thinks that first round was a draw.

also also, did CP switch to wordpress or from wordpress or whatever just for the little graphic that shows up when I type in the wrong password? Because other than that and the fact that I can't put spaces between my paragraphs I don't see any difference.
Fried Taco- March 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm
I say get rid of the judges, and just use a killer robot. The way it works is this, if the fight goes the time limit, stick the killer robot in the cage with the two fighters. Whoever survives is the winner.

My money would be on the killer robot. And no, his name isn't Ryan Jimmo.