JUST LIKE i SAID WE ALLISTERS DAYS AS A WORLD CLASS HEAVYWEIGHT ARE OVER,,,,,RELEASED FROM STRIKEFORCE,,,,,,MARK MY WORDS....

Interesting facts, but I still think fedor would get destroyed against lesnar, carwen, cain, and I think any of the fighters I listed in my rankings would have great chances of winning.

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@ArmFarmer

I think that's a good place you provided for a estimated ranking. I can't find much fault off the cuff - thanks. I'm gonna run with it.

Here's what I see using the names we threw out, plus a couple extra at the bottom.

Cain (8-0) 29 years 244 pounds 6 foot 1 inches
Junior (13-1) 26 years 239 pounds 6 foot 4 inches
Lesnar (5-2) 34 years 280 pounds 6 foot 3 inches
Carwin (12-2) 36 years 254 pounds 6 foot 2 inches
Mir (15-5) 32 years 260 pounds 6 foot 3 inches
FEDOR (31-3) 34 years 230 pounds 6 foot
Mitrione (5-0) 33 years 261 pounds 6 foot 3 inches
Schaub (8-1) 28 years 245 pounds 6 foot 4 inches
Nelson (15-6) 35 years 260 pounds 6 foot
Nogueira (32-6-1) 35 years 234 pounds 6 foot 3 inches
Struve (21-5) 23 years 255 pounds 6 foot 11 inches


There is something disproportional.

The average win ratio is (15-3)
The average age is 31 years
The average weight is 251 pounds
The average height is 6 foot 3 inches


If Fedor where to join the UFC he has:


- twice as many wins
- a par loss record
- is 21 pounds lighter
- is 3 inches shorter


when compared to the average UFC Heavyweight.


If Fedor stepped in to fight Cain Velasquez today, he would have nearly 4.25 times the experience, he would be 5 years older, be 14 pounds lighter, and give up 1 inch in height.



As you pointed out, less weight can sometime equate to quickness. Outside of this I think it is impossible for Cain to ever gain as much experience over a 5 year period. I think the the UFC would be completely stupid to not sign Fedor. He would at worse be there for only 3 fights.

Ufc has 25 heavyweights? Lol.. Thats a tough one. Carwins got back to back losses agaisnt lesnar and dos santos, lesnar got mopped up by cain, mir is on a streak but got crushed twice, mitrione and schaub are on streaks but no big wins.. I guess my rankings would be something like: cain, junior, lesnar, carwen, mir, fedor, mitrione/schaub, nelson? That makes sense right? Mirs last two were cro cop via ko and nelson via rape right?
@birdman
I think strikeforce belt carries a tad more weight than your ultimate backyard championship.. I dont completely disagree with what youre getting at but thats a bit extreme.

@Birdman
Much of what you write is true. The only thing UFC ever had going for it was that they corralled the game first. As they grew, especially Dana's ego, they became better and contractually locking people down. In one way the UFC is much like Facebook. They won all rights to just about everything. A monopoly, no doubt in my mind.
This control will one day unravel much of what they have sought so hard to exploit. As for the Reem, the UFC will go on with or without the Reem. Yet, there are many other avenues he can pursue.
I think the Reem's refusal to be allowed to get caged by Fluffa is a good thing. He has talent and their other venues.
Possibly the Reem knows that by winning (or losing)the StrikeFarce tournament, he would have to seriously step up his game if reentering the UFC, and has optioned to walk rather impinge in his record. That's called brand management.
Is he leaving money on the table, sure he is. Yet for some men, money is not everything, winning is.
If money is the sole angle, then the currency in Europe or Asia also can be direct deposited and is worth more - which in the end means negotiations are easier.
If you are planning to fight inside the UFC, then you must know that you will have to do more than give a reach around.
Look at it this way, the Reem is walking away from what Tito would surely suck cock over.

Go Bellator!

To ArmFarmer: Wish I had seen it. I might agree with you.

Ok, let me start this by saying that I am a huge fan of 'The Reem", however, I just have to say....this has become the most backwards ass shit I have ever witnessed in my life. I truly believe that Alister doesn't give a shit about proving himself in MMA. Everyone who is not in denial knows that the UFC is the grand poobah of the MMA world. Now I know that statement is going to draw the ire of so called "real fans", who root for any third rate organization over the UFC, but I do believe these are real fans that are just angry over the fact that someone they don't care for on a PERSONAL level, happens to run the only company that really matters in a sport that they genuninely love. But back to my original point. In a world where every fighter works their ass off and dreams of a day where they can be considered "real" atheletes, on par with NFL, MLB & NBA players, you would assume that these guys would jump at any opportunity to prove themselves worthy of such accolades, but no, in an MMA world where, more and more we hear phrases like "Anderson Silva money" or "GSP deals" and with more and more endorsment deals coming to the table we see so many fighters assuming, based on performances made in these third rate promotions, that they deserve these things from the outset. I find myself sympatizing with Dana White on this issue, and wanting to say, "No one knows who the fuck you are. Now tell me again why I'm supposed to pay you this kind of money." In the end the answer seems so clear. If you want the big bucks, if you want the endorsment deals, if you want notariety and fame, if you are interested in the "Anderson Silva money" or the "GSP deals" then earn them. The same way they earned them...by fighting fights that mean something. I could start a promotion tomorrow, put my self on my own roster as a light heavyweight figher, sign up my neighbor to fight me, beat the shit out of him in my back yard and become the new undisputed light heavyweight champion of the "who fucking cares" promotion and that is going to mean the same thing to the UFC and the people as any belt from Strikeforce, Pride, Shark Fights, Affliction, Bellator or any other fucking promotion you can think of....absolutely fucking nothing. So I guess if I could wish one thing for fighters like "The Reem" is to stop feeling so entitled and just do what you're good at...fight....and in the end if you are as good as we all know you are, then the next generation of fighters can bitch about not getting "Alister Money".

@ArmFarmer

I will remind that Fedor has defended his titles, far more times than any recent UFC titleholders.

Tell me this.

Based on the rankings of top 25 UFC heavyweights where do you (or anyone) see Fedor being slotted if the UFC was to sign him today - regardless of a win or loss against Hendo?

I was originally picking henderson all the way, expected him to dominate.. But now im not so sure. Looks like fedor is in shape and motivated.. But im still gonna go with henderson. Even though fedor is praised for fighting bigger guys i think thats what gave him his edge. He was faster and more technical than his opponents.. Heavyweights in mma and wrestling tend to be a lower caliber of talent overall imo. I mean.. Sylvia held ufc gold twice.
To fritobandito.. If you had read the original article you would understand. I had to read it several times to make sense of it. Its been edited.. It was really bad.

@ArmFarmer

Sure, as you say any debate should wait until after the big brawl. BTW who are you picking to win the fight, Fedor or Hendo? Personally they both get a thumbs up from me, but I want to see Fedor not retire. As "Me_likey" says, the game has evolved, and I was dismayed that he fell to the arm bar. As for the weight differences I believe all his fights have been at heavyweight, surely he could move down as suggestive from his Bigfoot loss, but there is nothing wrong with being smaller with only 3 losses to his name out of 31 fights - IMHO.

I have been saying it,, this guy is afraid to lose,,, he loves his statis and he is doing exactly what you all are suspecting he is,, we are never going to see him fight anyone in the UFC MARK MY WORDS,,,I also believe the time is going to come when he will be forced to fight Silva because Silva will win the tournament, and MARK THESE WORDS ALSO,,,, HE WILL NOT FIGHT SILVA EITHER... he is going to push this boxing issue and also hide inside K1 I believe that his MMA days as a world top heavyweight are over !!!!! BELIEVE IT!~!!!!!!

It's obvious what Overdone is ducking, he's ducking wrestling and BJJ. Those are his weaknesses. He's primarily a striker. He did not BEAT Werdum he avoided him. Hell he avoided him for three rounds. He avoided the ground game and hell he even avoided the striking. Antonio Silva would have gotten him in a clinch and forced it to the ground, fight over.

By the way, I hated Mrs. Charman's High School English Class. This is a forum for MMA news and comment. I read it for content, not for punctuation and spelling. I welcome your comments on MMA and MMA fighters thou I may dissagree. I think comments about High School English should be addressed to the management.

We might as well wait til after saturday for this debate. I think if he loses to hendo in anything other than a close decision, he will probably just retire.

i see validity to both armfarmer and xenophon's arguments. what clinches it for me is the fact that in his day royce gracie was a dominant champion too. now he can't even get on a card in his own country. for good reason too. he has aged and the game has evolved. fedor is however still young and has the ability to make a huge comeback. i don't see him having a chance at doing it at heavyweight though. he has to go to 205 for a chance at becoming relevant again.

Also, while I understand that things were different years ago, his wins by todays standards aren't even impressive. Guys like Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski, Coleman, Cro Cop.. all of these guys that he's beaten are, by todays standards, cans. He needs to beat someone the caliber of overeem, carwin, dos santos, lesnar, or cain to put himself back into the spotlight. I know he's accomplished a lot, but as of now he is yesterdays news.

Supreme catch of the decade? Fedor is virtually worthless to the ufc now.. what are you smoking? I see your points, but those do not translate into value for ufc. As far as the ufc is concerned, fedor is an undersized heavyweight that most people have never even heard of who is coming off of two consecutive humiliating defeats. Value to the ufc means "will a large percentage of people pay to watch this guy fight?", and while fedor may be a draw for us.. you have to keep in mind that the majority of ufc's fan base consists of drunken frat boys that don't know the difference between a guillotine and a triangle choke.. and are unaware that mma exists outside of ufc.

@SumDumGuy

I am unsure of of the 3-2 reference you made regarding Fedor. I see his record standing as 31-3. I think the loss to Werdum was a matter of getting caught - it happens.
As for the loss to Bigfoot, it may have a been a safe stoppage, but I will forever wonder what would have happened if the 3rd round had been allowed to happen? All of Fedor's 3 round performances have always been wins.

If we use your numbers (5 fights) for Fedor, we get this:

Loss - A. Silva (StrikeForce)
Loss - Werdum (StrikeForce)
Win - Rogers (StrikeForce)
Win - Arlovski (Affliction)
Win - T. Silva (Affliction)

After this Fedor carries 28 nearly consecutive wins. Whats impressive, is that combined he has bested or floored Lindland, Hunt, Coleman, Crocop, A.R. Nogueria, Randleman, Herring, Schilt, Sobral, Arona and a few others.

One can dismiss some of Fedor's accomplishments but is often forgotten that he has dispatched with ease most all top ranked fighters he has stood up against, and done so consistently in the 1st round.

At the age of 34 years old, compared to a Couture (now 48 years old and with a record of 19-11) Fedor's 31-3 is supreme. I don't want to come across like I'm sucking Fedor's crank, but any fighter who carries win ratio better than 10:1 and who has dominated the best from: Pride, BODog, M1, Yarennoka (GRIN), StrikeForce, and many UFC champions now dethroned yet easily dispatched by Fedor mean's he is still the supreme catch of the decade for the UFC.

Come on, the fucking mans nickname is is the "Last Emperor" he's earned it, and he still has whats most important to the money grubber collective of the Fajita boys, Dwight, and their Arab brethren...people like him (even if critical), they want to see him fight, and he sells tickets! Isn't that what really matters most, making sure Dana White can drive dick-little sports cars?

Overeem vs Badr Hari K-1 rules, make it happen.

It's a joke, Fedor has losses to his name because he fights anyone put in front of him. Overeem has ducked Antonio Silva it is obvious...

I would like to congratulate ant farmer for commenting on the actual story finally. He's not only just here for grammar and spell checks guys....

thining-thinking edit button

naive? thining that overeem isn't using ped's is naive. He weighed in at 224 against Buentello back in November, 2007. He was 242 against Mirko in November 2008. He weighed in at 254 3 months later. 30 pds of muscle in 13 months? he also gained all that muscle while competing in japan. drug testing there is virtually nonexistant.
i am not saying a person can't put on muscle but it is going to take an extended amount of time. gsp said it would take him over a year to put on enough weight to start fighting at 185. that is only 15 pound weight difference.
as far as testing for his last fight and being clean. you can cycle off and clean out your system. you will notice he was 15 pounds lighter his first fight being tested.

I mean, Overeem did hold onto strikeforce's heavyweight title for like 3 years without defending it once, and he's got a history of can crushing and fighting outside of the states, so I can see why people get tired of his bouncing around. I would love for ufc to sign him so that he'd be put against the best in the world and not have the freedom to crush cans in dream whenever he feels like it.

Really guys? He let you down? He's dodging something? You guys are astonishing! I hear forming our own opinions based off of logic and reason might create some sense of knowledge on the subject. How surprised I wasn't when I read people getting all Emotional about how he let you down. That's pushing it into the whole "I can't live without you" zone aka the creeper zone. I find it disgusting that we're always bringing up the elusive Drug test with Overeem because of how he's already been tested as recent as his last fight and didn't pop for anything. I think you all bring the gavel down a bit to hard on the Reem. Everyone in Strikeforce is aloud to compete in outside leagues I mean come on don't be naive. Nick Diaz was going to compete in a boxing match against Jeff Lacey, Shinya Aoki competes in the Japanese Circuit still so why can't Overeem? He does hold a world title or three. He might even have a guinness world record. So next time we talk about the Reem remember he is just a guy we love to watch fight so just let him do his thing. Did you honestly expect that tournament to go off without a hitch? That would be insanely naive.

Whenever I think the writing in a CP article sucks, I just read the comments and suddenly I feel much better.

I can't say I care very much about Overeem. I enjoyed watching him in K1 and his destruction of Rogers was impressive at the time. But really, that's it. He's done nothing to make me think he deserves to be in the Top 5 HWs in the world, borderline Top 10 at best. I predicted Big Foot beating him and winning the whole thing anyway.

If his fights, whether K1 or can-crushing MMA, keep getting put on HDNet, I will keep watching them. But if he never comes to the UFC, I'm not going to get stressed out about it. It wouldn't be close to the level of disappointment I felt when the UFC failed to snag Fedor.

How much does job as a Cage Potato reporter/writer/blogger pay? Would it be worth quitting my current job?

i like watching the reem fight.. but this move just reinforces my belief that he doesnt want to fight the other huge names in MMA that are in the ufc. and after watching that last segment of borderline gay porn vs. the buttdropper lay on his back and come mount me. this points to the reem only wanting to crush cans.
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thats my story and im sticking to it.

I gotta say, ArmFarmer's last two comments have closed the book on this one.

Things are so much simpler under the UFC's dictatorship style of management.

Your story sucks. You are a hater. HATE! I HATE ALL! rrgggghhhhhh!!! lol. i love how people get in arguments on here. anyway.
of course overeem would be fighting in october. that is when his cycle was on schedule to fight. he has to schedule his fights at the end of a cycle when he will be clean.

My personal opinion, instead of taking constructive criticism so personally and getting butt hurt about it maybe you guys should listen to it and respond accordingly. It's no secret this site has been going downhill for a long time, and you have an excellent source of feedback in the comments section. Everything that's turning people off to this site is brought up here, but it's either ignored or responded to in a hostile manner. I actually commended you guys for the captcha initially because it showed that you were making some effort to fix a problem, but it's obviously not working for it's intended purpose so.. why is it still here? I know you can delete comments because you've deleted mine many times, so why can't you just go through and delete the spammers as you see them? As for writing issues, if you don't want to hear us bitch then proof read your own work and the work of your colleagues. Help edit each others articles to avoid the run on sentences and constant typos and mistakes. What irritates me is that the problems with this site are obvious and not that hard to fix, but you refuse to listen to feedback from your readers. That's just the way I see it, but I guess I should just shut the fuck up and continue getting "served" and "suka niga dik or sumtin".

How have I been "served"? If anything, I think the fact that this article now has 3 times more punctuation than it did before our comments indicates that we were right and that cp knows we were right. It still sucks, btw.
Mike Russel.. resume? Are you implying that the author of this article actually has a degree in journalism, English, or something of that nature? He needs to get a fucking refund...

Zuffa should just cut his overrated ass.
If he wants to live out his career in the minor leagues, let him. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out Overeem!

I've got cagepotato's back. That's where I stand. Potatonation baby. I've been a loyal reader but lately these small haters have been posting their hate comments. Which are directed at the writers. If they can do better, leave and do it.

I can kinda understand MRuss' comment especially if he wrote this article, but DangadaDang should shut the fuck up cuz his couple articles have been pretty weak... not to mention you guys are both talking shit to readers of CP while you're both writers/representation of CP..... stupid. And Perpatraitor you're retarded and a total fucking hypocrite! You say A LOT of dumb shit and you're calling ArmFarmer (and possibly HighAss) a hater for posting they're opinion then because you disagree with them you hate on them too... doesn't that also make you a hater? Just an observation.

Also: they don't care bout roids in Moscow...

Wait seriously whoever wrote this needs to correct the following:

"however it’s unclear whether or not he is still under contract with Strikeforce since he is no longer in the tournament"

What? Uh Dana said immediately after the GP cut was announced, "he's under contract, he'll get another fight".

Didn't u read that?

@xwnophon why would the UFC want to sign a 3-2 fighter in Fedor?

Antfarmer got fuckin served again! Go hate somewhere else. Or hate something other than the site itself. Your here reading and commenting an awful lot btw. Sandos son! Sandos!

The reem may do as he pleases by the way. He owns Japanese mma and European kickboxing. If anyone can make major money outside of the UFC, it is him. Noone has international power like the reem. UFC can sandos lol.

No glory hole for me, thank you.

I say Overeem is going to do a rematch with Todd Duffee! xD haha.. no but seriously. I think the Reem is a tough tough fighter but he is obviously ducking something.. whether it be Silva or testing issues with the state athletic commission. If it is Silva.. I could see why, dudes not human.. to be that utterly big and have technique and no when to use it.. unheard of! hes got an illustrious career ahead of him IMO.

The Reem Saying that he doesnt want anymore losses in his career is understandable if it means ducking a top 10-15 HW fighter then that's what he has to do. It would be cool to see the Reem take on Mirko but really who is there for him?.. Monson, or Semmy maybe? Cant wait to find out!

Once again the UFC is blowing-it yet again with another one of the biggest names in MMA. Sure no one wants to see Reem fight lesser names, but look at it this way. Fluffa signed Kimbo. I actually thought Kimbo did well in his last fight - considering he was still a rookie. Yet, you want me to believe the Jajita Bros. minion(s) can't make it happen with Reem. It's called---Bullshit.

I'm sure there are some other names to add to this List such as Fedor where again the UFC acted as if they tried. Hendo also got a raw deal - although from the get go it was suspected that Hendo was surreptitiously implanted into Strikeforce pre-merger. Re-watch the interviews, Hendo always new he would be returning to the UFC - as he soon will.

The fact is Dwight can make it happen - its what the fans want to see, and if his bald ass is so dedicated to MMA, I challenge his phony ass to sell one of those prissy-ass cars he has in his collection find the extra dough to bring the fans the best talent.

Of course he won't step up to the plate....Besides the non-stop smack talking, it's now time for the Bald Father to be pushed out of the role as Chief Executive, and be given a desk that sits in-between to other flunkies. Aerial Helwani to the Left, and Chocolate Al to the right.

I like Overeem and Moussasi, but I'm tired of them taking these bullshit fights outside the country against nobodies. At this stage in his career Overeem should be only taking fights against top ten competition.

Haha Russ just served you up some.

@ArmFarmer & HighAss: Send your resume and writing samples to tips@cagepotato.com.

I am high, but that writting was horrid.

Was this written by a 3rd grader, or am I just that high?

@WalksInTheDarkness..........WORD......i always back up the reem in arguments over heavy weight mma fighter..but reem is letting me down HARD

Unless Overeem's fight Sergei, he's fighting a can. I'm a big fan and long time supporter of the Reem but this is looking very foolish. It's looking a little like he ducked Antonio Silva and a lot like he's not interested in fighting any seriously good heavy weight mixed martial artists. If he was taking a K1 fight, I could understand that too, as at least he'd look like he was cementing his standing as the number one K1 super heavy weight.