(When in doubt, knock him out: Fedor Emelianenko proved his status as the best in the world with his KO of Andrei Arlovski at Affliction’s "Day of Reckoning" event last month.)
Ah, the pound-for-pound list — one of the most infuriating traditions in MMA punditry. Our sport has a wealth of dominant champions and brilliant contenders, but who would win an epic, all-inclusive grand prix, if every fighter (somehow, theoretically) were the same size? To put it as simply as possible, who is the most talented mixed martial artist in the world? And by what combination of win streaks, titles, victories over top-ranked opponents, and ability to finish fights does one measure "talent"? All good questions, dear reader. The list below is our effort to define MMA’s absolute top ten list, as things stand now in February 2009. Read on, and let us know how you feel in the comments section…
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1: Fedor Emelianenko (29-1, 1 no contest)
Some might argue that naming a heavyweight as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world sort of misses the point of the exercise. But at an even six feet tall (and a somewhat doughy 230 pounds), Emelianenko has never relied on size to win fights, and has beaten considerably larger opponents his entire career. Between his devastating punches and virtually undefendable armlocks, the Last Emperor can end a fight anywhere, at any time. And since the only loss on his record was due to a technicality — a cut stoppage due to an illegal elbow 17 seconds into a fight against Tsuyoshi Kohsaka, which he later avenged — Fedor has developed an aura of invincibility that has psyched out opponents before they even step into the ring with him.
But hey, maybe he really is invincible. Even when a fighter manages to briefly put Emelianenko in a bad spot (see esp. Kazuyuki Fujita in 2003, Mark Coleman in 2004, Andrei Arlovski in 2009), his tremendous instincts always rescue him from danger; Fedor on auto-pilot is better than most fighters on their best night. If he can put away a couple more top-ten heavyweights before he retires (while avoiding losses), his status as the greatest fighter of all time will be non-debatable.
2: Georges St. Pierre (18-2)
GSP’s demolition of BJ Penn at Matt Serra raised some questions about his chin and mental fortitude. With a little luck — and some more of his unstoppable wrestling — St. Pierre will continue to answer those questions in 2009.
Why he’s below Fedor: It’s possible that GSP is merely human. If he can have a bad day against Matt Serra, he can certainly have another one against an even better fighter in the future.
3: Anderson Silva (23-4)
Last year, everyone was calling this guy the best P4P fighter in the world by a wide margin. So what happened? Well, Fedor and GSP stayed busy whipping top-ten opponents, while the Spider was booked in two embarrassing mismatches – with a third slated for April. It’s not his fault that he reigns high above the rest of the competition in the UFC’s middleweight division. But he’s achieved all that can realistically be achieved there, and with retirement a possibility next year, his legacy may depend on super-fights against champions in other weight classes. Still, the 8-0 path of destruction that he’s carved in the Octagon is one of the most dominant runs in MMA history, and has firmly secured his spot as a future Hall of Famer.
Why he’s below Georges: A lack of recent accomplishments, period. It has nothing to do with his abilities, which are truly astounding.
4: Miguel Torres (35-1; 48-1 including unsanctioned fights)
Honing his ferocious skills at small, often undocumented shows in Indiana, Miguel Torres entered the WEC in 2007 carrying bantamweight titles from the Total Fight Challenge and Ironheart Crown leagues, and an intimidating official record of 31-1. Though the WEC was supposed to represent a much higher level of competition for the Carlson Gracie protégé, Torres has sliced through everyone who’s been put in front of him, collecting the WEC’s 135-pound belt after choking out Chase Beebe, then defending it twice against Yoshiro Maeda and Manny Tapia. Torres is now on a 16-fight win streak; his last eleven wins have been by stoppage, including a first-round submission win over Ryan Ackerman, which avenged his only career loss. Few fighters can guarantee excitement every time they step into a cage, but Miguel is one of them. Now all he needs is a worthy challenger.
Why he’s below Anderson: Even though he’s been kicking people’s asses for over nine years, Torres has only been beating elite-level fighters for one year. His list of wins over champions and top contenders isn’t nearly as long as the Spider’s yet.
5: Rashad Evans (13-0-1)
Since winning the second season of The Ultimate Fighter as a heavyweight, Rashad Evans has evolved from a fighter who relied a bit too heavily on his wrestling background — and somehow managed to be a showboat and boring at the same time — to the UFC light-heavyweight division’s most explosive knockout artist. His unforgettable KO of Chuck Liddell at UFC 88 was career-altering for both fighters, and he did to Forrest Griffin in three rounds what Quinton Jackson wasn’t able to do in five — beat his ass into submission. Sure, the judges have made him sweat at times (Sugar’s gone the distance five times in the UFC, never once winning a unanimous decision), but nobody’s found a way to beat him yet, and figuring Evans out will only get harder as his game continues to develop and become more well-rounded.
Why he’s below Miguel: Rashad has only recently become a well-rounded fight-finisher, and he’s still one or two wins away from being the kind of unstoppable force in his weight class that Torres is.
6: BJ Penn (13-5-1)
Not to harp on the same point, but BJ Penn’s lopsided loss to GSP in January wasn’t so much a judgment on the Prodigy’s abilities as an indication that lightweight is the only weight class he should really be competing at. Penn is a fantastic 155-pounder — the best in the world, in fact. His jiu-jitsu is legendary, and yet it’s his powerful hands that have earned him the most acclaim in the UFC. He hasn’t quite cleaned out his division (no matter what he might think), but his last three wins at lightweight — against Jens Pulver, Joe Stevenson, and Sean Sherk — were so one-sided that it’s hard to imagine any 155’er giving him problems. The belt is his as long as he’s motivated to keep it.
Why he’s below Rashad: Penn makes the list due to raw talent level, but his last three wins have been his only wins at lightweight since 2003. Evans’s recent body of work at light-heavyweight is more extensive and impressive.
7: Lyoto Machida (14-0)
As his brother Chinzo observed, Lyoto Machida will only attack when he knows his strike will land. Don’t ask us how he could possibly know that. (Magic?) But in his undefeated MMA career — and particularly in the UFC, where he’s never lost so much as a single round — the top light-heavyweight contender has made his opponents look like slow, awkward children trying to play a big boy’s game. He’s the first mixed martial artist to take elements of traditional karate (particularly the foot-sweeps and emphasis on interception) and make them effective in a cage-fight. He also has a habit of never taking damage, ever. If you value quick finishes above flawless technique, the Dragon is probably not your favorite fighter. Though as he demonstrated against Thiago Silva last month, he will knock a motherfucker out when the opportunity presents itself. What’s not to love?
Why he’s below BJ: He doesn’t have Penn’s finishing ability, and he hasn’t won a title yet — something that Penn has done in two different weight classes.
8: Urijah Faber (22-2)
The original WEC poster boy has thrilled MMA fans with his breakneck-paced kamikaze style, which mixes a tenacious wrestling background with aggressive submissions and unpredictable striking. After five-straight featherweight title defenses, it seemed like the California Kid would be on top forever, but an upset loss to Mike Brown in November demonstrated that Faber’s crowd-pleasingly high-risk attacks can occasionally get too risky. (Throwing a blind reverse elbow can get you knocked out sometimes, apparently.) But that seems to be the only weakness in his game, and if he can rein in his more wild-ass urges he’ll surely reclaim his belt and hold it for another impressive stretch.
Why he’s below Lyoto: Faber hasn’t beaten anybody not named Jens Pulver since December 2007, and beating Jens Pulver isn’t as impressive as it used to be.
9: Shinya Aoki (19-3, 1 no contest)
With his vast arsenal of creative submissions and an equally vast wardrobe of multi-colored tights, the “Tobikan Judan” really is the most entertaining grappler in MMA. Aoki knows you don’t want to go to the ground with him, and he doesn’t care. He’ll hop on your back, pounce into a flying guard-pull, even butt-scoot chase you around the ring; he’s not above any of it. Of course, that only emphasizes the fact that the standup game is not his strong suit, and his loss to Joachim Hansen at last year’s DREAM lightweight grand prix final showed that he can be overwhelmed by an aggressive striker, particularly when he’s already gassed from another fight earlier in the evening. But Aoki has run through a who’s-who of lightweights in Japan, and if we’re ranking fighters based on talent level (which is what this is, pretty much), there’s no way we can leave out the current WAMMA lightweight champ.
Why he’s below Urijah: Though Aoki is a buzzsaw on the ground, he’s not a threat from every position in the way that the California Kid is; Urijah has nasty submissions and dangerous striking.
10: Thiago Alves (16-3)
The UFC welterweight division’s #1 contender has defeated three consecutive top-ten-ranked 170-pounders in his last three appearances (Karo Parisyan, Matt Hughes, and Josh Koscheck), and none of those fights were even close. Only Georges St. Pierre and Miguel Torres can make the same claim, putting the Pitbull among very good company. Known for his devastating Muay Thai, Alves might possess the sharpest standup in the UFC after Anderson Silva, and is a far better striker that anybody Georges St. Pierre — who has made his name shutting down grapplers — has ever faced. Maybe it’ll be enough to earn the American Top Team young lion an upset victory when he meets GSP later this year.
Why he’s below Shinya: He hasn’t won a title yet. And would it kill him to wear some crazy tights once in a while?
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Comments
Thu, 02/12/09 - 05:46
heavyweights suck
Thu, 02/12/09 - 05:48
Damn, Kid Yamamoto gets held down by the man again.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 05:53
So does your mam!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 05:56
Very solid list, nice work. As invincible as GSP is right now, he better stay on his toes against Alves.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:01
Rashad does not belong on this list... sorry but he has only beat Forrest & Chuck... he couldnt put away Tito and struggled with Bisping... People DOGGED this guy since TUF for being boring and having nothing but lay and pray.... he comes out and KO Chuck and beat Forrest (both fights he was losing) and now everyone is on his nuts.... gimme a break. So many better fighters could be in his spot... Hell Lyoto have beaten much better fighters and is undefeted too... he should be higher than Rashad...
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:07
I see your point about GSP being busier than Silva but man, that's a hard one to call IMO. The fact that Silva's been even more dominant than GSP in his fights. I'd say that that fact that he only lost 1 round (to Henderson) since coming to the UFC should make The Spider an easy #2.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:08
I just have a hard time seeing a hw as the number 1 pfp just because that division is filled with uncoordinated, flabby, slow fighters. Look at it this way... the ufc is the biggest and baddest organization in the world and yet a guy with 3 pro fights holds the hw title. Before that a guy that should be at 205 had the title, but he probably likes hw because he agrees with me that even though they are big most of them are slow and shity. Speaking of which, the guy that had the title before him (timay).. slow and shity. Anyone that exhibits a little bit of athletisism is automatically looked at as the next big thing at hw. Guys like Brock, Carwin, Val. ect. come in and after just a couple fights they are all of the sudden expected to be champs. Honestly I think if Andre wasn't a dumbass and didn't like getting knocked out so much he would have taken it to fedor.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:09
I'm gotta agree with Mayhem on this.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:17
Gsp will be destroyed by Alves if he decides to stand.(Which is highly not going to happen since he is afraid to stand with BJ and Serra and he fights like the old Tito.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:19
huh don't know how that duplicate sentence got in there... oh well you get the point.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:21
At least shoguns shitty ass is nowhere to be seen on the list. Not impressed with that guy at all.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:21
nvm i guess i just read the same sentence twice I'm just retarded lol
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:26
Why am I not on this list? Freakin idiots!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:27
Putting GSP above Silva is just weird. Silva doesn't just win fights, he wins them all, no matter who he's fighting before the second round. Remember the celebration they threw for Cote at the 3rd round bell? Remember, the utter astonishment that a person had finally lived in the cage with Anderson long enough to see the third round? He obliterated Dan Henderson. By far, one of the best and most experienced fighters in the world today. The Dan Henderson that held two Pride belts and went 5 rounds with Rampage. Silva beat him up and choked him. He made Nate Marquart, three time King of Pancrase, look like a frightened child. If Thiago Alves gets to the third round with GSP will there be utter astonishment? No. Because GSP, while deserving of being on the list, isn't the assassin that Anderson is. You just wrong for 'dat.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:44
People keep putting GSP below Silva because he lost to Serra after catching a lucky punch but we forget that Silva lost to Chonan via flying sissor heel hook...a one in a million desperation move that to most is a joke because it is so easily defended. People keep harping on the fact that Anderson has cleared out his division. Outside of Henderson and Franklin who has he beat on this "run" of his. GSP has beat Penn, Huges, Fitch, Koschek and the list goes on. Does anyone think that GSP would have even the slightest difficulty in destroying Cote? I like Anderson but cleaning out the weakest division in the UFC does not compare to dominating the shark tank that is the welter weight division.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:46
Dear god CP this list is perfect! I agree with it almost 100% and even when I didn't, after reading the little description I couldn't think of a reason not to. Good job and Kudos. Finally someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to P4P. To Jugger - GSP has more wins over top opponents, he did it in a shorter time span, and he has less losses. Dominating your opponents is NOT as important as who those opponents are and should only be taken into consideration if both the fighters you are looking at have more or less defeated the same number of top ranked opponents. A. Silva isn't quite up there with Fedor and GSP yet in terms of the quality of competition. Hendo is was a huge win but so was CroCop and Fitch for Fedor and GSP respectively. Franklin (x2) were a huge wins but so were Nog (x2) and Hughes (x2) for Fedor and GSP respectively. You will find if I continue in this matter I will run out wins over highly ranked opponents for A. Silva before I do with Fedor or GSP.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:55
well....i agree for the most part. i dugg you too. I dont like rashad evans bein up there, but he does deserve it. can you believe the list? a few years ago and you woulda got LIT UP on sherdog or the UG if you even would have suggested half these guys would be p4p best. its just a bit surprising, but i guess its justified.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:59
I agree with the farmer of arms. HW needs another year or two to develop its new cream of the crop. I think there are a lot of potential dominant champs out there that just need more experience (cain) . Also who knows maybe just maybe Carwin and Lesnar might become the next Randy within a couple of years. Sure they will lose a few more times but as they develop their skills they could become very dominant in HW for a few years.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:02
Frank Mir can disarm most bat wielding men that counts for p4p points
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:03
Wtf how come BJ is 6 and Machida is 7? Machida has beaten BJ Penn and is still undefeated, bullshit list anyways Anderson Silva is the greatest fighter. I do agree he needs to be put up against some better fighters though.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:05
This is the best P4P list i've seen. You gave the great arguments for each individual. Well done!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:17
Bj penn is ahead of Machida because he has defended and kicked everyones ass in his division over and over. With only Florian remaining as the last hope to shut his big mouth up, its doubtful he'll lose at 155 again. Machida on the other hand hasnt won the belt yet and still hasnt faced the TOP opponents at 205. Im not saying he won't beat them (I dont see Wandy, Rampage or Evans for that matter winning), but it hasn't happened yet. Im sure in a year or two Machida will move up a couple spots atleast.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:17
great list by the way. Very informative and dead on.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:18
"the Spider was booked in two embarrassing mismatches" ?????? Fighting the second best fighter in his division is embarrassing? Moving up and weight class and demolishing a bigger natural fighter in one minute is embarrassing?? Silva is legit and he has proved over and over again, any fighter that ends up fighting him pays for it. I'm not sure if you can say the same about "Greasy St. Pierre". The loss to Matt Serra should raise a ton of questions about him; Fighting BJ Penn who fights at 155 and taking four rounds to beat him cements him as better p4p than Silva??. Sorry pal I think you got this one WRONG!. 1. Fedor Emilianenko (Only because of what he did to Arlovski) 2. The Spider ( Domination ) 3. Miguel Torres ( Skills )
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:19
Pretty solid list with good reasoning. Theres not much there that I can argue with except for Rashad Evans. Solid reasoning to have him on the list; I too believe that he has really turned a corner in his career, but I would probably place him between Faber and Aoki. Personally, I think the P4P idea is a little useless, but it is a fun evaluation. But when I looked at your reasoning for the listings, I saw how hard it is to objectively put one of these lists together. For example, I tried to come up with some other fighters that might make the top 10 or 15. One of my favs came to mind: Jake Shields. On the one hand, he is the former Shooto Middleweight champ, current EliteXC Welterweight champ and current Rumble On The Rocks Welterweight champ. He's on an 11 fight win streak, hasn't taken a loss since 2004 and holds an impressive 22 wins - 4 loss record. Sounds good, right? But on the other hand, 10 of his victories have been by decision (that's almost half!), 4 of his last 11 wins have been by decision (in fact, 4 in a row) and though he's beaten some serious competitors (Hayato Sakurai, Akira Kikuchi, Carlos Condit, Yushin Okami) he hasn't gone up against anything like the level of competition in the UFC Welterweight division. So I guess my point is: Good job on the list Ben. Several fighters are listed that I wouldn't have immediately thought of, but I can't argue with most of your reasoning. ...and I wanna see Jake Shields fight in the UFC. Shields vs Serra - BRING IT ON!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:24
Probably the most comprehensive list I have seen yet. I agree with you throughout, nice work...It is hard to leave rampage out of the list, but as things stand at this point I think it is valid that he isn't featured. Love the fact that you put Aoki in there because he is one of the most underated guys out there and doesn't feature in too many P4P lists, but definately deserves a spot. Also I agree with Torres, he is very close to Anderson Silva in terms of dominanting a division.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:25
Yes armfarmer, guys like Cropcop, Nog, Coleman, AA, Randleman, etc... were all "slow and flabby" when Fedor fought them *rolls eyes*
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:30
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Anderson Silva the best P4P fighter? Are you special needs>? Hes beaten NOBODY! Like literally the worst fighters Fedor fought could hang with Silva. Most could even eat him. You are the worst. haha oh god.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:30
i like the list Bens. i didn't forsee alves cracking it, but i don't really disagree. there are other fighters that i think deserve to be on there over him, but i can't really argue for them much. also, how the fuck do digg stories get picked up by power users? i just dugg the story and it's only got 10 diggs so far. that sucks. CP readers, digg the shit out of any CP story and if you don't have a digg account, make one right now.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:35
You guys are fucking high. Anderson Silva over GSP is a no brainer.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:43
You kinda answered your own question with your statement about Patrick Cote. The fact that The Spider couldn't finish Cote before the 3rd round.... or at all, is reason enough to put him below GSP. GSP just shut down one the other best P4P fighters in BJ Penn. Call me crazy but i don't think we'll ever see Cote on a P4P list.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:45
Get Rashad off that list... now. What the fuck is wrong with you? KO'ed Sean Salmon (wooo!), basically lost to Tito, struggled against a 185er in Bisping, landed a lucky 1/100 powershot on Chuck, beat an EXTREMELY over-rated Forrest (out pointed Rampage, beat a gassed/injured Rua). Machida > Rashad .. Rampage > Rashad ... He is not holding the belt for even one title defense. His days are numbered.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:51
Alves also suffers from the occasional problem of being 4lbs off weight.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 07:58
@ Roughouse As controversial as it seems, I gotta admit that I think the Ben's are right. By the way, I'd LOVE to see a GSP vs Anderson Silva SuperFight. That needs to happen...preferably at MiddleWeight.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:07
wait wait wait WHERE'S KIMBO??? hahaha
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:12
Alves should not be on this list.....He barely makes weight for any of his fights, and since when does beating Karo make you a P4P best?? He beat and old Matt Hughes, and who is Koshcheck again?? Alves is not a P4P best, I gaurantee that Jon Fitch would kick the crap out of Alves, and make weight for the fight beforehand.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:18
first of all your retards essentially. this list is for all time greatest fighters.. rashad evans shouldnt even be on this list. hes not proven yet. i agree with the top three and theres not enough fighters in miguels division to really classify him. he needs to fight kid or move up and fight faber. i think bas rutten should be on the list and maybe even chuck liddell. i know he hasnt done much lately but he was a beast 3 or 4 years ago in his prime.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:19
Anderson Silva #3?!?!?! He moved up in weight and beats every #1 contender at the MW division and is #3????? GSP greases up like ot do to my love AJ he is #2. Fedor's last 2 fights are against top opponents (well 1, Tim is not really a top 10 fighter). WHat more does Anderson have to do? And stop talking about a super fight with Anderson and GSP. You and i know GSP will die in the right. Not even close to being a fair match up.. AJ I LOVE YOU...YOUR MY COCK SUCKER!!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:22
I was ok with the list until I got to Shinya Aoki, then I burst out laughing. No fucking way Ben, no fucking way. Here's how it goes: 1. Fedor Emelianenko - Nobody can even come close to his accomplishments. His 7th devastion of a former UFC champion last month just made him even moreso the best fighter in the world. 2. Anderson Silva - The spider has the best striking in MMA. He's on another planet in the clinch. He's behind Fedor because Fedor is a better wrestler and groundfighter, and hasn't been as dominant for as long. 3. Georges St. Pierre - GSP dominates one of the toughest divisions in MMA with the best wrestling wrestling in the sport and just an impressive all around game in general. He's behind Anderson because he lacks the killer instinct to finish fights, and doesn't really have KO power. 4. Miguel Torres - Miguel "The Itsy Bitsy Spider" Torres is every bit as devasting of a striker as papa spider, and just as crafty on the ground. Now that Torres is in the spotlight, I predict that he will climb higher on the p4p with more one sided victories. Torres could be #1 if his wins were over more notable competition. 5. Rashad Evans - Once you've got the guys above out of the way it's time to start ranking the regular human beings. Rashad has climbed to the top of the most stacked division in the sport, and that pretty much gets you in the top 5 p4p automatically. He hasn't achieved killing machine status yet however, and is thus behind the afformentioned 4. 6. Quinton Jackson - Rampage was considered one of the best p4p until his "loss" to Forrest. Most people somehow forgot to give him his love back after he beat Wanderlei. Rampage is behind Rashad because Rashad has the belt. 7. Lyoto Machida - Could very well get the title and keep it a long time. 5, 6, and 7 are basically a 3 way tie, but if I had to rank them that's how I would do it. 8. Thiago Alves - Being the #2 contender at 170 should get you on this list automatically. If people are saying you're a legit threat the GSP, then you're pretty damn good. The sharks in the welterweight tank aren't equipped with frickin' lazer beams so Alves comes in right after the 3 way tie at the top of 205. 9. Urijah Faber - Urijah is a beast. His loss to Mike Brown knocked him down a few notches, but his 2nd victory over Pulver solidified him in the top 10. He'll creep back up the list if he keeps winning. 10. DAN FUCKING HENDERSON - Dan gets no love on the p4p and that's just asinine. He's one of the greatest that ever lived. He just tooled Palhares and Franklin. He kicked the Spider's ass for a whole round, nobody's done that in years. I think dirty Dan, the #2 middleweight in world, fits quite nicely in the 10 spot. ___ 11. BJ Penn - Fuck Bj Penn.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:23
What about one of the greatest of all time, STEVE NELMARK??? This list is so F'n fixed it makes me sick. Steve Nelmark would CRUSH Fedor.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:29
Yes armfarmer, guys like Cropcop, Nog, Coleman, AA, Randleman, etc... were all "slow and flabby" when Fedor fought them *rolls eyes* Randleman and Coleman suck, Crocop sucks, Nog is one dimentional and has looked very unimpressive sense his move to ufc, AA has what it takes to beat fedor he's just a dumbass with a glass jaw. Now that I think about it, every fighter on that list is extremely one dimensional except for AA who I think can beat Fedor if he could stick to a safe gameplan.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:29
"Alves is not a P4P best, I gaurantee that Jon Fitch would kick the crap out of Alves, and make weight for the fight beforehand." You have an uncanny ability to see into the futur.. wait.. past.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:31
I was looking at ESPN"s top ten, and they have Forrest Griffin at #7 what's with the stiff? They are the world wide leader in sports, get on the same page Ben.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:32
Forrest Griffin blows, that's why.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:34
when talking about fedor and bad positions- never ever ever forget the kevin randelman belly to back slam that landed fedor on this head! that was sick
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:36
Let's see GSP move up to 185 and beat someone like Damian Maia, Chris Leben or Jason McDonald in a minute or less. Could he do it? Nope. However, Anderson moves up to 205 and beats a very dangerous James Irvin at 1:01 in the first round and everybody says, "Meh." Going into that fight many thought that Irvin's Muay Thai striking would match up well with Silva and at least make for a interesting match. Sorry... just more total destruction from Silva. GSP has to work so hard to get his wins. Silva just does his little "ballet of violence" and utterly decimates people like Rich (twice), Hendo, and Marquart. And let's admit that he was toying with Cote to give the fans and extra round or two and it backfired on him. GSP is great. I love him, but he doesn't have Anderson's ability to finish with breathtaking violence. We're saying a guy who lost to Serra (recently), and couldn't put Fitch, Koscheck or BJ (first meeting) away deserves to be HIGHER in the PNP list than a guy who hasn't had a loss LET ALONE A DECISION since 2004. Okay.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:37
@ OBI... You don't think a fight between Silva and GSP would end much in the same way as GSP vs Penn... only in reverse for GSP?
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:39
So now we all know.... ...emptyhandkiller is really Steve Nelmark. I suspected as much. http:// www. metacafe.com/watch/348093/pride_tank_abaott_vs_steve_nelmark_mix_fight/
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:42
Gina's tits > Fedor
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:43
@ Fedor a million ankles Good call on Henderson! ...I knew someone was missing. Yeah, "Decision Dan" doesn't get much respect lately, but his fighs against Palhares and Franklin were both excellent. His defense against Palhares' jiu jitsu was like a freakin' clinic. Top notch stuff.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:44
Thiago Alves isn't a top 10 P4P fighter you dumb asses. I'd fuck him in the ass at some gay night club that's straight friendly.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:47
Man I hate P4P lists. Urijah Faber should be in the top 5 of anyones list. His KO loss to Brown was on the same fluke level as Serra's over GSP. Urijah has destroyed a division and almost single handedly held his organizations fan base (so much so that with Miguel Torres coming in they cut all classes above Fabers) He will get his strap back and continue to dominate GSP style for a long time.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:49
Wheres Kid Yamamoto, Tito Ortiz, Cung Le and Josh Thomson fuck faces? I would also add Gina Carano's Tits to a best pound for pound list.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:57
cosign MMA Junkie Entertaining list altogether. 1. Fedor. Just because he's Fedor. No one has put TIM SYLVIA away like Fedor. No one has completely dominated in every sense of the word. PERIOD. Yeah a hw as pound for pound is contradictory but on an off fight he put Arvloski to sleep, notwithstanding Andrei's incredibly suspect chin. And you got it right, he's a considerably small pudgy heavyweight. 2. Anderson Silva. Period. Pound for Pound whether it is 185 or 205, he will cause many problems for his opponents. Dan Henderson, Matt Lindland were touted as the two great fighters with a strong wrestling background that can give Silva problems on the floor. Not to mention Henderson's strong KO power. I guess we will see how effective Thales Leites BJJ skills fare against Silva's MMA skills. 3. GSP You guys are stuck on the UFC-94 high. GSP last fights - - 4 rounds to put away the LW champ who weighed in at 168lbs. - Jon Fitch to a decision. GREAT FIGHT. 1st successful title defense. - Matt Hughes. He beat him twice already. And BJ Penn beat Hughes when it really meant something to beat Matt Hughes. OK, I'll give GSP credit for his first victory over Hughes. - Matt Serra(?) ^Rault - GSP level of competition??? You're kidding me. RASHAD EVANS made the list!?!!! I'm laughing!! As you can see, everybody has their own take and definition on the criteria for P4P but my question is how many of these competitors successfully compete at two different weight classes. Dan Henderson champion at both LHW and MW.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:10
Silva's game has improved tremendously since the loss to Chonan at Shockwave 04. He also was coming off of a decent layoff into that fight (8 months I believe). But the Piranha was taking it to Silva and didn't pull the flying scissor lock out of desperation. Chonan was actually looking dangerous and possibly better. I like GSP a lot, but I think given the way most of Silva's fights don't last longer than a couple of rounds - I'd have to give it to Silva over GSP. The other side is that GSP does dominate but the finish sometimes comes from the other guy quitting. That may be viewed as a better thing though. There's plenty of fight left in most guys that are flash-KO'd or TKO stopped a little earlier than they felt was appropriate. But you don't see any more fight left in the fighters GSP has stopped. He made BJ quit between rounds and later BJ said that there wasn't really any damage (on his site). Why the quit? Because he was getting pounded and knew he didn't have what it was going to take to beat GSP.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:16
@Fedor a million ankles #10 Hendo??? He struggled vs Franklin and he layed on Anderson for 1 round, only to get rocked and choked out in the next round.... after he gassed... which he admitted... sorry but if you gas during a title fight you dont belong here. Maybe years ago yes, but not now no way...
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:22
Pretty Solid list. I would still switch Anderson and Fedor. Also, i have a problem with Faber being on the list, especially that high, when he isn't even the champion in his division.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:25
Thiago Alves was submitted by Spencer Fischer. 'Nuff said. Rampage and Kid over Alves and Rashad.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:29
I think Cung Le should be on the list simply for shutting Shamrocks mouth for us all ! Also. I don't think just because someone that is up and coming, talented and just won the belt (Evans) should be on her. Just like Griffen all of the sudden was on the list when he won it from Page. Let the new Champs defend a few times then gradually move them up. I mean should Brock be on the list just because he is the champ? No he shouldn't . Evans isn't far from the list if he can defend at least twice, then put him towards the bottom. If he starts beating everyone and holds his belt 5-6 times then , yes he should be right where you put him.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:32
To anyone who thinks Faber should not be in there: MMA fans and pundits are in agreement that, unlike boxing, one loss does not kill a career. How hypocritical are we, then, if we say that Faber does not belong on a top 10 P4P list because he lost a fight to Mike Brown? He was not dominated or out-classed, but rather he got caught. That fight does not mean that he is now any worse than he was before. And once he gets the belt back, that will not mean that he is suddenly better than he was prior to that. And, Bens, is it not correct that he made 18 title defenses, not 5? During a WEC show, Frank Mir said that he won the title when he was 3-1.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:34
i think lyoto should definitely be above rashad......
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:36
GSP has so much talent on the feet, which makes it that much more dissapointing to see him turning more and more into a one dimensional G and P fighter.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:39
My Fight Wiffa Cheeto Says: @ OBI... "You don't think a fight between Silva and GSP would end much in the same way as GSP vs Penn... only in reverse for GSP?" Actually, no I don't. Here's why: 1.) GSP's striking is red hot. If they stand and bang, GSP will be tough on Silva. silva's the better striker, but GSP is no slouch. 2.) GSP's wrestling and takedowns are top notch. And THATS the key to beating Silva. Ya gotta get him on the ground. Go back and watch Lutter vs A. Silva. Lutter was winning that fight on the ground. He almost had Silva. I'm not saying Spider doesn't have a ground game, he sure does, but he's a better striker than a ground fighter. Standing up is his comfort zone. I think GSP can get him to the mat and smother his ass with his wrestling and "jew-jif-shoes" ala Penn and Serra. 3.) Anderson is great. One of the best EVAH! But man o' man, GSP has taken his game up to a whole new level in the past year. He's the total package (*pause*). In a lot of ways, Silva and GSP are very similar: good chins, athletic, great ground game, phenominal striking and very technical fighters. I think it would be a good match up. The only thing I go back and forth on is what weight to fight at? Silva walks around at 210+. GSP? I don't know what his walkin'-around-weight is, but I would guess close to 200. If GSP moves up in weight, it might slow him down. We already know that Anderson is like lightining at 180.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:47
goos list but i would have to put Mir on there in place of rashad.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 09:51
FEDOR RULES!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:02
@ Jugger Well put, I agree with everything.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:25
@ Drewplata I think faber was on a 13 fight win streak when he lost to Brown. His last loss was sometime is 2005 against Tyson Griffin.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:31
Are you f*cking high! Rashad Evans #5!!! Dont tell me your a fanboy of this dickhead. To mock Forrest who is the Classiest fighter I have seen since Rich or A.Silva, is just an asshole move. He WAS losing those fights to a much more skilled fighter, he just pulled a Serra and landed a good punch to a guy with a weak chin, good for f*cking you man. If and I mean IF he can beat Machida, Jackson and another actual contender than maybe i'll give the showboating douche some props. Beating Tito doesnt mean much these days anyway.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:32
Is it just me or does anyone else think Fedor needs to fight someone better than Arlovski and Sylvia to be #1?? Maybe he should fight Lesnar or Couture or Mir? Don't get me wrong, he is bad-ass, i just think he needs to fight tougher guys than these, with the possiblity of Barnett later this year.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:34
It's too bad Miguel Torres is only 135. Prob won't make great money if he stays there. He is one of my favorites and i would love to see him fight Nate Diaz.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:35
Fedor didn't face any real competition for years and yet never budged from peoples top p4p ranking. Silva RUNS out of top competition and its enough to drop him 2 places? Smoking crack much?
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:35
OK Armfarmboy. Yes, MANY heavyweights are flabby and uncoordinated. But AA didn't look flabby or uncoordinated to me in that last fight. Barnett doesn't look like a guy who orders the super-sized double quarter-pounder meal either. Then there are Lesnar, Herring, Gonzaga, Mir, Nog... none of them doughy or uncoordinated. Look back at some of the wins from Fedor's early days. Coleman was a beast when they fought. Randalman was a powerhouse, Cro-cop... If you want to let your personal distaste for heavyweights cloud your judgment that's fine. But If you want to convince anyone that you're right you'll need to come up with better arguments. I picture you as the guy in the rubber sweatsuit standing on your head and spitting into a cup before the high school wrestling weigh-ins while your team's heavyweight was eating candy bars in front of his locker. And yes, I was that heavyweight!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:36
"But the Piranha was taking it to Silva and didn't pull the flying scissor lock out of desperation. Chonan was actually looking dangerous and possibly better." really?? Type "anderson silva heel hook" into youtube and watch the first vid. Josh Barnett quote from that vid "he was peppering and tearing chonnan apart, I mean he wasn't brutalizing him, but there was no way chonnan was ever in that fight at any point in time". I haven't seen the full fight but from the clips they show in the vid it looks like Barnett had it right.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:36
OK Armfarmboy. Yes, MANY heavyweights are flabby and uncoordinated. But AA didn't look flabby or uncoordinated to me in that last fight. Barnett doesn't look like a guy who orders the super-sized double quarter-pounder meal either. Then there are Lesnar, Herring, Gonzaga, Mir, Nog... none of them doughy or uncoordinated. Look back at some of the wins from Fedor's early days. Coleman was a beast when they fought. Randalman was a powerhouse, Cro-cop... If you want to let your personal distaste for heavyweights cloud your judgment that's fine. But If you want to convince anyone that you're right you'll need to come up with better arguments. I picture you as the guy in the rubber sweatsuit standing on your head and spitting into a cup before the high school wrestling weigh-ins while your team's heavyweight was eating candy bars in front of his locker. And yes, I was that heavyweight!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:39
hillbilly, we dont need echos in here buddy.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:42
"I picture you as the guy in the rubber sweatsuit standing on your head and spitting into a cup before the high school wrestling weigh-ins while your team's heavyweight was eating candy bars in front of his locker." I never wore a rubber suit.. other than that pretty spot on. We had a heavyweight that had to gorge himself to make the minimum limit. Needless to say he got hated on a lot. In his defense though it didn't look like he enjoyed it one bit. "Then there are Lesnar, Herring, Gonzaga, Mir, Nog... none of them doughy or uncoordinated." Herring blows, Fedor hasn't beaten gonzaga, mir, or lesnar, and I already said I think AA could take him. I think Mir or Lesnar would be good fights for Fedor, I actually like Mir a lot because he's one of the few big guys that's in great shape and has great agility. I don't think that ALL heavywieghts suck, I just think the talent level is far lower in general at heavyweight in mma and in wrestling. There are some really talented and agile heavyweights though and I appreciate watching their fights.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:43
@ Obi-wan You make some good points about the GSP vs. Anderson matchup, but I still think papa spider would pwn GSP. GSP doesn't have the best chin in the world, and Anderson is going to be hitting it a lot whether GSP likes it or not. GSP takes a very long time beating down his opponents, and I don't think his face will hold up long enough for him to play his game against Anderson. In addition, GSP has been able to manhandle even the top calibur wrestlers at 170 largely due to his freakish muscularity and endurance. One of GSP's biggest strengths is his strength. Take that away and he's nowhere as good of a fighter. If he managed to take Anderson down without getting kneed in the face Anderson would just put him in a body triangle and *tah-dah* GSP is nullified. No side control = no win for GSP. I think that in time, GSP should put on some muscle and move up to the middleweight division full-time. I think that once gets up to a natural weight of like 205-215 he could really give Anderson some problems. But then again, as Joe Rogan put it: "The scariest thing about George St. Pierre is that he keeps getting better." And it is that alone that keeps me from being fully confident that Thiago Alves is going to K him TFO.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:44
@ OBI... There in lies the rub. *pause* Can GSP at an unnatural fighting weight keep his speed and timing down to strike with Silva? GSP is only 5'10" while Silva is 6'2" with a definite reach advantage. While I agree you have to beat Silva but taking him down and smothering him, I just can't see GSP man-handling him like that for 3-5 rounds. Silva's limbs in his jits is insane, again looking at the Lutter fight, while Lutter had him in full mount, Silva still escaped it, get back up and strike til the bell. Then in the next round allowed for the takedown and worked his "jew-jif-shoes" to triangle and elbow the fuck out of Lutter's non-making weight ass. I just agree with the notion that we saw from the last fight the bigger, stronger champion is going to dominate the weaker one. And with Silva's pinpoint laser like striking I just don't see GSP getting a takedown at free will. Frankly, I see him getting KTFO. Don't get me wrong, I think we'll see it eventually and the hype will be insane, but remember this also, The Spider isn't the Prodigy. He's not going to vacay in Kona. *pause* He's not going to talk a bunch of shit he can't back up. You've heard his interviews, he wants to fight some more of the best and then retire. This fight qualifies. He's going to work just as hard as GSP if not harder.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 10:54
Why not have Faber come up to 155 and fight Bj's big shit-talking ass? Go KenFlo!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:03
This P4P list is pityful. Why fuck is Rashad on it? He beat Chuck and Forrest - impressive, but not P4P worthy. Also, GSP is a greaser and should not be no. 2.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:08
This is prob the most satisfied i have ever been with a P4P list even with the addition of Alves. I saw that at first and cringed but when I thought about the whole thing it makes sense. Its not about if your fav fighter is on there its who stastistacally the best.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:25
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN ANDERSON FIGHT OFF HIS BACK?? . . . Lutter Marquardt Henderson
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:31
OK fools just keep ignoring facts. FACT - GSP has beaten almost twice as many fighters ranked #10 or higher in his weight class than A. Silva. FACT - GSP has half as many losses. How the fuck can you just ignore these facts and say A. Silva deserves to be ranked higher?!?! Less wins against top competition and more losses and yet he is somehow suppose to be ranked higher?!?! I don't understand! Look at their last couple of fights: GSP - Dominates the #2 WW in the world. Dominates the #1 LW in the world and a P4P top 10 fighter. A. Silva - Dominates unranked LHW. Fights an unranked MW until he injures himself in the third round. I mean, why is this even an argument?
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:42
I read that as "I mean, is there even an argument?" because I'm a dumbass... hence replying yes, his name is matt serra. Would have been funny if it made any sense...
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:47
"I mean, why is this even an argument?" Yes, and his name is Matt Serra.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:50
Tell you what Rault, if Thales Lietes comes in and destroys Anderson Silva, causing him to tap from strikes at 3 minutes in the first round... I'll agree with you that GSP should be ranked above Anderson.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:50
Shinya Aoki get this fucker off the top ten plz.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 11:52
@ armfarmer Dude, WTF are you talkin' about?
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:08
Well, Ben, your article has convinced me. You brought up some very good points. #1 - Fedor - once the UFC94 euphoria wore off... obvious choice #2 - GSP - ... but not so much that a move up for this man wasn't warranted. For those bitching about the greasing thing... calling him guilty w/o a trial, are we? #3 - Anderson - The level of competition hasn't been outstanding, but he beat a guy who is amazing in the discipline that he is weakest to. That win over Hendo still counts for a WHOLE lot. #4 - Torres - I notice no one is arguing AGAINST him being placed here, and with damned good reason. #5 - Evans - You try and grab your balls and blow a kiss in a fight with the world champ and not get knocked the fuck out for doing so. Rashad did, AND he's still unbeaten.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:10
Rault asked why there is any argument that gsp should not be ranked higher than silva. I thought he said "is there any argument", to which I replied.. "yes, and his name is matt serra". But he said "why is there any argument", not "is there any argument", rendering my post useless and retarded.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:11
Get it obi? Moral of the story is.. I'm an idiot.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:13
It was a perfect counter punch to his dumbass reverse elbow. It was no fluke.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:14
Why is there an argument? Yes... I understand now.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:21
How is Urijah Faber on there? Mike Thomas Brown exposed Faber's huge but weak butt chin and he is deserving to be on, no Faber.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:22
Senor Goldstein, I agree with everything on your list, except for #10. Jon Fitch, baby. You know the last guy to tie Anderson's (and Royce's) 8-fight Octagon win streak? And also the last man to defeat Thiago Alves. Sure GSP handed him his ass, but that doesn't erase how Jon had earned that fight, nor does it erase his out-wrestling and out-grappling Diego Sanchez. Sure, Sanchez had already lost to Koscheck at that point, but the one time that Diego and Josh grappled, Kos was reversed quickly and easily, with Sanchez gaining solid back-control as the horn sounded. I went into some detail here to show that I am not nit-picking, but rather thinking that the evidence supports Fitch over Alves.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:33
i disagree with everything on here, and if you agree with me, i would have to disagree with you.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 12:54
One of the best p4p lists I've seen, well done
Thu, 02/12/09 - 01:29
@ armfarmer Got it. Welcome to the Idiot Club. I've been a charter member for several years...
Thu, 02/12/09 - 02:21
Jugger - "Tell you what Rault, if Thales Lietes comes in and destroys Anderson Silva, causing him to tap from strikes at 3 minutes in the first round... I'll agree with you that GSP should be ranked above Anderson" hahaha so there you go again just ignore facts and still believing A. Silva should be ranked higher than GSP for no apparent reason at all. Funny you should bring up GSP's loss to Serra when A. Silva got flying fucking heel hooked by Ryo Chonan. What is the difference between both of these quite embarrassing losses? GSP has avenged his loss (in fact he has avenged both his losses) while A. Silva has not avenged that loss nor any of his other losses. Again, any reasonable person can look at the simple facts and see that GSP deserves to be ranked higher than A. Silva.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 02:26
Ummm... Didn't Seth Petruzelli Beat Kimbo Slice? I Think We Need A Handicap Fight. As In All These P4Pers Vs. Seth Petruzelli. Just Saying If Kimbo Took A Quick Dive I Don't See Them Winning.
Thu, 02/12/09 - 02:28
After looking at Shinya Aoki's pic, I see that Nick and Nate Diaz's dad made a stopover in Japan!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 02:37
O.K., who's the genius that made these rankings? First, Fedor isn't #1. Yes he is the best heavyweight, but does'nt take the "king of MMA" status. Anderson Silva #1, GSP #2, then Fedor at #3. Fedor has faught nobody's and has-been's,(the only good opp. were Arlovski and Minotauro), and he struggled with them. Anderson has easily dismantled all of the challengers to his title, even Henderson & Franklin with ease. DOES ANYONE AGREE WITH ME????!!!
Thu, 02/12/09 - 02:44
"the Prodigy???" knows what hes talking about. silva is awesome but his opponents are from the weakest divi in ufc..
Thu, 02/12/09 - 03:28
How can you omit Henderson? He actually competes @ different weights successful only losing to the 2 best in their class in Silvia and Rampage. Henderson could realistically compete from 185-205 pounds with most people ..might have difficulty fighting @ 170 but I think @ a catchment weight of 180 he could compete with pierre..wrestling topnotch .. standup top notch..hard as fcuk..good sub defences. JUst for the record I think florian will beat bj...will that put him on the list
Thu, 02/12/09 - 04:04
no Rampage?
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:56
Are you kidding?!?!?!! GSP better than Silva?? How? Because he stayed busy?? (I don't see KOS on that list, he invented busy!!) Lets just put it this way, after all the GSP fights, someone is always calling him out, everyone wants a shot at GSP. Even 15 pound lighter BJ Penn thought he can take him. and Greasy has a loss to SERRA for crying out loud!! that should be reason enough to take anyone off a P4P list. BG you screwed this one up! sorry pal. and then you wonder why sherdog has more page views. :)
Thu, 02/12/09 - 06:58
Thiago Alves? Are you stupid Cagepotato?
Thu, 02/12/09 - 08:55
I'm still laughing about Shinya Aoki being in the top 10, with Quinton Jackson nowhere to be found. Look Ben I know how you love Aoki's tiny rainbow clad nuts, but Aoki hasn't done SHIT, EVER, to ANYONE. He wears fucking GRIPPY PANTS and people act like he's some jiu-jitsu god. With all this talk lately about how much friction plays a factor in an effective guard, you'd think people would notice that Shinya couldn't do shit without his magical pants. 5 posts about Warmachine was pretty lame but then you go and insult the lightweight division with this bullshit. Why don't you just add him to the hall of fame t-shirts if you love him so much. You could even make the shirts pink. The only thing Aoki has going for him in the pound for pound department is his entrance music. BAKA SAH VYE VAH!
Fri, 02/13/09 - 06:55
why does lyoto look like he has sand paper skin?
Fri, 02/13/09 - 11:24
The list is great, but Rashad, come on. Do you think Rashad can beat Hendo, or even some of the little guys (GSP, Alves). He is not P4P caliper, I'm sorry CP, you are wrong.
Fri, 02/13/09 - 03:42
MMA Junkie said, ""the Spider was booked in two embarrassing mismatches" ?????? Fighting the second best fighter in his division is embarrassing? Well dude, consider this: what the fuck was Patrick Cote doing in there going for the title? Seriously - either UFC management was huffing hard on the crack pipe that morning, OR they wanted to start generating momentum for St. Pierre vs. Penn by bringing attention to another French Canadian. Specifically, the only other French Canadian in the UFC. Think about it - they get all the UFC fans watching a French Canadian going for the championship. Stop right there - they have just established the common theme they want rolling around in the fans' heads and kept it there until the GSP, the true target of the campaign, had what was supposed to be a superfight vs. Penn. Meanwhile, the UFC matchmaker has validated the whole event by having one of the most exciting and legendary fighters ever headliningn it. Yeah, Cote is a capital CHUMP, but Silva was able to carry the main event responsibility all on his own. It's all about investing in the future. As for Lutter, fuck him and his flabby ass. If he ever figures out that cardio is a significant factor he might go somewhere, but by the time he does he'll be 53 and mostly retarded for having gotten hit in the head so much.
Sat, 02/14/09 - 09:21
ginas tits should def. be on the list lol............ but get rashad evans out the top 10 rampage will knock his ass out DA 41 LE
Sat, 02/14/09 - 09:28
WHERES CHUCK NORIS -----JK BUT EVANS DOES SUCK
Tue, 02/17/09 - 01:07
tito ortiz.... are you serious hes a chump now. Fedor doesnt impress me either he was losing to arlovski who in my mind is well past his prime and he needs to jump into the ufc and fight before ill give 2 shits about his record.
Wed, 02/18/09 - 05:59
Wheres the love for KIMBO
Wed, 02/18/09 - 08:23
Cung Le is one of the top 10 fighters in the world.
Wed, 03/04/09 - 12:34
Even though I`m a huge g.s.p fan i would see him in third place but just because anderson silva finishes fighters like dan h,nate m,rich franklin etc...G.s.p is more well rounded even though his striking isnt as devastating as andersons. G.s.p is pure muscle and talent he deseves to be on that list just 4 pulling off a flying jab. rashad evans has had a good year but he has not been tested enough yet and when he was by tito he was lucky that tito lost a point 4 grabbing the fence. except 4 that the list is pretty much understandable
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:38
I agree 100%. Rashad does not belong here. Lyoto is the best fighter in the light heavyweight. I cant wait for Rampage and Lyoto to fight. Because Rampage is going to walk all over Rashad! KO first round
Thu, 03/12/09 - 12:46
Although I respect your opinion ,there is no fighter in MMA that has destroyed top notch competition like GSP. His wins have come by submission ,knockout, and decisions. He has not only won his last 15 rounds in the octogan....but has scores 6 10-8 rounds and demolished every top challeger. Fedor and Anderson have hardly faced MMA legends. The fact that GSP demolished hall of famers Matt Hughes and BJ Penn twice speaks volumes. At 27 , he's also far from reaching his potential.All these posts predicted that Hughes,Fitch, Penn and now Alves and Silva will KO GSP. I seriously he will lose a single round to Alves or Silva at a catch weight....but what do I know. Nobody mentions Silva's 4 mma loses of the fact he can't wrestle because they started following the sport a couple years ago.
Sat, 03/28/09 - 09:27
I like this p4p list, but i think Machida will move up eventually to 4th or 5th spot.
Mon, 04/27/09 - 08:22
Tue, 04/28/09 - 08:14
Tito are u serious Titos a bitch wouldn't even box dana white he doesn't belong in the UFC
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