Yeah, i don't think Penn appreciated some of the comments Kilmeade made, or the whole "i'm going to take off my jacket and spar this professional fighter--how hard can it be?" vibe.

I dont think we've ever seen him do that before.

And I highly doubt the fox friend was tough enough to take bj somewhere he didn't want to go so you've got a point there IMO.

robthom>> yes, i saw that. I find it interesting. I also find it interesting that BJ went for North-South--not something we usually see from him. Almost like he did it on purpose....

Ummm, is anybody else watching the Daily show right now?

Apparently bj wasn't to sick to go on fox and friends this morning a teabag a nazi.

@RwilsonR, Word

IMMEDIATE REMATCH?!!!

Hasn't BJ Penn been given enough undeserved title shots in his career:

-lost to Pulver for LW title, then given a title shot against Caol Uno after a lackluster performance against Matt Serra
-failed to win two title shots he was given at LW, and then given immediate shot at Hughes' WW title without a single fight at 170
-comes back to UFC, loses to GSP, and given another title shot at Hughes' belt
-loses to Hughes and GSP at WW, drops down to LW and beats a clearly over-the-hill Pulver, and given immediate shot at LW title.
-completes a SINGLE title defense at LW for the first time in his career against Sherk (could be argued this was really the first fight for the belt, because of Sherk's situation), and is then given an immediate shot at the WW belt, which he loses to GSP in embarrassing fashion

So, after a career of being given unearned title shots they should just give BJ an immediate rematch? I personally think he is the best LW in the world, and would probably win the rematch, but he certainly lost the fight against Edgar, and he should have to work his way back up. BJ has been handed far too many gifts already in his career.

@Skinnybiggs, how long was it before St. Pierre got his "immediate" rematch. Yeah ummmm 377 days later. Why do people keep using that as a rebuttal? I'm sure there are other great arguments, but that isn't one of them.

I'm not one for fighters making excuses, but there is no way in hell you go from the BJ Penn that we saw against Sanchez in December to what we saw this past weekend unless something is seriously off. Maybe the guy was sick.

Not quite the robbery we saw with Machida Rua, and not deserving of an immediate rematch. Let Maynard have a shot, then give BJ the winner after that, keep 155 interesting for another 6 months before BJ takes it back and continues to clean out the division for another 2 years.

@ Doc Martin,

Have to agree with those sentiments 100% and theres really no refuting what you stated there, like I said in 1st post, unless he has a Championship Clause in his contract, there really is NO need for an immediate rematch, lots of other fights for both guys, an at least one fight before for Penn wouldnt hurt...Also Dr. Martin is one damn fine Boot(s)!!! 1st pair of expensive boots bought(waayyy back when :p)
I actually do see Penn getting the immediate rematch though tbh, seems the way the Zuffa umbrella seems to spread.

Can we all stop talking about the GSP rematch with Serra? IT WAS TWO FIGHTS LATER.....

I despise BJ, but I'm actually okay with an immediate rematch. Set up Florian-Maynard as a #1 contender's fight in the meantime, and give the winner whoever has the belt after Edgar-Penn II. Besides, it gives Frankie a chance to build name recognition and solidify himself the way Mike Brown did after his second fight against Urijah Faber.

That said, I'm okay with Penn working his way back up, too. I'm just not sure who he fights next if that's the case. I assume we'd see Edgar-Maynard for the belt, but who do BJ and Kenny fight? I'm not interested in Penn-Florian II unless it has to happen because one has the belt and the other is the #1 contender.

I think a more reasonable question was WHY was there not more of a questioning of the judging.

the obvious answer was Silva grabbed all the media and we all forgot that this was a badly judged fight. unless fights really are won with only the 5th round on score cards than no way edgar won that fight, no way. A more reasonable way to avoid this is make the scoring public thru a fight and tell a fighter if they have to come out fighting at the end to steal one. but once entered score sticks. no erasers mid fight.

Machida koed evans and shogun kicked and ran kicked and ran and expected to take the belt home, he couldnt do much esle soo he really thought he deserved that alot of people thought soo too on the assumption leg kicks were points but those ones weren't , Penn will take the title in devastating fashion and will retire the belt. I believe he had more then a sinus infection , bummed knee and too those people "well its only a sinus infection he could fight like the last Penn" considering a sinus infection impairs the breathing and thus prevents muscle tissue from stretching and growing thus the amount of time he had it impacted his workouts YOU all could visibly see that wasn't Bjpenn that DEMOLISHED Sanchez, its not like a shoulder were you may not make certain motions , it impairs all aspects of training , like if you can all dignify GSP and his rematch at home lol he barely held the belt , and you cant agree and see eye to eye with this i feel sad for you as a MMA fan , branch out like them all and look at the skill set matchups intead of personalities you might end up enjoying the sport alot more.

Ohh man you guys are sheep the UFC feeds there poster boys too, no one ?ed GSP and his immediate rematch and not only a rematch but fighting in his hometown Montreal, not after loosing a decesion but by loosing from strikes to the head he tapped. People cry well it was fluke punch , it wasnt a fluke punch every fighter goes in there with the intention to hit and hit as hard as possible. It was GSPs weak standup strike defense thats why GSP and Silva will be the end of all the GSP hype besides that . Bj is more then well deserving of a title rematch , he has been defending his title the last 3 years more then any other belt holder and that speaks VOLUMES. If Lesnar gets KOed by Carwin in lightning speed there will be a immediate rematch its not that uncommon for a new champ having to prove himself again, and lets be honest folks if you scorecard the fight BJ clearly won the first 3 , Frankie kept side stepping away going backwards sure he moved well but if your going to take a title KO or SUBMIT the champ, no decisions thats the worse way to win its like cheating urself, your fighting a champ you should take him out or dont accept the belt cause you leave too much open for the possibility of a rematch. Sure BJpenn may have attitude of some sort but who are any of you as if you walk around all holy and never once spoke out of your ass or without thought, Frankie won but beat a 60% Penn lol really nothing worth bragging and wait he took the title home from decesion , this had REMATCH FROM THE GECKO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Lesnar is the most disrespectful fighter in MMA silva dances lesnar flips people the bird and swears at them after winning , such sportsmanship for a first class doucebag GO CARWIN GO end his career

I AGREE WITH DOC, HIS RESUME IS AWFUL
espec with a draw to caol uno
BJ STOP BEING A BITCH AND WEARING GLASSES CAUSE YOUR FACE IS FUCKED UP
PUSSY

BJ's latest run in the UFC has been wins against Jens Pulver, Joe Stevenson, Sean Sherk, demolished by GSP out of his weight, then wins against Kenny Florian,then Diego Sanchez before he got beat by Edgar. He didn't have a long run of title defenses, and he didn't clean out the division before losing his belt. I think the legend of BJ is stronger than the resume of BJ. No immediate rematch. Edgar won a tough match, and he deserved the decision. If UFC is looking for PPV, he can sell PPV without the strap whoever he fights next (it could even be at 170). It would make things more interesting if the UFC at least looked like they had a standard for who fights who for the belt.

8 years WTF? He hasn't even been the lightweight champion for 8 fights.

I do understand penn on one hand deserving an immediate rematch for being so dominant for so long.

Especially when you consider what a bastard silva has been and that penn has been going in there and whooping asses like he's supposed to.

But my problem is just that we'll be right back were we started. With penn looking to much better than everyone else and the LW's logjammed and without a story line.

penn may deserve an immediate rematch, but I think it would be better for him, for the weightclass and for the UFC if he didn't get one.

How is it fair? If he was sick he should have called off the match. If he wasn't he wasn't in shape.

I think BJ should completely destroy some lightweight in a non title fight before he gets a rematch.

I think he does deserve an automatic rematch, it's only fair. He would just blow through anyone on his way back up. He did look sick or something in my opinion, so hopefully it will be a better fight next time around.

This is lame. Penn should have to fight somebody and prove he deserves it.

Yet another case of Dana White showing special treatment to his champions to prove he has the best fighters.

idestroy>> nope, it wasn't liddell/couture either. superflat was close with serra/GSP: even though GSP had fights between title shots, serra fought GSP back to back.

Fight Metric does have BJ as the winner though 49-47 using a ten point must system so an immediate rematch makes sense.

Penn is probably the only UFC fighter who doesn't ever have to work much less fight, or cheat in the fight game. The dude comes from a wealthy family and already lives in paradise with his family, his daughter, and his Hot Baby Mama, surfing, living, and loving life. $800,000 I'm sure he's got that close to ten times over. Check your theory again if you think money motivated Bj to throw his fight against Frankie.

Yep. Don King, I mean Vince McMahon, I mean Dana White has had enough time now to realize Frankie Edgar won't make him quite as much money as BJ would. I'm sure the UFC's crack editing staff is hard at work right now adding CGI snot pouring out of BJ's nose for the replay on Spike.

133,545 (and growing) BJPenn.com members might disagree with you.

what? BJ Penn getting an undeserved title shot without having to fight ANY top contenders at all? Well Knock me over with a feather, I never would have figured the UFC would go along with that!

Who didn't think this would happen?


Wasn't it Chuck who got an immediate rematch after Coutore spanked him? I can't remember, but it seems that way looking back. Somebody look that up. I'm too lazy.

this might sound weird but i think penn should fight maynard and winner gets edgar

bj penn has been the lightweight champ for 8 years. He deserves an automatic rematch. Sure maynard and florian are up there for a shot but they never beat bj. Bj more then deserves an automatic rematch

I will add that the GSP example doesn't apply here. GSP lost his first title defense against Matt "mamaluke" Serra via TKO so it's not exactly the same situation. Nonetheless, I say no shot until at least another victory.

^^Agree with Charming Charlie. I'm no Baby Jay fan, but he deserves the right to immediately challenge.

Ok, so looks like:

KenFlo-Maynard

Baby Jay-Edgar

Tyson Griffin-Evan Dunham (scheduled @ UFC115)

For the top 10 lightweights in UFC the next few months.

That should answer some questions. Still have Jim Miller, Sherk, Sotiropoulos, and Pellegrino to work in there too.

Damn y'alls can't ya give Frankie just a little credit? The dude has beaten alot of good opponents, and he did just win the belt... Granted he is Mr. Decision, but I like the guy, and I give him a good chance against pretty much all of the contenders at 155. Pretty sure I was the only one on this planet that picked Frankie to beat Sherk.

I say do Maynard vs BJ. Maynard probably should get the next shot considering he currently holds the only victory against the champ, but I think Maynard vs BJ would be a good no.1 contender bout, and if Maynard loses then he can fight Florian.

And at some point, I want to see Sotiropopuluouopulus in the mix.

Yeah superflat GSP had two fights and about a year in between his two serra fights:

Loss Matt Serra TKO (Punches) UFC 69 - Shootout 4/7/2007 1 3:25
Win Josh Koscheck Decision (Unanimous) UFC 74 - Respect 8/25/2007 3 5:00
Win Matt Hughes Submission (Armbar) UFC 79 - Nemesis 12/29/2007 2 4:54
Win Matt Serra TKO (Knees to the Body) UFC 83 - Serra vs. St. Pierre II 4/19/2008 2 4:45

Well next time around, how about fuckin skipping judges all together and have them fight unlimited amount of rounds until we have a fuckin clearcut stoppage victory instead of this bag of dogshit thrown in our faces?

Let him earn his shot. He didn't look that interested in winning and I think he just got outworked. It was close (certainly not 45-50), but BJ didn't do anything to show me he wanted to keep that belt.

Also, the next time Renzo Gracie tells us to bet on a massive underdog in a title fight, I'm following his advice.

I still believe Penn put down $100,000 on a bet against himself and walked away super rich.... Why not when you know you can just win it back right away.

hey superflat.. gsp DID NOT get an immediate rematch... i believe he had 2 fights before a rematch with matt serra

GSP vs Serra remach didnt set a precedent as Hughes was originally supposed to fight Serra for the belt next but due to injury Serra was out and then GSP won interim belt in fight with Hughes

I don't care who BJ fights next as long as he decides to show up and fight. The Edgar fight was embarrassing. Even people that aren't fans of Penn can't look at the last 4 guys BJ has destroyed and say that he found at anything close to what he should have. I don't care if its Edgar or someone else, I just want to see him for for reals this time yo.

Just when I was starting to respect BJ for atleast putting in great performances in his title defenses, now he does this. Could he atleast have been humble and offered to fight a few undercard fights to build himself back up to title contention? Enough with this guy. I don't care if it is unpopular, just give Maynard the first title shot, the guy deserves it, even if he is boring. They have to build new stars at 155 sometime.

Should have to battle Maynard before we can discuss a rematch. BJ pumped Florian so that one's out of the question. They need to stop giving BJ pretty much whatever he wants. The man lost, make him earn the next shot.

I think when you've gone undefeated in a weight division for six years, and dominated the last three contenders, you get to skip the test fight an immediately challenge for the title. Especially since there is such confidence that the current title holder isn't going to keep it against anyone (thus no rematch occuring!).

A rematch makes the most sense, PPV-wise. What's more, GSP's rematch with Serra set a precedent for this sort of thing. However, we all know that if BJ wins Edgar won't get a rematch, which sucks for him.

This is the only time a bj vs maynard makes sense. I'm not stoked for any rematch. Bj's loss makes for some interesting match ups now.

Is that BJ or a Mr Potato Head P-diddy doll?

Unified Rules of Stockton - YES!

Nah, not a good idea.
Not immediately.

They need to put if off as long as possible just to keep things interesting.

I don't think there should be an immediate rematch.. it was close.. fight could have one either way... i thought right after round 5 that if edgar won it would be a split decision

In my mind, immediate rematches should only occur when there's a fight ending cut/accidental injury or when there is a gross error in either the officiating or the judging...

I don't think Penn warrants a rematch right away... there's maynard and florian who deserve a chance

Close fight + clueless judge = immediate rematch

"Nothing is set in stone yet, but the UFC wants the fight, and BJ wants the fight, and all of BJ's fans want the fight, so there you go."

All of BJ's fans? Aren't there 3 of them all together? Two of those are BJ himself and his over-inflated ego.

Well, like ALOT of (former) Champions, Penn probably has something in his contract that states an immediate title shot upon losing, good chance of it at least. Doesnt always makes sense, but alot of time it does have to do with Contracts an such...Would I care to see the rematch...Naaaah prolly not, about as much as I wanna see Silva/Maia again tbh...Whole card was a snooze fest save a couple fights.