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Penn vs. Edgar Rematch Already in the Works


While on a media tour promoting his new book Why I Fight, former (!) UFC lightweight champ BJ Penn took 18 seconds out of his day to announce that an immediate rematch with Frankie Edgar is in the works. Nothing is set in stone yet, but the UFC wants the fight, and BJ wants the fight, and all of BJ’s fans want the fight, so there you go.

Of course, this opens up a debate about whether BJ Penn deserves a chance to reclaim his belt right away. Immediate title rematches are a tricky thing. When Machida vs. Rua II was set up directly after their first meeting, it made sense because there was a general uproar about the decision unfairly going to Lyoto, who seemingly only won because leg kicks don’t count. But what can you really say about Penn vs. Edgar at UFC 112, other than it was a close fight that was difficult to score (particularly for the judges)? Edgar was never put in serious danger, and he would actually be the clear winner under the Unified Rules of Stockton, in which the loser is the guy who looks more fucked up afterwards, and the winner is the guy who was kicking more ass at the end.

BJ Penn is a more popular star than Frankie Edgar, so the UFC is using the "close fight" angle to try and get one of their golden boys back on his throne, rather than sending in Gray Maynard as Edgar’s first belt defense. (Admittedly, Edgar vs. Maynard sounds like pay-per-view poison.) Do you accept this as just part of the fight business, or should BJ have to knock off another contender first to prove that he’s still the same old killer, and his passionless performance last Saturday really was due to illness?

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ReX13- April 14, 2010 at 6:58 am
Yeah, i don't think Penn appreciated some of the comments Kilmeade made, or the whole "i'm going to take off my jacket and spar this professional fighter--how hard can it be?" vibe.
robthom- April 14, 2010 at 6:41 am
I dont think we've ever seen him do that before.

And I highly doubt the fox friend was tough enough to take bj somewhere he didn't want to go so you've got a point there IMO.
ReX13- April 14, 2010 at 5:10 am
robthom>> yes, i saw that. I find it interesting. I also find it interesting that BJ went for North-South--not something we usually see from him. Almost like he did it on purpose....
robthom- April 13, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Ummm, is anybody else watching the Daily show right now?

Apparently bj wasn't to sick to go on fox and friends this morning a teabag a nazi.
Doc Martin- April 13, 2010 at 5:55 pm
@RwilsonR, Word
RwilsonR- April 13, 2010 at 5:38 pm

Hasn't BJ Penn been given enough undeserved title shots in his career:

-lost to Pulver for LW title, then given a title shot against Caol Uno after a lackluster performance against Matt Serra
-failed to win two title shots he was given at LW, and then given immediate shot at Hughes' WW title without a single fight at 170
-comes back to UFC, loses to GSP, and given another title shot at Hughes' belt
-loses to Hughes and GSP at WW, drops down to LW and beats a clearly over-the-hill Pulver, and given immediate shot at LW title.
-completes a SINGLE title defense at LW for the first time in his career against Sherk (could be argued this was really the first fight for the belt, because of Sherk's situation), and is then given an immediate shot at the WW belt, which he loses to GSP in embarrassing fashion

So, after a career of being given unearned title shots they should just give BJ an immediate rematch? I personally think he is the best LW in the world, and would probably win the rematch, but he certainly lost the fight against Edgar, and he should have to work his way back up. BJ has been handed far too many gifts already in his career.
Doc Martin- April 13, 2010 at 5:18 pm
@Skinnybiggs, how long was it before St. Pierre got his "immediate" rematch. Yeah ummmm 377 days later. Why do people keep using that as a rebuttal? I'm sure there are other great arguments, but that isn't one of them.
csuders- April 13, 2010 at 5:05 pm
I'm not one for fighters making excuses, but there is no way in hell you go from the BJ Penn that we saw against Sanchez in December to what we saw this past weekend unless something is seriously off. Maybe the guy was sick.

Not quite the robbery we saw with Machida Rua, and not deserving of an immediate rematch. Let Maynard have a shot, then give BJ the winner after that, keep 155 interesting for another 6 months before BJ takes it back and continues to clean out the division for another 2 years.
Chiggs- April 13, 2010 at 4:51 pm
@ Doc Martin,

Have to agree with those sentiments 100% and theres really no refuting what you stated there, like I said in 1st post, unless he has a Championship Clause in his contract, there really is NO need for an immediate rematch, lots of other fights for both guys, an at least one fight before for Penn wouldnt hurt...Also Dr. Martin is one damn fine Boot(s)!!! 1st pair of expensive boots bought(waayyy back when :p)
I actually do see Penn getting the immediate rematch though tbh, seems the way the Zuffa umbrella seems to spread.
Almost North- April 13, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Can we all stop talking about the GSP rematch with Serra? IT WAS TWO FIGHTS LATER.....
stopdrinkingpee- April 13, 2010 at 3:49 pm
I despise BJ, but I'm actually okay with an immediate rematch. Set up Florian-Maynard as a #1 contender's fight in the meantime, and give the winner whoever has the belt after Edgar-Penn II. Besides, it gives Frankie a chance to build name recognition and solidify himself the way Mike Brown did after his second fight against Urijah Faber.

That said, I'm okay with Penn working his way back up, too. I'm just not sure who he fights next if that's the case. I assume we'd see Edgar-Maynard for the belt, but who do BJ and Kenny fight? I'm not interested in Penn-Florian II unless it has to happen because one has the belt and the other is the #1 contender.
ccman- April 13, 2010 at 3:34 pm
I think a more reasonable question was WHY was there not more of a questioning of the judging.

the obvious answer was Silva grabbed all the media and we all forgot that this was a badly judged fight. unless fights really are won with only the 5th round on score cards than no way edgar won that fight, no way. A more reasonable way to avoid this is make the scoring public thru a fight and tell a fighter if they have to come out fighting at the end to steal one. but once entered score sticks. no erasers mid fight.
skinnYBIGGS- April 13, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Machida koed evans and shogun kicked and ran kicked and ran and expected to take the belt home, he couldnt do much esle soo he really thought he deserved that alot of people thought soo too on the assumption leg kicks were points but those ones weren't , Penn will take the title in devastating fashion and will retire the belt. I believe he had more then a sinus infection , bummed knee and too those people "well its only a sinus infection he could fight like the last Penn" considering a sinus infection impairs the breathing and thus prevents muscle tissue from stretching and growing thus the amount of time he had it impacted his workouts YOU all could visibly see that wasn't Bjpenn that DEMOLISHED Sanchez, its not like a shoulder were you may not make certain motions , it impairs all aspects of training , like if you can all dignify GSP and his rematch at home lol he barely held the belt , and you cant agree and see eye to eye with this i feel sad for you as a MMA fan , branch out like them all and look at the skill set matchups intead of personalities you might end up enjoying the sport alot more.
skinnYBIGGS- April 13, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Ohh man you guys are sheep the UFC feeds there poster boys too, no one ?ed GSP and his immediate rematch and not only a rematch but fighting in his hometown Montreal, not after loosing a decesion but by loosing from strikes to the head he tapped. People cry well it was fluke punch , it wasnt a fluke punch every fighter goes in there with the intention to hit and hit as hard as possible. It was GSPs weak standup strike defense thats why GSP and Silva will be the end of all the GSP hype besides that . Bj is more then well deserving of a title rematch , he has been defending his title the last 3 years more then any other belt holder and that speaks VOLUMES. If Lesnar gets KOed by Carwin in lightning speed there will be a immediate rematch its not that uncommon for a new champ having to prove himself again, and lets be honest folks if you scorecard the fight BJ clearly won the first 3 , Frankie kept side stepping away going backwards sure he moved well but if your going to take a title KO or SUBMIT the champ, no decisions thats the worse way to win its like cheating urself, your fighting a champ you should take him out or dont accept the belt cause you leave too much open for the possibility of a rematch. Sure BJpenn may have attitude of some sort but who are any of you as if you walk around all holy and never once spoke out of your ass or without thought, Frankie won but beat a 60% Penn lol really nothing worth bragging and wait he took the title home from decesion , this had REMATCH FROM THE GECKO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Lesnar is the most disrespectful fighter in MMA silva dances lesnar flips people the bird and swears at them after winning , such sportsmanship for a first class doucebag GO CARWIN GO end his career
Emopinata- April 13, 2010 at 2:34 pm
espec with a draw to caol uno
Doc Martin- April 13, 2010 at 2:12 pm
BJ's latest run in the UFC has been wins against Jens Pulver, Joe Stevenson, Sean Sherk, demolished by GSP out of his weight, then wins against Kenny Florian,then Diego Sanchez before he got beat by Edgar. He didn't have a long run of title defenses, and he didn't clean out the division before losing his belt. I think the legend of BJ is stronger than the resume of BJ. No immediate rematch. Edgar won a tough match, and he deserved the decision. If UFC is looking for PPV, he can sell PPV without the strap whoever he fights next (it could even be at 170). It would make things more interesting if the UFC at least looked like they had a standard for who fights who for the belt.
Doc Martin- April 13, 2010 at 2:05 pm
8 years WTF? He hasn't even been the lightweight champion for 8 fights.
robthom- April 13, 2010 at 2:05 pm
I do understand penn on one hand deserving an immediate rematch for being so dominant for so long.

Especially when you consider what a bastard silva has been and that penn has been going in there and whooping asses like he's supposed to.

But my problem is just that we'll be right back were we started. With penn looking to much better than everyone else and the LW's logjammed and without a story line.

penn may deserve an immediate rematch, but I think it would be better for him, for the weightclass and for the UFC if he didn't get one.
LastEmperor- April 13, 2010 at 2:01 pm
How is it fair? If he was sick he should have called off the match. If he wasn't he wasn't in shape.

Newport434- April 13, 2010 at 2:01 pm
I think BJ should completely destroy some lightweight in a non title fight before he gets a rematch.
WandyAxeKick- April 13, 2010 at 1:50 pm
I think he does deserve an automatic rematch, it's only fair. He would just blow through anyone on his way back up. He did look sick or something in my opinion, so hopefully it will be a better fight next time around.
LastEmperor- April 13, 2010 at 1:48 pm
This is lame. Penn should have to fight somebody and prove he deserves it.

Yet another case of Dana White showing special treatment to his champions to prove he has the best fighters.
ReX13- April 13, 2010 at 1:42 pm
idestroy>> nope, it wasn't liddell/couture either. superflat was close with serra/GSP: even though GSP had fights between title shots, serra fought GSP back to back.
Asiankhang12345- April 13, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Fight Metric does have BJ as the winner though 49-47 using a ten point must system so an immediate rematch makes sense.
BuddyL- April 13, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Penn is probably the only UFC fighter who doesn't ever have to work much less fight, or cheat in the fight game. The dude comes from a wealthy family and already lives in paradise with his family, his daughter, and his Hot Baby Mama, surfing, living, and loving life. $800,000 I'm sure he's got that close to ten times over. Check your theory again if you think money motivated Bj to throw his fight against Frankie.