That’s why I shouldn’t post so early in the morning. Of course he made a bunch of cash in PPV shares!

*facepalm*

Hungover perhaps, but high I am not. Randy’s great payday against the Poopy Pantsed Mega-Varner came not from locker room bonuses, but ppv shares. It was something like 826k if I remember. Fightlinker posted a photo of his old contract a month or two back. Feel free to go look it up, it is fairly well documented. Also, didn’t he get like a 50k win bonus?

@Mistur Misanthropologist – I do love table tennis. I’m not sure it lends itself to intronet discussion too well though.

Randy Couture made 250k in disclosed salary, including win bonus, to fight PeePee Taste, not 1million. Did he make an extra 750k in ‘locker room’ bonuses or sponsorships? Maybe, but I fucking doubt it.

You people are high.

C’mon guys, I thought you all loved table tennis.

Oh well, as long as I can still crack jokes about Jenna Jamer-stone’s love canal and masturbation I guess I’ll cuntinue to hang around.

@ ghostboner

I second that.

While we’re on the subject, if you feel the need to talk about tennis, lawn bowls, syncronized swimming or disc golf, do everyone a favor and smash your face against a table really hard.

Ok, can we please not talk about “soccer” ever again on this website? Why, you ask? Well because soccer is for retarts and I don’t want to hear about it. As for pay scale, Randrew Cooter made over 1 mil to fight the aforementioned pee pee taster.

Somebody please explain to me how the fuck having the best talent divided into different organizations and not fighting one another is “good for the sport.” It’s exactly one of the things that fucked boxing.

While it’s true that soccer has the best players spread out between many top national leagues, they’ re all in Europe and play against each other in the end (Champion’ s League). UEFA is for soccer sort of like UFC is for MMA – UEFA still draws the best talent from all around the world because the clubs can afford it.

I think that UFC as an “A league” and Strikeforce as ” B” or even out of business is inevitable. Is it good for the sport – no. But that’s how it works.

I think Strikeforce’s commentary is great. I notice it, which means it’s not doing it’s job as well Rogan & Goldberg, but it is very interesting at times mostly due to Renalo’s awesome puns.

Their video production is awesome too. I get more excited watching a pre-fight interlude on Strikeforce than a UFC one. The UFC’s video production is clearly more oriented toward 18-35 male rock music listeners.

Still, by the end of a Strikeforce card I feel somehow unsatisfied, probably because the talent just doesn’t approach that of GSP, Jones, Silva, etc.

@Medium Rare

I agree, and I’ve actually said it before: Pat Miletich is a waaay better announcer than Frank Shamrock. Listening to Frank Shamrock do fight analysis you would think he has a background in water polo or Crump dancing, the guy has a hard time making sentences that are longer than five words.

@ aaronb

Strikeforce could generate almost endless new MMA jobs and piles of content building leagues that feed the UFC rather than interfere with it. They could have actually dwarfed the UFC in terms of number of events and number of fighters under contract if they played their cards right doing regional and mid-level events.

As it is, they’ve squandered the opportunity that Bellator is jumping on.

As for the price of PPV’s, we don’t need MMA competition in the market. The UFC has endless other sports and entertainment competition to the keep their prices in check.

We totally need less MMA jobs and content.

Please UFC buy strikeforce and raise the price on your PPV’s. We need to keep some of these poor folks away from the sport….

@ Mr_Misanthropy

Yeah, just another reason why they should stick to putting on “minor league” MMA shows.

But even then they should get the fuck rid of Frank Shamrock. For the love of god get Pat Miletich back in there.

Lord, please let the UFC buy Strikeforce in 2010!

lol “a large surface for punching”…

Yes, Breast Rogers presents an excellent punching surface.

I would use each tit as a heavy bag.

All the whining and hand wringing in the world won’t change the fact that Strikeforce puts on a painfully amateurish show. Occasional good fights? Sure. But everything else- the geeky Xtreme sport production, the asinine and inarticulate commentary (I never thought somebody could make Mike Goldberg sound intelligent), the cheesy graphics, the main event pyrotechnics (Great White anyone?), and the senseless match making are all up to them. Nobody else has any control over that shit. They still look like a bush league promotion from San Jose. Their production has more holes than a cheese grater, and it seems to be getting worse, not better. The ref had to ask for the bell guy to start one of the fights. A bunch of their background info was incorrect and compustrike can fuck off with their meaningless statistical analysis, save that shit for after the show. They have good fighters and it ends there. I have more disdain for them with each show I watch and I will be very surprised to see them around in a few years.

I’m gonna go ahead and jump in Swedish’s corner here.

Competing top level promotions means we don’t get to see a lot of fights we want to see.

Strikeforce should content themselves with putting on “minor league” fights. They’ll still put on great fights and make a ton of money and they won’t have the UFC counter programming them.

And the M1 Russian Mafia would have to gtfo and let Fedor fight in the UFC.

@Swedish
Just because you “don’t think” does not mean it is not what it is.
Just because you “think” does not mean it is what it is.

Kimbo made more money with EliteXC in one fight that lasted >30 seconds than he did over the course of his entire “career” with the UFC……when Kimbo arrived to the UFC and began fighting he made substantially less(and rightfully so) but to think he was paid fairly or paid for what he brought to the UFC as far as mainstream audience, aboslutely not.
The UFC getting better with paying their fighters? NO plain and simple.
The UFC getting fighters receiving endorsement deals for big bucks? NO not after Dana charges a company like Dethrone $100,000k a show to promote product through their sponsored product.
The “backroom payouts” not as much of that going on as you would like to think.

More competition does not necessarily equal higher payscales either, it generates more income as a rule only. Pride poached UFC talent back in the day with higher pay scales, but it was not due to competition, it was due to consumption of the product overseas, no demand no pay, higher demand higher pay, a company like UFC owns the lion’s share of the market in North America and so holds a sort of monopoly as to what it will pay it’s fighters which to me is wrong and why sometimes as a fan I get stuck watching two fighters who have side jobs fighting on a PPV card.
Dana needs to pay contracts for fighters, guaranteed money every month, not just per fight, so these guys can train harder and put on better fights for the fans….just take a look at the Rampage video today.

+ 10^6 for the Terminator 2 reference.

I pride myself on being an easy marker.

>:)

Swedish, you’re continuing to make less and less sense each post. Seriously, dude. Proofread.

Not that i care. We’re done here.

jimbonics – I agree, they ran the organization like idiots and hence they folded.

But did their off the charts payroll raise overall MMA pay? I don’t think it did, which means that more competition does automatically mean higher salaries.

Also, Brock has made more money OVERALL in the UFC compared to PeePee taste and Arlovski. My point is that it’s not always just about purse payments. Marketing income, endorsements, locker room bonuses etc makes these fighters very rich. In the longer term UFC fighters are much better off as they fight more often and they get much higher paid endorsement deals. This is largely because the UFC is a well run organization, not a shit show like SF.

Affliction paid people FUCKLOADS Swedish.

Arlovski got 1.2mil to fight Fedor. PeePee Taste got 800k to fight Fedor. UFC has never done anything close to that.

Their off-the-charts payscale is something that most certainly helped them fold.

I agree with Swedish.

I think all fighters should live on collective farms owned by Dana White and the Fertitta’s. The fighters can do yard work and wash all the Zuffa company vehicles when they aren’t fighting or training.

Eat from the trough if you want to be a fucking fighter!

Swedish Says:

“Do you think Affliction raised salaries? Nope, not one penny. All they did was screw fighters that could have been in the UFC making bank.”

Perhaps i should remind you how much Tim “Oops i crapped my pants” Sylvia made with Affliction.

Oh I get it. Troll. Nevermind then.

I didn’t call for one league cock breath.

I called for one major league, with minor leagues such as SF.

When did I say that the NLF/NHL unions were good? They are anti-american and union leaders are the scum of the earth which should be jailed and beaten with a long stick.

No I think WAAMA is as stupid as you are. Calling for one league and simultaneously bashing unions? Right, because there aren”t players unions in the other leagues you mentioned. You are either Dana Fucking White or a dumbass of epic proportions.

Almost North – You probably think WAMMA is the greatest idea ever as well. Freakin idiot.

I was just thinking about that rex13, want to help me start an MMA union? I’m serious. Needs to happen.

the UFC has created more MMA millionaires than all other promotions combined.

Still can’t believe you guys bitch about how little these guys get paid. The money is getting better and it’s not because of SF or other b-level competition, it’s because the UFC is making more and they can now afford to pay fighters.

Do you think Affliction raised salaries? Nope, not one penny. All they did was screw fighters that could have been in the UFC making bank.

@Swedish

Any time someone tries to compare MMA to the NFL I just point to soccer. All of soccer’s best players are spread out between as many as SIX top leagues, all of which make far more money than the UFC. MMA has the oppurtunity (eventually) to have a similar structure because everyone around the world fights while basically only north americans play football.

swedish>> difference being that football has a player’s union to make sure players are compensated fairly. MMA fighters haven’t worked that yet. Having a competitor helps bump wages up for fighters, which i think we’re all for, at least in theory.

aaronb – a Strong SF is bad for MMA. That means we won’t see the best matchups such as Fedor – Brock. Overroids – Cain V. etc.

How would you like it if the NFL was actually two leagues with two superbowls? The “stars” not competing with each other. Would it be as excited? The answer is NO.

SF should keep being a b-level organization that helps find young stars, much like the farm system in baseball. Once they are ready the best fighters can go into the UFC and shine.

BTW. Check out the yahoo page, they have it right. MLB, NFL, NHL, UFC

aaronb>> i know what you’re saying. i’ve been cheerleading SF as long as anyone, but i do understand the desire to have guys like Fedor and Overeem in the UFC to see how they stack up.

How about this: We all wish for a new year’s eve show where the promotions put their best fighters in and it’s one night of superfights. Records would be smashed.

@aaronb, exactly.

@AN, that’s something they need to change. It would be best for everyone if Strikeforce could actually fill the spots where there aren’t UFC events with events that weren’t shitshows. The event on Saturday was a good start, but they need to get some solid talent on their roster before they can start putting together solid shows. Also, get rid of Shamrock on the commentator side too; fucking tired of looking at his braced-up smugness.

That said, I wasn’t impressed with the last UFC event either (the exception being Shogun’s rape and murder of the Pee Drinker).

There are lots of Strikeforce fighters who wouldn’t be better off in the UFC. Randleman, Shamrock, Arlovski, you name the washed-up over-paid former star and I’ll agree their best option is Strikeforce.

I think OBI may be, in fact, Greg “Masterplan” Jackson.

Rex,

Absolutely the UFC has the most talent right now. However that doesn’t diminish the fact that a strong Strikeforce is good for the sport.

Upsets me that people don’t always realize that.

Gracie punches like Shields. Sadly that was still one of the more entertaining fights on the card.

Oh and big ups to Joey Villaseñor. Hell of an effort.

As for the caption, it is “chill, dawg” “chill dawg” lives down the block from me and sells cds out of his trunk.

Honestly, I think Gracie was wearing down Randleman.

I think Gracie fought his gameplan:
- Randleman was expecting a shoot and for the fight to hit the mat
- Randleman has suspect cardio after the opening 3 minutes
- Keep Kevin up, keep him jittery, keep him expecting the takedown
- Sure enough, about 3:30 into Round 1, Kevin’s got his mouth open
- Gracie looks fresh as a daisy
- Gracie is barely breathing hard when he wraps up Randleman and chokes him.

It wasn’t spectacular MMA, but Gracie looked pretty good.

aaronb>> if they are in the top tier–no. Is there any real debate that the UFC does/does not have the most top talent?

Get Off Me>> that caption is money.

Caption-
“You told me my tires were in stock yesterday!”

Seriously though, Overeem v. Fedor needs to happen, this is the equivalent of Barnett v. Fedor for Affliction, put it on CBS, throw Diaz on the card and try to save this promotion quick!

Is there ever a fighter that CP won’t claim is better off in the UFC? Zuffa Shill puppets, will they ever change their stance?

Strikeforce Commenting staff: -100,000

Worse crew ever assembled. Ohh and the “not so Grimm” was overrated as many non-UFC fighters tend to be due to the low level of competitors out there

When you know the ground game as well as Roger does, didnt he think it would be a good idea to work on his hands?

Where’s the Potato Index from UFC 113?

Roger Gracie has the striking skills of a pre pubescent girl.

+100 points for the Terminator 2 reference.