(A tough night in so many different ways. Photo courtesy of SI.com)
Even our supercomputer had trouble dealing with the data from a bizarre main event at UFC 97. We had to hit it with a broomstick a couple times just to keep it chugging. Not a great Saturday night for the UFC, but at least it’s over now. Let’s see who’s up and who’s down.
Anderson Silva -129
Against Cote, the computer was willing to cut him some slack based on past performances. But two lackluster showings in a row, followed by an inability or unwillingness to comprehend why fans might have been unsatisfied, that equals a big drop. Is this the Silva we can look forward to from now on?
Thales Leites -176
You get the opportunity of your lifetime and spend most of it flopping onto your back? We think you’re going to regret that decision. How Leites thought this strategy might yield a victory is a real mystery. What the UFC can do with him now is another.
“Shogun” Rua +92
We still don’t really know what kind of shape he was in, but it was obviously good enough. He did what he had to do to stay relevant, and who knows, maybe it’s the beginning of a Frank Mir-esque comeback for Rua. Now put him against someone who isn’t on the downside of their career and let’s see how he does.
Chuck Liddell -78
It’s been a hell of a career, but ending it now is the right choice. He’s simply not the same guy he was, and you have to be thankful to Dana White for insisting that he come to terms with that fact. Thanks for the memories, Chuck.
Sam Stout +55
He looked resilient in victory over a tough opponent. The fact that this was Fight of the Night says more about the general weakness of the card than it does about this performance, though.
Matt Wiman -49
He’s a credible fighter who also puts forth a great effort, but he’s starting to feel like a permanent middle of the pack lightweight at this point. For job security purposes, that’s a bad place to be.
Krzysztof Soszynski +63
He barely broke a sweat submitting Stann, and pocketed an extra $70,000 for his trouble. There is life after TUF for “The Polish Experiment." He’s earned it.
Brian Stann -59
A tough way to go out in your UFC debut, but what did we expect? The guy has fewer than ten pro fights. Give him time to develop more, possibly on Spike TV Fight Night cards.
Cheick Kongo +68
Putting a beatdown on a guy who’s not making his UFC debut is a welcome change for Kongo. He’s an absolute beast when he wants to be, but a title shot is definitely a fight or two away. First he has to prove that he can hang with the big wrestlers in the heavyweight division. Kongo vs. Carwin, anyone?
Antoni Hardonk -60
He looked lethargic and overwhelmed almost immediately. Makes you wonder, what’s an 8-5 heavyweight doing on the main card of a UFC pay-per-view? Are they that hard up for big men?
Luis Cane +49
He just might have what it takes to turn into a legitimate light heavyweight contender. He fought smart and didn’t get overly aggressive, though he knows how to hurt when he wants to.
Steve Cantwell -41
“The Robot” hung tough but was simply outclassed for much of the fight. Up next, a rubber match with Stann? Might make for a decent night of free fights.
Nate Quarry +45
Some signs of life from Quarry, who used vicious elbows to open up and put away a tough Jason MacDonald. That should put him back in the middleweight hunt, though his potential rise seems limited as long as guys like Silva and Maia are at the top.
Jason MacDonald -48
All the love from the Canadian crowd couldn’t help him, even though he got the fight to the mat like he wanted. Again he looks to have too few answers for a good ground-and-pound attack.
Denis Kang +40
Finally got his first UFC win after shooting himself in the foot during his debut. Now let’s see if he can return to form against an opponent who really matters.
Xavier Foupa-Pokam -33
A difficult first bout in the UFC yields predictable results. At least he hung in there for three rounds.
Ed Herman +46
Hey, remember him? Almost won “The Ultimate Fighter?” No? Well, turns out he’s still around and can still pull out a victory when he has to. How ‘bout that.
David Loiseau -49
You’ve gotta feel for “The Crow.” Things just never come together for him when he really needs a win. Guess he’s still good to have around if you’re putting on a show in Canada, though.
Eliot Marshall +36
Beating the guy who made the finals is a good way for a recent TUF alum to prolong his career. Or maybe it’s just another sign that making the finals doesn’t necessarily mean that much.
Vinny Magalhaes -50
Gets knocked out by the wrestler Bader, then decisioned by fellow jiu-jitsu black belt Marshall. What’s left for him? Unemployment, if he can’t prove he belongs in the Octagon soon.
UFC 97 -83
The fight card was noticeably weak aside from the top two bouts, and only one of those delivered. Seems like the UFC can phone it in and still sell out in Montreal, but how long will that last after this disappointing show? Let’s put it behind us and look forward to a stacked summer.
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Comments
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:13
Hope Dana doesn't force chuck to retire, his fights are never boring, wether you're a fan or not.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:18
WEE WEE!
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:20
While his fights are never boring how many times do we gotta watch him get KTFO before they become boring give it a rest let the old bastard retire with some dignity. This shit is getting ridiculous!!
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:23
Chuck probably should retire but I am confused at why Dana thinks its his call and not Chucks. Its bizarre how he is saying he is done. Maybe so in the UFC, but saying no one will ever see him fight again is pushing it. Strikeforce? OR is there some sort of UFC FOR LIFE stipulation in Chuck's contract?
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:26
They need to move Silva up to 205 to fight someone better like, maybe.. "The Dragon".
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:28
They need to move Silva up to HW to fight someone better like, maybe.. "The Huge Guy with a Penis Tattoo on his chest". Silva > HW division.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:28
Kongo vs Carwin? Yes please. Winner of that should get a title shot, maybe.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:30
Idont agree with Liddell going down. Everybody gets old and the vast majority of fighters will want to fight past their prime, even though he lost I think he goes up, hes ending his career still arguably a top 10 LHW, he didnt look like embaressing ala Mark Coleman and he came to fight, maybe hes missing a step in his game but the man is damn near 40, he said his piece at the end of the fight, and he will go down in history as helping build the sport and for his wins not to losing a few fights to other top 10 guys at the end. Everybody would love to see a guy retire at the height of his career but at the end of the day you have no barometer to measure the end until you lose a few.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:30
yep...kongo is looking tough these days. would really like to see kongo v carwin. winner gets the shot against lesnar/mir. kongo v carwin would be a clash of the titans for sure.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:30
Im not saying I wasnt dissapointed by the main event on saturday, we had 400 dollar seats and I just kept saying I cant wait to watch silva fight, no matter what fight was on. But I think its about time that everyone including Dana White's bitch ass start cutting anderson some slack. Just because a guy is 14-1 and you bill him as the number one contender does not make him such. Awesome he's a brazlian Jiu Jitsu black belt, thats great, but Vinny Magales won the gold at the BJJ WC 4 times, and he lost to Elliot Marshall on Sat. BJJ is one aspect of this game, one of about 5. If youre just coming out there with a one sided game plan youre going to look ridiculous. Anderson Silva is, in my opinion only, the best fighter on earth, when you put them in with guys like Leites they're both going to look bad. I cant go against Andy Pettite and put an impressive baseball clinic, because he's so far out of my league as far as skills. Bad analogy but you get it. Im trying to say, right now there are no legitimate contenders for AS at middleweight, so either you have to have him fight GSP, or he has to go to light heavyweight for good. One more thing, I noticed at this fight that people boo way too fucking quickly, I know everyone wants to see a knockout but if it doesnt happen in the first minute, why boo? This sport more than any other I can think of is about respect, and when 22,000 people are letting you know they think you suck are you going to put on your best performance? Probably not. Think of ten people coming to your job and booing the shit out of you as you put that Big Mac together (this is aimed at nobody), you'd probably walk off. Well the same goes for MMA, you cant fight for 15 minutes at the same pace, and stop acting like you can as you chug Molson Export and eat wings talking about what a piece of shit Anderson Silva is. We're ruining MMA. This shit never happened in Pride
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:39
This shit never happened in Pride because the Japanese people understand battle. And they understand what it takes to compete at this level. The Japanese people respect these fighters because they realise the amount of work that goes into being a fighter. In Canada (and moreso in America even), everybody thinks they're billy-bad-ass and that this fighting shit is the same fighting they used to do on the school playgrounds, when the simple fact is, MMA is NOTHING like a schoolyard fight.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:40
I am sorry, but if this had been TL's and Silva's first UFC fight then neither one would return...so weak. How can neither the Champ or the Contender press the action?!?! A champion that refuses to engage...still blows my mind. You should not be a champ if you are still afraid of going to the ground, my opinion, and you shouldnt be challenging for the strap if you are afraid to throw a punch. As the contender you should be trying to take the strap... As the Champ you should destroy all...period. Simple fact - GSP will never have a fight like this. He is a true Champion and the best P4P fighter out there today.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:44
I wish more people posted comments like CZ
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:45
i put Wiman up not down. sure his standup needs refining. offense and defense (wtf is up with that cage defense, and looking up at the camera every 2 seconds apparently to check his hair? and calling himself handsome? and that gay ass teenage girl music he came out to?) but he came to fight w/all he had. it wasn't fight of the night for nothing. no one said he looked middle of the pack when he KO'd Tavares when he was 13-1 in an all out war.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:46
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to contact the UFC about how disappointing this card was? I checked the Contact section of UFC.com, but I'd rather find something that I can direct to Customer Service or something like that. I've been buying UFC PPVs since some time around Liddel vs Couture 2. That's close to 40 PPV events, although a couple have been free. I figure that if I include the extra $10 for the few I've got in HD, I've spent over $1500 on their events. This latest event sucked huge. I'd like to tell the UFC that they're in serious jeopardy of losing my business after this P.O.S. (Not that they'll really listen, but, you never know, maybe a few more free UK events will happen, or they'll drop the price of some of the events featuring less than stacked cards.)
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:47
Nut Puncher obviously didn't watch the fight. If he had, he would have realised that there were a couple different points in time where the fight was on the ground and Silva dominated from the bottom (for the brief time he was there), and then was able to escape and stand the fight back up. Where was that WORLD-CLASS Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu then? It was getting punched and elbowed in the fucking chin, that's where it was.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:48
One of the most simultaneously annoying and entertaining things on CP is watching d-bags like "Caps Lock Hal" post the third and fourth comment on an article and say shit like "First bitches". What a bunch of idiots these "first posters" are. Most of the time they're not even first. That shit should be against the law.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:49
While I gotta agree with CZ there I don't put blame on either fighter,I know it just happens sometimes, But if Silva is getting bored with his weight category as much of the talk is now (nothing to do with his game) SOMETHING must be done and yes whether it is GSP(which I want!) or jump up to LHW SOMETHING must be done. I sure as hell will not pay another 50 bucks to watch Silva headline again until something changes. Can you imagine Silva headlining once or twice more and his matches end up this way UFC will be in a very tough spot. And just one more thing about Ol Chuck there I do see him having ONE more fight, I'm sure he will want to go out on his own turf i.e. USA give him one more against Wandy or Coleman or someone of that ilk and then call it quits
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:51
i think they should release leites after that performance. when u dont even try to win the fight then its time for u to go back to the minors, cuz whats the point of him beating other contenders when he will just throw away his shot
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:52
Fuck Anderson Silva. I have said for years that action should start on the ground. The whole damn Chuck/Shogun fight i was hoping the ref would separate them and call for a lay down.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:54
Your computer missed a coupleon the Index... Dana White -27: Chuck didn't even get outta the ring and Dana was saying Liddell's career is over. Can't ya wait until Chuck gets to the locker room? Sheeesh! Justin.tv -128: WTF? Total fail for streaming this event. Look, if you're gonna be a pirate, do it right, OK? Like those pirates in Somalia...be the guys who walk away with millions, not the ones eating Navy Seal sniper bullets. Logan Stanton's 'girl parts' +267: No explanation needed... Thales Leites' chriropractor +81: From all the damage Thales put on his spine from floppin' on his back, Leites' chriropractor will absolutely be able to send his son to an Ivy League college instead of that weak 'in-state' education!
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:57
In response to CZ & C-Bus - There are obvious cultural differences between North American crowds and Japanese crowds. I don't think it has anything to do with North Americans believing it's the same as a school yard fight, and they could do better. I think it's about the desire for a specific type of entertainment. MMA isn't popular because of the strategy involved, it's popular because of the potential for dominant victories. Boxing is in a decline due to the long fights ending in decisions. There aren't any dominant champions crushing their opponents. MMA has champions that are capable of dominantion, and capable of stopping fights. The champions who finish their fights are the ones who draw numbers. This is why Chuck was so popular. He was known as a KO machine. It's why Matt Hughes was popular, his wrestling and gn'p would destroy challengers. Anderson Silva should be doing these things too. He had several opportunities to be aggressive and finish the fight. On more than one occasion he had Leites against the cage, and Leites was even ducking down and forward. But, the knees were no where to be found. I agree with Nut Puncher, a Champion should be trying to win fights, every minute he's in the cage he should be trying to finish off his opponent. The Challenger should be putting everything on the line to take the strap. Both AS and TL should reevaluate their priorities. What good is being a champion and winning fights if no one wants to see you defend your title?
Mon, 04/20/09 - 09:58
my name will say it all in about a year. and then you'll go righttttt he boxed Roy Jones Jr. and lost. Didn't he fight MMA??
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:03
You want to know why he's the champion? Because he can pull a stupid-ass soccer stunt move to try to trip him up? But let me ask you this why would he try to trip him to the ground if he had no intentions of ever taking it to the ground. He's a disrespectful boring cocky douche that's why! He has no respect for his oponents, what they need to do is throw his ass some Rampage! Then he'll have a fight on his hands. Or someone of that magnitude. I think he'll destroy GSP.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:11
If there were yellow and red cards in the UFC we wouldn't have seen the shadow boxing clinic on Saturday. You aren't doing shit?! BAM.. 10% of your purse, baby.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:13
steve Cantwell is still the man. That dude is gonna get some great experience and become a contender. I cant wait to see him fight again. Luis Cane looked damn aggressive and huge for 185. He's gonna bring problems. As for Chuck...sad to see it happen but its great to see Shogun back finally
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:13
^^^ DITTO! ...yellow card rules. Look what it made Rampage do in PrideFC. REF: "Yellow Card!" RAMPAGE: "WTF?...take my 10%...I'll show you..." *Sound of someone getting KTFO*
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:21
Did anyone else catch that when Silva got into the cage he wiped the Vaseline from his face and started rubbing it onto his chest stomach and shoulders? WTF...
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:35
@C-Bus I watched the fight; The entire thing. If Silva wasnt afraid of TL on the ground as you claim he so easily dominated, and it was so easy to get back up, then why wasnt he crushing his face in with punches/kicks/knees when he was standing??? Without fear of that BJJ which you claim he easily avoided what excuse does Silva have for not attacking? Dancing around, punching legs, shoulder shakes, and soccer trips are not my opinion of champion behavior...Instead of all that BS just attack and finish him because hey, if it goes to the ground, he should dominate as you claim...
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:39
So glad I didn't pay to see this crap. And I can't believe people still want Chuck to fight. They want him to end up like Holyfield. ( Heard him talk lately?) Those same people probably think Tyson could still make a comeback. He needs to get a fat, cushy job and enjoy what he fought so hard to earn. Luv ya Chuck, but get out of the ring with your health.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:43
Are Chuck or GSP affraid to go in the guard of a superior BJJ fighter ?? No at all.....IMO Silva should've go gnp a few times when Leithes was falling on his back. Still.... Leithes was a pussy, he was the one who had to take Silva down. Next time just pull guard Aoki style.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:53
Im starting to think i was watching a different fight to some people. "You should not be a champ if you are still afraid to go to the ground"- Nut Puncher 9000 Did you not see Silva's sprawl ? And he was comfortable everytime it went to the ground. Or are you saying he should jump into TL's gaurd everytime he jumped on his back ? Im not at all dissapointed in Silva's performance. For me he showed why hes the best P4P fighter. He looked extremely comfortable against the #1 Contender and was smart enough to not do anything stupid, despite what the crowd thought of it. If a champion boxer looked comfortable through 12 rounds against a No.1 Contender that didnt come to fight people would say he got the job done like a professional...But in MMA fans bitch about not seeing a finish.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:53
I want to see Shogun/Griffin 2 or Shogun/Rampage 2
Mon, 04/20/09 - 10:57
Nice of Dana to elbow Chuck out, but ..... How about Dana offers Tito a one-fight contract, Chuck a one-fight contract ... ... winner gets to stay in the UFC. That fight would make a fortune.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 11:15
this is an interesting problem for the UFC. Anderson silva doesn't need to do anything more than he did on Sat to win, because they can't find anyone to put in there against him that will pose a legitimate challenge. It's always nice to see a dominant champion out there killing fools, sure... but at the end of the day, it's the challenger's job to take the belt from the champ. Silva has nothing to prove; he's already done that. So he's just being smart, fighting as cautiously as possible, doing just enough to win. At the same time, he is setting his record as the most dominant and longest-running champ in UFC history. It's up to the UFC to figure out how to handle him... but honestly, unless someone worthy steps up, they have few options. The yellow card idea may be their best move....
Mon, 04/20/09 - 11:29
Wanderlei is dropping to 185, if he beats Franklin he would be a great fight for Anderson. Anderson might win, but he will actually have to fight to get the win. One thing for sure, when the Axe Murderer fights somebody will get hurt.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:14
thats cause pride was the shit. and in japan. even the shitty fighters got mad love. the ufc needs to find people to fight anderson, and there doing a shit job of it. i wouldnt mind him jumping up a weight class. he used to fight at 205 all the time, and he has proved he can hang with and even destroy some of the higher echelon there. id say let anderson fight some fights he is looking for, and deff have him fight gsp. make a non anderson middleweight belt, and when that belt has enough hype, have anderson fight that guy.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:21
T.J Grant + 100 for beating Chonan in his debut ( C'mon CP this is a huge oversight ) Chonan -250 he should have won this fight, but he let this happen... Montreal Fans +1000 for forcing cheering T.J to victory. He could not have done it without them. And for booing the main event when it deserved to be booed.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:21
fuck dude, if this was pride, anderson silva would have come in with one of those amazing, jump 10 feet in the air over your guard head stomps that i used to love so much, every time thales was on his back
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:22
I can't understand why people are giving "The Spider" such a hard time. I'm not a big fan of his, but I think he went out there to do his best, but his opponet kept wanting to take it to the ground but wanting Silva to come to him. When your the champ you don't have to be on the attack.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:22
not sure why I wrote forcing there.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:25
The Spider felt bad for Thales who is such a nice guy. I really believe AS did not want to hurt him. Thales tried to touch gloves with Silva every minute of the fight. He was scared shitless. I really believe Silva was unwilling to hurt him.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:25
I am so sick of everyone giving Silva so much shit. How can you expect someone to fight when he is given opponents who aren't even in the same league as him? He did attempt to finish the fight a couple of times, only to be met with a butt flop, he was visibly frustrated and upset, so why not make Thales look like a chump. I feel that at this point in his career he also needed to test himself a bit just to see if he could go the full 5, why not? Personally, i loved that fight, it reminded me of the final fight scene in "The Drunken Master" where Jackie Chan kept switching styles, just because it wasn't a knockout, doesn't mean he didn't put on a show. In the press conference as well as the post fight interview i think Silva was sending a message to the UFC fan base which is: MMA is not all about spectacular knockouts so stop expecting them, I have technique and i like to test it on chumps that won't fight back. So everyone just get over it!
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:30
It certainly looked better on tv. I was there live and it looked horrible. I think the crowd was so desperately wanting Silva to look impressive as the undercard fights were not very exciting. Silva needs to stop training with the Dragon and start murdering people again so all the noobs will stop complaining like its the end of the world. ..but I booed him.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:34
How could anyone boo someone that pulled a soccer kick and made it look good, if anything you should have booed Thales for falling down all the time, and forcing Silva into a position which made him seem less that amazing.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:36
What was Silva's excuse in the Cote fight? He certainly wasn't afraid of Cotes ground game. Anderson did seem to have an answer for the ground game, and that was nice and early when there wasn't as much sweat and Leites was still fresh and energetic. By the third and fourth round, Silva should have found a way to finish the fight. Doing "just enough to win" isn't the behaviour of a champion. Even when GSP fought Fitch you could tell he was at the very least TRYING to finish the fight, even if he wasn't able to do it. I don't think punching Leites in the thigh was a brilliant offensive tactic. It was just pure show-boating. I don't think Anderson Silva even wants to fight in MMA any more. He expressed his desire to finish out his contract this year and retire. I think this is his response to the UFC not agreeing to his request to box Roy Jones Jr. I'm also not convinced regarding his "best p4p" label. In my opinion he's had some good wins against 2 or 3 quality opponents. Franklin, Hendo, and Marquardt. I don't think Cote or Leites, or Lutter, are legitimate number 1 contenders, and I'd like to see this new lazy Anderson Silva against Marquardt or Hendo. We might see an upset.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:37
Although I hate 'GINGERS' , CP also forgot about Bocek, who dominated a game Bieklheiden.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:39
Bocek -10 for being tough, but a ginger nonetheless. Beiklheden - 1,000,000 for losing to an ugly ginger bastard like Bocek
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:39
AMEN!
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:43
I booed because of mob mentality. May have been hurt if I hadn't. Seriously though, even with good seats, it was diffucult to appreciate the small things the Spider was doing in there. I didn't see any of the cool shit until I watched the ppv last night. Still, I think he needs to be more aggressive. I didn't pay 225 to see punches to the thighs, I paid for BLOOD!!!!
Mon, 04/20/09 - 12:49
CZ - I hope you were saying AMEN to my gingers comment, cuz I am having a hard time finding others who despise them. They are a race unto themselves and I think it is high time they are segregated. They can't even stand themselves. You never see them date each other. I am not kidding around about this.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 01:00
One of the few times I'll agree with Dana White's methods of dealing with fighters concerns the way he plans to deal with Chuck Liddell. Chuck will always insist he has some quality fights left in him; all fighters do. But, just like Ken Shamrock and Tank Abbott, how long do you let them continue when they're no longer threats to beat anyone? Chuck has been the victim of two brutal KOs, and at his age, it's now dangerous for him to step in the octogon for the wrong reasons. Keep him around for his celebrity appeal, but nothing more. Maybe use him as a talent scout. Or, like many teams do with their corproate boxes, use him for autograph sessions and meet n' greets. But please, no more fights. Just like no one wants to remember Favre with the Jets, no one wants to remember Chuck as the guy who got KTFO by Houston Alexander.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 01:10
@ the arsenal I am simply saying that as a champion in the UFC you should at least be able to force the action. If he was not afraid of being taken down, say rounds 3-5, (because I will admit that early on you dont want to get pointed out of rounds) then he should have been attacking with intentions of finishing the fight. Again, punching legs, shoulder shakes, and soccer kicks/trips dont end fights and If you are not worried about going to the ground then press the action and beat him up a bit. Would we even be discussing this if Anderson had been attacking to finish the fight? The whole reason this is a discussion is because AS failed to look like a champion...plain and simple. I say again, GSP will never have a fight like this.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 01:38
So is it Silva's job to win or give us a show? He beat TL easily and probably doesn't have even the slightest bruise on his body. I was bored by the fight but I am also bored with Nascar unless there is a huge pile up. What Silva did was display the fact that he is in another league all together. Other fighters are more exciting to watch but how is their health, Chuck is done, Wanderlei is moving down in weight, Jardine is taking a step back, and all because they stand and bang.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 01:40
Silva's BJJ guard is pretty solid. If you saw in half-guard, Leites couldn't get his leg out and it just ended up transitioning into full. I think especially later in the fight, Silva could've freelanced a little more with striking from above. I think in the last round he even started pounding him and bloodied his nose. If he could've done that in the last round, he could've done that in the 3rd or at least the 4th. But instead half the match was just Silva throwing feeler strikes and Leites falling on his ass. In a way, what people seem to be saying is we're willing to accept a loss if the fighter was being aggressive to win i.e. Faber(although that was kinda dumb but would've been sweet if he had connected). The impression I got was Silva was such a dominant striker that he could destroy people through his will. Now it almost feels like he's afraid to put himself out there because it risks his streak.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 01:43
Why not just introduce cards like they had in Pride? Push the action or lose your paycheck...
Mon, 04/20/09 - 02:26
Yellow Cards: Awesome, reasonable idea. DecipleOfMagus' first comment, as well as Old Bald and Irish's first comment were great. CAPS LOCK HAL, your still a fag. And I would still never bet against Anderson, until he loses. I would like to see him fight someone in 205 like Jardine, or Shogun. All the haters are sitll wrong at the ened of the day.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 02:44
Personally, I do not think it is up to anyone but the fighter when choosing retirement. If chuck still wants it, then as long has he can get permission from the athletic commission let him fight. Sure, he might be past his prime and he might tarnish his legendary status(I dont think he will) but this is about wanting to fight not whether or not he should fight. If you force chuck into retirement, why isnt Coleman forced out? He gets to keep fighting because he makes shitty financial desicions and needs the cash. Colemans performance against Rua was epically bad. At least chuck still pushes it. And if you Liddell has to retire then what of Wandy? This is the guy Liddell beat on this 1-5 ballgame.Rampage destroyed him in 2 minutes max. Sure I guess due to contractual obligations Liddell might be forced to at least wait till it runs out or risk losing the cush job he must be getting with the UFC, FUCK IT! If he wants to fight, ask Coker how much he can shell out to have Chuck beat on some light heavys or heavys in Strikeforce.....Dana White has no right, friend or not, looking out for his best interest or not, to dictate someones retirement from a sport. Cut him from the UFC stable? Ok.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 02:58
dana white's business decisions have always been and always will be the most terrible oppressive bullshit on the face of the planet.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 03:50
Dana White just announced that Anderson "The Spider" Silva will now be called by his new nick name Anderson "The mosquito" Silva. Due to the fact that a mosquito is like a little annoying pest and only takes a little bit of your blood.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 04:45
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Mon, 04/20/09 - 04:53
Well I don't think anderson would fight the dragon because in a interview he says he wouldnt wouldn't run for the light heavyweight belt because it belonged to machida
Mon, 04/20/09 - 06:07
If anderson silva is so good, I wonder how he would do against say Gegard Mousassi. too bad that would never happen, a guy can dream though. Also id like to add Anderson Silva can go fuck himself.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 06:08
I already had Cane in my personal top ten at LHW b4 this fight now I think its time for CP to do the same.
Mon, 04/20/09 - 07:59
I think Anderson went hollywood on us , so he acts like a baby when someone doesnt get knocked out by him . I thought a true champ composes himself and doesnt do dumb shit , he got criticized for it in his last bout , and then does it again. If the fight isnt going your way adapt or fight with respect. If he didnt do all that stupid shit during the fight then I wouldnt of had a problem, even if he just stood there. Those kicks to Thales knee were in poor taste and could possibly effect Thales career with future knee injuries. Anderson turned into a tool plain and simple. I feel the booing during fights just shows how new people are to this sport , when I was at 97 in cbus the boos were every 2 minutes ,oh and another thing what is with the USA chanting during a fight , so fucking dumb .
Mon, 04/20/09 - 08:00
oops meant ufc 96 in cbus
Mon, 04/20/09 - 08:18
It cost $225 for your seat? We're pissed that we paid $45 and we feel we should be extended a free UFC event for it. That event sucked. Dana says that the Chuck/Rua fight was amazing? WTF! Are you kidding me? I'll tell you, the thing that reaaaallllyyy gets under my skin is the way the UFC talks to their fans like we are total morons and we aren't seeing what we are seeing. Mike Golberg is awful and Dana thinks that was an AMAZING battle? Unbeleivable. I'm UFC from day 1 but I'm welcoming the Strikeforce, Affliction, Dream, Elite and anyone else who's actually going to give us fans the respect that we've earned. We buy these events and go on these sites, Cagepotato being my #1 by the way, and yet Dana says things like that like I'm suppose to go back and look for something that wasn't there. Bullshit!
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