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Quote of the Day: Nate Quarry Weighs in on Zuffa’s “Weapons Ban”


(Let’s see you try and ban these babies.)

Much has been said about the recent Zuffa ban on firearm, knife, and ammo sponsors from all UFC events since it was announced just a few days ago. Many believe that the ban is a result of the UFC’s desire to smooth out some edges in light of a major network deal, which makes sense, although a FOX representative has come out saying that the rule only applies to UFC broadcasts on their network.

And while it is a fair assessment that the UFC would want to avoid as much controversy as possible, many of us cynics are looking at the sponsor ban as the first loose thread that will eventually unwind the metaphorical Zuffa sweater. Simply put, when a network begins to control the content of the sport it is broadcasting, it’s only a matter of time before fights are being set up and determined by evil corporate executives with dollar signs and ratings numbers in their eyes. You know, like Rollerball predicted all those years ago.

Luckily, we have former UFC middleweight title contender Nate Quarry here to weigh in on the issue, and as he is no longer under a Zuffa contract, it’s nice to get a perspective on the issue from a fighter who isn’t living in fear of DW’s wrath. Before you all go off the handle, that was a joke, Potato Nation. Anyway, Quarry had some interesting things to say in regards to the ban, stating the following on The UG:

An MMA fighter has an agent that he pays, a team he fights for that he trains at, that he pays, if he’s good and has the money he has a muay thai coach, a Jits coach, a strength and conditioning coach, a diet coach and someone to help him cut weight. And if he just made it to the big shows he MAY make 30k for the year. Minus 20% for management and training at least then a third for taxes and you’re sitting at about 16k to live on for the entire year.

Sponsors have always been a huge source of income for fighters. I can’t tell you how many times a sponsor showed up at just the right time and gave me food money. Literally.

When I fought Pete Sell the second time I was sponsored by Toyo tires. For two fights I had their logo on my shorts. For what? A set of tires. That would be about $800. $400 for two fights on primetime that have been shown over and over. Why did I do it? Because I was driving around on my spare and one other tire was filled with fix a flat. The belts were showing on the other tires.

You want to see the best a fighter can be? Buy his gear. Support the brands that sponsor him and send the companies emails letting them know you’re buying their protein because they’re sponsoring someone.

What’s that you say? If you don’t like it then quit? I do like it. In fact, I love it. That’s why I lived in my buddies basement 2 nights a week to save on gas money. And I rode with other friends to practice to save on gas money. And I packed a lunch to practice. And I only wore clothes sponsors and other more successful fighters would give me. And I’d do it all over again.

If you got into fighting to be rich, you chose the wrong sport. Do it for the love and if you get rich that’s a nice bonus. But having those sponsors can sure make the ride easier.

Now just hold on a second, Mr. Quarry. You’re saying that fighters actually use the UG for purposes other than calling out their naysayers? Blasphemy.

On a serious note, Quarry makes several excellent points in this post, the first being that if you got into the mixed martial arts game for the money, then you’re in the wrong business. Because being an MMA fighter is kind of like being in a heavy metal band; no matter how successful you are, you’re never going to make as much money as Justin Bieber. But then again, you didn’t become a fighter, or the guitarist for Cannibal Corpse for that matter, under the guise that you would be accepted by mainstream audiences; you did it out of love for the game, so to speak. You did it because normally, you’d do it for free, and getting paid is just icing on the cake.

When one decides to make the leap into fighting as a profession however, as Quarry explains, the sponsorship money (as paltry as it may be), could mean the difference between eating or not on a given night. But like he says, a fighter’s life is all about sacrifice, and if you’re not willing to pay your dues to get that bread, then perhaps you should look into another line of work. And plus, you’ve got to imagine that there are plenty of sponsors willing to fill the gap left behind by weapons and ammo dealers knowing that their brand will now be advertised on network television.

Does this ban come across as another step in the, for lack of a better term, “wussification” of America? Perhaps (I say yes), but for now it seems there is little that can be done to protest, so we might as well look to the positive, whatever that may be.

-Danga 

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Mir please break Brocks neck- January 29, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Brokeback Mountain.
Shaky- January 27, 2012 at 4:42 am
Guns are for pussies

...and gun sponsors cheapen the UFC brand - especially to most of the world, like in Europe and Asia.

@RWilsonR

You may not care what the rest of the world thinks, but the global market combined is larger than the US market.

The US is successful because of international relationships, not despite them. If anything, changes in US politics over the last 10 years have deteriorated international relations.
Obama, whatever you think of his domestic policies, has been largely successful in reparing relationships, enabling the US to secure better trade deals in the future.

Republican moves such as refusing to raise the debt ceiling and negotiate on the fisal budget have been disastrous. America's credit rating has been downgraded - borrowing will now be more expensive, limiting growth - and investors are no longer as keen to put their money into treasury bonds due to the bipartisan nature of modern American politics and lack of compromise from the Republican side.
That my friend, is the truth. America is still the strongest economy and a great nation, but they can't and never did that alone.
Red Baron- January 26, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Dana White is a weak lacky. He kissed Harry Reid's nasty butt for money/political goodwill, and now he throws the Second Amendment under the bus, for money.

Dana, listen up dipwad, you're a hypocrit to act as though you support our troops, then turn around and stab them in the back by giving up one of the rights they're fighting and dying for.

Being wealthy, Dana, doesn't mean you're not a loser.
SKK BB- January 26, 2012 at 7:22 pm
nate: that's how you respond if ALL SPONSORS are banned. your touching story about being poor and all that shit had nothing to do with gun company sponsorships. shouldn't you have written about how gun company sponsorship money kept you from dying? did anyone just ban tire company sponsorships? so, then, NOTHING was just taken away from you? look, i agree, this is a loss of income. but everyone needs to chill the f**k out. get a different sponsor. if that dumbshit gun company would sponsor you, i'll guarantee some other dumbshit company will sponsor you. spraypaint polo on your shorts and see if they mail you $100 and then go buy groceries or new rims for your car or whatever you want. and f**k what the writer said about the wussification of america. need a gun to wave around and tilt sideways and act cool? go get one. STFU about the advertising ban. the UFC can and will do whatever they want.
RwilsonR- January 26, 2012 at 5:49 pm
@ joedirt - one example - the only contract we have ever actually seen fully disclosed from a Zuffa fighter was Randy Couture's, and it including a shitload of extra cash beyond the disclosed payroll. There have been dozens of interviews going back well beyond when the UFC was hugely profitable of fighters saying they received checks for great fights other than the disclosed bonuses. Babalu said he received one from Lorenzo in the ambulance after getting KO'd by Liddell. Plenty of other times recorded in interviews, but I'm not about to go research it. They don't disclose them, because they don't want competitors and other fighters to know what they are paying everyone, which is actually a good business practice.
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Also, I think you misunderstood what I was saying about salaries and public demand. I know what they legally have to disclose. That had nothing to do with what I was saying. I was saying that market demand for the product needs to increase to see wage increases. Legit competition and increased public (read: market) demand for the product is what will and should drive salaries up. As long as those factors remain static, so too should compensation, because cost of labor isn't determined by happy thoughts for fighters, or perceived disparity by the public. Just because a company makes billions in profit, they shouldn't pay any employee any more than they are worth in the current market - from the CEO right on down to the janitors.
XENOPHON- January 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm
amsterdamheavy Says: - haha..ha.
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I guess the monkeys relies on their mates too much. Hey once you got a bitch, you just don't realize how dumb she usually actually is - --- - as you sit on the same branch with her every fucking day.
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Ever notice you fuck with one writer, and his girlfriend and her skanky friends jump your ass around here as they protect their favorite little chimp. GRIN
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I got one possible solution for a good proof reader. Try "www.TurnItIn .com. Half the articles are identical to their sources anyway, right? That would catch at least half the typos. The other half of the article would be all the biased opinions.
XENOPHON- January 26, 2012 at 2:46 pm
@Joedirt Says: thanks for the clarification. I read your 1st post but the clarity didn't quite pop. I thought I got what you said, now I got it clearly. Thanks for the restatement.
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Goes to show that Zuffa doesn't leave any money on the table to contest when it comes to the contracts that fighters sign. I wonder when we get a chance to read the fine print of a Zuffa contract...I am positive that nearly everyone here, who has never fought inside the Zuffa franchise will do a double take when they see just how restrictive it is.
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Goes on the coat tails of the NATE Q interview, that most of these fighters seek the UFC brand stardom, are dedicated to bringing their best game, but know nothing of contracts and end up getting bamboozled.
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I for one would love to see Ken Shamrock's, Tito Ortiz's, any TUF contestants contracts, and any contracts from the new FOX era... all sitting side by side in a chronological order. I am sure it would be obvious to see a complete tightening of the reigns over the decade past. All this drives into your comments. Zuffa uses most all fighters - reaping all the benefits - and pays only what they must, not a penny more, until or after the fighter makes it to main event caliber.
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With 16 shows a year, and only 4 headline fighters per event, that's around 64 highly paid fights...the rest are if lucky making 6 figures, while most scrape by on less than $50k. Problem some have, is usually the same fighters are headlining all the time. In Jones case, he headlined 4 times last year.
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I now view the UFC as a pyramid scheme. Fighters put on the table their physical health (bones, noses, joints, ligaments, limbs etc...) and as long as they don't ever lose, they get their small share of the booty. Lose or drop a fight, or not get called up off the bench and its the poor house for many many years. And in the end, they end up broke most of the time.
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Gives me a new appreciation for the college feeder programs. Too bad MMA isn't yet NCAA. There is no future for the shot out MMA fighter unless he is wise enough to own a gym, a clothing company, or has a friend that owns a bar and needs a bouncer.
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What are you thoughts JoeDirt?
AndyInflammatory- January 26, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Is it true that sponsors can be involved with fighters in their day-to-day activities, but not appear on their shorts/shirts/backdrop come fight time?
amsterdamheavy- January 26, 2012 at 1:30 pm
@Xeno - I dont fuck with peoples spelling in the posts - that would be stupid, and a full time fuckin job around here anyway. Pointing out the fuck ups of a writer posting articles for public viewing is a whole different story imo. Professional standards and shit.

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These guys need a proof reader I think, thats all. Cant one monkey read the other monkeys shit before it gets posted? If that already happens then they are fucked and Ill shut up and accept the low grade copy for what it is. Shit, I'll proof read their shit for free if they ask nicely, in the interests of raising the quality here, I can sacrifice a few minutes of my day.

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I still stand by the fact that I didnt insult the dude like half of the people posting here. I pointed out an error, tried to educate and broke his balls a little bit - it is the internet after all.

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@DWizz - youre a lame, low standards having motherfucker if youll accept that kind of shitty copy from a semi-professional writer. I dont call out the butchering of the English language that happens every hour here by the posters - see above. I will call out an AUTHOR for such a blatant mistake.
Joedirt- January 26, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Rwilson show me one time where disclosed pay NOT being actual pay was ACTUALLY PROVEN! They constantly say there are other bonuses but nobody can account for them. The bonuses are the KO, submission and fight of the night and are accounted for. The demand from the public has nothing to do with how much the UFC pulls in per event. The numbers are public because of law.. the athletic commissions post what the fighters make by law and the gate and ppv totals are also disclosed publicly. Again I'm not saying the UFC shouldn't make money but the fighters deserve a larger piece of the pie. When the UFC started.. fine I understand lower pays, it reflected what the company was doing as a whole, but now the UFC has grown exponentially and the fighters pay has not. There is room for improvements and certainly room to allow sponsors to support fighters without paying huge fees. (maybe a checklist of criteria that the sponsor must meet within certain boundaries)
RwilsonR- January 26, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@ joedirt - I don't understand how many times it has to be disproven that the disclosed pay does not reflect actual pay. I understand the gut feeling everyone has about the disparity in fighter pay, but your problem should not be with the UFC. It should be that there is no viable competitors in the MMA market to compete for talent, and that the demand from the public is not there to justify higher salaries.
Joedirt- January 26, 2012 at 11:21 am
xeno... I never stated the fees where the same for everyone. Keep in mind there is a difference between having your logo on the mat and having a fighter wear your logo. Sponsors pay an annual fee to the UFC for the RIGHT to sponsor fighters (not sponsor the event directly).
So if you are a small sponsor and your budget allows 50k in fighter sponsorship you are required to also pay the UFC 50k, why would small companies bother? If they pay the annual fee and only have 1 or 2 fighters compete in a 6 month period they are getting even less on their investment. Ranger up is a perfect example of a company that no longer sponsors some UFC fighters because of the tax added by the UFC. That money is lost directly from the fighters pockets.
XENOPHON- January 26, 2012 at 11:11 am
@ Danga:
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QUOTE: "Simply put, when a network begins to control the content of the sport it is broadcasting, it’s only a matter of time before fights are being set up and determined by evil corporate executives with dollar signs and ratings numbers in their eyes."
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Well now Danga, where the fuck you been for the last 4 years, college? This is the point me and many others have been driving at since the dawn of time.
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Here is the rub, the guy making the matches in the UFC is named Joe. And not Joe Dirt, Joe Dirt is a dam good fighter, for reals, for reals.
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As for Nate, he seems alright to me. A realist, devoted, and correct - fucking with sponsors for junior and/or struggling pro fighters is chicken shit.
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@Joe Dirt says its part of the Zuffa game, as in sign their contract or move on to another promotion fast. So the sponsors like Burger King who are on the mat in the center of the ring, pay the same as those on your trunks - I doubt that completely.
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@Amsterdam Heavy - Don't fuck with Danga's spelling. You've done it to me numerous times now, and now your progressed to fucking with one of those high school geeks I will on occasion back up. He writes this trash, so that we can trash everything else.
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You want to impress with your fine English skills, then take this challenge. Let us see if you can include a double entendre in every one of your posts moving forward.
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@Dwizz Says - since you are possibly outside the US, where are you?
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@Arianny Sylvia Says - you ditz. Supporting censorship by any other means earns your today's "D-"
Joedirt- January 26, 2012 at 11:01 am
Me likey... a fighters union or association is a great idea. I've talked about that for a few years. I know many fighters want it but are scared of the UFC.
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Rwilson, for the record I'm not against the UFC making money.. I just think a fair amount for their fighters is not an unreasonable request. Without the fighters there is no UFC.
SuckMySkyWalker- January 26, 2012 at 10:59 am
RwilsonW needs to suckmyskywalker just ONCE...just once man, and you wouldn't need a single gun to make up for your own "short end of the stick". You douchy self absorbed waste of space, waste of a meat-bag pseudo elitist. The world would be a better place if you walked in on your grandma banging your dog while your pops is filming...your clitoris got hard, startled you, and you landed on the back of your useless cranium and choked on your tongue and died. And i wouldn't feel the slightest bit of guilt knowing that I predicted such an awesome set of events.
ccman- January 26, 2012 at 10:58 am
I love how we all want the sport moving into mainstream but fight every bump along the way. Weapons and gambling won't fly long term.
Joedirt- January 26, 2012 at 10:57 am
Rwilson Carwin is a great example. If he didn't have his job he wouldn't be able to survive on the UFC's pay alone. When he fought Gonzaga (at the time Carwin was 11-0, winner to fight for title) Carwin was set to make 16k. With a win he made 32k. This is the title contenders pay? At least 5 fighters made less than 10k (3 of which were at or under 5k). Now look at the big picture... UFC96 payed out to ALL fighters 762k. Their gate alone pulled in 1.8m in advance. There were also 350k ppv buys at around $50 AND the sponsorship tax collected. I'm not saying the fighters need to make Mayweather money, but more then they are making is justified. The day that MOST of the fighters can truly train full time is the day the sports talent will really begin to evolve.
Me likey- January 26, 2012 at 10:47 am
@Arianny Sylvia
the nfl and nba can't do it but they also have minimum salaries that players must make. even though it is a two headed monster that can come back and bite you in the ass i still beleive that the ufc needs a fighters union.
Dynamo- January 26, 2012 at 10:44 am
Hmm? He didn't "weigh in" on the current sponsorship situations at all.
Dwizz- January 26, 2012 at 10:44 am
@NomadRip Agreed....I can't wait for the chance to blast of some rounds in vegas when I finally travel there!
RwilsonR- January 26, 2012 at 10:43 am
I agree with Me likey. That is a decision the UFC made that I didn't much like. I'd prefer they have full control over who can sponsor fighters, but I didn't like their decision to charge companies a sponsorship fee.
I would prefer there be two separate catergories - event sponsors, and individual fighter sponsors. Event sponsors, like Bud Light and Harley Davidson can pay the UFC a sponsorship fee, and get their logo on the octagon canvas, around the arena, and perhaps even some reserved space on the fighters' shorts and banners. Then have individual sponsors who just give sponsorship money to the fighter for a place on their shorts, their banner, their walk-in shirts, etc, and they don't have to pay the UFC a fee. To me that would be more equitable.
But again... their company, their rules. I can criticize, but I'm not willing to go out and start my own company where I can apply those rules.
RwilsonR- January 26, 2012 at 10:37 am
@ joedirt - I understand, although I don't think Carwin is the best example. He has never said he has to work, he has always said that he just doesn't want to give up his day job. Also, given the implosion of his early NFL dreams due to injury, he knows full well how quickly these pro athlete dreams can disappear. I remember an interview with him where he said after he had his kid, he was debating with his mother about going to graduate school or trying again for football, and she taught him he needed to man up and put his family before his dreams. He said he would always consider any sports achievement or money he earned to just be icing on the cake, but that he would never give up his real job. Carwin is a good example of a fighter who does have his head firmly in the right place.
Me likey- January 26, 2012 at 10:36 am
it is far worse making sponsors pay the ufc just sponsor a fighter. they are taking money that potentially could go to the fighter. some smaller brands who may be sponsoring fighters just starting out may not have the advertising budget to pay the sponsorship tax. thus again taking money from the fighters. ranger up sponsored brian stann, jorge rivera, and tim kennedy. all military vets but no longer appear on ufc events because of the tax.
NomadRip- January 26, 2012 at 10:36 am
^^Which is funny, because everyone outside of America who goes to Vegas goes to The Gun Store to shoot off a few rounds. That place is always packed full of tourists.
RwilsonR- January 26, 2012 at 10:33 am
Gotta love the old P7M8, Arianny Sylvia. Mine shoots as straight as the day I bought it, never a jam to speak of. I still like it better than my P2000 or USP.
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