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MMA Quoteathon: Stephan Bonnar’s Near Ejection From TUF 1 and Other Poorly Connected Musings

Stephan Bonnar UFC photos pose
(How can you say no to that face?) 

Aside from its placement atop nearly every MMA fan’s “Favorite Fights” list, Stephan Bonnar and Forrest Griffin‘s war at the first TUF Finale is widely considered to be the fight responsible for popularizing MMA into the near mainstream sport it is today. Well, believe it or not, that fight almost didn’t happen on account of Bonnar’s uncontrollable desire for bottom shelf alcohol, specifically, Mad Dog. Although Bonnar has told this story with a slightly different spin before, Dana White recently discussed the craziness that was the first season of The Ultimate Fighter, and how Bonnar almost got himself kicked off the show:

The first season of the ‘Ultimate Fighter’ was the longest season we’ve ever done. It was something like 8 weeks and those guys were losing their (expletive) minds. I almost kicked (Stephan) Bonnar off the show. 

Bonnar turned the shower on, climbed out the window and went to find a liquor store. Remember we took all the liquor out after that big fight? These idiots…we had been driving these guys around for six or seven weeks and the house is in the middle of nowhere. There was no liquor store near there. The guy was walking around for an hour and thirty minutes. So much crazy (expletive) happened that first season. Imagine if I had kicked off him off the show for going to a liquor store? Forrest (Griffin) and Stephan would have never happened. 

No Dana, we would not like to imagine a world in which Griffin/Bonnar never existed. We’d rather imagine one in which Motley Crue serenades our lovemaking sessions with Adriana Lima, thank you very much.

Speaking of the Crue, does anyone get the feeling that Greg Jackson is Afraid to corner Jon Jones for his upcoming title defense against Team Jackson’s Bastard child, Rashad Evans? Because he sure seemed on the fence about it when questioned on the issue during an appearance on The Savage Dog Show:

I’m going back and forth now because I have to think about what it means to be on a team. Are we just a collection of friends that train together? For me, it’s much more than that. It means something to be on this team and it means something to have teammates. Rashad kind of left that. I don’t know, I’m leaning toward cornering Jon right now. Just because, am I selfish, am I going to make this about me? Or am I gonna make this about the team? I can’t be self-centered. Even though it’s something that I don’t want to do, it might end up that way.

I still consider him a friend. Right now he’s really angry, and he’s saying a lot of negative things. I don’t want much to do with that, so I’m just kind of keeping my distance, so that’s where we’re at. 

So what you’re saying is that you didn’t want Evans to Go Away Mad, (but) Just Go Away? And speaking of non sequiturs…

Eddie Alvarez recently spoke with MMAWeekly and explained why he chose a rematch with Shinya Aoki over the chance to recapture his Bellator lightweight strap by entering the season 6 tournament:

It makes no sense for me to rejoin a tournament and fight three guys that people don’t really care to see me fight rather than fight someone a Shinya Aoki, who is ranked in my weight class. I haven’t fought anyone ranked in my weight class in God knows how long. I’d be stupid not to take this fight. He’s ranked top five in my weight class, I believe, and it’ll get me back into the rankings. I’ll be able to forward positively.

Though it’s hard to blame Alvarez for this revelation, I, for one, would rather he fight for the chance of a possible rematch with Michael Chandler, considering how epic their first encounter was. Then again, watching Aoki butt scoot around Bellator’s rather gigantic cage for 15 minutes could prove to be entertaining in its own right.

And while we’re on the subject of rematches, it seems that one many people out there are already clamoring for is that of Condit/Diaz. And although we’ve said basically all that needs to be said about the fight itself, none other than UFC Hall of Famer Royce Gracie recently took to Twitter to weigh in on the controversial decision. Go figure, he was in Diaz’s corner:

@nickdiaz209 won that fight in my opinion. He is what every fighter should be a true martial artists who comes to fight. Well prepared and with a gameplan. Not one that [involves] running from a fight. Why come to fight if you gonna run? Hackney was running when we fought and I had to take the fight to him, Shamrock showed up not to lose in our rematch it’s a shame really. I for one am proud of Nick and happy he is part of Grace Jiu-jitsu family.

Well, we can go ahead and discredit anything Gracie says from this day forward, because you would have to be insane to believe that Keith Hackney would run from anybody…ever. He was not running from you, Mr. Gracie, he was simply luring you in using a level of mental warfare that you have not even begun to understand. You think you won that fight, simply because Keith allowed you to put him in an armlock? Please, this man defeated both a serial killer and a killer whale in hand to hand combat, and simply threw the fight for the good of the sport. You should be thanking him.

-J. Jones

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XENOPHON- February 8, 2012 at 10:25 am
Skeletor - And there is where we don't see eye-to-eye. I posit that absent a few exceptions (Sliva, Jones, Aldo) the UFC fighter is no better, no worse than most of the fighters practicing on other promotions and who have similar experience levels. .................................................................................................Where the UFC can pay slightly more than Strike Force, and Strike Force pays slight more than Bellator ...and so on and so on, you still have a shift into UFC for some that the UFC wants. I give you that. .................................................................................................For now ZUFFA pays best, but in a few years Viacom is going to steal much more of the UFC thunder than most would suspect. People will look back, just like they did at Myspace, the Razor Phone, and Drano's excellent blow jobs and say YEAH, that really wasn't such a big deal. .................................................................................................What I doubt most see is that a large percentage of those 300 fighters in the UFC only have their names known because they had a fight or two that got media hype and recognition because ZUFFA already paid bucks months and years before so their more popular opponent was already known. Just because your known, doesn't make you any better. Here, Overeem is the exception case................................................................................................Throw enough money around, and you can get anyone you want voted into political office. The UFC operates much the same. They spend enourmous amounts on marketing - that is why the deal with FOX was both smart and weak sauce. The get marketing mileage out of FOX, but at the same time have to get people to change channels and pay $55 bucks for their premier events with only ever having to pony up one maybe two branded name fighters. Yes Jonesy,that is weak sauce.
Jaycorr- February 8, 2012 at 8:39 am
What the hell is with this site? Why the hell does the poll only change like once every six months? Why is the fight of the week the same for a month straight? How hard is it to change that stuff? I mean come on why is it called fight of the week why not call it feature fight or something? That would make a lot more sense. Why not have enough courage to do a daily or weekly poll? It's a poll about this past weekends events for f'ing sakes, why not a poll on whether their should be a diaz/condit rematch? I could rant all day but I'll leave it at that, weak effort Cagepotato
XENOPHON- February 8, 2012 at 7:31 am
@ArmFarmer - "I knew without a doubt..." you are just so stuck in your ways, from a chicks point of view you must be horrible to be in a relationship with. Well, that's what I'm told all the fucking time.
ArmFarmer- February 8, 2012 at 6:42 am
gah! "at the end". Edit button! (see how I read what I wrote, and noticed my own mistake?)
ArmFarmer- February 8, 2012 at 6:41 am
and cagepotato, put a godamn d and the end of that "an".
ArmFarmer- February 8, 2012 at 6:40 am
Would you all stfu already. Should Ortiz have gotten the win over Machida because Machida back up the whole fight, and almost got caught in a triangle at the end? No, because he beat the hell out of Tito the entire time. Condit won that fight, as a hardcore fan I knew it, and my noob friend that doesn't follow the sport knew it. It was obvious. Condit clearly won the fight, I was even hoping for Diaz to get gifted the decision like Machida did against Shogun, but I knew without a doubt he deserved the win. Diaz stuck to his strategy, Carlos shut it down with perfectly executed gameplan, movement, and counter strikes.. end of story. You don't win fights based off of entertainment value or recklessly chasing your opponent. Diaz played right into Condit's gameplan and was too stupid to recognize that and adapt. End of story.
XENOPHON- February 8, 2012 at 5:14 am
@KeithHackneyWindmillPalmStrike - haha, fuck all that ninja star throwing from a distance, up and close is best - its the only way to hear that death rattle.
KeithHackneyWindmillPalmStrike- February 8, 2012 at 4:32 am
Royce Gracie is going to awake in the night one night, thinking he heard a sound. He will flip on the light, and the last thing he will ever see on this earth will be a Keith Hackney Windmill Palm Strike....run from that bitch
El Guapo- February 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Wait, no, scratch that. I thought you guys were talking about the 100 yard dash.
XENOPHON- February 7, 2012 at 5:06 pm
skeletor Says: I am sure there are many amongst us, like you that just know "...the reason other people are ranked is because they are fighting lesser competition and will most likely get tooled by the lower tier UFC fighters." And we will never know for sure, because Zuffa is terrified and won't let their fighters take fights in other promotions. Zuffa is so terrified that they make fighters sign restrictive contracts, and even own their on "B" league called Strike Force, just so that they don't have any defections. Once Zuffa fighters start losing when fighting in other promotions, all the mystic is gone - and its happened with many fighters over the past decade. When in the past it has happened, his company-propaganda line is that they sucked in the first place, and that is why he got rid of them. Problem is, if Syliva or Arlovski (for starters) really sucked, how did they even end up fighting for the champion belt? Might as well throw Diaz name in the hat too.
El Guapo- February 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I'd take Condit over GSP, especially since Rush is coming off the knee injury.
skeletor- February 7, 2012 at 5:01 pm
@dignan-Thank you. Diaz may have "lost" the fight but the real losers here are the fans. DW knew that going in, that's why he was hyping Diaz so hard. GSP and V a Greg Jackson gameplan may just be the recipes for the first 0 significant strike fight in UFC history.
dignan- February 7, 2012 at 4:38 pm
IronClad:

I said this in another thread: Just imagine if Diaz implemented the same game plan? Two idiots backing away from each other trying to counter strike.

It's a standard Jackson camp maneuver, and Nick's opinion was fuck it, I will take the fight to him. He had no other choice is he actually wanted to fight someone and put on a show.

What nobody is talking about is the lack of damage Condit inflicted while runn...utilizing his game plan. Nick was FINE.

People are also refusing to mention the back mount Nick took at the end, and attempted to go for an arm bar since time was running out.

Condit is no champion. He showed no skill, just a well executed and extremely lame game plan.

With all of that being said, who would you rather see fight GSP???
skeletor- February 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Xeno-I wish it wasn't the case, I really do. But the reason other people are ranked is because they are fighting lesser competition and will most likely get tooled by the lower tier UFC fighters.
TerryEtimFrozenNTime- February 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Let the Joe Son thing go already
bootystar- February 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm
expatriots need spliffs now
XENOPHON- February 7, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@Skeletor, are you sure you are not really Dana White. He is the only person I know who believes the UFC king. You should go read some world rankings this afternoon, you will see that of UFC's 300 best in world fighters - a majority of them are ranked well below the best 100 in their respective weight classes. ..........................................................................................................@IronCladLad - tell us how it really is. ..........................................................................................................@ Greg Jackson - you pussy, you shit canned Rashad for Jones - smart move. Now don't play public relations games that you care about being liked. Outside of your team, Rashad and most everyone else things you are AFU with your "play it safe at all times" philosophy.
skeletor- February 7, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Fuck Alvarez. The reason he hasn't fought anyone ranked is because he's in that third tier organization. Just like Lombard, you won't be shit unless you fight in the UFC these days. Alvarez probably wouldn't put together a good enough win streak in the LW division to even garner a title shot, his best days are past him.
IronClad- February 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I have liked Diaz and Condit for a long time. Honestly had a hard time rooting for either guy in this fight but Condit won. Its a shame that Condit is getting bashed by so many fucking idiots. This mentality that "intelligent fighters who stick and move without staying cemented to the fence so i can punch them repeatedly" is total horse shit and that logic is becoming the AIDS to mma fan ship. Its right there with "oh, these two dudes are rolling around on the ground. I think its called Jiu-Jitsu but it looks gay. Lets boo this shit so they stand them up and fight." I really hope Diaz doesn't turn into BJ Penn and start crying at every decision loss he takes because his opponent straight up out struck and out maneuvered him.
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