It is all fixed, like the NBA, boxing, and the WWE, keep pretending it's not fools!

Look. Rua did beat Rampage, and there's no arguing that. Jackson broke a rib early in the fight and couldn't really do much. Now you can not take anything away from Rua, saying okay. Maybe Rua broke that rib with a knee, kudos on him. Though I don't think that ass whippin you speak of would have looked as devastating as it did if Rampage wasn't dropped into a corner just trying to breath with a broken rib compressing his lungs.

Wanderlei really did demolish Rampage, but it was an all out war. That victory for Rua came from an already broken Rampage. Now, can Rua still beat him? Very possible since the only weakness I've ever seen Jackson have is vicious and keep in mind it took REPETITIVE knees from Wanderlei Silva who arguably has the best knees in the business at 205 to put him out. Fact is if you're a striker you're going to need to line your gloves with lead to beat Rampage. The man has the chin of Hercules and is NOT afraid of your punches.

Now Forrest is big, strong, has alot of heart and is getting more technical everyday. Can his strength match Rampage's on the ground? We'll see. Not that Rampage is going to sub you out but he will PUNK you out on the ground with sheer strength.
I love Forrest, my only concern is that the guy has so much heart and unwillingness to back down. What happens when he engages Rampage heavily in the stand-up, tries to bang? Do you see a Forrest punch stunning Rampage? Never really seen Forrest truly stun or drop anyone. Much less someone with chin the caliber of Rampage, and yet we've seen Forrest get demolished at the hands of Keith Jarrdine. You can say what you want but if I'm a betting man. Rampage hits harder then Jarrdine, and Forrest isn't a puss. He won't back down from a brawl. Those two combinations mixed with the technical striking Juanito Ibarra has taught Rampage leads me to believe that Forrest is in for a hurting.

Ill give this one to rampage, he has more experience and has faced more top notch fighters..... that griffin shogun fight was garbage, both tired in 2nd round, Rampage made it 5 with hendo and thats something to brag about...... i call it rampage 1st or 2nd round KO or TKO

The point it this: Rampage will defend why a guy beat a guys ass who beat his ass. Just like Wand is worse than the Wand that fucking beat the shit out of him TWICE before....fuck rampage.

Rampage needs to leave the shit talking to guys he has ACTUALLY beat, not guys like Silva that gave him a grade A - ass whoopoing, TWICE. and to talk on Rua's loss to Forrest. Again Rampage lost to rua!!!

Takes a good fighter to talk shit on good fighters...THAT YOU HAVE BEAT. But it is pothetic to talk like Rampage about Rua and Wand. 2 guys that gave him 3 good ass kickings and Rampage talking crap??? WTF kind of pussy move is that??

SAD!!!!

Forest's shoulder was shredded so that argument that Shogun wasn't 100% is shit.

he sure does blow alot!

Allthough shogun is a great fighter, he has fallen into the "pride paradox" as I call it. Only such truly adaptive and tough fighters like "vandi" and Jackson have been able to succeed in the cage. Cro-cop left quietly after his three $500,000 per fight deal ended, saying he just couldn't get used to the cage. Many other so-called "top 10's" have sadly fallen by the wayside. In light of the quotes from HDNET FIGHT's president Guy Mezger insinuating Pride's little fight fixin habit, maybe they just aren't that great. Not to mention Shutebox trains for the ring, utilizing stomps and soccerkicks. Removing that is like asking chuck to stop with that boring overhand right, or suggesting Sean Sherk to not use any wrestling when he fights bj...oh wait.

if there is one thing i noticed from the shogun and wanderlei fights rampage seems to have a little trouble with knees in the clinch. but like everyone said that was a while ago and i think he is probably much better now than then. but if im forrest griffin im still at least gonna give clinchin and throwin knees a goood shot.

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Guess I gotta be faster with my fingers. Damn Joe Son & Jemaleddin...sneaking in before me!

But the 'tater raises a good point...against Shogun, Rampage didn't look like half the fighter he's been in the Octagon either. Practically running away at points, covering up without even moving or countering....maybe _his_ girlfriend could have beat him that night!

...but I agree - Shogun is a BEAST. Hopefully he'll come back with a vengeance, there's a lot of guys I'd like to watch him beat up.

We can play that game with everyone. I would hope that every fighter is better now than he was three or four years ago. Look at Forrest on TUF and look at him now.

It does make me nostalgic for the days when Shogun seemed like he was going to be the next big thing, though.

You make a good point, even if you didn't mean to (since you seem to be getting the wrong conclusion from it): Rampage isn't the same guy who lost to Shogun. If you can't see the difference between Rampage pre- and post-Juanito Ibarra (which followed the loss to Shogun), you really aren't paying attention. Rampage has stated that back in the PRIDE days he didn't have training camps, was out drinking all the time, an didn't take his career seriously.

And all of that has changed. Juanito has improved his already excellent conditioning and made him a much more technical striker - certainly better than Forrest. ("Forest Griffin" sounds like something out of the Monster Manual to me.)

shogun fought that fight with a blown out knee, he blew it in his pride dyays, blew it before the fight with forest, and now blew it again.