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Rua’s Manager Says Shogun Could Face Randy Couture In First Title Defense

(Video courtesy Sherdog.com)

According to new UFC light heavyweight kingpin Mauricio "Shogun" Rua’s manager, a man who held the title twice in the past is gunning for the next shot at his fighter’s strap. 

Marcelo Alonso told Sherdog.com’s Andy Cotterill that Randy Couture could be Shogun’s first test as champion, contingent on the fact that he doesn’t get caught by a KO shot by UFC newcomer and former boxing champ James Toney when the pair clash at UFC 118 in August.
 

If the UFC Hall of Famer comes out of that fight unscathed, he could meet Rua as soon as November or December, unless Couture agrees to take the fight on less than the usual three to four months notice.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t think Couture should be able to jump the queue to a title shot because he’s Randy Couture, especially since he hasn’t beaten anyone of note at 205 since 2004 when he took out a psychogically fragile Vitor Belfort at UFC 49. Sure, he beat Brandon Vera at UFC 105 and Mark Coleman at 109, but most believe that the decision should have gone to "The Truth" and although he was once dominant, "The Hammer" is a shell of his former self and not relevant in today’s light heavy weight landscape.

That’s not to say Couture couldn’t pull off a win over Rua, I just don’t think he should get a shot based on who he is and what he wants, especially with guys like Jon Jones, Quinton Jackson and Rashad Evans already standing in line.

Going by this mentality of earning a shot based on past performances and previously holding a title, Rich Franklin shouldn’t be too far off a shot at Shogun either.

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fatbellyfrank- May 11, 2010 at 4:24 am
@ Taipan 15:48 Oh, just read that bit, Shogun v's winner rashad /rampage, funny feeling it wont matter who wins that one, Shogun will still walk away champion, then maybe we could look at A Silva v's Shogun
David_Banner- May 11, 2010 at 3:53 am
I don't give two fucks if he deserves it or not, I want to see Randy fight for the title. Jimbonics makes a great point that Randy isnt full of fights. He'll retire if he loses and hell, he might retire if he wins . Rampage, Rashad, Jones, they all still have very long careers left ahead of them. I for one, appreciate what the UFC is doing for Randy...and his 19 year old girlfriend.
fatbellyfrank- May 11, 2010 at 12:52 am
Another Randy fight, another fight I wish wouldn't happen however you can't underestimate the crazy old bastard, I just feel that if they fought right now Rua would be a bit sharper in all aspects and take a decision at worst, who know's what might happen by November.
Randy may have retired with dignity and preserved the legend and the brand name for all of eternity. Or not
KillDozer- May 10, 2010 at 11:49 pm
didn't everybody here bitch and complain when Rua got his title shot against Machida? There was so much crap thrown around. People were saying the same shit how he did not deserve it and there were other people in line and now look what happened.
Tai-Pan- May 10, 2010 at 10:48 pm
@macreadyshack
Must suck to repost the same thing in two different articles and have no one care, twice. I keed, anyway.

While I had a great time pointlessly speculating on the future of LHW belt today, DW has confirmed the winner of Rampage and Rashad will fight Shogun next.
macreadysshack- May 10, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Since we're talking about Anderson in this thread, too, I'm cutting and pasting what I wrote in the JDS vs Nelson article. I'm not doing this because I think it's quality, I just want to know what you guys think and I'm not sure if anybody's reading the comments on that other thread at this point. If this is a huge breach of etiquette, sorry in advance . . .

I think the UFC has terribly mishandled A Silva. It's like they have Rembrandt on their roster but refuse to give him anything but broken cyan crayolas. I'm not excusing his behavior. The way he acts is bizarre - sort of like a badass Jedi master who has succumbed to the dark side. Or maybe the Bizzaro version of Superman. He needs real challenges - I know it's been said over and over but I'll be Goddamned if Joe Silva is getting the message. This guy transcends belts and titles - he's a superfight machine. None of us want the UFC to regress back into the dark ages of David vs Goliath match-ups but with A Silva it's different. He has the strength, speed, skills, bone density and adaptability to fight in any of weight class 185 and up. They should be using that and giving him real challenges. When it's all said and done, this sport isn't about belts or titles for us hardcore fans (I know I'm generalizing here - maybe not true for everybody). It's about dynamic, badass fights, it's about watching athletes take huge risks and overcome adversity armed with mental and physical training.

I think the UFC and A Silva should abandon ideas about defending or obtaining any title and let him off the leash. Generally, it's a bad practice - basically nobody else should fight in three divisions. But he could and should. There are exceptions to every rule and Silva is the exception.

Fights you would not see A Silva dance around like a crazy child:
A Silva vs:

Junior Dos Santos
Shane Carwin
Shogun
Machida (I know)
Lesner
Rampage
Belfort
Wanderlei (I know)
Jon Jones
Frank Mir
K-Sos
Velasquez
Gilbert Yvel
ghostboner- May 10, 2010 at 5:19 pm
@almost north - Nice. I was trying to think of a "how's taste" joke but just couldn't find the magic. You nailed it.
HotPotato- May 10, 2010 at 4:36 pm
@Nut Puncher 9000

But.. but.. I don't wanna see an old man getting outclassed.. :<
I'll just don't buy the PPV if Randy gets the title shot, and wait for the knockout GIF to be released on da internet, yo. Yeah, that works for me.
Koeikan- May 10, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Also, add Anderson to the list now that Machida doesn't hold the belt... but even he should have another fight at 205 to jump ahead of Randy.
Koeikan- May 10, 2010 at 3:39 pm
The only person who should be angry about the possibility of Randy getting the title shot is Rampage... and he only has that right, should he beat Rashad.

Machida-just lost
Rampage-lost CLOSE decision to Forrest to lose the belt, impressive win over Rashad and you could make the argument... but he hasn't been super focused or trustworthy lately.
Rashad-just lost to machida, didn't look impressive against Thiago.
Thiago-just lost
Dean of Mean-lol
Lil Nog-not far behind, but Couture still gets it.
Iceman-lol
Rich-not established
Hendo-bolted
Jones- Closest behind Couture/Rampage, but still behind Couture. Needs to beat a contender after the Janitor to be considered.

Personally, I think Shogun v. Couture is just mean. Shogun is capable of killing Randy standing, but really... who else should be ahead in line. The only name you can justify is Rampage, and that's conditional on his upcoming fight.

If Rampage wins (and I expect him too), I think he should get the shot. If he loses, I think Randy should get it by default... and I think it has less to do with his name and more to do with how much of a cluster fuck the 205 weight class is.
Almost North- May 10, 2010 at 3:26 pm
"how tastes my oppressive totalitarianism?"
ghostboner- May 10, 2010 at 3:14 pm
In Arlovski's accent, "Go ahead. Make anger. Throw tantrum. But remember, in Russia, door knocks YOU off of hinge."
ghostboner- May 10, 2010 at 3:10 pm
And I like the TUF St Pete's Burrg idea. I would like to see the the guys try to trash the tuf house when it is made of bomb proof re-inforced concrete and there are 3 soldiers for each contestant monitoring propaganda and shooting off a finger if they utter any discouraging words about the party. And sleeping in on training days would earn you a month in the Gulag. Plus Russian girls are hot. Rampage would go on a.... a Rampage I guess. You have seen how he was with the Japanese chicks.
Nut Puncher 9000- May 10, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@ HotPotato

Maybe you should remind yourself of the difference between fans here in the potato nation and the rest of the average joe meatheads who order PPV. Where do you think the majority of PPV buys come from...Hardcores or meatheads? (if you need an example just look to the singular success of Kimbo, he isnt followed by the hardcores nearly as much as the average Joe fan...)

I understand what you are saying, I do. But Couture is a name not likely to be surpassed by any Evans/Page/Jones anytime soon, and with A Silva's shitty fights recently, Couture has just as much chance to get the call from the UFC. And that is taking nothing away from these other, perhaps more deserving, fighters.
ghostboner- May 10, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I don't know if Shogun has the takedown defeaucenceauxs to keep it standing against Captain. I think Randy could possibly win that fight, but I agree he doesn't presently desuurve it.

@viva hate + 69 for using the Arum homosexual skinhead line on McMumblin.
macreadysshack- May 10, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Oh, yeah, and stopdrinkingpee's idea of Randy/Lil' Nog works, too. That fight makes sense. Too bad I don't think it would put butts in seats the way Randy/Shogun (or whoever has the strap) would.
macreadysshack- May 10, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Damn, I'd love to see either Couture or Jon Jones fight Machida next. Jon Jones vs Machida would be the craziest shit . . . Two guys with awesome and completely different styles. Machida/Couture would be fun but I think it would be a very bad night for Couture - Machida's stand-up base (TD defence) and clinch control might neutralize Couture's best weapon and he'd be left with his bouncy tick-tock boxing - KO, I'm afraid. Still, a pretty cool fight.

Running Couture to the front of the line makes business sense but it certainly isn't 'fair' by any stretch. I think a sharp Shogun would have answers for anything Couture would give him. You can't count Randy out of anything but I think Shogun would almost certainly knock him out.
Mr_Misanthropy- May 10, 2010 at 2:22 pm
All fights will take place on a refurbished rubbish barge moored in the harbor, and the training facilities are in an underground missile silo that still has enough background radiation to make anybody with metal fillings glow in the dark.
Almost North- May 10, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Oh shit, TUF St Petersburg would be the bomb. UFC finally signs Fedor but immediately puts him as a coach on TUF 15 against Lesner. The house is replaced by a massive communist-era cement block with no windows. Coaches challenge is a chess match in the east wing of the Winter Palace. Gorbachov and Putin fight on the finale show. Everything is covered in coal dust.
Ratel- May 10, 2010 at 1:57 pm
OK, Anderson Silva against Rua for the championship at LHW is a great idea. But only if Silva vacates the title at 185 and moves up. None of that bullshit that BJ pulled against GSP, when he went to WW to challenge while retaining the LW belt - that way the challenger has everything to win but nothing to lose. At all. I say fuck that.

Randy, get in line. If he thinks he's still got the sap to compete, then he doesn't get a free pass just on his name. If he doesn't have it, then that will come out in his fights as he earns a shot for the belt. You know, like everybody else.

I want to say that Frankllin will KO Chuck, but idaknow - ol' Rich hasn't been too dazzling lately, especially when you look at his last two fights. Nobody thinks he beat Wandy, btw. Chuck, being the counterpuncher that he is, may pull a rabbit out of his hat.
Mr_Misanthropy- May 10, 2010 at 1:52 pm
@ Kimbosbroad

Only if they coincide the raising of the statue with the TUF St. Petersburg finale. All losing contestants have to drag a 1200 ton boulder from Finland by hand on which to mount the statue.
Mr_Misanthropy- May 10, 2010 at 1:48 pm
And don't ask me exactly how people will get their money, all I know is that if there's money to be made the rich is gettin' paid.
Mr_Misanthropy- May 10, 2010 at 1:47 pm
@ Joedart

I see where you and many other people are coming from, but my opinion is different. I agree that the UFC needs to keep working at the sticklers that won't sanction the sport (Ontario, New York, the Vatican) but I think they should be more focused on their conquest of new territory. The bigger they get, the more clout they have. As long as they keep going the way they're going it will be inevitable that at some point we will see the UFC where ever it wants to be (such as Vancouver in June). I think it is unfortunate that Pal Dooley decided to have a meltdown in front of the Ontario legislature (somebody said they were sitting in the front row), but that can't be taken back. The only way to redeem it is to keep going full steam ahead- money talks, bullshit walks. If the pie gets big enough you can guarantee that everybody wants a (Kimbo's?) slice. I might not be able to give you winning fight picks every time, but one thing I am sure of is politicians are greedy ass sons of bitches.
stopdrinkingpee- May 10, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Please, no.

1) I want Brock Lesnar, not Randy Couture, to be the first person to die in the Octagon.

2) The winner of Rampage/Rashad clearly deserves a title shot. Bumping Couture to the front of the line would be disrespectful to the fans and the sport.

3) I say give Little Nog either Randy or the winner of Liddell/Franklin as a #1 contender's fight, assuming Nog beats Brilz and Randy beats Toney. The old guys can't complain about that, and if they get past Nog, I'm on board for one last shot at glory.
Joedirt- May 10, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Mr_Misanthropy... I agree that inconsistent judges and non entertaining fights hurt the sport. I think with the "suckerpunch" issue though it isn't so much about hurting the sport with the fans as it is political. Many of the politicians who help decide whether or not MMA will be permitted in a province or state are not necessarily fans looking for the quality of competition. With people trying to have MMA legalized in many areas (not just the UFC) it's in everyones best interest for any MMA representation to act as professional as possible and not give the politicians any ammo or reason to not support MMA, ie. an injury due to basically assault after the match.
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