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Is Shinya Aoki the Biggest Douchebag in Japanese MMA?

(I guess humiliation makes you an angry man.)

If you haven’t seen the clip of Shinya Aoki’s achilles lock win over Tatsuya Kawajiri at DREAM 15, it really was impressive, but as usual, Mr. Rainbow pants had to go and taint the victory by spouting off about wanting to seriously injure his opponent.

Check out the video after the jump and we’ll catch you up with what Aoki said following the match.

Not content with just defeating the heavily touted fellow countryman, the sadist in Aoki stuck around for the post fight interview.

"When I grabbed him, I felt that I could finish it. When I caught him and tried to submit him, I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought ‘Ok, this match just became a death-fight,’ and I was going to [have to] destroy his leg. I knew Kawajiri never taps so I could not win without breaking his bone. I was hoping for an open-fracture."

In an effort to lessen the blow of his ill-timed remarks, Aoki commended Kawajiri on his composure and resilience.

"No one could have endured [that submission] like Kawajiri," he said. "His heart is iron."

This isn’t the first time Aoki has willfully injured an opponent. You may recall his arm-snapping victory over Mizuto Hirota at the New Years Eve Dynamite! show and followed up the gesture by flipping off his injured opponent.

After the fight he apologized for the rude gesture, but not for breaking Hirota’s arm, explaining that he was being a company man and was told to break one of Hirota’s limbs by DREAM’s seemingly sleazy producer, Keiichi Sasahara.

"After my fight, I was excited, and so I did something rude that I should apologize for. But that showed just how excited I was over that fight. When I had his arm behind his back, I could feel it popping," said Aoki. "I thought, ‘Well, this guy’s pride just won’t let him tap, will it?’ So without hesitation, I broke it. I heard it break, and I thought, ‘Ah, there, I just broke it.’ I was stopped afterward, but even if I hadn’t been, continuing to break it more would have been fine by me."

"When Sasahara tells me to go and do something, I do it, and that’s how I live my life. If Sasahara tells me to go to Strikeforce and take them out or ‘Go and kill that guy,’ I’m going to do it. Even if he tells me to go take out [FEG executive Sadaharu] Tanigawa, I’d do that too."

He later maintained his stance in an interview with MMAJunkie that he wasn’t sorry in the least bit for the injury he caused Hirota.

So why is he not punished for his comments or actions? The argument can be made that his opponents should have tapped, but Aoki himself said that if the referee hadn’t intervened, he would have done more damage to Hirota than the original fracture to his humerus.

If a fighter contracted by an American promotion came out and spoke about wanting to break bones or gloating that they seriously injured an opponent, they would likely be reprimanded by the organization they were contracted to or the athletic commission. 

Look at what happened to Renato "Babalu" Sobral for holding the choke too long on David Heath at UFC 74. It wasn’t the choke that got him into trouble, it was his comments afterwards that he was teaching Heath a lesson that elicited him a hefty fine for the infraction. If he had said nothing and pled ignorance and let on he didn’t feel the tap or the referee and that his adrenaline boost slowed his reaction time, he likely would still be in the UFC.

Ask Frank Mir about the repercussions of publicizing your desire to maim or kill an opponent in the cage. 


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ArmFarmer- July 13, 2010 at 3:45 pm
and sense you guys are making comparisons, how can you forget cantwell?? That dude ran around the cage in circles screaming "I broke it! I broke it!" like a little school girl. I have no point to make, just thought he was worth bringing up.
ArmFarmer- July 13, 2010 at 3:41 pm
To everyone wondering why people are offended by Aokis actions.. it's not because he finishs subs dumbasses it's because he's a dick about it. Breaking someones arm, that's fine. Breaking someones arm and then giving them the finger while they are laying on the mat.. that's called being a douchebag. This statement kinda rubs most the wrong way as well " I was hoping for an open-fracture."
ArmFarmer- July 13, 2010 at 3:39 pm

A. I never said he got destroyed B. You don't have to get destroyed to humiliate yourself, just ask Kalib

If I were Aoki, I would be humiliated by that fight. Are you telling me you wouldn't be? I'd rather get ktfo or submitted in a war than go 5 rounds with literally 0 offense. That's fuckin embarassing.

As for Japanese mma in general, it was a humiliation for them because Aoki set it up to be. He was going on and on about how this is the fight to save japenese mma and he's the last real Japanese threat and he's better than Americans bla bla. I don't know exactly what he said and I'm too lazy at the moment to dig it up, but he said a lot of stuff like that leading up to the fight.
rophelius- July 13, 2010 at 11:18 am
Dear Author,

The childish spelling and grammar errors in CagePotato articles have really gotten out of control lately, and I'd like you to try harder.

Thank you.
No Leftovers- July 13, 2010 at 11:15 am
Big fan of the site, but this article is completely misguided. Shinya Aoki isn't a douchebag for doing his job. He is one of the few fighters that can make consistent submissions exciting to the crowd. He should be praised for his actions, not torn down.
davisty69- July 13, 2010 at 9:53 am
Blah, blah, blah... So he enjoys damaging his opponent if he is too stupid/arrogant/prideful to tap. IMO, Aoki is simply the only guy willing to admit it.

Again, there is nothing different between this and Dan Henderson being ecstatic that he knocked the crap out of Bisping's chin. Both intended to cause maximum damage and were happy to do so.

As for the GSP example... He didn't let go of the sub because he didn't want to damage the arm. He simply wasn't in position to properly execute the submission. He said so himself and immediately went to Renzo Gracie after the fight to correct it.
shitbag- July 13, 2010 at 7:28 am
I actually have NO problem holding a submission to a snap in the absence of a tap - what the hell else you supposed to do?

However, yes I would agree Aoki is a total douchebag the way he goes about it. However, at the same time he is showing the stupidity of Japanese pride - ohhh, I have to lose with "honor" so we never tap. Ok then, so then Aoki will snap your bones, and you know what? His opponents would do the same given the chance and I'm sure Aoki knows this.

I think GSP should have snapped have snapped Hardy's arm - why let it go? Especially in title fights, if your not going to tap, then keep torquing, if the arm snaps because of a lack of a tap then what was supposed to happen? Let it go because you're opponent won't tap? Why even have a fight then?
Zusrstang- July 13, 2010 at 7:20 am
Big Douche Bag! I do not keep up with this guy but from what I seen someone needs to snap a couple of his body parts for fun!
dhr27- July 13, 2010 at 6:48 am

While there is some truth to what you said, it is a stretch to say that Aoki "humiliated himself and Japanese MMA" when he lost a tough 5-Round decision. Gilbert won, and gained a lot of respect in my eyes but he didn't even come close to "destroying" Aoki.
rlh61- July 13, 2010 at 6:31 am
ghostboner...right on, brah. That is exactly what makes him a d-bag...that and all the other d-bag bullshit he pulls.
BlueNose1690- July 13, 2010 at 6:30 am
Shinya done NOTHING wrong here , What does CagePotato expect him to do ?? Let go of the submissions because the guys not gonna tap ?? lol You fucking make him tap if he doesnt want to , You try and twist that foot as much as you can, You really are trying to make it snap until he taps. Which he eventually did anyway. This is why this site has zero credibility.
ReX13- July 13, 2010 at 5:28 am
Ghostboner>> Thanks, just what this conversation needed. "Rushmore Panhandlers" +1
ArmFarmer- July 13, 2010 at 4:37 am
Who cares. He's a big fish in a small pond, and we all saw what happened when he came over and tried to swim in our pond. He got ate up and in the process humiliated himself and Japanese mma as a whole. He will never amount to anything more than a Dream champion. His style matchs up perfectly to get smashed by any wrestler with decent striking. Japan is low on ncaa wrestlers, America... not so much. He wouldn't even make a dent in ufc.

That said he's pretty fun to watch when he's matched up with japanese scrubs that he can use to showcase his impressive jitz. That's pretty much the only thing he's good for.
ghostboner- July 13, 2010 at 2:41 am
Stop defending Aoki or I will go all this red engine on your asses. The problem is not that he is breaking peoples shit, the problem is that he is saying he is glad he did it and that he wants to do it. You can't really punish him for it, cause they should have tapped, but it definitely makes him a sweaty chode.

If you want an example of how you can flagrantly hold a sub too long and then feign ignorance/surprise and not get cut or even punished by the ufc, talk to that Rushmore Panhandlers guy.
Pingu- July 13, 2010 at 12:26 am
If your opponent doesn't tap, you make him tap. Both of these breakages were not Aoki's fault, they were his opponents. Nothing stopped either of them from tapping apart from their own dumbass pride.
Richard Fitzentite- July 12, 2010 at 11:41 pm
Seriously...does he even understand what he is saying? Those asian languages are just a bunch of jibberish anyway. Maybe he thinks that he's saying, "Much honor to my unbreakable opponent" or "My technique is of steel, his legs are of iron, the gods are delighted by our match" or maybe "Green tea, Bonsai, California Roll. Oriental is a rug, not a person."

One wrong brush stroke and the conversation takes a turn for the worse...
davisty69- July 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Created an account simply to respond to this stupid article. What is the unwritten rule in MMA? Tap or snap. He said that he knew that Kawijiri wouldn't tap, so he knew he would have to wreck his leg. And, he was happy to do so. I see nothing wrong with that.

Is it really any different than a fighter hoping to knock his opponent viciously unconscious? Of course not. In both scenarios, they are hoping to harm their opponent in the worst way possible according to their respective style of fighting.

So Aoki finds the idea of injuring an opponent who is unwilling to tap exciting? So what. I understand that completely and agree with it to a certain extent. He repeatedly trains submissions. The art of applying pressure to the body to cause pain and damage, or at least cause a fighter to submit due to the threat of pain and damage. I'm sure that most sub artists secretly want an opponent to refuse to tap, thereby allowing him to fully apply a submission. Aoki is simply willing to admit it.

Now, when Aoki snaps a guys arm, or chokes him unconscious, AFTER he taps... then I'll agree with you that he is a douchebag. Till then, grow up.
gracie_nuthugger- July 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm
its truly hilarious to see fanbois who would lick Dona White's taint if they could talk about douchebags owners.
If White isnt enough, the UFC owners are from a long line of real life mobsters, not wannabees like the aerobics instructor.

I'd make a pot-kettle comment but irony would be lost.

munche- July 12, 2010 at 6:50 pm
@mburtoni: What a country!

I think Aoki is playing the role up. I don't blame him for holding the sub when guys refuse to tap, they're the idiots that think being tough is better than continuing your career. He wouldn't be breaking anyone's anything if the guys would just tap
mburtoni- July 12, 2010 at 6:41 pm
So in Japan, it's ok for a fighter to publicly state that he wishes to maim his opponents. They also have TV shows where pretty Japanese girls see how many severed bull penises they can fit in their mouths while their faces are covered in grease and dead flies (no joke - I saw that shit on HBO.)

But they still censor pubic hair?
ianisthewalrus- July 12, 2010 at 6:24 pm
i fail to see the problem. his job is to end fights. his opponents have a lot of pride and do not wish to tap. that is why there is a ref. of course he would continue to crank, as many of his opponents would continue to fight. look at rich franklin fighting with a broken arm. also look at tim sylvia trying to convince herb dean that he was fine... he is just doing his job... hurting other people. hahhah.
hoe strokin- July 12, 2010 at 6:20 pm
jesus christ the japanese are weird. who in the world would dress up in such a self deprecating way besides the japane....... oh yeah, seth petruzelli
2DaDeath- July 12, 2010 at 6:12 pm
@ fbf:

typical japanesey calisthenics.
Reverend_Clint- July 12, 2010 at 6:12 pm
I fucking hate this guy
Screw you gayoki

PS i wish i would have posted this on fightlinker!!!
2DaDeath- July 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
@ k-onda:

I think you need to take sarcasm classes from that one persian dude on Family Guy.