Anybody who argues against the fact that Rua’s knee surgeries are at the root of his cardio-related problems is an idiot!

Did I suggest that another fighter was a credible source. No. I suggested that a credible source would be a relevant fighter coming forward and confessing that they had historically taken performance enhancing substances.

The reason I suggest a relevant fighter is that they wouldn’t be looking for publicity or money and thus their confession would be more credible. For example, if Brock Lesnar or Frank Mir came forward and admitted to taking steroids or historically taken them in order to improve his performances then I would be willing to believe them. On the other hand a fighter on their way out of the business or in the middle of selling their book or it’s film rights I’d be less willing to believe their words.

Yeah and Rampage talks about it being “black on black crime”. He appeals to the lowest common denominator. The guy craves attention and spent an awful lot of his PRIDE FC days being dominated by the guys out of Chute Boxe. Of course he’ll talk badly about them. But yet again, all I’m hearing from Rampage is hearsay. He doesn’t have proof. No one does, not until they actually come out and say, “Yes, I did take steroids.”

Actually, chances are you will be famous and chances are people will tune in. I got sick of hearing about Machida having never lost a round during his time in the UFC because he never came close to dismantling his opponents. If he was so dominant, why wasn’t he finishing? Then he goes on and puts in a fantastic performance against Thiago Silva. Now I’m very interested in him. I’d personally not bother watching an amazing wrestler sit on a not so good wrestler for 15 minutes. I can see better quality by tuning into the Olympics or watching collegiate wrestling. I don’t want to see a poor striking match between guys trying to land point scoring strikes rather than match finishing blows. If I wanted that I’d watch olympic boxing. I want mixed martial arts. I want to be entertained. I don’t want to snooze as a wrestling biased organisation allows one fighter to be laid on by another. I paid my $45 to see an event, to be entertained and that’s what I want. I don’t care about their 15-0 record, I want to know how many fights they’ve actually finished. I hate hearing fighter’s cornermen warning their guy that the oposition appears to be willing to sit on them and little else. I love seeing fighters continuing to work for submission holds and never staying still. What can I say, I miss yellow cards and having inactivity punished.

As for the difference between “running away” and mobility is how you use it. A ring rope’s flexibility allows a fighter to glide around his opponent and move into a better position to attack. A solid cage wall means that heavier fighters can squash smaller fighters up against a wall (and sometimes do little else as seen in Cheick Kongo’s knee to groin fest against Mirko Filipovic). It’s significantly more difficult to back someone up against a corner post in a ring especially when there is the option of taking your opponent to the mat.

And, Darkness, if you can’t see the difference between fighters staying mobile, and this stupid “runnning away” bullshit, go back to watching whatever the fuck you watched before you started watching MMA, because you clearly don’t enjoy watching it, and MMA doesn’t need fans with mindsets as simple as yours.

“After all, welcome to the UFC where it’s all about winning and not necessarily entertaining.”

I can honestly say that if I was a fighter, winning is ALWAYS going to come 1st. Why wouldn’t it? What fighter says “I going to go in there and make sure it is exciting, even if I get the shit kicked out of me.” None would be my guess. The first thing on any serious fighters mind, above and beyond anything else, is winning. If you go out and have 15 of the most exciting fights ever, if you don’t win the fights, you are still fucking 0-15, and chances are you aren’t ever going to be famous. If you want nonstop entertainment, go watch Days of our lives, or fucking WWE, if you want to watch FIGHTS, stick with MMA.

“Proof in the form of a confession by a fighter that has used drugs (and is still relevant in the fight game and not just trying to make a buck.)”

Would you consider another fighter a credible source? Because Rampage has said that Chute Box was infamous for its meth use. I am not saying that they DID, but that is what he said, and he was backstage, so he would know. I am willing to give Shogun the benefit of teh doubt here, but if he comes in looking like he did against Coleman, Chuck doesn’t have to worry about impressively destroying Rua, because it won’t be a challenge.

Use “mobility”, surely you meant “run away”? In a ring you have much more mobility with the ring ropes to bounce off and glide around your opponents. In a cage you have a larger area with solid barriers to pin your opponent up against.

The Cage is designed for American (predominantly wrestling) fighters and comes from a time when fighters would back other fighters up against a solid barrier (the cage wall) and take their opponents to the ground more easily. In a ring you actually have to be a vaguely skilled wrestler in order to drop an opponent and not just strong.

And as for Anderson Silva doing well it’s not surprising when so many of his opponents come out with the fantastic game plan of “I’ll stand and bang with him.” If you want to get a win against Anderson (and bore the heck out of a lot of people) spend the entire fight taking him to the mat. You won’t TKO, KO or submit him that way but the UFC will score you massively for it. After all, welcome to the UFC where it’s all about winning and not necessarily entertaining.

As for steroids in PRIDE FC, I ask for one thing: proof. Proof in the form of video or photographic evidence. Proof in the form of a confession by a fighter that has used drugs (and is still relevant in the fight game and not just trying to make a buck.) I haven’t seen any yet and it’s never been brought front and centre so until then it’s all hearsay.

@jdavis

Agreed.

To the little anonymous prick who leads off his whole “intelligent argument” with “UFC IS GAY LOLOLOLOL”, maybe if pride fighters had more than one strategy rather than, corner-the-guy-knock-him-down-stomp-him, then maybe they would have done well in the UFC. Guys like Rampage and Anderson do just fine because they adjusted and didn’t whine that their opponents could actual use mobility to get out of trouble.

Go back to boxing.

iceman by 1st rd KO!!!!

I know Chuck is on his way out, but I hope he knocks out Rua. There was no excuse for the way he looked against Coleman. If he gets that winded that quickly while fighting an 80 year old man, what’s gonna happen when he has to start fighting some real competition?

I had to laugh when Joe Rogan called him Ninja for his fight against forrest because they had the same build. hahaha.for fucks sake this guy was considered # 1 for a while. someone get this fucker in the gym already. oh and Chuck, how about some take downs maybe in this fight. I’m just sayin

“am i the only one who thinks that the pride ring and the ufc octagon play a massive part on the ability of the fighters to execute their game plan?”

You would think that a professional fighter would be able to adjust their fight strategy to a number of different variables, I mean it’s still MMA whether it’s in a ring or a cage they just have to gameplan differently. Shogun’s problems haven’t been gameplan problems though they have been performance problems.

I dont know what kind of rufied out toddlers you chill with, but some of the ones Ive seen have mad cardio!

cardio of a toddler? thats a crappy example, toddlers can run around for hours.

Shogun moves real slow likes hes on drugs nowadays.

I am sick of all this talk about Shogun being on steroids,
he fought twice in the U.S. for Pride and looked great in both of those fights. He knee barred Kevin Randleman who was a complete roided out monster and he KOed Overeem. Both fights in the U.S. and both fights he was drug tested and passed.

So to everybody who says he was on juice and thats why he doesn’t look good think again. Not only that but steroids DO NOT give you cardio, wtf. Maybe if you shot up right before the fight?

Not to mention Fedor

“Wanderlei Silva and Mauricio Rua were deadly in Pride because they where both roided out of there minds. No drug test = fighters doing anything they can to get the advantage. The only fighter that has come over from Pride that is worth two shits is Rampage, the rest of them are washed up has beens without the performance enhancing drugs.”

Yes, noone is more of a washed up has been than Anderson Silva.

Wanderlei Silva and Mauricio Rua were deadly in Pride because they where both roided out of there minds. No drug test = fighters doing anything they can to get the advantage. The only fighter that has come over from Pride that is worth two shits is Rampage, the rest of them are washed up has beens without the performance enhancing drugs.

yes. mauricio shogun rua actually.

…and the fact that you took the time to fucking rant about something so stupid. Impressive, moron.

…and the fact the you took the time to fucking rant about something so stupid. Impressive, moron.

lol,i swear i thought wandy killed some asian dude in pride with them stomps(j/k) . it the one where he he was holdin the ropes and just stomping away, i think rampage was commentating that fight .

those kicks were ridiculos did anyone ever die in pride?

@Bryan
Yeah but some have looked better like Rampage or Anderson Silva.

Maybe its an equal playing ground, if you know what I mean…

TeaKneeTeaGasSun

you are dumb, if anything the ropes help WRESTLERS utilize strikers by using the bounce back as a very quick shoot and/or grec clinch. you are just bad, quiet now.

the only reason why pride fighters couldn’t get out of the way of attacks, was because they were simply bad….
just bad,
easily you could hug and clinch…
but none had a respectable stand up.
i.e chuck taking down wanderlei so easily was because of chucks respected stand up.. so you see
you only look as good as your competition makes you.
and i just made you look bad.

ok guys sorry i didnt mean to be mean. i do too want to be the first one to post.
!!!!! there is always next article!

I don’t think anybody has ever taken advantage of headstomps and soccer kicks like Shogun, and I honestly believe he is signifcantly less of a threat without them.

Liddell via unanimous decision.

I’m the 1st!

I like how the second Dana saw Shogun looked like crap, he offers the Liddell fight to him (In like 15 minutes after the fight).

If shogun came out, and ripped Colemans head off and ate it, I doubt Dana would have offered him to fight Chuck

“First commentors” are faggots!

take away all those soccer kicks and head stomps there is really not much of a highlight video. aside a few punches that dropped his opponents he went directly to the kicks and stomps. chuck should have this one easy. but hey, what do i know? i thought shamrock would murder diaz

Um…. did anyone else hear that fart at 1:07 in the Shogun video?

Lets go Shogun!!! I like this guy I hope he does well, their whole team is cool with machida in there.

Also agree completely with Mark.

some fighters can make huge strides with cardio in relatively short periods of time. Im a fan of both here, but I like the prospect of having another serious and exciting contender in the 205 division for the next 3-5 years (Shogun), vs the prospect of Lidell making one last scary and most likely futile run for the title. So ill be rooting for shogun on this one.

Gee thanks man….I’ll keep trying.

None of the Pride guys look as good as they did while fighting in Pride.

I can’t stand Chuck Lidell, I never liked him, and couldn’t understand why all the fat white guys at hooters love him so much.

Dissapointingly, I’m going to have to put my money on Chuck against my favorite fighter. Shogun will never be back to his original form. Seems like once the Brazilians get a taste for living comfortably economically, their fighting spirit is quelled. There’s no way in hell shogun’s gonna be in shape for this fight, you can just see it in his eyes that he just wants to get paid, and get laid.

I hope Chuck wins. Although his career is winding down, he’s still one of my favorites.

Oh, and one more thing….

@Weatherman, don’t be so upset you didn’t get the coveted “first” spot. Someday with lots of practice, you too will get to wear the tin foil hat.

how about the ufc is gay and you only fight once every two years. that loss to forerst was due to a knee injury end of story. and as TKTGS says in a ring you can corner some one and hit them in the octogan you can always just move left or right and run away.

I agree with all but the ‘toddler’ reference. My daughter would run circles around Rua!

am i the only one who thinks that the pride ring and the ufc octagon play a massive part on the ability of the fighters to execute their game plan?

agrressive strikers do very well in pride because the ring ropes help opponents to bounce back towards the attacker thus nullifying their shuffling back.

this is in contrast to the ufc cage that allows the fighters to hit the cage wall and shuffle around it or take the fight to the ground safely (as against pulling guard and be in danger of falling through the ropes).

wanderlei silva and mauricio rua were deadly in pride because their opponents had limited time to escape their bombardment of attacks, but is nullified to an effect in the ufc.

plus the outlawing of stomping (favoured by both fighters) also have a role.

Man…I didn’t watch Pride back in the day….but if this guy comes back, good night all at 205.

Now for a real commnent.

I think injuries have a lot to do with Shogun’s current demise but I think it could also be that psychological switch that happens when a fighter loses their “blood lust”. A perfect example is Mike Tyson. He didn’t have the drive or desire to hurt people in his last fights and it made his physical performance look far worse than he actually was.

Two things: First – the cautionary tale reference is wearing a little thin – think of a new one CP. Second – Just a few years ago I couldn’t wait for Chuck to fight. I was and still am a big fan of his – but i used to get excited to watch him fight, now i am just nervous for the guy. Instead of excitement – i feel apprehension. I nervously await for him to get knocked dead instead of him destroying his opponents – that is not the kind of response that a fighter is supposed to elicit from his fans…

“the cardio of a toddler”

Classic!

Shogun’s had a short amount of time to completely change himself in the ring. i don’t see it happening.

I really hope he comes back strong, but I’d hate to see Chuck lose….

“First” posters…give it the fuck up!!!

Honestly, are peoples lives so fucking pitiful and without meaning that being the first one to post a comment really brings some value to your day? Give me a fucking break. Nobody fucking cares…except of course for the other morons who are trying to do the same thing.

He will become another cautionary tale.

First.