St. Pierre vs. Penn II Just One Beating Away

right on!!!

why you you bein hater? gsp is better without a doubt =) 18-2 baby!!!

Mmmm.... to all your BJ fans.... Jan, 31, 2009... that's all I have to say.

~~~WOW~~~
I dunno.... I have read thru alot of the hype of the Penn vs GSP matchup! And let's face it there is no favorite. I have followed this sport since it's onset and it blows me away to watch what these guy's put their bodies thru!! I have to say I am partial to B.J. The man has the best legs in the sport, the dextarity is unbelievable!! He won the first fight ...yes it was close, but GSP's 3 takedowns in the third did NOT win that fight..I'm not sorry it just DID NOT WIN THE FIGHT! He should win this one too...Penn submission in the 2nd Round.

dont dout jsp. thin against penn butt i dont think he's evr fought anyone like gsp.

Seconded, anonymous.

BJ Penn may be the lightweight champ (and rightly so), but he is also an arrogant prick. What kind of egomaniac thinks that by winning a belt in one weight class he deserves a shot at the championship in another weight class IMMEDIATELY?!

I'm not denying that it would be a great fight, but that's not the only thing that matters. Your comment about the WWE hit the nail on the head. Brock Lesner's situation has started a bad precedent for the UFC. MMA is supposed to be about real competition and earning your way to the top. BJ has done that in the lightweight division. He has NOT done that in the welterweight division. But I guess he figures 'Hey, they gave me a welterweight title shot before......'

Compare him with Anderson Silva. The man has DOMINATED the middleweight division. More so than BJ has done in ANY fight in ANY weight class. Do you see him demanding a light-heavyweight title shot? No. He fought a well-ranked (but not top-ranked) James Irvin....and destroyed him in order to prove he could bang at light-heavyweight.

I dont think it is too fair to the other fighters in the welter weight division, that bj penn, the man who was defeated by matt hughes, and george st.pierre, gets to surpass other fighters such as finch , thiago( who dominated hughes) and koscheck, not to mention any other fighter in that division, and gets a title shot! ? what is the deal behind that? we cant forget why bj left welter weight. he could not win the title there.. so please shed some light on this current situation..
does any one else agree, that bj , should fight thiago, or at least koscheck even. befor he fights for the title in welter weight.. or is ufc , turning into wwf , and pre meditaded match up. for money and spectator satisfaction. i think it is disrespectful to the other fighters who has stuck in welter weight, not dropping classes, and someone who tucked tailed and ran from the division when hitting a brick wall, walses back in and gets a title shot ppphhh. next thing you know we may see jimmy superfly snuka taking on chuck liddel.. hang on boys for the circus show!

GUYS, let's watch GSP vs. BJ,

Can you see BJ thumbing GSP in the first round,
a sad accident that happens.

Now check out Mat Hughes vs. BJ 2, thumb in the eye.
Now am not implying BJ cheats, what I am saying is that
when an unfortunate accident likes this happens, it puts the other
fighter in a disadvantage.

SO lets brainstorm guys, GSP thumbed in the eye & continues to fight with no referee time out, perhaps HE COULDNT SEE 100% which resulted in an BJ getting in some shots in that otherwise he couldn't get in.

Ok forget first fight questionable decision (that matt hughes also admitted scoring in favor of GSP), lets just look at the three factors in a fighter
1. athletic skill,
2. fighting skill (natural and trained) and
3. mental strategy

1. Athletic Hands down goes to down to GSP, lets not argue.
Fighting skills......ok i'd say BJ, but many would argue and I would fairly listen.
2. fighting skill, BJ has that natural talent.
In terms of who has trained hard to become a stronger fighter... that goes to GSP. GSP trains to be the better athlete and by doing so he endures longer. If you look at BJ, he comes out BLITZKRIEG style, Because he knows if he doesn't get them fast he doesn't stand the better chance of lasting past the second round. Look at BJ's history in fights , w/Joe Stevenson he came out BlitzKrieg won it early on, Ok now opposite With Sean Sherk he lasted but BJ definetely did not show athletic ability, HE showed good use of jabs to keep Sean away (athletic NOT, Fighting ability YES) & it's obvious that HE Was the more winded than Sean. And take a look at the ENDing of that fight KNEE, BELL, Referee stoppage, Sean asking what happened, BJing saying the fight is over...???? maybe am wrong about the order, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, I can't help but think BJ would have been too tired to continue in the next coming round and sean would have turned it around. Points made???
3. Game plan, Mental Strategy.
Ok BJ, seems to BLitzKrieg for almost every fight, except for Sean seemed well planned, Keep him at bay and Jab him till KO.
GSP SEEMS TO NEUTRALIZE every fighter, he has a new camp....
Game plan goes to GSP...

So on paper am thinking GSP...., but then again I thought that GSP vs. MAT Serra 1,

ok , believe it or not it only took me about ten minutes to write this so forgive me if this general synopsis isn't 100 fair.

but am sure it'll be a good fight.

great break down, good analysis.

gsp g&p round 4

Ok guys, the reality of it is that it will be a very exciting fight! All the fanboi's one way or the other need totrealize that this fight makes ALOT of sense, and is deserved by both fighters.

Bj Never "lost" the WW Belt. It was given up at BJ's choice to want to fight in a different leauge (Pride). One of his main reasons is because the Light Weight Division was gone in the UFC and BJ knows that is the best weight for his size. However the fact that BJ WAS Dominant at 170

BJ's carrer in the UFC started by dominating (except a iffy split decision to Pulver) the 155 lb. class with wins over Caol Uno and Din Thomas Joey Gilbert and Paul Creighton . Then he stepped up and beat Matt Serra
at 170!

When he got a title shot against Matt H everyone thought he didn't have a chance....except me and a few who knew the deal (I made 750$ profit on that one!!!).

Since he returned to his most natural weight he has beaten Pulver, Stevenson, and Sherk. He is the deserved Champion at 155.

Due to btoh guys dominance (GSP is a stud as well) this fight is the best for the fans since they are both capable of fighting at this weight. Silva cant cut past 185 (in good health) and I dont think GSP would step up in weight as he walks around at 185-188...Silva would destroy him.

So we should all quit whining about "eye pokes" and pizza and beer because NEITHER one of these guys will take fights lightly.

Oh and Penn FTW!!!!!! 2nd round submission...hopefully an omaplata!

Mike...

gsp sucks, bj penn is gonna lay the smack down on saint pierre

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Penn was destroying george before he ran out of gas, same with hughes, the only ? is will penn come prepaired, nobody has ever defeated penn when he was @ the top of his game, unless you count machida, @ 185lbs, which penn was obviously, way smaller, and proobably not @ his best then, losing a decision. If penn trains right, which I believe he will because he knows thats the only reason he lost the first fight, he will win, im sure it wont be easy, but if anyone can ko george its penn, no disrespect, goerge is top 5 pound for pound, but bj earns his nickname the prodigy. for those interested 1. silva 2. fedor 3. faber 4. penn 5. george

GSP YOUR DEAD

THE GUY ABOVE ME DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT KOBRACOM77 DOESNT DESERVE A SHOT? YOUR SMOKING CRACK

GUYS GUYS GUYS YOU GOT TO HAVE FAITH IN BJ IM TELLING YOU HES GONNA HAVE BOTH BELTS DONT TRIP

WOW, I do not understand how Penn should be able to jump up a weight class and get a shot at G.S.P's belt? He just step's over everyone else and demands S.T. Pierre give him a shot?There are other fighters in that Div that deserve it before Penn. Talk about disrespect to them. Penn should have to fight guys like Fitch and Alvres before he even get's a crack at it. Look at Anderson Sylva he is working to a shot at the belt in his new div. Screw Dana White for even allowing it to work that way. Oh, by the way, St.Pierre would have worked BJ over if it was not for that eye poke. There is no way whatsoever that Penn would take Rush now. He is going to get beotch slapped. I can not wait to watch that beating. You can quote me on it. Maybe then some of you guys will give Rush credit, Which he DESERVES. You guys seriously have to get over the disrespect because of a stupid Can vs US thing. Remember this is not the WWE.

Hey king GSP absoultely man handled fitch im surprised fitch was even moving after that beating but give him props for that..but he got man handled and it looks like you have to respect the canuck now caz he defended his title and he will rip penn apart to it going to be great to watch the canuck brawl penn just like a tough hockey player and he will wrestle like brock lesnar

You guys are crazy. Penn will not stand a chance. We still have not got to see Penn in a real contest. Boxing sean sherk for 3 rounds isnt exactly a test of cardio. After ufc 87, i dont think Penn could last 5 rounds with Fitch, let alone St pierre. And wtf is all this talk about anderson silva? Yes he is good, he may beat GSP, but i dont see Penn waving his hand at him either. And for your breakdown:
mental and heart ====penn WHAT???? he cant even disipline himself to train.
cardio ===gsp: true
striking ====could go either way :true
take downs ====gsp :true
submissions and ground control ===penn submissions, yes, GC , GSP
power === could go either way , NO, GSP once again
more to lose ===gsp for sure
biggest gain =====penn no doubt.

I know we all have our fav fighters, but come on, give other ppl credit too.

Penn will beat GSP in a rematch. GSP has become too much of a wrestler recently, and that shit isn't going to work against BJ.

ooh yeah and who ever was talking about silva vs gsp thats funny if you noticed you can't say pierre has enough balls to challenge silva cause he knows he wouldn't have a chance cause peirre has never faught anyone who has the technical striking with power that silva has. and silva went up in weight cause he knows if he can dominate in middle weight why would he want to go down in weight where he would not only destroy but mutilate anyone he faced in th ww divisionso he is willing to go up in weight where he can be on a more level playing field.he is going for real pound 4 pound best and same with penn cause he is willing to go up in weight to prove he is also one of the pound for pound best but in my beliefs is gsp won't go up in weight cause he knows he doesn't have the power to compete for gold in that division . silva walks around at 215 befor he cuts weight and penn walks around at about 175 befor he cuts weight and i bet gsp walks around about 190 befor he cuts so penn and silva's willingness to challenge other weight divisions makes them best pound for pound and i see that gsp doesn't have the balls to do that.

ok i would like to point out the fact that everyone says that bj poked gsp in the eye with a finger but if you were to watch the fight like i did in slow motion and paid attention bj caught st peirre in the eye with a knuckle but the gsp fans will argue till they are out of breath. and also yeah gsp did win the fight and bj did gas but do your research !!!!!
when bj left the welter weight division it wasn't because he just left it was because he wanted to fight in another company's event and dana white stipped the title from him.so for who ever was saying bj never beat anyone worth while in the ww division is a laugh cause he man handled a top title holder in HUGHS who was also the same guy to tap out gsp.bj penns skills were unbeleivable and he fought only using his skill not training like he should have and he was a dominant fighter till he lost to gsp hughs and little evil and realized that he needed to train harder which seems to be working for him.now gsp has a much improved fighting style w/ his take downs and take down defense but he has to be able to control a much and i mean the much better ground technician of bj who has monkey legs. and for those of you who say gsp will have the power advantage over penn are smoking something and i want some cause when penn faught machida at 205 he held his own with machida who has more power then gsp and is probably a lil more technical the gsp on the ground.
and for the striking aspect of the fight look at it this way gsp is known to have great strikes and when they fought the first time penn out struck gsp with bad cartdio but gassed and was then dominated for a round and a half. but tell me this have you ever seen st pierre bloodied or out struck by anyone other then penn no you haven't .

so here is how i see the fight
mental and heart ====penn
cardio ===gsp
striking ====could go either way
take downs ====gsp
submissions and ground control ===penn
power === could go either way
more to lose ===gsp
biggest gain =====penn

i see this being a great fight and a barn burner but if we see the to champions we have seen of late i give it to penn in the 3-4 round by rear naked and or cut.
i am not a penn or gsp fan but to those of you who beleive that huerta or florian deserve a fight for the championship need to do more research to cause yeah florian did just beat huerta but florian couldn't beat sherk and sherk couldn't beat penn . i look at it this way sherk is the nearest person who deserves a rematch and florian sherk 2 would be the fight to settle the #1 contender seat. and with that said who else in the lw division is #1 contender no one and with that said i beleive penn deserves a rematch with gsp and most likley if i am right it will be a rubber match.

I HATE GSP. I think he's an arrogant ass and a punk. That being said... he can also back it up, and as much as I like Penn, he doesn't have the gas or the GnP defense to stop GSP. Unfortunate as it is, I call it for GSP, probably in round 2-3, and probably due to stoppage.

boring

PLEASE stop the "if he didn't gas" shit. HE DID GAS AND LOST! It's like saying if he ran faster he would have won the race! Stupid. All the skills in the world don't mean shit without cardio. DUH!

first on the gsp v. fitch fight , that will be a good fight but im goin for gsp simply becuz i think gsp has more talent at this point and he is an extremely tough opponent. it takes him just getting caught on the button to rock him. ( serra v. gsp) he may have messed up and he got caught but it didnt knock him out it rocked him. gsp is one guy who doesnt let that happen again at least nearly as easy. although fitch is also a pretty tough guy non the less in the end i see a decision going to for gsp. now bj v. gsp. is going to be great. like i said gsp is someone who works hard to fix his mistakes. so i dont see penn putting him in the same amount of trouble as last time. but i dont want to take anything away from penn because he now works harder than he did before to meet his potential. and he does. so i still dont have a win on either side yet i will have to make that choice later.

@ ME and Big Chris - I recognize Penn's past success in the welter, but he was on a serious skid when he left for the lights. If he had stayed in the welter, he wouldn't be getting the title shot, so why would he get it after spending a year at a lighter class? That's my point. He hasn't earned anything yet.

Since I already opened the can...

Penn gets props for Sherk. I didn't think he had it in him, but there's still Florian and Huerta left to fight before he can call the light weight class a victory. And that's assuming Manny Gamburian has decided to slip into obscurity. (I love that guy)

If you don't understand the concept of people being on "another level" then you fail to see people in all walks of life as anything but ordinary. That is to say that you cannot see the differences in people and the various qualities that we all have. Not everybody is the same. We are not equally good at whatever we do. Some people are smarter than others, some are better athletes.

It could be said, for example, that Nikola Tesla was on a whole other level when it came to understanding physics. There is still not a mind on earth nor may there ever be that was able to comprehend the world as he. Another would be my writing skill compared to, say, Ernest Hemingway. I suxors, he did not.

Same with athletes. There is in everyone a limited potential for any given topic. Some people can run faster than you and I. Some can fight better. It may be very difficult to reach that potential, but that's what training is for.

Final example(s), BJ has limited physical "levels" and though he has proved that if he trains hard he can reach them, they are still lower than others. But his mental game and comprehension of MMA has put him on a higher tier than most fighters, hence his success. Sherk is, however, a juggernaut of a man. Physically (roids or not) BJ's body isn't anywhere near the heights that Sherk's can reach. But he lacks the understanding of all aspects of combat that BJ does not.

That is all.

ya know what ticks me off is when all the fanboys say "GSP is on a whole other level"
WTF does that mean.....a level like level 20 of super mario! what does he do that no one else on planet does.....does he have HEAT VISION is his body made of steel? does he piss OIL. hes a POS and he can be man handled like any other fighter ALSO all the GSP boys he has yet to defend a belt! EVER so suck on that GSP

Fitch will make him tap

Penn is on "whole other level" hes carrying the kryptonite

Does anyone remember the GSP vs Penn fight? I mean, everyone here is saying BJ kicked his ass in the first round, sure, he did out strike St. Pierre, AFTER GSP got a thumb in the eye.
Then everyone talks about how BJ gassed in the later rounds, while GSP was fighting with a broken nose and could barely breathe.
Watch that fight without the biased commentary of that douche bag Joe Rogan, and you'll have a different opinion.
The entire time Rogan was saying how great BJ is, how no one can take him down, then 2 seconds later, GSP clinches and muscles Penn to the floor. Then Rogan talks about how BJ has such great subs and will get right back up, GSP holds him on the ground and avoids pretty much all submission attempts.

Believe me, even if a conditioned BJ Penn comes to the Octagon, a focused GSP will destroy him.

GSP would win another decision.

I cannot wait to see Penn get his face smashed like Hughes, the douche, did to him. I also love how he talked shit about Sherk when he did the same thing and went to 155 LOL! Hmmm... Sherk is about 4 inches smaller and won his last 170 match against Diaz before he went down to 155. Penn is a silver-spooned bitch. GSP will have a rough time with Fitch, but I believe that he will win. Penn is not as strong as Fitch so GSP should have an easier time with him. Anything can happen in MMA, but I can always hope.

...and I am not bipolar. At least I don't think I am. Good luck understanding that mess I put up there.

@ME-Exactly....he left that title vacant and that is when Matt Hughes took it....you know the Matt Hughes that GSP couldn't even look in the eyes at that time....anyways that is why he is able to go into that division straight for the title...

@Innefable-The reason why they won't give the Spider the same chance is because he hasn't fought at LHW in the UFC yet....but if this fight is really onesided, no I bet if he wins inany capacity I could see him going for the belt at that Div. soon.

@Ineffable-
Actually BJ has been fighting welter for a good portion of his career and was champion at one time. So to say he hasn't beaten anybody is, well, silly. He can join the weight class at any time with the opportunity to fight for the title because he left the title vacant, it wasn't taken from him.

I honestly believe that BJ will beat GSP. Not to take anything away from GSP but BJ had him beat the first time.. he just gassed and therefore beat himself. This won't happen this again.

GSP has been known for his stand up and BJ was punching his face in. GSP's Ground game is pretty good but BJ is on a whole other level. Size and strength will be a factor but not by much.

I think that the biggest factor will be the mental game. BJ Penn likes to make himself hate all of his opponents. Many people say that he is a master of making himself want to kill anyone that he steps in the ring with. This keeps him from getting distracted and having the same problem that GSP had against Matt Serra. I honestly believe that this is the reason why BJ is so emotional after his fights. Once the fight is over he realizes that he does not actually have anything against his opponent after he kicks the crap out of them.

BJ Penn has already proved he can't beat anyone significant at Welter, so what makes him think he can come back? Two successes in the kiddie pool? I would be more impressed by a Pierre-Silva fight. Also, why would Penn get a crack at a title shot without any wins in the class? Why isn't Silva getting that same opportunity?

@Mike-Penn was not at the top of his game then....GSP has come a long way but so has BJ....but Bj was gassed by the second round on their first fight, that won't happen When they fight again.

@AC-I think BJ has it in him to be able to control both weight classes at once...Those other lightweights will get their chance, but right now it is BJ's time to build his legacy, and this is one of the major components needed to build that legacy...but if he can get two belts in two different wt. classes he will have a lot of work ahead of him to protect those belts that's for sure.

Ya I cant wait for this one!!!!! Remember when GSP fought Penn, Penn was at the top of his game then, he was more experianced and more feared, GSP was a new comer...he has come a long, I mean A LONG way since then...but its always in the air. If I had to choose it would be GSP ground and pound 2nd round.

I think it all depends on which of each fighter we see. If we see old Penn full of beer and pizza, then yea, not so good for him. On the same token if we see the lazy distracted GSP that shows up every once in awhile then same thing for him. But we've seen each of these guys take it VERY seriously lately and if that trend continues, then it will be a hell of a main event.

I still wish Silva would have dropped down a class or made a catch weight to fight GSP. Despite the difference in height I think GSP can put on a good show and decide who really is # for # the best. Guess that will never happen now though.... maybe the "Spider" was dodging him? (hehe)

I'm not saying he should'nt get the fight with GSP, all I'm saying is defend the belt a couple times, and then get GSP. Give respect to the fighters like roger huerta, ken-flo,etc.

Remember all champions say it's one thing to get the belt and another thing to defend it. Thats all I am saying.

thanks BIG CHRIS

@AC- yeah that makes sense except for the fact that his win against sherk was so dominant....Sherk dominated Kenny Florian and a juiced up Franca, he looked so dominant in those fights and it seemed like he would rule that wt. class for a long time....well we all know what happened, but Once Sean was cleared to fight BJ, that was BJ's biggest test in that wt. class and he completly out classed him....So after sherk there is no real legitimate challenger in that div. so a move is not really premature in my opinion.

Chicago?!?!?!

Hell yes, finally a UFC I can go to.

I just hate it when a guy wins a title and then says he wants to move to a different weight class. I feel bad for the fighters like Huerta, Kenny Florian, and all the badass in the 155lb class that have to wait even longer when they deserve their chance at the belt. Defend it 2 times in your weight then start talking about moving up or down.

I'm knocking BJ he's a great fighter, I just think 2 defenses and then try another weight.

@anthony cazares-What in the world are you talking about!!!

@VEe-I like Jon Fitch, he is a great fighter, but GSP is on another level...he will destroy Jon Fitch.....Now it is like Sherk in the LW, he is a great fighter but BJ is on another level...he destroyed Sherk...I think Fitch still has a way to go before he is an all around fighter like GSP....That is why a Bj vs. GSP fight is so Intriguing, cause they are both so dominant in their weight classes....and as of right now in their careers are on completly different playing feilds when put against the other competition in the weight classes....and even still I pick BJ to win, cause he is a little more crazy than GSP, he has that switch that turns off and he starts licking other peoples blood and stuff.....so I pick BJ to win.

BJ Penn will definitely win that fight. He is hungry to prove himself, and has a vastly improved mindset and attitude towards fighting now. While it is true that GSP has evolved as a fighter, let's not forget that GSP was in huge trouble in their first fight, as mentioned in the other posts. BJ by TKO 3rd round.

I hate GSP hes such a prick. I watch that Serra RAPING his bitch ass every week!
I hope fitch beats him hell penn will kill GSP. I will never give respect to GSP till he can DEFEND his belt at least once! other than that hes just a one shot guy.

I am waiting for all the internet GSP fanboys to slam me but I dont care yalls hero is a prick he will go down.

Why does BJ get a title shot already when there are some top fighters at 155 that deserve a shot more than BJ. I think that BJ should have to defened his title at least twice before he is alotted a a shot at GSP.

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Like anonymous said, anyone who favors one fighter over the other in this fight is an idiot. taking the old fight they had as an example is being idiot too, they both changed way too much since then ...i cant honestly say who is gonna win, but i can garantee it'll be a great fight

This sounds like we may get our money's worth for this PPV. I can't wait.

"GSP buzzsawing through Fitch is a likely scenario"

. . . so Fitch beating GSP would be considered an upset? It's not like Fitch is a small welterweight. Before people even begin discussing GSP vs. Penn II, they have to remember that GSP has to face Fitch for 5 rounds. Steamrolling or buzzsawing through Fitch is really not likely. A victory via unanimous decision or split decision sounds possible, but even after that its not like GSP has fought any other up-coming welterweight like Thiago Alves, Sanchez or even Swick.

I'm sure at this point, Fitch, Penn, and who ever else is expecting GSP to rush for a quick takedown.

If BJ shows up in shape he will win. GSP is a bad dude, but I don't think that he can beat a Penn that's at 100%. All he has to do is have pizza delivered to BJ's gym daily.

GSP via tear-off-head-and-shit-down-throat ref stoppage

In the first fight Penn had GSP on the ropes in the first round.
Problem was that BJ gassed BAD going into round 2.
If BJ can keep his current drive going.... you know actually training.
He should be able to beat GSP.
I'd take Penn in this one.

Though I do give GSP the slight advantage also because hes great strength over Penn.. but lets not forget the Karate master could not contend with penn on his feet, nor take him down until the later rounds with a DOUBLE LEG only.

With PENN being in MUCH MUCH better condition than he was.. GSP being more evolved as a fighter.. i say anyone who tips the scale to favor 1 or the other is an idiot

If anyone remembers.. BJ PENN went to the after party when he lost a SPLIT to gsp... and where did George go??? anyone?? - He had to be checked into the hospital

If there ever was a fight that could end in a tie, and not get me upset this is it...they both have the skillsets needed to give one another fits, but with the drive that BJ has right now he seems more dangerous. I see him licking GSP's blood at the end of this one....BJ by TKO 3rd round.

I love GSP, and I think he's got a strong shot to win the fight. But where I get worried is that his tactics will have to change from what he's been using lately. Wrestling and gnp against one of the best MMA jiu jitsu players out there, who also has a great sprawl and can counter punch with the best of them, is a risky proposition. GSP will have to use his length and speed to hit Penn from a distance until he's worn down; I think GSP CAN do that, but WILL he?

I think that Gsp would go through Penn like a hot knife would go through butter.... He is constantly improving his skills and I just like him.