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The Potato Index: UFC 89 Aftermath


(Carwin looked impressive, but how about a tough opponent next?)

You’re wondering who’s up and who’s down after UFC 89. The Potato Index’s system of arbitrary numbers devoid of any unit of measurement will tell you. It’s kind of like the stock market, only less depressing. We spent all weekend doing the math and here’s what we came up with. You’re welcome.

Michael Bisping +16

“The Count” won a fight he was supposed to win. Via decision. He never took any chances, didn’t show anything extra special, but he fought smart and he got the win. As a reward, he gets the TUF coaching job and the fight with the Hendo/Ace winner that was already his anyway. At least he didn’t screw it up.

Brandon Vera -132

Once upon a time Vera was the heir apparent in the heavyweight division. Now he’s a mediocre light heavyweight who doesn’t even put on much of a show anymore. What happened? He’s no longer exciting or effective, and he’s far too conservative. He’s making too much money to be doing so little.

Chris Leben -8 1/2

Leben chased Michael Bisping for three rounds and only got a little frustrated and reckless toward the end. A sign of his maturity? Sure, but also a sign that middleweight gatekeeper is about as high as he can hope to climb. He’s still exciting, so he’s not going anywhere. He also won’t be back in the main event any time soon.

Joe Rogan’s tribute beard +18

Sounded a little hokey at first, but it turns out that facial hair can be an effective homage to a fallen champion.

Luis Cane +284

The biggest win of Cane’s career, by far, and one that should get him noticed by the UFC brass. We called his record padded before, but he added some meat to it on Saturday night.

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou -157

Did he only plan for the first two and a half minutes of the fight? He came out fast but slowed quickly and looked almost disappointed to still be fighting in the second round. Hard to say if that breakdown was mental or physical, but it sure wasn’t encouraging.

Keith Jardine +22

He fought smart. He got the win. He didn’t blow anyone’s mind with his performance. Still, it’s a start back down the right path. Now let’s see if he can string two wins together.

Marcus Davis +42

A more tactical “Irish Hand Grenade,” but it paid off with a submission victory. We’d like to see you in Ireland, too, Marcus. But don’t beg. It’s not dignified.

British fans +95

Knowledgeable and energetic, if perhaps a bit drunker than American crowds. Plus you can’t deny that there’s something cool about the soccer chants during a fight.

Shane Carwin +49

He puts another ruthless beatdown on a very beatdownable opponent. Raw power is impressive, but let’s see him do it against someone who matters before we get too excited.

Chris Lytle +30

Showed he can still put on a show when he gets an opponent willing to do the same. Might need to improve his cardio if he wants to put people away, though. Next bout, versus Marcus Davis in Ireland? Why not.

Akihiro Gono -2 3/4

Poor Gono. Losing a split decision to a man fighting in his home country will always leave a bad taste in your mouth. He’s an entertainer, though, so hopefully we get to see him back on TV soon.

UFC even

If they’d have asked us to pay for that card, we’d be pissed right now. They didn’t, so we’re not. As a free TV lead up to UFC 90, we deem it satisfactory. Hoping to get more for our money this weekend.

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Seen Enough Bisping- October 21, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Blah blah blah...

That's right I didn't see it. I haven't seen most of the cards because:

A) Unlike you I work.
B) I have a family, friends, and a girlfriend that I enjoy spending my free time with and if an MMA card doesn't interest me I happily skip it.
C) Whatever I missed that's any good usually ends up on the web anyhow especially if it's from a free show.

I have seen quite a few of them. Some have been better than others for sure. My point is that no one who watched this particular card (except Brits who have an excuse) feels any kind of excitement about a Bisping match up with any top tier competition or even seeing him fight again. I'll volunteer to miss the next card he headlines and listen to you talk more smack to me for it. I can live with being that uncultured.
You are a hater dumbass.- October 21, 2008 at 2:34 am
Seen Enough Bisping, if you didn't even see the FREE UFC 70 card on Spike you are too much of an MMA virgin to even have an opinion. Go watch some fights and come back when you know anything at all.
Anonymous- October 20, 2008 at 6:13 am
Alvarez!
DAMN- October 20, 2008 at 3:12 am
Love the comments and every post. It's all good. Got to go with gogo-jojo on the fights with the "truly hungry". I would seriously give some scrath to see that shit. Also free to me means alot right now so overall it was a decent show. I felt similar to when the elitexc show ended, happy and drunk. Who you got on Diaz vs Alvarez.
Josh Aint Thug- October 20, 2008 at 2:58 am
Carwin vs. Kimbo

Petruzelli woke him up from his MMA icon daydream, now let Carwin put him back to sleep!!
Seen Enough Bisping- October 20, 2008 at 2:02 am
OK...

Other than the highlight reel in the promo I have now seen two fights of Bisping. This one, and the Matt Hamil fight. That's 30 minutes of my life I can never have back and you aren't talking me out of another 15.

The guy is beyond pathetic. He knows that as long as he doesn't get KO'd or take a ridiculous amount of punishment when he's fighting in England he wins. And he fights like he knows it. I didn't see anything in either of these fights to make me excited about seeing this guy get creamed by Silva or Franklin. Maybe he could beat up Hendo, I don't know. Hendo seems like a non factor these days. But so is Bisping and I'm not going to watch him run away from any of the above for 15 or 25 minutes.

This is why this card was such a bust for the UFC. If either fighter in the Main event had won convincingly they could have had a hook for the next fight.. But the reinvented Leban lost deservedly, and the winner refused to really fight. No, Putting either of these fighters on a PPV card is going to make me want to buy it. In fact, I won't even go to the local topless bar that plays all the PPV cards and see it for the $10 cover charge.

But right now the only people who care about Bisping are English Beer-swilling Soccer hooligans who have to find SOMETHING to watch when the pubs are closed after all.

Vera goes down in flames again and Jardine wins an uneventful and somewhat questionable decision.

How again did the UFC benefit from this card in terms of setting up future PPV and gate?
gogo-jojo- October 19, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Sleepy? Tired? These are the results of watching fighters' suffering from- "Sylvia's Paradox" - The symtoms: jab and circle...jab and circle, fighting to a decision, not fighting to finish. S.P takes it name from the former UFC fighter for his "fighting not to lose" strategy.
Tragically, this disease has spread and is now commonly mistaken for "strategy". Kenny Florian, Brandon Vera, Machida, and Michael Bisping have all reared S.P's ugly head recently...
But there is hope..those that confuse FIGHTING with some kind of karate-point-countyfair-event, should be rushed to the "mma minor leagues" of the WEC immeadiately.
There, UFC "stars" will have to dig in their moisterized heals, to fight WEC's truly hungry young souls...who wake up at 4:30 am to run to Detroit, eat raw eggs, and love tenderizing meat. There just frothing at the mouth to get a chance to KO and replace a "TopTen". ONly then, will they show their true grit and be healed. (side effects:probable reality show on spike with Lex Luthor himself in the center of the ring screaming "who wants to be a &%$!@ FIGHTER?!!?"
Geriatric Peon- October 19, 2008 at 8:26 pm
sol - Carwin got punched/cut but I didn't ever see him "rocked". He never wobbled, he never looked dazed. Yeah, believe it or not a striker was able to punch a wrestler.

CP posted the fight video www.cagepotato.com/2008/10/19/ufc-89-bonus-payouts-videos/#more-2930
MMAEruption.com- October 19, 2008 at 7:34 pm
I want to see Carwin vs. Lesnar. Could be the wackiest display of LNP in the history of MMA.
sol- October 19, 2008 at 7:16 pm
why is no-one mentioning that Carwin got rocked on his feet? Me and my buddys were watching it when we saw the blood and they all thought it was Neil Wain and I told them it was Carwin because he got his ass handed to him by a fat guy on the feet.
Hump- October 19, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Leben put up the fight I expected. Bisping was really elusive I don't know if it was smart thinking or just cowardly. Either way it was a good fight but Bisping can't just take each fight via decision it just gets boring. run jab, run straight right, run run, run some more. Leben got tired just chasing him around the ring. Letting him get free shots and he couldn't pull nothing spectacular off.
C-NUb- October 19, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I didn't notice too much more crowd 'booing' here than anywhere else, there was certainly some, but the high-points of the crowds behavior were pretty good too.

LOL @ Tribute Beard. I thought it was a nice idea, and Rogan grew a pretty impressive beard.



Calling the UFC even, though, I disagree with pretty strongly. While the main events weren't as spectacular as maybe some had hoped, they were solid, active fights. Jardine took a horrendous kick in the knee and basically just walked it off when, honestly, I think that would have finished more than a few fighters. Taylor / Lytle alone was worth the price of... uh... sitting down to watch it for free.

It wasn't a PPV quality show, in terms of the implications or the names, but the fight quality itself was excellent overall, and Taylor / Lytle, (Who's last name I may be misspelling) was really a pleasure to watch, even if I personally called it for Taylor.
greenseed- October 19, 2008 at 6:06 pm
after lesnar loses to randy they should pit him up against carwin
Jugger- October 19, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Soko will never amount to anything until he can overcome his aversion to getting hit. The guy wilts inside as soon as somebody hits him. When he realized Luiz wasn't intimidated and was unaffected by his best shots he acted as if he didn't want to be in there anymore.

He's like CroCop. Awesome, as long as he can bully his opponent. Match him against somebody who won't run from him and he melts.
Patrick- October 19, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Paul Taylor = +150

The guy goes out and fights his ass off every fight, no matter what.
He should never be involved in an unaired fight.
Imbecile- October 19, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Absolute nonsense!

Bisping is only deserving of a +2, at most, for his "elusive" Machida-esque victory win over Leben. I might even detract a point or two for actually admitting that his gameplan never had any intention of finishing the fight, and he was always looking for the unanimous decision. Pathetic! He stays in the positives only because he helped his career by not screwing up and getting KO'ed.

Leben deserves about a +2 for actually trying to WIN the fight, not just make it through unscathed. Plus, not sure if the cornrows were intended as an additional Evan Tanner tribute, but I took them as such, notching him up the positive ladder.

British fans should realistically been around a +67... maybe +69. There was definitely a lot of energy in the arena. But let me get this straight... American fans boo and they are ignorant rednecks, and English fans boo and they are "knowledgeable?" When did John Kerry and Michelle Obama start writing for CagePotato?

UFC card only gets an "even" for putting on a free night of fights? It wasn't the best night ever, but certainly a good card for not having to pay for it. At least worthy of a +12.

Other than that, you were right on everything!
Justin- October 19, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Decision power....

Vera lost. He's overrated. They should've taken all that money they paid him and gave it to Jardine too. I'm not a huge Jardine fan, but he's waaaaay underpaid.
FilmDrunk- October 19, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Also, how do you figure Bisping has power in either hand when he couldn't knock out a guy who was giving him free shots?
FilmDrunk- October 19, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Agree Vera should've been less conservative, still say he should've won the decision.
alan- October 19, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Fuck that vera-jardine fight was so fucking boring i was booing at home and even the swedish hosts for the ufc even was like man this works better then a sleeping pill lol not that they know anything about mma but still the fans had every right to boo at that fight imo:P
none- October 19, 2008 at 4:02 pm
At Roan
its ok remeber that your country invented a unit of measurement just so they could name their currency after it.
P.S. Vera should stop being such a pussy and cut to 185. If franklin can do it i'm sure his ass can.
the glza- October 19, 2008 at 3:59 pm
well, r0an...

you had a hell of a show though, didn't you? going to a live event is completely different from watching it on tv -- i suspect you guys got £550 worth of fun, no?

i fully expected cane to win, but not by tko... i figured sokoudju had the edge in the stand-up

british fans are awesome -- we should get drunker and rowdier...
justin- October 19, 2008 at 3:54 pm
UFC middleweights, you have been warned: Bisping has decision power in either hand.

Also, no disrespect to Ron Kaman and Lloyd Irving, but anyone else think Brandon Vera could do himself a huge favor by joining a solid camp/team? Getting his ass kicked daily in practice might make him less reluctant to mix it up in the ring. That is, assuming anyone cares about Brandon Vera anymore...
ox- October 19, 2008 at 3:35 pm
^^ bummer for you ....did you look to see who was fighting before you bought tickets ???
r0an- October 19, 2008 at 3:22 pm
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As a free TV lead up to UFC 90, we deem it satisfactory.
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maybe you didnt pay, but it cost me & my mates over £550 for tickets

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