In case you missed it somehow on Saturday night, Joe Rogan wants you to know that Lyoto Machida is elusive. And because he doesn’t trust your ability to pick up on this right away, he relies on repetition to get the point across. Conveniently, this viewpoint — the one that deems Machida elusive and Tito Ortiz hopelessly confounded by that elusiveness — is right in line with the plans of the UFC brass. Funny how that works, isn’t it?
I’m not saying that Rogan doesn’t truly feel this way about Machida. For all I know, he does. But the mere fact that the UFC was looking toward a future with one of the fighters in the Ortiz-Machida bout and probably not counting on any such future with the other really makes it difficult to take what we hear at face value.
If it had been Ortiz circling cautiously away for most of the fight, relying on a few sporadic fits of action to win a decision, would Rogan have praised him for being so elusive? Or would he have suggested, in some roundabout way, that Ortiz was avoiding the fight?
The point is, we don’t know. We can’t know. But what we do know, what we’ve learned over the years, is the UFC does not cast off talent lightly. They have a way of shoving it out the door, and that alone gives us reason to wonder if what we’re hearing on a broadcast is a genuine perspective from Rogan or whether it’s the company line. Like it or not, that’s a problem.
To his credit, Rogan seems like an honest man who prizes his autonomy on some level. Mike Goldberg, on the other hand, seems like he’d say anything the UFC asked him to without even thinking about it long enough to understand what the words mean. But the fact that we have cause to ask these questions at all is troubling.
How you feel about Machida’s fighting style seems to be a personality test of some sort. Does his strategy of avoiding the action until he can engage on his terms make him boring, or does it make him tactical? Has he figured out a style that takes a lot of the risk out of MMA, or has he merely figured out a way of not fighting and still winning?
You could make an argument for both perspectives, so it’s not as if we can accuse Rogan of trying to put over an undeserving fighter with pro wrestling-style hyperbole. At the same time, this is something that’s fairly unique to MMA right now. The NFL doesn’t get to choose the broadcasters for its games, and while you may get a healthy dose of bias watching your local baseball team on TV, it’s so overdone and understood that it doesn’t have much impact.
Fighting is a different sport that way. The commentary, particularly in a fight that goes to a decision, can shape the way we view it. It’s a lot like watching a “Rocky” movie with the sound off — suddenly you become acutely aware of just how fake it is.
Imagine the effect that a glowing commentary can have on fans who are newer to the sport, who aren’t sure whether what they’re seeing is good or bad. A close decision can easily be made to seem more lopsided. A boring fighter might even seem a little more exciting. So much can be changed by having someone in your ear telling you what to make of it.
I’m not sure what the answer is for this problem. Part of Rogan’s job is to express an informed opinion, so on some level we’re either willing to trust that he’s being forthright with it or we aren’t. Maybe the solution is for the UFC to work on a more even-handed approach with their fighters, even the ones they want to get rid of. There’s no need to make it personal. If they don’t want someone on their roster, it’s fine to let them go. They don’t have to discredit them or make them look bad to justify the decision.
Hopefully the UFC learns this soon, and then we can go back to assuming that opinions expressed by Joe Rogan are his alone, even if we disagree.
(-Ben Fowlkes)









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commentsBoring.
Khalib Machida ftl.
What he is good at is running away. He runs the whole fight until the other guy gets bored and then comes in and does his cheap shin kicks.
Machida is a point collector not a fighter.
Also, just as a side note, my friend who hated the fight was also the one who knew the least about MMA. He just wanted to see blood and people smashing each other in the face.
The UFC needs something other than ten point must. Why not have the Pride rules. The winner tried to finish the fight or got the closest to finishing it. That should be enough to provoke someone to at least try to finish.
This is coming from a website that is actively involved in a promotional circle jerk with Kimbo Slice. Way to stick it to the man, Mr. Integrity!
I geniunely enjoy and appreciate Machida's skills, so naturally I think it's hogshit that you're passive aggressively calling out Rogan as some kind of corporate talkbox because he understands the talent that Machida possesses.
Im not saying it was the most fun fight to watch, Machida relied on Ortiz's mistakes, but Ortiz made few of those. Stick Machida with forrest, rampage,wanderlei,shogun,tiago,chuck and things will be different (personally i think he can finish most of those guys) but it wont be boring.
"TheFeniX - you, sir, are clearly an idiot. No one says that Tito pioneered GnP - people say that about Coleman."
I said he pioneered it when?
What I said: "They don’t call him a pioneer of ground and pound because he lays on people for a decision."
Read. Comprehend. Post.
You don't have to "invent" something to be a pioneer with it.
If you don't like ground and pound fighters or don't find them "exciting," whatever. I personally don't give a shit. But down-playing the skills of a fighter just because you don't like how they fight is retarded.
And don't even put Machida in the same circle as someone like GSP. GSP takes fighters into their own world and demolishes them. He beats guys like Koshcheck at their own game (wrestling and take-downs). He gets himself into a position where (on paper) he should be at a disadvantage, and then proceeds to dominate. The rest of the fighters on your list do it all and casual and hard-core fans actual care to remember their names. Why is that?
How about because Silva can and will knock your ass flat with pin-point punches while back-pedaling. How about because Penn might on paper be better suited to submit a guy, but he's also more than willing to knock their teeth out. Just because you can coast to a decision victory doesn't mean you should. Many top level fighters live by that, Lyoto doesn't. That's why he's not as popular as the others on your list. That was the whole point of my post which flew over your head.
Lyoto constantly keeps the fight in his world, working where he has the advantage. And I've yet to see any fighter give him a real go at taking him out of his comfort zone. That shows a lot of talent on his part, but also a lot of weakness in the fighters he faces.
When he finally gets that fight in the UFC (or where ever) when his back is against the wall (not just figuratively) and he's pressured relentlessly and he comes out on top, then he'll deserve to be listed in the same league as guys like GSP and Silva.
TheFeniX - you, sir, are clearly an idiot. No one says that Tito pioneered GnP - people say that about Coleman.
Tito has finished a lot of fights in his time, but that doesn't make him an exciting fighter. Here is a run down of a typical Tito victory: charge opponent, take down, hit with elbow, repeat same move for 3 rounds, put on stupid t-shirt.
He is the very definition of one-sided. Machida and others (Silva, GSP, Penn) can do it all, and that's what makes them exciting, because you never know what is coming next.
split decision.
And you got to admit that the feint kick into Tito's face was pure art.
As far as coloring this fight int he eyes of the fan, to me, their worst offense was saying that Tito has blocked the headkick. That'd be the same headkick that split his eye open. Which he didn't block.
Or maybe it was when they said he was close to the triangle. He simply wasn't. Now, before you bash my inability to watch fights, I ask that you check out a replay of that scene in slow-mo. What you'll see is that the moment Tito figure-fours his legs, Machida bends his right arm and draws his shoulder down to create space and prevent the triangle from choking him.
That is why Tito went to the Armbar. The armbar was close until Machida rolled, landing with his arm safely elbow-down, removing the fulcrum from the lock. And winding up countering the position in the same way that Rich Franklin did against Travis Lutter. When Franklin did it? He was hailed for his brilliance, Machida on the other hand is being called lucky.
I don't think we have much to worry about with regards to Rogan's honesty, if there was I doubt he'd be directly contradicting Goldberg when Goldie said that Sherk was "in the pocket". That said, it's always good to let em know we're watching.
Also, dear fans, learn some fucking JiuJitsu so you know when someone is in trouble or not. Or don't, whatever.
Machida had an opportunity to become a beloved fighter, he blew it with a boring cowardly performance.
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