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The Women of Elite XC vs. Dana White

The UFC’s reluctance to put on female fights became a topic for discussion on Tuesday’s Elite XC conference call. Shayna Baszler and Christiane Cyborg, who will square off on the CBS portion of the card, each had different though equally telling responses:

QUESTION: When asked if he has any interest in setting up any female divisions in the UFC, Dana White politely questioned the depth of talent. What is your response to that?

Shayna Baszler: I don’t care what Dana White has to say. If he wants to question the depth of talent; that is just going to give companies like EliteXC one more thing to tap into that he’s not. He wants to question the depth of the female division, but every fight, every female fight that ProElite has put on has been a showcase of women’s talent and has been “fight of the night” type material. If he wants to give that avenue to others to pursue, then, fine. The more the merrier. I don’t care. I just want to fight the best. I don’t know, if he wants to question that, then I’d question the talent of his heavyweight division.

Cristiane Cyborg: I’d love to fight Dana White to show him how tough women are.

Oh, snap! Ok, not really. He never questioned their toughness, which makes me think Cyborg misunderstood the question, and there is probably just as much reason to question the depth of women’s MMA as there is to question the depth of the UFC’s current heavyweight division, so we’ll rule that one a tie for the moment.

Something tells me White’s reasons for staying away from female MMA have more to do with his fear of public backlash if a woman gets severely injured on live TV, rather than concerns about the strength of the roster, anyway.

This remark about the KJ Noons-Nick Diaz situation from CEO Doug DeLuca, however, that’s a different story:

QUESTION: Is KJ Noons going to be in the arena and is there going to be any kind of footage shown of what happened in Hawaii with KJ and Diaz as part of the package of the Diaz fight?

Doug DeLuca: What happened in the cage in Hawaii is not something that ProElite or EliteXC is proud of. That’s not what the sport’s about. I mean, the one thing that impresses me on a daily basis, and I never cease to be impressed, is the sportsmanship of these athletes. Just the respect and discipline of these guys the way they care for each other. This is a community here and it’s not something that we’re looking to underline what happened there. That was an unfortunate circumstance.

There was a little bad blood, and I’m sure those two are going to get a chance to work that out in the cage down the road. I don’t know if KJ is coming, but (you won’t be) seeing the melee in the cage in Hawaii.

Really? Pro Elite is still acting like they brought Nick Diaz into the cage following KJ Noons’ title defense because they hoped for a gentlemanly encounter? Maybe they didn’t think Noons’ dad was going to go after the Diaz brothers like he did, but they also had to know what they were signing themselves up for, namely lots of middle fingers and some vague threats that only make sense about fifty percent of the time.

To insist that they were appalled when that lead to a minor fracas, well, that’s either completely disingenuous or an utter failure to understand cause and effect.

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Lilfighter- July 10, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I think all the comments that are back trashing the womens mma is ridiculous. Women should do whatever sport they want, is there right,and if Dana dosent want to allow a girl division for the UFC then it's his lost. I am a fighter and yes, I am a girl so what, i frankly dont care who is sponsoring the fight or where I am fighting at,as long as I get my fight that all I care about.
IDLETGINACARANOPEEONME- January 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm
GINA CARANO IS A REALLY GOOD FIGHTER. YES I AGREE THEY SHOULD ALL BE NAKED! I CAN IMAGINE THE OCCASIONAL TITTY PLOPPING OUT ON PPV WOULD BE ONE HELL OF A RATINGS BOOST. THERE IS TALENT IN THE WOMENS DIVISION! AND IF THE UFC WOULD PUT ON WOMENS MMA THE DEPTH OF THE POOL WILL DEEPEN! I THINK THAT IF IT HAPPENS THAT THEY SHOULD DO IT ON DIFFERENT CARDS. MEANING FOR EXAMPLE... "WUFC" A COMLETELY DIFFERENT PPV AND EVERYTHING. THEY SHOULDNT BE ON THE SAME CARD. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WOMEN WHO CAN FIGHT ARE JUST DAMN SEXY. IVE GOTTEN A CHUBBY EVERYTIME IVE SEEN GINA BUSTIN SOME OTHER BITCHES FACE! THAT GIRL IS SO FINE, ID LET HER PEE ON ME!
Anonymous- January 19, 2009 at 9:00 am
I can understand how someone wouldn't want women in the mma. There just isn't enough competitors and ppl have a problem with women fighting. But for you to say that they shouldn've never let them out of the kitchen is something an ignorant little f**k would say... And I don't think you want to be thought of as that way now would you? haha get a clue, take a deep breath, and think before you open your mouth..
Girl Fighter- October 16, 2008 at 12:21 am
chicks are more flexible and vicious. They have hip jounts that accomadate better knees and kicks. Most guys dont' want to sleep with a girl that could kick their ass, fine, but why be bitter toward them fighting?
Homer J. Simpson- July 22, 2008 at 10:16 pm
"Girls should stick to girl sports like Hot Oil Wrestling and Foxy Boxing and such and such."
DonnyG- July 22, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Wow. Nothing like an article about the legitimacy of Women's MMA to spark a stiring passionate debate, with multiple points of view being argued and all sides putting forth compelling arguments.

At any rate: Watching Women fight is fine by me. I would rather watch to chinks bang it out than watch Koschek dry hump .

Dana's point is that there are not enough talented women participating right now to fill an entire weight division at the UFC level. As far as I know he has never ruled out a Womens's division completely.
vegan- July 22, 2008 at 8:56 pm
hey whats wrong with veggies :-( go tell that to mac danzig
Tapoutsucks- July 22, 2008 at 7:59 pm
"First of all you all act like woman are frickin sex objects and not humans with feelings which is really wrong on your part." STFU U FUKING HIPPY! go eat some veggies and go to your peta meetings.
Armbutt- July 22, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Second of all, what are you talking about?
tapout15- July 22, 2008 at 7:29 pm
First of all you all act like woman are frickin sex objects and not humans with feelings which is really wrong on your part. But I do agree with Dana White fighting and woman just dont go together. Maybe grappling though.
kablamo- July 22, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Chick fights are lame.



"You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down." Come on CP. Fix this shit.
youfags- July 22, 2008 at 6:58 pm
how can you homos watch two guys nut-hug, but 2 chicks going north south makes you queasy? nutgobblers! let chicks fight, in oil. but no basketball, that's boring enough when guys do it.
w- July 22, 2008 at 6:43 pm
watching females give me bj's is fine with me
ADW- July 22, 2008 at 6:42 pm
This is one of the few times that I agree with Dana White 100 Percent. I watched an Interview with Dana and he said that there nobody wants to see women in the cage. I don't think that he ever said that there wasn't any talent. He is correct. There is not a bi enough fan base to warrant having women in the UFC. If there was you could bet your ass that Dana would be the first to jump on the bandwagon and make more money. There isn't any sexism involved, unless you blame the millions of MMA fans who don't want to watch. Dana White is just being honest. Another factor is the fact that there is NO MONEY to be made in Women's MMA. So nobody will dedicate their lives to it, which keeps the money out, which keeps the talent away (quite the vicious cycle).

As for me, I am all for women's MMA. Athletes are Athletes no matter the sex. But I look at boxing and the WNBA and think that there is no point.
Armbutt- July 22, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Watching females do BJJ is fine with me.
Kim Couture is a cunt- July 22, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Fuck her, pig. She wants to fight a dude? I'd love to be her huckleberry. Cunt.
Anonymous- July 22, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Women shouldn't be in fighting sports. It's an ugly affair and an affront to femininity. No one wants to watch it because there is no appeal in women hitting each other.
bobaahh- July 22, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I have question for Dana: hows taste my clit clit??
Keepwomenoutofmmaandmakethembenakedallthetime- July 22, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Women should be nude all the time. Then maybe they could fight each other during intermission or something.
Keepwomenoutofmma- July 22, 2008 at 3:50 pm
The truth is no one cares about, or wants to watch women fight. Women's boxing is boring, women's sports are boring. We should've never let them out of the kitchen.
Brad- July 22, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I think Dana is correct. Womens MMA has few real competitors at the moment and the divisions are not really set up properly. I don't see how you can gain momentum with it when you only put one female fight on a card. Honestly, female MMA does have a chance to become a watchable female sport, but it will always be hard to find good talent who are dedicated to it. There is a reason the Canadian womens hockey team always wins and that is that it's always the same ppl on the team. When there is no money to be made in the sport yet for women it is hard to get talented people to commit to it from an early age (which is what you need to have high level people to make it watchable and marketable.) Dana knows what he is doing.
And on the HW comment...I honestly could care less for the devision save for a few fighters like Fedor, AA, etc. They are mostly boring fights (look to Affliction for evidence of that.) you need to have very onesided matchups for the most part to make a heavyweight fight entertaining.
Patrick- July 22, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Yup.
Armbutt- July 22, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I actually thought that Gina Carano's fight was the fight of the night last Elite XC. So fuck to you.
Patrick- July 22, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I find watching womens MMA to be only slightly more entertaining than watching WNBA.
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