
(Photo courtesy of ryanmcfadden.com)
Yeah, about that Fitch/Gono fight: It’s not going to happen because Jon Fitch, the UFC’s former #1 welterweight contender, and one of only three fighters to ever achieve eight consecutive wins inside the Octagon (the other two being Royce Gracie and Anderson Silva), has been fired. MMA Mania breaks it:
Jon Fitch was today handed his walking papers for refusing to sign an agreement that would give the promotion exclusive lifetime video game rights to his name and likeness…
Christian Wellisch — who also didn’t ink the paperwork — was also released. Others who do not sign the agreement could also be let go in the future…
Fitch was apparently approached about the issue when he turned in his signed bout agreement to fight Akihiro Gono at UFC 94: “St. Pierre vs. Penn 2? on January 31. And when he and his representatives attempted to negotiate the video game deal it was all or nothing. He didn’t sign it and was terminated shortly therefafter.
Give us the exclusive right to use you in video games forever, or you’re fired. Let that sink in for a moment. Wellisch may not have been going anywhere in the UFC’s heavyweight division, but Fitch is a top-five welterweight — an enormous asset for any MMA organization — and to drop him over something so ultimately trivial is pure insanity.
Kevin Iole adds that Dana White no longer wants to work with American Kickboxing Academy fighters or anyone represented by DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook, which includes Josh Koscheck and Cain Velasquez:
“We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny,” White said from Honolulu, where he flew Wednesday from Toronto to hold a news conference to announce the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31 in Las Vegas.
“Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them.”
[Cain] Velasquez, one of the sport’s rising stars, clearly is on the outs with White. White said Zinkin wanted standard language that is part of every UFC fighter’s contract removed from Velasquez’s deal.
“Can you believe that?” White said. “Chuck Liddell has that language in his contract. Randy Couture has it. Anderson Silva has it. And Cain [expletive] Velasquez, with two [expletive] fights, wants us to change it for him? That’s [expletive] nuts. He can get the [expletive] out.
“I’m not a douche bag and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We’re in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We’ve worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that.”
While he acknowledges that it’s unlikely another company would want to put him in a video game in the future, Jon Fitch didn’t feel comfortable with signing away the rights to his likeness forever:
“Working for free and selling our rights away for lifetime, that’s a little different. We tried to negotiate five- or 10-year deals with them, but it wasn’t good enough. It was all or nothing. He wanted our lifetime. He wanted our souls forever…
He wanted us to sign [a previous] merchandising agreement, and it was not a very good agreement. There was not really a reason for us to sign it. The first thing they brought to us was for us to sign all of our rights away for everything forever. It was for very small compensation, and there was no compensation for family members if we were to die. We could die and they could make memorial figurines and stuff and make thousands, millions of dollars, and our families wouldn’t see a penny of it. The way they bring the contracts and stuff to us, I don’t know, it’s just not how business is done.”
Fitch added that the UFC “has taken care of me and you’ve never heard me complain about money. This is a respect thing…I’d only like a little bit of respect for the blood I shed for this company.”
Respect — the same concept that led to Randy Couture’s year-long exodus from the sport. It seems that it’s still in short supply in the UFC, though Dana White still places the blame for this fiasco solely on the AKA fighters’ management. As he said last night on The Carmichael Dave Show in Sacaramento:
“It has nothing to do with an agreement. It doesn’t have to do with Jon Fitch either. I like Jon Fitch. I’ve never had a bad word with Jon Fitch. The problem is with the idiots that run AKA. I won’t use any names; the idiots know who they are…
I’m trying to run a business — bro, I live on a plane 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That’s all I do is fly everywhere to try to build this company. And these guys think this thing is so big and these guys start negotiating all this stupid stuff like they’re Mel Gibson…
Listen, this is just like any other job. You don’t want to work for me? They’re plenty of other opportunities out there. The t-shirt guys are trying to start their own business. Get in business with them. Do it with somebody else. If you don’t want to be in business with me? Then you don’t have to be in business with me. It’s simple as that.”
Now is not the best time for a fighter to be unemployed and on the outs with Zuffa. Will this kind of exploitative pressure be standard operating procedure for the UFC as their competition continues to die out? Bad, bad times. We’ll keep you posted…


Comments
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:30
looks like dana is turning UFC itto the new WWE
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:34
"the more you tighten your grip the more fighters will slip through your fingers"
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:37
Dana has gone too far...I pretty much backed the guy in most of his positions but this is complete horseshit. Jon Fitch was a top 3 weltereweight and one of the coolest fucking guys ever . This is bad bad news. So is he going to tell koscheck to leave his camp or take his walking papers??? fuck....thats all i can say is fuck
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:37
Sign away a "likeness" for life? Come on now if thats true its horseshit. Normally I dont side with fighters about contract disputes since in the end they make the choice to sign a contract or not but this is beyond that. I totally agree with the fighters on this one! How do you sign away a likeness? So if Fitch did sign that agreement and his fighting contract expired and he left the UFC, the UFC could still use his likeness forever? Or would that agreement also expire? That would the info that I want to know.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:39
Dana White is an ASS. I hope more fighters say no and get "fired". Dana White will kill the UFC. The crazier Dana White gets, the more likely it is that the fighters will start a union. Dana White is a fucking idiot.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:39
Man, I hope Affliction pays Finch 200K to fight... He is one of my favorite fighters and one of the best in the world. He will be a great asset...
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:44
"Not after Dana demonstrates the power of this organization. In a way, you have determined which figher will be destroyed first..."
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:51
Please add your thoughts in the forums. I'll print it out and mail it to Dana's psychotic ass. What an absolute joke, if you agree that the UFC is being ridiculous with it's demands at this point PLEASE do not buy another PPV.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:58
I love how just because most other big fighter was stupid enough to do it, then everyone else is stupid if they don't. Screw you Darth White. These people are not your slaves.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:58
"UNLIMITED POWER!!!!" Sorry, too many Star Wars references not to get in on it. Strange. DW usually makes me smile w/ his cursing and bravado. This, well, it just sucks. Fitch is a great fighter, entertaining as hell in press conferences and such, and seems like an all-around great guy. I'm w/ him on this one. I don't think I could sign away my likeness and name for a "lifetime". Especially w/ no benefits to family if I were to die. Doesn't seem like DW understands that at all. That's a bit unsettling. "Execute Order 66!"
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:59
More and more I see a problem with the UFC operating as a business that owns it's fighters. What if every baseball team was owned by one entity and getting fired from one team meant you weren't going to be working on any other team because they all, ultimately, had the same owners? That's not how sports generally work and the fighters are coming out the losers more and more by this almost mafia-esque running of the largest MMA fighting organization. The way these public contract disputes sound, the UFC contracts are completely one-sided. They're set up so that the UFC can walk away at any time but, the fighters can not. Plus, if a fighter does get dropped, it seems the contracts state that the UFC is free and clear of any further obligation to them. There's no severance involved. They just pack up their bags and get out like a bad reality show. It reminds me of all the musician contract stories we all know where bands used to sign away everything making virtually nothing while the record execs were rolling in money. The problem here is that the fighters need exposure. They can't get it in the smaller shows and that prevents them from getting sponsors. That's where they make their true money and Dana White knows this and leverages it like a loaded gun--Sign my terrible contract that yields nothing from me but does offer the possibility of sponsorship deals VS. pull the trigger and die fighting for a few thousand bucks in some local shows. The fighters are screwed, and while it might not be a fast-paced destruction, Dana White and the UFC are ready to tear apart their business much more quickly than it took them to assemble it in the first place.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:04
This makes no sense. I'm sure Dana White would never sign over his likeness for unlimited use. He has seriously gone too far! Fitch should definitely still be in the UFC -- Dana White loves his power trip! Fucking Egomaniac.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:06
It's a business you morons. Who the hell does Fitch think he is? Well I'll tell you who he is now. A nobody. There you go buddy, you wanted to make money of your figurines and baby dolls instead of showing some good faith and do something for your company, well here you go, good luck finding a job with that mashed brain of yours. See you soon puring me a new driveway.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:07
this gives us bad names we fight for fans and ourselves
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:08
Complete horseshit. Usually I can find some sense in the things Dana does, but this is fucking asinine.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:12
This is insane, this is the first time I've ever not been on the side of UFC/Dana White... For someone to get fired over not wanting to give their likeness away for life is insane
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:12
damn, dana... here we are saying that you've done so much for the sport, heaping all this praise on your business accumen, and you start kicking us in the nuts like this? wtf bro? from what i read, the contract is pretty unreasonable. and just because a fighter doesn't want to sign THAT contract, does that exclude him from fighting in the organization? so make the video game without fitch -- what's the big deal? then fitch doesn't get his video game check and loses out, but the ufc can still say it has the most talented stable of fighters in the world. i don't think this is a smart business move, dana. just my opinion.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:16
itll start to get interesting... with affliction already having the best heavyweights, itll be interesting if they can start signing guys like fitch, kos, swick and other ppl from AKA, along with other notable free agents like robbie lawler, jake shields, jason lambert, marcus aurelio, gina carano, cris cyborg affliction may be a little more dangerous then once thought ought to be dana white...if i were u i would be careful.... nothing stops a bunch of fighters who kno each other to just jump ship and move to a rival organization we aren not fans of the ufc, we are fans of MMA, and we will watch whoever puts on the best product but if u start losing some mto the games best fighters, well continue to watch them...not you!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:18
I could understand most Dana White's decision as those of an aggressive businessman who was working hard to build the sport but this beyond the pale. No one should have to give up their likeness for life. I agree with the glza, just do the game without fitch and let the fights continue. I'm buying the next PPV with Fitch no matter what
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:22
All your fighters are belong to us
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:25
@Polish: Done and done.... so much for buying UFC 92. Now I'll just wait for clips on-line. Fuck paying for the cow anymore....
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:26
Does this mean I can't play the new UFC video game as Christian Wellisch? Well that..... isn't so bad, I supposse.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:26
This is absolute crap. Fitch is one of my favorite fighters. The guy is exciting and has an incredible record. I don't blame him for a second for not signing that contract. Forever...really?!? That is a little absurd. I can see them having your likeness while under contract, but forever? Dana doesn't want to work with anyone else from AKA? Who else do you think will go next? I know Kos fights under AKA, who else? I hope Fitch finds a new home fast, because he is amazing and it would be a shame to not see him fight on a bigger stage any longer. I can't wait for those "T-shirt Guys" to pick up all these fighters and start really giving the UFC a run for thier money.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:27
complete horseshit. everyone with any sense and a love for MMA would be and is pissed about this. to talk so much anti political fighting policy Dana throws his weight around like a Mafia don. I wouldn't sign that kinda shit either and i hope more fighters stand up to this kind of trash. Let people fight and make a living. was anyone not gonna buy this game because john fitch wasn't in it. it's just bull shit.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:30
Slowly turning into Don King. Dana is! A great loss Fitch will be! GSP apart, a better fighter in that weight class their is not!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:33
"Man, I hope Affliction pays Finch 200K to fight" Wow! Affliction is going to fight birds now! I knew they were in trouble but fighting birds is a new low.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:34
None of Dana's shenanigans have bothered me in the past, I pony up for every PPV event....but I call bullshit on this. Firing a warrior like Fitch over such a fucked up issue is insane. And now Koscheck could be gone? Lose enough fighters, and have Affliction pick them up...be careful what you wish for Dana.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:35
This whole situation is about Dana making an example out of Fitch. Let this be a warning to everybody else in the UFC. ...and yes, Dana was on his period when he fired Fitch. You know how "emotional" he can get when its THAT time of the month.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:37
this is absolute horseshit
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:40
I fucking hate dana white, he's a punk ass bitch
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:45
Like Wu-Tang said: "C.R.E.A.M." Martial arts shouldn´t be about greedy people (read: Dana White and whoever) making more money into their pockets... it should be about martial arts and artistist... when the reason to promote and organize fight nights is about how many PPV you sell or how much you make money from beer-ads, it´s going completely wrong... or at least thats what i think... and for all the whiners: i´m not saying ufc shouldn´t make profit for organizing fight nights etc. but when the profit becomes the main reason for your actions in a martial arts organisation and you kick people out beacause they don´t hand over the permission to rule your life... it sucks ass very very much!!! it´s not like any other job... you don´t get your ass whooped working in a factory... and you take the risk of getting brain damage working as a waiter... and event though dana white is a real businessman i bet he couldn´t have fighting as a job no matter how much he can bench-press.. you can´t compare flying around the world and thinking more ways to make money to fighting in cage or octacon or whatever... though flying and jetlag and calculating profits is so damn stressful... (sarcasm)
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:45
Jon Fitch = my new favorite fighter
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:46
Fitch is an innocent bystander. Dana is just teaching AKA a lesson. Fitch will be back. He won't be in the video game, but he'll be back.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:50
Ahh, framing. Why not this headline? He did know the consequences of not signing the agreement. Total Horseshit: Jon Fitch *Quits* UFC Over Video Game Licensing
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:55
More big business bullying the working man. Dana, Shame on you...what...not enough millions in your pocket? Put your likeness in the games forever...oh yeah...you can't fight.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:57
If all the fighters said f**k this and stuck up for there own this wouldnt happen. Would the MMA Don King kick out GSP or BJ if they said F**k you i'm not signing it? the Fighters need a Union, MORE NOW THAN EVER BEFORE!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 12:59
if the video game is anything like their last one, no one will buy it!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:00
Dana wants to own his rights for a lifetime? This is not running a business. This is how to run a monopoly. And the bastard knows it.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:00
If any of these guys have a likeness that anyone will give a shit about now or in the future it will be because of the UFC and their marketing machine. Why should they build you up and then let you run off once they get you that exposure and let you screw them over for more money with a competitor??? Sounds like sound business practices to me. Cutthroat yes but sound. You guys need to remember this is a business its not a charity. You know if all the big names that WILL FOR SURE have likenesses that people care about like Chuck, Randy, Rampage, Brock, GSP, Penn ect. Have signed these same contracts guys whose legacy are a big question such as Fitch and Cain should not have a problem signing them. I mean come on Fitch got absolutely DESTROYED by GSP so as long as GSP is around Fitch will be a gatekeeper if he is lucky. Do you really see a lot of Fitch figurines and video games in his future? Do you see the UFC making millions off a Fitch tribute doll after he grows a crazy beard and drives off into the desert to die? Just another dumb fighter letting greedy managers make bad business decisions for them.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:08
Personally, I am reluctant to get pissed off when Dana refuses to let fighters play the Diva card. Two reasons: 1) It's his business. He's brought it this far. 2) Because I know the day promotions start giving in to fighter demands and paying them way more than they're worth, is the day my PPVs start becoming 2 lame-ass fights from fighters I've never heard of and 1 main event. Big, meaningful fights will only come 1-2 times a year. I think MMA will be there in about 10 years. Right now is the "golden age" of MMA. Enjoy it. It ten years you'll be telling your kids, "Back in my day, fighters fought 'cuz they were hungry. One PPV only cost $40 and it would have 9 fights and 5-6 big names on it!"
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:08
I agree that Dana White has gone too far this time. Jon Fitch was the wrong guy to pick on; he is a talented, likeable, and hardworking fighter.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:09
Total horseshit is right. Id also like to point out Forrest Griffin & Chuck Liddel are also with that agent, I havent heard their names mentioned in all this, are their names too big to be handed that ridiculous contract? All his fighters are here: http://www.zinkin.tv/athelets.asp Also a great article on the contract & how it breaks down: http://www.tapoutlive.com/images/mags/ufc_legal.pdf
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:10
"“Man, I hope Affliction pays Finch 200K to fight” Wow! Affliction is going to fight birds now! I knew they were in trouble but fighting birds is a new low." It's already human cockfighting. Might as well bring in the birds.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:12
Dana just screwed over the fight for the soldier ... so much for selfless charity. ASS.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:15
WOW, I am almost afraid of what is to come. Indeed this is a sad in MMA. I always knew Dana was tough but UNFAIR, shit, this does not look good. John Fitch is a top contender. Hell the guy is very marketable and he is well liked by the fans. I think Fitch won a huge fan base after his loss with GSP. The guy was gracious in defeat...u dont see many of those in the fight world. I realize Dana wants to keep the Monopoly of MMA but I think he is sacrficing too much. It is almost as if you sign your life away with one signs a contract with the UFC....the other problem is the UFC can break that contract whenever they want to...but the fighter can't. Either way it is a loose loose situation for the fighter. Dana needs to be carful...he is going to find himself with not many popular fighters to market. Things could get bad to the point of trying to Market Kimbo Slice....lol yours truly jrh
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:19
FUCK THIS I've backed Dana White on almost every decision. Even when I thought he was being kind of a dick, I stood up for the guys decisions because he has a track record of helping the sport. This is too far. I don't think Dana realizes that he's not only pissing off a whole bunch of fighters but he's now starting to alienate fans.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:20
Also you pay fighter more than they are worth you end up with Brandon Vera and that's the Truth.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:24
This is the first time I have been truly let down in the UFC. I generally think that the contract disputes are part of business and both parties are to blame but this is utter shit. I have been a loyal supporter of the UFC for years. I have not missed a single live ppv since UFC 55. With this news and the recent announcement that UFC 93 & 95 will not be airing for free I think it might be high time for me to miss another... which I will then watch illegally but whatever. It is the principle that counts, right?
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:24
"Come to the dark side..."
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:27
Does anyone wonder why I have been using this screen name for a long time?
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:33
This is great news hopefully I wont have to see Koscheck ever again either. Also They were just starting to build fitch and most non hardcores dont know who he is so his loss wont hurt them at all. Especially since they just signed Kang.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:34
Kudos to who ever made the musicians contract comparison. This bad licensing contract sounds exactly like ones new bands have to sign. However, most record labels figure it is better to renegotiate than to lose their potential revenue. The one aspect that really bothers me is that the contract does not allow potential revenue to go to the family in case a fighter dies. That just seems unfair and very questionable. I understand Dana not wanting to deal with overzealous managers but that is business. Padding your competitions roster is bad business.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:36
This is complete horse shit and we should all boycott the next couple UFC events. Seriously, all Dana cares about is PPV sales so lets hit him where it hurts. Spread the word and BOYCOTT bitches!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:38
@ Akthor It's not the terms of the UFC's proposed lifetime likeness rights agreement--it's the "take it or leave it" stance, with absolutely no room for negotiation, sign-it-or-you're-gone attitude. Fitch didn't think it was reasonable, and he tried to negotiate more reasonable terms (a 5- or 10-year agreement). Dana White said "fuck you" (as he is always wont to do) in his ever-so-professional manner. This sort of negotiating posture/business strategy only works as long as Fitch doesn't have another opportunity. An organization like the UFC works as long as most of the fighters (at least the top ones) feel that they are being compensated enough and respected enough to go into the cage and fight for Dana and the Fertittas. Once the scales start tipping too far into the promoters' favor, then you're going to see a big backlash from more and more fighters. Like other people have said, Dana better be careful what he wishes for. I've long wondered why there has apparently been no serious effort by the fighters to organizer and form a union (every other major professional sport has a players' union). If Dana continues to take such ridiculous stances, and throws caution to the wind in dealing with more of his top guys, then he's going to be staring at a union head that represents ALL fighters (instead of just the "idiots" at AKA). He could also be giving Affliction just the opportunity they've been looking for. As much as that organization has been struggling, you start handing them fighters like Fitch, Koscheck, etc., then all of a sudden Dana is going to be giving himself the legitimate competitor that simply doesn't exist right now. All due to his own arrogance and stubborness. Yes, the UFC has clearly done more for the growth and popularity of MMA than any other business or organization. But that doesn't mean it has to stay around forever with no competition, and it doesn't give Dana White the right to be completely unreasonable and oppressive. He and the Fertittas better realize that the MMA beast they've done so much to help create is a symbiotic one--it just doesn't work without the top fighters.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:52
"I’m not a douche bag and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We’re in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We’ve worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that.” says Dana "douche bag" White what he really ment. "I’m a [EXPLETIVE] douche bag and I do [EXPLETIVE] NOTHING for these guys, a lot [EXPLETIVE] LESS than any of you will ever know. YOUR in a [EXPLETIVE] horrible time in the economy now(but im great 4 ppv in 2 months :) money money money), and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a [EXPLETIVE] run at us. THE FIGHTERS HAVE worked too [EXPLETIVE] hard, given up too [EXPLETIVE] much, to let US [EXPLETIVE] with that, ESPECIALLY OVER A [EXPLETIVE] VIDEO GAME.” says Dana "douche bag" White On a side note i think Dana has the best nickname, that is after War Machine. HAHAH what an asshole. Jon Fitch, good luck, you are a great fighter. Josh Koscheck, you got a nice reward for helping out dana in that last fight huh? come in on 2 weeks notice give him a great fight, and then get fired. AWESOME DANA Cain Velasquez so your gone too, that sucks you showed us you can fight. Now all we have to look forward to is Shane Carwin who is getting people babyfeed to him,I'm guessing next we will see him fight a midget.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:52
Normally I would have something funny to say but this...wow. The NFL doesn't even operate on this kind of crazy. This looks like the beginning of the end friends. MMA'a honeymoon phase is officially over and we are about to see a whole new level of retarded shit in the sports industry.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 01:54
No matter what a human being should never have to sign his likeness in blood, especially not for a fight organization, and especially not for nothing. Fitch is correct, I can not understand how Dana couldn't offer these guys a percentage? This has nothing to do PPV% or regular merch%, it isn't like Dana fired them over a ridiculous demand, this is over saving face and in a business like the fight business I would like the think that [honor] should be everything to the often short lived UFC fighter.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:00
Dana is an idiot. He says he wants to build the company and AKA comes in negotiating like they're Mel Gibson. THAT'S THEIR JOB! Truth is, Dana wants the fighters to sign away their likeness so he can keep all the money to himself. He's not trying to "build a business." He's trying to rape the fighters and get rich in the process. Truth is, if you build the business there is more than enough money to go around. Greedy bastard. His strong arm tactics may have worked in the past but they won't work forever.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:01
It's time. fuckthisnoise.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:07
All B.S Aside what amazed me about this article and about the dozens of comments posted is apart from one or two idiot trolls we are almost 100% behind Fitch on this one. This is SO outrageous and so disgusting that it has literally bound all the varied MMA fans of the world together. The MMA World from the trainers to the agents to the fighters are DISGUSTED over this. This is SO Bad that i can honestly see a very real BOYCOTT of all UFC events and promotions. To own someones digital likeness FOREVER and with NO payout to family in the event of death is INDENTURED SERVITUDE ie SLAVERY. This type of disgusting contract clause almost destroyed Baseball and if it was not fought against and WON By Marvin Miller that most beloved of national pastimes may be dead today. For SHAME Dana. You have for all time shown the world what type of 'man' You are. A Loathesome, Foul mouthed, greedy, shortsighted Bully and SLAVER. If You redid the '10 most loathesome figures in MMA' list right now i cant see one person complaining about Danas well deserved spot at NO 1 on that List. You have SICKENED the MMA World Dana.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:08
So dana has begun building the entire business around lesnar. The same thing the wwe did and got it's ass screwed. I think the fighters should found a union, and make randy as it's spokeman. (or tito in my wildest dreams). Then ofcourse everybody who joined the union would get fired...
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:13
Dana White is now officially a dick, I mean yeah he runs a business but your dealing with people
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:14
all you could due is not order the next ufc. they pay brock way more than gsp, silva, couture penn what a joke. with how stacked the next ufc card is they think they will sell tons even with the problems they have here. don't order
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:15
"I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further."
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:20
Apart from the fact I'd love to see Koscheck's nappy fake blonde permed premadonna egotistical ass dropped on his obnoxious self-absored face, this completely sucks. Dana White knows he can pinch these guys for ridiculous crap like this because he's the one with the money in a floundering economy. Major props to Fitch for keeping a firm hold on his own balls and telling Dana to stick his waxed up dome in a bowling ball buffer. Let's see Dana sell lifetime rights for his likeness to Mr. Clean as an act of faith before he throws down a retarded ultimatum like this.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:22
TUF Guy Says: November 20th, 2008 at 7:06 am It’s a business you morons. Who the hell does Fitch think he is? Well I’ll tell you who he is now. A nobody. There you go buddy, you wanted to make money of your figurines and baby dolls instead of showing some good faith and do something for your company, well here you go, good luck finding a job with that mashed brain of yours. See you soon puring me a new driveway. TUF Guy is a fucking idiot and it is people like you that help this ego driven fool do what he does. By the way, it is pouring not puring me a driveway. With your mashed brain.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:31
Giving UFC "Exclusive lifetime video game rights to his name and likeness"…is the same thing the NFL players Union give to EA Sports w/ Madden's games...so realistically, this part is no different than any other agreement for video games. Fitch, Cain, and the rest of their crew better wise up before the ship sails...you don't want to be on the outside looking in to the UFC..
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:32
FORGET that Troll TUF Guy... hes the only tard here still sucking Danas Cock. Everyone else is behind Fitch and the rest of the fighters!!!! thats an amazing thing we can normally argue over EVERYTHING else but not this!! Just shows how fucked off we all are by this...all the other MMA boards are furious over this shit too! Some Awesome Comments above..especially Sweep the Leg, and Dana is a Slaver. The comparrisons between the musicians contracts and especially Baseballs indentured servitude bullshit are right on the money. What could be cooler than seeing an EMPTY Octagon during the next PPV because the fighters have all come down with a sudden illness...I.E Dana makes them SICK. BOYCOTT THIS SHIT.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:42
A lot of homotional people on here. IT'S JON FITCH!!! WHO CARES! It's OVER A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER!!! No wonder you guys bag groceries for a living...
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:42
What kind of power play is this?! Bottom line is that the UFC is the only real game in town...for now. For them to ask this of their fighters is totally unethical. Zuffa and Dana White have done tremendous things for this sport. I’m sure great sacrifices were made by both, but to ask your fighters, your employees, to sign their name and likeness away for the rest of their lives is just wrong.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:51
@Beer-Run I'd be really interested to see the exact terms of the NFL's agreement with the NFLPA on likeness rights. I don't know what they are (nor do we know all the exact terms of the UFC's proposed agreement with Fitch), but I can almost guarantee you the NFL agreement is tilted MUCH more in favor of NFL players than the UFC's is towards its fighters. Guys like Gene Upshaw and Troy Vincent would NEVER agree to terms that were as unfavorable to the players as the terms apparently "offered" to Fitch. The power of collective bargaining. A fighters union is coming. It's only a matter of time, and I know that once it is formed, we'll at look back at this particular situation as one of the major motivating factors that set the wheels in motion. Good idea, Dana. Way to think this one through. Your ego and hubris will only take you so far...then they'll come back to bite you right in the ass.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:52
YEY! another great day for the sport of mma. What a load of faaacking crap. I mean the only way mma would evolve to a sport where companies didn´t mean shit would be if it would be part of the olympics in some way. Dana is retarded for money
Wed, 11/19/08 - 02:54
haha keep fuckin up dana let affliction or dream take over, Fitch gained my respect in that gsp fight dropping him over a video game is BS, not a surprise tho this is why so many people hate dana and the ufc even tho they love mma. like the glory days of pride vs UFC its only a matter of time tell ufc degenerates into the number two organization again.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:07
Yes, boycott the UFC because they are tired of dealing with the prima donna management over at ATA. Smart. I'd like to see this contract. If every single other fighter and manager other than ATA didn't have a problem with it, then I tend to believe that Dana is being honest that the the big wigs at ATA are just being insufferable gas-bags. Lets not forget that there is a reason Pride, EliteXC (and all the smaller promotions it absorbed), WFA, IFL, Bodog, etc. have all gone out of business and the UFC has not only withstood, but has grown internationally.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:07
I'm usually a DW nuthugger, but I have to agree with Fitch on this one. Seems over the top. Fitch needs to stay in the UFC
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:08
I think Dana is in the right, he knows that all fighters want is money any way, he open the door to make money and now they don't want it "STUPID" this sport isn't 20 years or so long. you only get about 5-8 good years then it's over...look at Chuck L, Tito, Frank S.,Ken...the list goes on and on where are they no. some fight but only if the money is right nothing to do with heart any more...
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:10
"these fucks aren't partners with us fuck em" they're not if they were youd split proffits fifty fifty with them i think the fighters get 10%-15% right now. i smell a union coming.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:11
Didn't Randy or Tito have this exact same dispute over the original UFC game?
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:14
Everyone talking tough against UFC on this thread: Go into your boss's office today. Tell them you don't like the way they do business and tell them they have to make changes to one of their policies, just for you. Then see if you still have a job when you leave the office.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:16
Man this blows. I hate to see Fitch go over this crap. On a side note. In this picture Fitch looks like he was trying to make out with a Grizzly.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:17
Dana White? More like Dana Jew, amirite?
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:17
The UFC is supposed to be about the sport. For that bald fuck to cut one of the best fighters in MMA over video game money is a fucking disgrace. Dana White talks about loving the sport but if he could make this much money owning a dodgeball league he would be saying the same thing. Boycot the UFC. Fuck that want to be gangster. Right now he knows he's the only game in town, lets hope things change.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:22
Anybody who's trying to defend Dana, how about you go read the excerpt given above. I've been a loyal Dana nuthugger since I can remember, I even think the TUF show is good for MMA (I know of 2 different people who compete locally and have tried out for the show) ... but this is buuuuuhhhlllllsssshheeeeeeiiit
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:23
The only real thing we can do to teach Dana a lesson is watch ufc 92 on the internets and buy affliction's ppv.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:32
and it´also pretty [explicit] lame to diss people about making and selling t-shirts (they look cool though their [explicit] expensive) when your giving people the boot because they don´t want to be videogame characters and at the same time your sitting in an aeroplane playing with fighter action figures (their also kinda cool though their toys for kids)... cruel and confusing world this mma thing...
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:46
Juan Blanco Says: November 20th, 2008 at 6:39 am Man, I hope Affliction pays Finch 200K to fight… He is one of my favorite fighters and one of the best in the world. He will be a great asset… IF JON FITCH WAS YOUR FAVORITE FIGHTER CANT YOU SPELL HIS NAME RIGHT
Wed, 11/19/08 - 03:54
Wow. Complete bullshit. This is the last draw for me, I'm not going to buy another UFC event ever again. I'll watch their fights online. Fuck 'em.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:07
~~~ With his dismissal, Fitch said he will likely lose 75-80 percent of his sponsorship monies. Earlier this year, Fitch and other AKA fighters were asked by the UFC to sign a separate merchandising agreement in perpetuity. ~~~ Well, who is the stupid one here Jonny F? Have fun working as a labourer with a bucnh of illegal immigrants you fool.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:09
You guys got it all wrong -- FITCH is the one to blame here NOT-Dana. Fuck give Dana a break, he just wanted to play as Fitch in his bad ass new video game. I hope he goes to affliction and gets stomped. Where's my monster!?!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:12
i have never had anything bad to say about dana white ever but he really looks like an asshole and an idiot here. way too dumb of a reason to fire a fighter of that caliber.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:21
This is funny... go read some of the signatures... http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/FireDanaWhite
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:21
DANA.....Brock sperm really fucked up you
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:36
Why is TUF guy such a tool?
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:37
Dana is a idiot, i thought the couture dispute was the limit of how much of an ass hole he could be, but this is just over the edge. I always knew he was a little too strict but come one this is rediculous. Fitch is an amazing fighter and should be treated with resect. a lifetime is a long long time, and he maybe would be doing something else down the road and change his mind. ok enough complaining it does nothing.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:49
I hate koscheck but it cant be denied that he is a top fighter and dropping him is even dumber. Dana may of built the ufc, but he is going go bring it right back down. I am considering boycotting the ufc, but right now they have all the good fighters. Just a thougth, go to your local bar or hooters and watch the fight there, because you could enjoy the fights and not support the ufc. It might open his eyes.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 04:55
Shame on you Dana F. White. ......... (Dana Fucking White)
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:05
Bullishit!. Just complete bullishit letting Fitch go. This can not be good for the UFC in the longrun. I'm a big UFC/MMA fan but this is not good. Signing your exclusive rights away for a videogame and not getting any compensation! Who in there right mind wants to do that. Dana White fucked up. Cmon, you have to give the fighters something for using them in a video game. Tito's complaints of the UFC may not of been all bullshit after all.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:09
I'm a little behind on my mma news. Fitch may not of been cut from the UFC for the video game, but still. Letting Fitch and any other top 10 fighter go is a mistake. I don't want to see future UFC PPV full of TUF alumni. Fuck, Fuckity, FUCK!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:15
Apparently he HAS been on a plane for a long time if he thinks MEL GIBSON is still a star.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:15
Where's "UFC Fan's" take. I'm waiting...
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:15
stop the act, tool.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:23
Mike Says: November 20th, 2008 at 10:14 am Everyone talking tough against UFC on this thread: Go into your boss’s office today. Tell them you don’t like the way they do business and tell them they have to make changes to one of their policies, just for you. Then see if you still have a job when you leave the office. If i wasnt getting paid for a service then i sure as hell would complain. Also people talk to there bosses everyday making new polices and rules.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:30
What has everyone "extra" pissed off is the fact that it's Jon Fitch that's being fired. If it were Drew McFedries or some other second rate fighter, I don't think all of "us experts" would have as much to say about it. There have also been other reports coming out saying that it's just the guys with AKA being fired, and others saying it's just the guys managed by DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook being fired. What we need to do before we misspeak because, we don't know all the facts is just pay attention to what happens, and in the end, decide to continue to support the UFC or not. We may not even be on this web site if it weren't in part, for the sacrafices made by Dana White and the UFC. Everyone posting here fuckin loves the UFC, and they know it. They may not care for DW, but "WE" live for the UFC events and shows. It's the best MMA organization in the world. "Mike" that posted a little bit before mine said it best. Try walking into your boss and telling him that you have some demands to change one of their policies for you, and only you. Running an MMA organization must not be as easy as we would all like to think it is. Look at Elite XC, and Affliction. As MMA fans, lets not be disrespectful to the man and company who has consistently satisfied our craving for GREAT MMA exposure. He may not be right or even softhearted enough in our opinions, but what he has done for some of these guys like Jon Fitch, who could possibly be a no-body if it weren't for him, and us as fans is undeniable. Let's not make ourselves look like fools (hint to some of you posting stupid shit) by commenting without all of the facts, and commenting strictly on emotion.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:40
Yes! u guys go! tell Dana white how to run bussines! he is a nobody... just because he is the president of an $2billion corp. doesnt mean he knows what he is doing! unlike people making comments here! Im assuming every one here owns a bussines and has people working for you. Otherwise people here wouldnt be so critical without knowing how to run a bussines... because that would make you a CLOWN! UFC is a employer, fighters are employes. If the employer doesnt want the employe the employe gets fired. Im sure that when you are worth $2B and expose an sport like ZUFFA has, you prety much know what you are doing Most people here cant even keep a job at the f**ing local coffee shop. U CLOWNS!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:42
Dear Jay, Please explain the "sacrifices" Dana White has made for us. Your "Try walking into your boss and telling him that you have some demands to change one of their policies for you, and only you" is a load of shit. It's depressing to here people use the "I couldn't do it at my job" defense of White's policies, what were talking about is whether it's right or not. Dana White has a temporary monopoly on the MMA business and he is using extortionist tactics on the talent who's blood his wealth is built on, to cement this monopoly.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:46
TeQuila, I just had a specialist analyze your post and he has come to the conclusion that you are functionally illiterate. He also called you a douche bag. I think that is a technical term.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 05:58
Dana has crossed the line. When did this turn from about your fans and fighters to about owning someone's name in a video game for their entire life. I used to have so much respect for you because I thought you were a man's man. It just goes to show that showbiz eventually turns everyone. When you're sick lying in your deathbed Dana, reminiscing on old times, try and think about the good times in your life when you were an honorable man, not the time when you decided it was ok to SELL THE FUCK OUT.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 06:27
This isnt even about Jon Fitch. Every fighter may have been approached to sign this document. Check this out, its incredibly brutal: http://www.tapoutlive.com/images/mags/ufc_legal.pdf
Wed, 11/19/08 - 06:31
TUF GUY and UFC Fan are the same person -- I'm absolutely sure now. They are both huge, meatheaded UFC fanboys, to the highest degree. They're both greatly delusioned. And their only insults to all the people who rip on them involve homosexual activity.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 06:47
Thanks Cage Potato: I was starting to think you were not going to report on this in this manner. As for Dana, his natural Zionist Inclinations are coming out for all with eyes to see. And I hope many of you now realise why TUF was created. The Fertittas and their ass puppet Dana Fucking White knew that this was going to eventually occur; they're not as stupid as the Common Herd, and they essentially took the WWE Tough Enough concept and merged it with a Survivor concept to incrementally create a new fanbase that isn't really interested in good fights, but are brand obsessed. You "Hardcore" MMA fans better realise, like I have that your time is over. For any with a brain, go to www.fightsport.com and look up the Z Files. You'll see an interesting perspective on the background of the Fertittas...
Wed, 11/19/08 - 06:47
Video game money is a big deal these days it seems (look at the retired NFL players vs EA lawsuit). Dana keeps up these strong arm tactics, and he's going to get the last thing he wants: A Fighter's Union. You think negotiating contracts suck, try collective bargaining Dana. Whole 'nother headache there, and UFC is just getting big enough for them to start talking about one.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 07:14
@Chris Thanks for the link. Although I wish that the actual document was available, if the author has represented it accurately, then it is as we assumed...completely and utterly ridiculous. I'm an attorney, too (like the author), and let me say that THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL I would ever let any client sign that thing. Nor should any agent or management team allow their clients to do so either. In fact, I would be scared about facing a future malpractice suit from any client that I DID let sign it. It has to be one of the most one-sided agreements I've ever heard of. We'll probably never know what kind of negotiations/conversations/discussions were actually had between White and the representatives of the AKA fighters. But, assuming that they weren't being completely ridiculous, and that it was mainly White saying "sign this as it's written or you can go fuck yourselves" (not a stretch, given...oh, every single quote I've ever watched, read, or heard from White), then I think that clearly Dana White, the Fertittas, and the UFC are the ones with the massive reasonableness problem here. And let me say, that if more prominent guys than Fitch (GSP, Penn, Silva, Lesnar, etc.) have already signed this ridiculous thing, then good God. They better have asked for a TON more money than I've ever heard about them getting, or they need to seriously consider firing their own agents/attorneys/management teams. Because they effectively have signed their professional lives (outside the cage) away forever.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 07:38
wow. just .....wow. i like dana because or his no nonsense attitude but shit. this time......its just not right. dana you are one soulless mother fucker. if all the best fighters like fitch go to affliction then im buying their PPVs.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 08:04
dana white is the biggest idiot on the face of the planet. he's see potential in a few guys in certain weight classes and everyone else is expendable. anytime you have "forever" in a contract..it bogus. that means they arent trying to get enough out of the deal to pay for the over head and make some dough. they are tryin to make all the dough. i will be glad when a fighter actually breaks loose on dana and he gets his head smashed in. he riding on brock lesnar, gsp, and anderson silva. all of which are gonna be handed losses soon. actually all of them have embarassing losses. gsp to serra, brock to mir, and silva to chonan and about to be liddel. anyone who says dana white has done good for the sport is totally insane. yah he did good for the sport by strong arming other organizations so we have nothing left to watch but ufc? and he cant even pull a network deal? spike..CSI and UFC forevah! dana has failed all of us..and now there is no entertainment aymore except matches that should have happened years ago. fuck DW and the ufc.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 08:39
This is too far. I have always respected what Dana has done for the sport, but this is strongarm bullying tactics and nothing else. It is 100% reasonable for fighters to raise concerns like these.
Wed, 11/19/08 - 10:52
Fuckin dictator - Dana, you can kiss away my $45 bucks each month and go fuck yourself. You lost all respect, you retard!!
Wed, 11/19/08 - 11:43
Some guy wants my take on it another jackoff thinks I am tuf gay, wow that hurts. My take on this is : I was gonna buy the game.......now? fuck that dana can kiss my ass, all this shit over a video game? thats crazy shit DW, and I want no part of it. NOW you dumb fuck (DW), now you feed the monster known as affliction, and maybe you just gave it a reason to stay alive, cause NOW, if John fights for them, I am going to watch it dumbfuck white. I still think UFC is the best, but this move needs to be overturned by the fertita's. none of these forum assclowns could ever embarrass me the way Dana just did.
Thu, 11/20/08 - 04:30
UFC 94 FITCH VS. WHITE!!!!!!!!!
Thu, 11/20/08 - 04:31
UFC PPV FITCH VS. WHITE!!!!!!!
Sat, 11/22/08 - 02:05
dana white is a fucking idiot! i did not know people could be so stupid.
Sat, 11/22/08 - 02:13
dana white is a fucking idiot! i did not know people could be so stupid. !
Sat, 11/22/08 - 04:30
Any one of you guys run your own businesses? Do you know the costs to operate and the risks of global expansion? ... Probably not. There's a reason PRIDE no longer exists, WEC and IFC got bought out and Elite XC and it's assets are up for sale ... UFC fighters should be so lucky to have Zuffa replicate the WWE system, I don't see any professional wrestlers complaining ... I just see movie and merchandizing deals come along for them and if they are smart create thier own intellectual property opportunities in opening up gyms and providing instructional videos and manuals. Those who take the risks reap the rewards ... nothings stopping the fighters from creating own brands (Extreme Couture, Miletich Martial Arts, Tap Out, etc.). It's nice to get in, get paid and get out but that doesn't exist when you are a business owner. The fighters should either unionize like all other major sports organizations or find an alternative ... they have the choice ... there's no way Dana White could not sign unionized fighters if they truly are the best ... you think people want to pay and watch "The Replacements". When it comes to $$$ Ortiz and Couture have both disputed their UFC contracts yet still come back, why? The UFC and its owners made them who they are and know nobody else can provide them the same consistency and security ... unless you don't perform (Ortiz).
Sat, 11/22/08 - 04:39
Amazing how many of you grey hair fucks will support this fascist system right up to the point the Machine rampages to your door, and starts to chew through everything you have... Fucking scum. And WWE wrestlers don't complain coz they'r doped off of their heads on meds, like you moron. And the fact there is noone to complain to with any authority to do anything, because assclowns like you support this Totalitarian shit.
Sat, 11/22/08 - 04:44
And of course people will watch "The Replacements". Why do you think TUF was created? To lower the standards and expectations of the New fanbase ZUFFA intended to share with the WWE.
Sat, 11/22/08 - 08:14
Wow, what's with the personal attacks ... think it makes your point any stronger? What happened to taking accountability and excericising your right to have a choice. If you don't like it, get the fack out and start your own organization. He (or she) who holds the gold, makes the rules! You ever check the records of those from TUF? Forest Griffin was already a well known up and comer prior to them adding his to the show, same as everyone else they ask to join. ... they arn't picking these guys up off the streets. Everyone wants a hand out and everything given to them. Instead of whining and complaining about how "the man" has done you wrong and blaming everyone but yourself for your lack of creativity and ability to be self-sufficient, think of a solution as opposed to magnifying the problem. Get a job, pay some taxes and get the fuck off the welfare.
Sat, 11/22/08 - 08:21
Wow, what's with the personal attacks ... think it makes your point any stronger? What happened to taking accountability and excericising your right to have a choice. If you don't like it, get the fack out and start your own organization. He (or she) who holds the gold, makes the rules! You ever check the records of those from TUF? Forest Griffin was already a well known up and comer prior to them adding his to the show, same as everyone else they ask to join. ... they arn't picking these guys up off the streets. Everyone wants a hand out and everything given to them. Instead of whining and complaining about how "the man" has done you wrong and blaming everyone but yourself for your lack of creativity and ability to be self-sufficient, think of a solution as opposed to magnifying the problem. Get a job, pay some taxes and get the fuck off the welfare.
Wed, 11/26/08 - 09:23
Relax keyboard warriors. The merchandising deal on the table was very similar to what NFL rookies sign every year. It doesn't pay a fortune, but it's not like Topps or Fleer or Hasbro is going to strike a separate deal with Jon Fitch. The deal is made between the toy/card/videogame company and the UFC, so the UFC tries to get everyone on board. Just like the NFL. Stop whining. Fitch got bad advice. Maybe he'd only make $25,000 for the UFC licensing deal, but he'll make $0 for any non-UFC licensing deal.
Sun, 12/07/08 - 07:46
Yea maybe Dana is being desrespectful but u have to look at the economy right now, and out of all the mma company ufc seem to be the best out there and when and only when there are other big names out there u should try to negotiate with him. Also dana is kind of a dick but u have to deal w/ it
Thu, 01/29/09 - 09:22
This is very reminiscient of the early days of pro sports unions, just take a look at the creation of NHL players union. It was started by a few of the star players due to unfair labor practices by the owners. As a small business owner, I understand what it takes on a day to day basis to run a business, but what Dana White is doing is flat out wrong. If you respect your employees, they will work even harder for you. Consent is a much more powerful tool, than coercion. All I can say is that Dana White is treading on dangerous ground, as the next logical step in the UFC's evolution could very well be a fighter's union. History (NHL, NFL, MLB) has a way of repeating itself. Dana do what is right before it is too late!
Fri, 01/30/09 - 11:11
Umm ... hey genius ... its spelled employee. I'll be nice and just leave you with that tip for now ... but you should really work on your grammar if you want to talk shit to all of these "clowns".
Mon, 02/02/09 - 03:12
if jon fitch doesnt like it he shud fuck rite off. hes the only fighter to complain out of 80 and hes probably one of the least wanted on the game anyway
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