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Trainers Speak Out on St. Pierre Greasing Controversy

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BJ Penn‘s trainer Rudy Valentino to InsideFighting (via Fightlinker):

“To cheat to win is not honorable…Why need another edge? Our gameplan was on the ground, not striking because we knew Georges had good kicks. We planned to work off the back…[St. Pierre] was the better man but don’t cheat to win…
We just want to make sure it doesn’t happen again to someone else. It is not good for the sport. For their camp to be busted doing something bad like that, and then to keep doing it after the referee had warned them…I respect Greg Jackson but to do something like that, his integrity has been compromised.
[Greg Jackson] came to me and apologized for it, but to do it and then apologize after is a bit half hearted…[Penn's] legs slid right off because of the grease on his head and back. I’m not trying to make excuses for BJ’s loss…he took a lot of hits and St. Pierre was the better man that night but the extra cheating is bad for the sport.”

St. Pierre‘s trainer Greg Jackson claims the back-greasing was completely unintentional, and was actually the result of another bizarre Jackson camp ritual. As he told MMA Weekly:

"In between rounds, [team St. Pierre "witch doctor" Steven Friend] had this little drill that you do — and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it —he showed Phil, and this is what Georges wanted, so we did that…He rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don’t know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that’s supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that.
The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vasoline on Georges’ eyebrows. In between rounds, you always want to put on Vasoline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vasoline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest.
At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down’…and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers,’ but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all…
If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn’t do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing doesn’t make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wasn’t like we were taking gobs of Vasoline and slathering on his back…
The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous. You can’t grease somebody up. You just couldn’t do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there’s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win.”

Previously: BJ Penn’s Camp Files Formal Complaint Over Vaseline on St. Pierre’s Back Between Rounds

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freeufcdotinfo- July 6, 2009 at 3:17 pm
This will go on and on until a rematch is called.

The Can- April 11, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Cause he greased his legs? Penn was in halfguard most of the time
Rafael- April 11, 2009 at 11:28 pm
It's obvious St. Pierre greased his back and shoulders. No one can pass Penn's guard that easy. Not even St. Pierre (just see their first fight). Also watch the fight again and listen to the commentators. Joe Rogan was in awe of how easily St. Pierre was passing BJ Penn's guard. (Now we know why). Whether or not it would of had a change in the outcome of the fight is not the issue. Everyone deserves a fair fight-that's the issue. By the way the guy with the towel bearly cleane anything. Regardless Thiago Alves will beat St. Pierre.
Anonymous- March 8, 2009 at 12:25 pm
just for all of this stuff happening, I would like to see GSP beats up on Alves, Penn beat up on Florian (i think he's next in line?), then i say we see a GSP / Penn rematch, only this time GSP drops down to 155 to take the belt from Penn,

my name is .......i forgot- March 3, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Why are we still arguing about this fight? g.s.p came in prepared and in top physical shape and b.j just wasted his time eating twinkies and talking shit about g.s.p.! and when it was time to get into the octagon b.j realized that talking shit wasnt going to win him the fight. The whole greasing shit is just a way b.j tried to convince people why he lost instead of just saying: my fault guys i should of fucken hit the gym harder instead of acting like a little bitch and insulting a better fighter then myself. Not that b.j isnt good but natural talent is nothing without determination and hard work and g.s.p has it all.

P.s: the debate is over!!! if b.j isnt happy he could ask dana white to get his ass handed to him again by g.s.p

btw nice comment i`m randy lol
Anonymous- March 3, 2009 at 3:48 am
unitl any of you pussys get into the ring, you can fucken guess all you want. A fight can be won or loss in a matter of seconds. Any slight advantage, regardless if it is intentional or not, is a huge fucken difference. Take two ounces out of a boxers glove and see what a difference that feels like, faggots.
Anonymous- February 28, 2009 at 10:58 am
nb420- February 28, 2009 at 10:53 am
I had alot of respect for bj penn before he started talking all this shit, its pretty pathetic that he cant admit he got his down syndrome lookin ass handed to him! I love how he said "im gonna just go in there and beat his ass" in his annoying hawain accent. This was total domination and bj is used to always gettin what he wants cuz hes a spoiled little rich looser.He should gsp a "bj" before gsp shoves a pineapple in his gapping spoiled rich boy ass! He should stop talkin shit and accept a rematch so he can get beatdown again. he didnt respond after the 4th round, WHOS THE QUITTER?!? HMMMM...
Nukeblast- February 25, 2009 at 6:36 am
Best comment ever is the BJ coach that said the gameblan was to work from the back.

Yeah right !!! Pull guard against the best ground and pound, wrestling cardio freak of the UFC who've never been even close to being submit from rubber guard..... looks like a good strategy to me.

Real fight plan for BJ was to stand and catch him with a good hard punch ( doing a matt serra)....he just didnt had the chance to do it since he was gazed out after the 1st round.

GSP gameplan was perfect..... with equal cardio GSP wouldve been tired before BJ because he was the one pushing the pace against the cage and trying to take him down. Fact is BJ got tired before and couldnt do anything after that.
Anonymous- February 21, 2009 at 5:42 am
yeah. gay tards
Dubs- February 19, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I am a big G.S.P fan and my first thoughts were it was hogwash and B.J was being a sore loser, but being a man of evidence and facts I decided to watch the fight over a few times and I am very disappointed, I will tell you exactly why and encourage everybody to watch it again. Firstly, the wipe down with the towel was going from round 3 to 4. Watch After the "greasing" or "rubbing ritual" going from round 1 to 2, One minute into round two B.J. is on his back attempting to use his legs on GSP's upper body, they clearly slide off over and over and open B.J. up to some serious ground and pound that he never recovered from.
That said I believe B.J. would of lost, his cardio was pathetic, he was clearly unprepared. However that doesn't excuse what happened and it should be investigated so it NEVER happens again. Between B.J.s unpreparedness and G.S.P's slippery body, I feel very ripped off having purchased the pay-per-view event.
Anonymous- February 19, 2009 at 11:26 am
first of bj got his ass worked and if you look at this video bjs brother put up
it stops as the doctor is wiping gsps back off so for anyone to say gsp cheated is
bullshit bj was on vacation fighting on hawii time not vegas time and for you dumb asses thats three hours diffrent so bj is fighting at 1 in the morning gsp at 10 at night he was gased and didnt train properly 4 the fight he never held a dominate
position and gsp is a phenom Bjs camp get over your self GSP is in a diffrent
world bj get your dumb ass back to the gym and take the fact you got worked
savvy- February 17, 2009 at 5:31 pm
this is insane. bj is a badass but st. pierre is way badder, bj needs to lose with dignity. look at st. pierre"s previous fights no one can do a triangle on him or keep a high guard, it is easily defended by him. look at their first fight.(i suppose he was greased up then) maybe every fight since serra, oh yeah where is that one hit wonder. i believe st. pierre is not a cheater, never has been and never will be.
Anonymous- February 17, 2009 at 1:20 am
Ditto....the dudes lazy and spoiled. he may be king on the rock but outside he just cant match up. it sucks to see someone that had so much promise have to resort to this to try and keep his job.
Yoda- February 14, 2009 at 12:34 pm
BJ Fans need no lies from which you tell. Beat down because laziness you have. Failed you your camp did. Talking lots of shit did you.. "look take a moment and take your shoes off, go sit on your bed, think things over, and then go [profane] yourself." Owned where you by GSP. A shadow of a man you once where are you. Do or Do not there is not try
B.J. sucks- February 12, 2009 at 9:47 pm
This is an attempt by BJ and his team to get more money in another rematch. The dude quit on his stool. He had 1 good round in the first fight. Then he got dominated in round 2 and 3, then 4, 5, 6, and 7 continuing into the second fight. What makes him think a third fight going 5 rounds will be any different? I don't want to watch St. Pierre dominate Penn again, just so Penn can find something else to whine about. St. Pierre is in his prime and can't waste it with St. Pierre-Penn 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10...
EsquireJay- February 12, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Rematch. That simple.
rampaging- February 11, 2009 at 11:38 am
What a joke BJ and his corner is. Take your loss like a man you sissy. Next time I see BJ or his trainer, I'll slap them both on their fat head. Retire now . . . CRY BABY!!

findog23- February 11, 2009 at 9:24 am
what kind of cardio condition do you expect Penn to be in? he had to gain 20lbs. let's see gsp drop 20 and fight bj in the lightweight division. if he is so much better prove it in bj's class. i bet gsp would gas within first 5 min.
findog23- February 11, 2009 at 9:20 am
No matter who you like or dislike, the bottom line is that is was an illegal action and the entire team should face penalty. you can't not blame gsp. it was his guys and he is responsible for them. however, since his is the ufc's love child, they will do all they can to keep him from being held responsible. gsp probably still wins the fight but it still was cheating and they should face some stiff penalty. if not, what's to stop it again?
wda- February 10, 2009 at 11:31 am
Look. Here's the deal. Vasoline, if slathered on the body as BJ claims it was, would be a major disadvantage over the course of the fight. I wrestled in college. I know a number of guys who tried to slick up with vasoline before matches. Yeah, they were slippery. But, that much vasoline clogs the pores. Sealed. Their bodies could not dissapate body heat. The heat got trapped. Their pulses went skyward. Their body temps went through the roof quickly and they gassed right out in exhaustion. Last time they tried that. Point is, it wouldn't be effective IF they did try it. Definitely not over 4 rounds. GSP would have passed out from heat exhaustion long before. BJ needs to stay quiet before he makes the fool of himself.
wda- February 10, 2009 at 11:26 am
Well, that is hard to believe since steriods don't get shot in your arm, moron. It's not heroin. As for them being an advantage; comparing a dime-size slather of vasoline to a chemical that can increase your lean body mass and strength (and therefore advantage) almost 100% is just ignorant. Get off the page until you both read some books and live a little.
Kintama Chikara- February 8, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Just watched the fight, noticed that while BJP is working the rubber guard with his leg high on GSP's back, can see the skin on GSP's back wrinkling from the friction imparted.

From this I'll posit that while they're may have been vaseline applied to GSP's back illegally, it had little or no impact as to BJP ability to keep his rubber guard/high guard.

GSP consistently broke the rubber guard by proper positioning and posturing up. GSP defeated/nullified BJ's attempts at working the high guard thru the same techniques.

What to do about this farqing mess:
- Fine/bar/imprison the corner man for being an idiot
- Public flogging of the NSAC officials for being inattentive buffoons. (Rhetorical question: What the hell are all those red-jacketed lard asses doing standing around between rounds if they're not catching shit like this? Audience member had to call attention to it...)
- Fix the rule (UFC's already done this)
- Move on with life and drink a beer.... or in BJ's case, have 6 beers, 3 double cheeseburgers, half a pack of cigarettes and then go for an ice cream.
Anonymous- February 8, 2009 at 8:52 pm
its like the vietnam of mma america lost and wont admit it bunch o pussies
AnyEdge2win- February 7, 2009 at 8:50 pm
any body who ever boxed knows vaseline helps you in two ways. One from getting cut, and two for punches to slide off your face. You don't need a lot of vaseline, just a little sweat and vaseline will take you a long way. I'm just dissapointed first Ben Johnson from canada and now this, damn canucks ,