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‘TUF 10′ Episode 2 Recap: Too Pooped to Party

Last week, we saw one of the bloodiest fights in TUF history. This week brought us one of the ugliest, as James McSweeney and Wes Shivers proved that they’re not quite ready for primetime. Plus, Roy Nelson lands on Team Rashad’s shitlist and Kimbo Slice gets picked to fight.

The episode opens with Justin Wren and Roy Nelson talking about how they both want to take out Kimbo. Says Big Country: "I’ve been trying to get that one for years." Foreshadowing!

In practice, Rampage "got specialness" for Kimbo, and his coaches give the Miami Pound Machine a crash course on ground-fighting, while Kimbo tries to sponge it up. Meanwhile, Rashad Evans is feeling good about his team and wants to make sure his guys are mentally strong and moldable, but Roy spends most of his practice time joking around and pushing back against his coaches. Team Rashad assistant coach Trevor Wittman gives him a firm dressing-down in the locker room: "To me, you’re uncoachable…instead of listening, you always have a rebuttal…you got knocked out by Arlovski, do you want that to happen again? If you don’t want to keep it serious, I’m gonna ask Rampage if he needs another guy."

Roy Nelson calls his experience with Team Rashad a "clash of masters," and feels like he deserves some say in the way he’s trained.

For the second fight, Quinton Jackson chooses his sixth pick, Wes Shivers, to go up against Rashad’s #1 draft, James McSweeney — another odd choice. Rashad interprets it as a personal attack, but trusts that McSweeney will "walk all over this guy" due to his superior standup.

Team Rashad’s practice goes long due to a late start, and ‘Page walks in while they’re finishing up their "mental training"; Mike Van Arsdale is having the guys do some visualization while they’re sitting in a circle on the mats. Rampage considers crop-dusting them. "Get the hell upatta here," Rampage chants to Rashad. "Don’t say nothin’ tuhme," Rashad chants to Rampage, quoting one of Jackson’s own lines. As Rashad explains: "We joke around, we joke around, and the next thing you know, it’s an underlying ‘I want to punch you in the face’ kind of joking around."

Wes Shivers was drafted by the Tennessee Titans, was transferred to Atlanta, then washed out of football altogether. He has a titanium shoulder. Hearing his doctor say that he couldn’t be involved in athletics anymore due to his injuries was the challenge that inspired him to get into MMA. Rampage wants Wes to take James down and submit him. "Rampage obviously has confidence enough in me to rattle their team up," Wes says. "I’m not saying I’m gonna go out there to hurt James, but…shit happens."

Rashad gives his team a pep talk, and James is fired up. "Oh God I’m gonna fuckin’ kill him today," he says.

Wes Shivers has a three-inch height advantage and about six more inches in reach. But that shouldn’t be an issue for James, who compiled a 136-9 record as a kickboxer, right? Are you guys ready to see a terrible fight?

Round 1: As per Rampage’s instructions, Wes doesn’t touch gloves to start the match. James throws a leg kick and Wes makes him pay for it, rushing forward and throwing a barrage of punches with his frighteningly long arms. He clinches with James against the fence, then takes him down, winding up in half-guard. With his corner screaming at him to pass guard, Wes instead isolates James’s arm and tries for a kimura, but James escapes and gets up. They both pause to take a breath. Could it be that they’re already gassed? No…that would be impossible. James tries a high kick, and Wes low-kicks him in the nuts. After a brief rest, they restart; James tries to touch gloves, and is rejected again. Wes swarms with punches, and James tries a ridiculous jumping kick against the fence. Wes clinches, and James escapes. James is having major trouble getting inside Wes’s range, and is being chased off by his shots. James lands a jab and a leg kick. Wes leans his arm over the cage to take a rest. James works the jab, and Wes lands a straight right on James, who runs away with his back turned, not for the first time. James lands a leg kick to end the round.

In the commercial break, we learn that Kimbo Slice and Abe Wagner have both been shot before.

Round 2: Rashad wants James to keep it simple and fundamental. (i.e., no more jumping kicks, and try not to run away so much.) James starts with a jab and leg kick. His hands are down. A leg kick from Wes wobbbles him. Another wild kick from James, and Wes almost scores another takedown. James with a hard leg kick; Wes seems too tired to move out of the way or check them. Wes catches a kick and falls on top of James, moving to half guard. He tries for an armlock, then scores the mount, firing punches down. James gives up his back, and Wes tries for the rear-naked. James escapes, reverses, and winds up on top, but decides to get to his feet. Wes is beyond gassed, and Rashad shouts for James to go in for the kill. Instead, they just kind of stare at each other. Wes puts his hands on his knees and sucks air for a while, and James takes a breather of his own. Rashad is screaming himself hoarse. ("DON’T WAIT! DON’T WAIT!") A leg kick seems to hurt Wes, who rests on the fence. He honestly just stands there for a while with his hands on his hips, with James about 10 feet away from him. James comes in with a nice overhand right and a kick, but Wes takes him down. James tries for a guillotine choke, but doesn’t get it. Wes ends the round on top.

It’s a close fight, and looks like it might go to a third round, but Wes doesn’t want to get up. His eyes tell the story: No matter what happens, he’s done fighting that day.

The judges have made a decision: 19-19, and 20-18 x 2 for James McSweeney. Not that Wes Shivers deserves to advance after that performance, but two judges gave James both rounds? Seriously? The alleged kickboxing expert looked like a fish out of water.

Rampage claims responsibility for the loss, because he chose the matchup. "We’re in a pretty bad situation right now," he says.

With control of the fight-picks out of Rampage’s hands for the first time, Rashad picks Roy Nelson vs. "the big black buck with the greasy beard." It seems like a win-win pick for Rashad. If Nelson wins, his team goes up 3-0. If Kimbo scores the upset, maybe Roy will learn some humility and not be such a pain in the ass anymore. Anyway, Roy Nelson vs. Kimbo Slice, next week on Spike. Total insanity.

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UFC fan- September 24, 2009 at 5:28 pm
so far all the BIGGER fighters in each fight get an asswhipping, so goodbye Nelson you fat bastard it wasn't a pleasure seeing you run your stupid mouth to coaches, but it sure will a be a pleasure to see KIMBO beat your ass.
this last thing that happened I cannot even call it a fight, I have no idea what those bitches were doing but that wasn't a fight, I guess week 2 was about wannabee fighters.
Most likely all the washed up football players will be the same pathetic way.
831 Son- September 24, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Judging was fucking embarassing. Rashads number 1 pick looked horrible too. What a loser. And what the FUCK is up with these idiots coming on TUF with absolutely no cardio? Ridiculous and retarded.
Smitty- September 24, 2009 at 2:52 pm
IMO, one of the reasons we are seeing some of these pathetic performances is because, it was probably damn near impossible to find 16 heavyweights worth a damn to fill the house. That's why they reached out to these NFL players, old fighters, and nobodys.
ihateemo- September 24, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Uhm, wow. I was watching this last night and I gave both rounds to McSweeney.

Shivers' sole takedown in the first round netted him nothing; a few punches, a half assed submission attempt. Around the three minute mark McSweeney controlled the octagon much more, landing those leg kicks while Shivers backed off. I can see the argument for it being a draw as it was a razor thin round, but I was confident McSweeney edged out Shivers as he gassed out with a minute to go.

Second round, McSweeney swept Shivers after pulling out that RNC attempt and then followed him around the cage kicking his legs the whole time. Yeah, he was tired, but by that point Shivers had no offense left and he easily took that round based on the fact that his attack was more consistent and aggressive than Shivers.

Shivers was frigging done anyway.
Frank Mur- September 24, 2009 at 11:26 am
true that! Not liking Kimbo aside, I have to admit, that mother fucker looks pretty good. I initially was pulling for Roy because, without a doubt he has more expierience and skill than anyone in the house, (also, he's representing for the beer bellied fans) but Kimbo doesn't look like a "street fighter" anymore, by any stretch of the imagination. Roy just looks fuckin tired.
Catalyst8487- September 24, 2009 at 10:48 am
I may end up eating my foot, and my leg for this next comment but...

I think Kimbo is hungrier to prove he's legit then Nelson is to just win a fight. The fact that Nelson is already arguing with how he should train says to me that he isn't as hungry to improve.
DiazBros209- September 24, 2009 at 10:43 am
I'm glad the fight ended after 2 rounds because I didn't want to watch anymore. All 4 guys that have fought looked like complete shit. This has been the worst season of TUF so far. I can only hope that Roy and Kimbo will put on a show next week.
kellyman- September 24, 2009 at 10:22 am
I don't even see the point in arguing over who won that fight. When the opportunity was given to both fighters to end it, over and over, and neither one took it, they chose to leave it to the judges. James usually had his back turned, but Wes was buckling under those leg and body kicks; a couple more and Wes would have thrown in the towel. But James had no interest in listening to his corner! And Wes on the ground was anything but dominating. When he had James underneath him, desperate to escape, offering his fully extended arm and head to submission, Wes had nothing for him. This was a bad fight; they both lost. Can't wait til McSweeney's next one: he just shined a big light on his weaknesses.
NateGetsIrate- September 24, 2009 at 10:18 am
I like that they have Wes Shivers(at treadmills?) on this season cuz it really proves that Lesnar is more than just his size. If Wes had enough cardio for at least a whole round, he would've won that fight.

With that introspect, if i end up betting money on Lesnar v. Carwin, I'm going with Lesnar (again).
TheSlothman- September 24, 2009 at 10:10 am
@ mytie, first off, Kimbo knocks your boy the fuck out... second Roy Nelson is the MOST overratted fighter maybe ever. Do some fucking situps will ya? seriously, hes so out of shape, its hysterical.... only Roy Nelson would make me root FOR Kimbo freaking Slice.
mytie- September 24, 2009 at 9:36 am
Yeah right the coachs didn’t know who Roy nelson was but you did because you know more mma fighters than pro fighters do. Why not schedule there fight for the 3rd week what does that have to do with anything? It was strange to hear that Nelson was on the show but now it makes more sense to me. I could be wrong but if jerk offs like you think that I am wrong than I know I am right.
BallPtPenTheif- September 24, 2009 at 9:26 am
Shut the fuck up. We get it, you love watching conspiracy videos on youtube and you don't want to look stupid by believing anything on TV is real.

The coaches on TUF didn't know who Roy Nelson was let alone any common UFC fan. Other than people who are aware of other fighting promotions nobody gives a shit about anybody on that show but Kimbo so there would be no logical sane reason to force Kimbo's potentially toughest fight arbitrarily by episode 3. Tell me dumbfuck, what magic marketing plan makes episode 3 the perfect episode for this fight?
Big Daddy Grimm- September 24, 2009 at 9:21 am
I think that in that scenario, the girl ends up catching the bus and when she finaly catches up to them, she beats them both on the head with the round 3 sign.

Or, eat enough onions beforehand so that when you are both breathing at each other, you can KO the bully. Might not get that victory kiss afterwards though (unless you steal one from the aforementioned bully, im not judging)

and dont forget, the bigger they are...

the harder they will be gasping for air after two minutes.


mytie- September 24, 2009 at 9:20 am
The Nelson vs Slice fight was planned before the TUF season even started. I think nelson agreed to do the show only because he was guaranteed a fight with slice. I thought I was watching beat down bully when that fight was announced more staged bs.
J-Dog- September 24, 2009 at 9:18 am
Wes Shivers-me-timbers got robbed. Yeah he sucked (wind) but he won that fight. I think him looking like he gave up after round 2 may have swayed the judges. They knew that he probably wouldn't answer the bell for R3 if they would have gone that way.. so they just gave McRunner the win. It was bullshit.
Iron Fist- September 24, 2009 at 9:13 am
Why in the hell was McSweeney Rashad's first pick? Where are they finding these rejects? I hope to god there are some better fights this season.

Neslon vs. Slice will probably be good but after these first two fights the both teams are lookin pretty weak otherwise.

Makes me wonder about the try outs for this show. There's gotta be better up and comers than this right?
MGalactic- September 24, 2009 at 9:02 am
McSweeney is the worst kickboxer...ever.
BallPtPenTheif- September 24, 2009 at 8:57 am
On the plus side, 2 episodes and no "real world" bullshit at the house drama. I'm liking the new format. Focus on the training and the fighting.

As for the fight? I'm tired of these assholes dramatically going on and on about how much they want this shit and then after one round of fighting they're gassed. Cardio is the difference between a driven committed, determined fighter and some asshole who wants to call himself a fighter.

Fine Wes Shivers' cardio was bullshit but McSweeney has been training with Greg Jackson for over a year... WTF?
glenwo2- September 24, 2009 at 8:56 am
I am absolutely outraged at the crappy "russian-style" judging that gave the win to someone who DID *NOTHING* to deserve it.

As bad a fight as it was, Shivers had more takedowns and was more dominant with the only exception being when he got caught in a....damn, I don't remember the name but it was like a front-headlock-choke move(there's a name for that, I think).

Other than that, Wes had this fight won. If Wes had better Cardio, he would've finished McSweeny YESTERDAY.

I see big things for Wes...Mainly 'cause he's got "THE LOOK" that can be marketable in the UFC. all he needs is more training and PLENTY OF CARDIO WORK.

McSweeny doesn't impress me in the least. He looks more like WEC material than UFC.
the glza- September 24, 2009 at 8:48 am
the fact that there seem to be only two shots of kimbo in the cage that TUF producers keep showing (-30 to -10) in promos does not bode well for kimbo's chances next week.

might not mean anything, but it also might mean he never gets back in the cage.
NateGetsIrate- September 24, 2009 at 8:42 am
I don't understand how McSweeney won that fight when he almost got finished in both rounds. Dumb.

I def hope Kimbo wins cuz this season will get real boring real fast if he gets stopped in his first fight.
LoneWolf- September 24, 2009 at 8:32 am
@Frank Mur

I totally agree that was such a BS decision!! The guy ran half the time
LoneWolf- September 24, 2009 at 8:29 am
What a terrible showing....Even my gf was embarrassed for those two. WTF were they doing standing around....were they clam baking in the car right before the fight? Roy nelson is going to hurt Kimbo, I kinda feel bad for the guy....
Frank Mur- September 24, 2009 at 8:27 am
I've noticed the same, in that every Kimbo slice (post productio) interveiw, he seems REALLY stoked about the season. I don't think that would be the case if he was beaten on the thied show. My prediction: Kimbo by way of "a hole being punched in Roy Nelson's Back Bacon"
knucklesamitch- September 24, 2009 at 8:26 am
Is anyone else worried that they aren't actually going to show a fight next week? Considering they are using Kimbo to hype the entire season, and it's heavily rumored that he gets KO'd by Nelson, is anyone else thinking that they'll spend the entire 60min next week leading up to the fight only to drag the actual fight to the next episode?