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UFC 115 Aftermath: Everybody in the World Wants Chuck to Retire; Will he Listen?


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Regardless of how you think of Chuck Liddell on a personal level, it was hard not to feel bad for the guy last night. Liddell seemed just seconds away from heading back to his corner up 1-0 during his UFC 115 main event fight against Rich Franklin, after showing off a surprisingly diverse striking attack and even a takedown during the opening stanza. Then Franklin clipped him with a short right square on the jaw and as soon as Liddell’s rigid body hit the canvas, you could almost hear the entire MMA world sigh and say: Well, that’s the end of that.

And it was. Hopefully for good this time. In the above video with Ariel Helwani, UFC President Dana White guaran-damn-tees that we’ve really, absolutely seen the end of “The Iceman” in the Octagon. Liddell was taken to the hospital immediately following the fight, so he and White had not yet spoken at the time of filming, but there’s no arguing with the decision. At this point in his career – after three consecutive ugly KO losses – it’s starting to look like a solid gust of wind has to potential to knock Liddell stiff. It’s time to pull the plug on this thing while he still has most of his faculties.


From the neck down, Liddell appeared to be in competitive shape on Saturday and that will surely only make a second forced-departure from the sport he helped build even more difficult for him to swallow. But as the mid ’90s cliché reminds us: That’s just pride fucking with you. Whatever magic Liddell possessed during his run of seven straight knockout wins in the Octagon from 2004-06, it’s gone now and it ain’t coming back. He still has a prospective fight with longtime rival Tito Ortiz – who inexplicably tweeted “That Sucked!” immediately following last night’s main event – on the table, but here’s hoping a third meeting between those two never comes to fruition.

Still, even Franklin, who somehow shook off a broken arm to win the bout, said afterward that he wasn’t happy with the idea that he had finally drummed Liddell out of MMA.

“I went to his locker room after the fight to check on him, but he was with the doctors and I just spoke to John Hackleman for a few seconds,” Franklin said during the post-fight presser. “I don’t want to be the guy labeled as the person who put him out of the sport, I don’t like the thought of that.”

I’m not sure that any of us really like the thought of a UFC light heavyweight division without the mohawked, mustachioed “Iceman” creeping around in a military surplus jacket and every once in a while knocking out some poor schmuck with an impossible-looking overhand right. But those are the breaks. Time makes monkeys out of all of us. As fans, the best we can hope for at this point is continued years of watching Liddell have spontaneous seizures at cageside while he coaches and corners younger fighters.

It won’t be easy, but Chuck’s brain will thank us later.

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Charming Charlie- June 15, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Ariel Helwani is the best interviewer because he's able to ask the tough questions without offending the interviewee. Ariel reminded Dana what he said after UFC 97 and Chuck being retired. Dana guaranteed that Chuck wouldn't fight again, and Ariel followed by asking "can you really though, guarantee it?" I cheered.

Not to mention he never has to hesitate to ask a question, yet is paying enough attention to the answer to insert follow-ups and use the interviewee's own language in his questions.
df42- June 14, 2010 at 11:08 am
Chuck will fight again. If you don't think he will just imagine how much crap Tito will talk all the time about if Chuck hadn't retired he would have kicked his ass.

BTW, how does you chin go from concrete to glass so fast?

fatbellyfrank- June 14, 2010 at 12:52 am
Its all been said, but no more Chuck, and thanks for the memories, all those great fights and GTFO knockouts, but time to ride off into the sunset Big Guy, no questions, no ifs, no buts, just no more.

War Chuck, you will always be de man!
Ballkick- June 13, 2010 at 5:15 pm
I think personally, I would like to thank Chuck for all the great performances and competitive spirit he has shown over the years. He has cemented his name in the history books as possibly one of the most respected and recognized MMA fighters in the world. Without Chuck Liddell the UFC would not be the leading force of MMA organizations that it is today. He and a few others popularized the sport around North America and the world. I feel the need to give Chuck a "Wai Krup" for his lengthy career.

The result last night was a forgone conclusion for me, I predicted the outcome of this fight days before weigh-ins.
I do however respect his performance last night in Vancouver. He almost pulled it off.
However,...I will forever be haunted by his appearance on Dancing with the Stars though.....Chuck....what were you thinking? GAWD!
Mofo- June 13, 2010 at 11:45 am
Here's where Chuck broke Rich's arm:
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At exactly 60 seconds into the fight. He immediately shakes his arm out a bit and then looks at it. The takedown happens promptly thereafter, and I think that's what Rich meant when he said it took it out of his game.

I re-watched and Rich landed at least 3 good shots with that broken arm. And threw about 5 more that didn't connect, some of which looked more like "putting on appearances" so that Chuck wouldn't realize it was broken.

Nice goin Ace Ventura! Always impressive brutha.
Get Off Me- June 13, 2010 at 11:09 am
@fightfan
Chuck would have done Tito for sure, but...........
Tito has no business in the UFC.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Dana.......If Tito wants back into the UFC, Tell him to fuck off.
fightfan- June 13, 2010 at 10:53 am
Now Chuck(and many others) have even MORE reason to f**king HATE Tito Ortiz. Just imagine what everyone would be saying about Liddell TODAY, IF Ortiz had not backed out of the fight. The talk of Liddell's UFC 115 would of been how great he looked beating the snot out of AND KO'ing Tito.

Sure, Chuck would of eventually lost via KO soon enough, but AT LEAST he would of had a few more months to enjoy the sport he loves so much if Tito would of fought Chuck last night.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Dana........If Tito wants back into the UFC, please FORCE him to beat Liddell in order to fight again. Why not give him that ultimatum?? Sounds fair?? If Chuck cant hang in the UFC anymore, then IF TITO CAN NOT BEAT CHUCK..........then TIto has NO BUSINESS in the UFC either!!

Make it happen Dana!!!!
cecils_pupils- June 13, 2010 at 9:54 am
^^^it was New Jersey and Pelligrino vs. Camoes. And you are not dumb, your dumb, you are correct.

Though I agree with your point danomite, it's not considered spiking when you are in a defensive position - Dunham could have always let go of the body triangle and rear naked attempt to brace himself for the impending canvas he's about to eat.
Your Dumb- June 13, 2010 at 9:46 am
danomite - It think you make sense about the risk of injuries, but they are only considered head spikes if they come in the form of a pile driver. Some athletic commission actually touched on a fight recently where a fighter tried to drop the opponent who had his back by knocking him off much like Tyson Griffin did. Basically the athletic commission said it wasn't a head spike because the opponent who had the back did have the option of letting go to defend themselves, or something along those lines.
Your Dumb- June 13, 2010 at 9:40 am
I really hope Chuck retires or pretty soon he won't be able to sneeze without losing consciousness.

As a fan of Chuck, I've really hated seeing him get dropped.

As a fan of Family Guy, I couldn't help but want to laugh each time Chuck got knocked out because he drops and flops like a dead Family Guy character.
Get Off Me- June 13, 2010 at 9:37 am
I thought Rich hit Chuck with one right hand that did not need to be delivered at the end of the fight.

Chuck looked good to me, if he would have made it out of that round he might have been able to pull the fight out, for sure he would have known Rich's arm was broken and he could have worked with that.
My problem is(over his last defeats), excluding the Shogun KO, Chuck always looks into the fight right up until the KO, he narrowly misses his shot and gets caught(Rashad and Franklin). It is sad that his chin is shot, but I could see one more fight from the Iceman...Dana's guarantee's don't mean shit.
LastEmperor- June 13, 2010 at 9:30 am
I'm sorry but I don't buy into this line that he went out like "Chuck would want to." I don't enjoy watching a guy lose part of his soul because he doesn't know when to quit, or how to adapt.

He went out like a guy who has a weak chin and won't try taking it to the ground to gas a guy a bit before setting up his shots. He went out like a guy who thought a few leg kicks were evolving in the sport.

But Idk, I've never been a fan of Chuck anyway.

War Wand!
danomite- June 13, 2010 at 9:11 am
So are we going to wait until after someone is paralyzed before they start enforcing the head spike rule? It's spelled out pretty clearly in the rule books: no head spikes. taking a guy who is on your back and spiking his head into the mat is a head spike. there is no wriggle room. Joe Rogan from what I can gather is a pretty smart guy, so how he came to the conclusion that it is the responsibility of the guy getting his head spiked to tuck his head to keep from becoming paralyzed is beyond me. It's physically impossible from that position to tuck your head forward. you can either choose to get spiked directly on the top of your head, or you can move your head to one side and get slammed on the side of your head and have your neck broken that way.

If you don't think that someone could become paralyzed from that move then just look at what has happened in football. football is probably the most violent sport outside of MMA and boxing and yet they have made spearing someone head first illegal precisely because people have been paralyzed doing that move.
Angry Whopper- June 13, 2010 at 8:58 am
Speaking of China, let's have Chyna (a.k.a. Joanie Laurer) fight Tito. She can slam him to the mat, get full mount, and while she's raining blows down on his face and his giant head she can be screaming, "Eat that kitty, you fuckin's pussy!" or something equally catchy.

The main point is, I think we'd all love to see that happen - to see Frito made into a bitch, by a woman, in front of millions, right before we throw his ass into the lava pit.

Alternately, maybe Chyna can get him in a sub and force him to suck Cyborg's cock. Whaddya think?
Dinksmack- June 13, 2010 at 8:51 am
im way more gayer
Mdot50- June 13, 2010 at 8:34 am
tito is a fag
cecils_pupils- June 13, 2010 at 8:27 am
Unfortunately for Rich, he will be known as the guy who retired Chuck. Sucks for Rich, but really, there is no better person than him to end someone's career. He's one of the nicest guys in the sport, dudes a class act.
VegasDirt- June 13, 2010 at 8:21 am
I haven't said this in a long time (back before she crack whored out and was hot), Thank you Jenna Jameson!
Babs- June 13, 2010 at 8:20 am
Please stop citing Tweets. I die a little inside every time Twitter is used as a source.
VegasDirt- June 13, 2010 at 8:16 am
Call china and get them going on cloning Herb. Just pull out the fertitas credit card and make it happen DW. Nice to see franklin back in the scene, man good point eviltwin that would have been the worse thing ever to happen to MMA
Cosmin- June 13, 2010 at 8:01 am
I concur. Fuck Tito.
jgrant- June 13, 2010 at 7:49 am
@eviltwin:

+1000 for a great point. If Tito's unsufferable now, he would have been a full on monster if he had been the guy to retire Chuck.

I thought it was a fun fight; too bad for the total account.
eviltwin- June 13, 2010 at 7:43 am
Man, I sure am glad it wasn't pillow-fist tito that caught chuck and retired him. That would be a much harder pill to swallow.
Just A Wrestler- June 13, 2010 at 7:26 am
FIRST. I'm gay.
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