(The world’s "top pound-for-pound fighter" in the midst of proving his greatness at UFC 117. PicPops: Esther Lin/Fanhouse)
Whatever “demon effigy” Anderson Silva and Ed Soares really do worship, he certainly turned out to be the better God on Saturday night. If nothing else, Silva’s prayers were answered at UFC 117 when his Hail Mary triangle choke somehow found the mark around Chael Sonnen’s neck with a minute, 50 seconds left in a fight the challenger had dominated for four complete rounds. Sonnen kind of tapped, referee Josh Rosenthal kind of stopped the fight and Silva kind of proved he is still the best 185-pound fighter in the world. So much for the vengeful Christian God that Republican wrestlers from Oregon prance and dance in front of, we guess.
There will no doubt be more than a couple breathless accounts of Silva’s “miraculous comeback” in the MMA media during the next few days, but let’s make no mistake here: Anderson Silva’s greatness was not on display Saturday night. In fact, if the UFC’s so-called “performance-based bonuses” are actually in any way based on performance, Big DW should take that $120,000 he evenly split between the two main eventers for “Fight of the Night” and give about $90,000 of it to Sonnen. Because really, only one guy had the “fight of the night” at UFC 117. The other guy just sort of got lucky.
Instead, it was Silva who walked away from last night’s presser with $120K in total bonus money after his Doug Flutie moment also netted him the “Submission of the Night” award. The champ shared that honor with Matt Hughes, who prior to the end of the main event seemed to have the prize for the night’s most surprising sub locked up for himself. How Silva managed to have just about every hole in his game thoroughly revealed and exploited and still walk away with not one, but two bonus checks, we’ll never know. Chalk it up to another part of his “legendary” night, we suppose.
Yesterday, we published what seemed at the time like an overly optimistic hypothesis that Sonnen had a chance to beat Silva if he could fight a perfect fight. Honestly, we didn’t think for a second the guy would come so close to actually doing it. But there was Sonnen last night, not just beating Silva, but downright outclassing the man many regard as the world’s top pound-for-pound fighter for 20-plus minutes. In the process, Sonnen inspired some pretty uncomfortable feelings deep down in our brains’ hearts: We actually felt good for the guy, excited for him and when it was over we felt a great deal of empathy for him. As of about 7 p.m. last night, we wouldn’t have thought any of that possible.
The reason Sonnen’s performance was so stirring was not just because he appeared to be doing exactly what he said he was going to do in the fight – “dump Silva on his prissy ass and beat a hole in his face” – but also because it was a kind of bout we’ve never seen Silva in before. In the past, the middleweight champ has been criticized for being unmotivated, for being ill prepared and for showing a concerted lack of urgency in the cage. That’s not at all what happened at UFC 117. At UFC 117, Sonnen and Silva both showed up and tried their hardest and guess what? For nearly the entire fight, Sonnen was the better man.
In the end though, the Oregon wrestler did as the Oregon wrestler usually does. He got tapped out. Taking people down and letting them catch him in subs is basically the story of Chael Sonnen’s career. Eight of his 11 total losses have now come by some form of arm bar or choke. We’d say that’s a fair enough sample size to conclusively prove that Sonnen has a submission problem. Shoring that up might be something he’ll want to check out.
It also would not be totally accurate to say Sonnen “backed up” much of his prefight trash talk with his performance, since most of his promotional blather had nothing to do with fighting or with reality. No, the true greatness of Sonnen’s domination of Silva was that for those 23 minutes he managed to divorce himself from the Bobby “The Brain” Heenan character he’d been playing for the past few months and, just, fight. He fought his ass off. He fought the fight of his life which, when it was all over, wasn’t quite good enough to steal the UFC middleweight title.
We’d love to sit here and tell you that our lasting memory of Sonnen will be of the shockingly contrite and humble guy we saw in the cage and at the press conference following the loss. The guy who said he was “devastated” and heartbroken over the defeat. Unfortunately, we know that’s not the case. Give Sonnen a day or two to turn this one over in his mind and he’ll probably decide he never tapped out. He could decide that his loss was the result of a vast conspiracy against him. Hell, he might even decide that wasn’t even him in the cage at UFC 117.
Whatever happens, we sincerely hope we can all refrain from spazzing out about how great Anderson Silva’s “comeback” was last night. We hope we can give Sonnen the credit (and some of the disdain because, seriously dude, another triangle?) he deserves. If we can’t, well, maybe Chael Sonnen was right about us all along. Maybe we really are just a bunch of Anderson Silva marks.
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Comments
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:34
@CP Word.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:34
really youre gonna say anderson got lucky? fricken canadians.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:36
I was unable to watch the fight, but I kept up with the play-by-play on various sites, and have concluded that Sonnen owned Silva until he got caught with a submission. Although he squeaked out the win, and a win is a win; Sonnen beat the soul out of this guy, yet Kevin Iole says that Silva just went up a notch, this sentiment was shared by Dana White. What do you lads think? (Remember, I haven't seen the fight, but from what it sounds like, it was a one-sided ass kicking)
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:37
I'm sad only because I could only imagine how awesome Chael's victory speeches and comments "would have" been. Instead I watched the post fight press conference and cried like a bitch.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:45
Lmao that would've been my reaction too, I only read the fight of the site though.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:50
"Kinda tapped"? He did tap. He admitted it. Even if he didn't tap he wasn't getting out of that submission anyway. He would've went to sleep.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:50
Even though Silva got "lucky" he didn't get cut open, and was active and ready for the beginning of each round. Sonnen did do good, but Silva's the champ because, even when he's getting his ass handed to him, he can find a way to do great things. Not to mention if you talk all the mess Sonnen did, he shouldn't have tapped, but just gone to sleep.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:51
Right, CP, Silva just "got lucky." You guys must think Big Nog is the most overrated fighter in history. As I said last night: fuck you.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:51
Holy shit that was crazy. I never thought I'd see Silva get dominated like that by anyone but a top 3 heavyweight (and prolly not even then). What a surprising and collosal ass kicking. I had Big Country going down in the second - dude is tough. I guess he supersized that chin and those balls.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:52
I don't remember when 1 tap = submitted. didn't work in Lesnar vs Mir 1, and it didn't work for Penn vs Pulver 1. Also Chael did question the stoppage right when it happened. How do you stop a championship fight like that for 1 tap while the guy is doing the escape for the hold he's in. still i loved watching Silva getting smacked in the face like a bitch for 20 min
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:57
@Macready Ha. Roy Nelson is the new Tank Abbott,....except with better skills and a bigger gut. Just as fucking ugly, too.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:05
what fight were you watching? bottom line is that yes, silva has major work to do in defensive wrestling/sprawl, but at no point did i see him hurt besides getting wobbled in the first round. he got punched -- a lot -- but those punches hurt him about as much as getting hit in the face with a soap bubble: he walked right through them most of the time -- they didn't even move him. he just stood there taking punches like he was getting his hair blow-dried. sonnen must have the punching power of a toddler, but this is classic nog-style fighting. silva ate sonnen's happy meal -- deal with it.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:05
@japanadian If you look at it again you will see that he clearly taps at least 3 times. First he raised his hand high, tapped once then twice more. And it probably wasn't due to the choke but due to the armbar. The choke didn't look that tight.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:06
@ Japanadian I guess you didnt watch Fedor get subbed, one little pat on the leg cuz he knew it was done. He wasnt arguing. I saw Sonnen tap twice, he was going to sleep anyways
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:09
i say re match!!! i think Chale gave him way more than he bargained for.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:09
It wasn't the choke that he tapped to, it looked like silva had him in an armbar.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:09
Look, I'm a big Anderson Silva fan; but he did not look right at all. Chael did come to fight and did great, this was a tremendous fight. But it seems like now most of these CP writers are just talking crap every single fuqing article. I'm not here to troll or start a comment war, I'm voicing my opinion that this lack of respect for Fighters is really bothersome to me. All these guys, all of them, deserve lots of respect for how hard they work and how often they get hurt. No, you just sit there and type away. You guys/gals call yourself MMA Fans? Then grow the fuq up and quit talking/typing crap all the time. Learn some repect, or just go out and talk crap to strangers and see how far that gets you in life. Oh, and don't just watch MMA; train once and see how you well you fair. Peace
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:11
If Sonnen managed for the most part to outstrike silva, or at least break even, then what is Belfort gonna do to him? Silva got owned and while I was severely dissapointed by the outcome, I at least got to enjoy watching his smug ass get ragdolled all over the cage. Even though he won he still got humiliated, and I guess that's all I could really hope for.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:13
There is no such thing of a lucky submission... Sonnen just got lazy and Anderson instinctively reacted to finding the triangle Sonnen left open
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:14
if you had been there at oracle arena, you would realize how few anderson silva marks there are. we were surrounded by chael sonnen marks in oakland last night... most of those fans were straight up idiots - wearing vender crap over their clothes and drinking endless $10 dollar beers - and several thought it was going o be over everytime silva was on his back. the ric flair chants were coming from those same idiots and they were mostly in the same section as we were. i tried warning them of getting their hopes up in a man who lost most of his fights by submission and they just sat there unbelievably silent, mouths gaping, after chael tapped out.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:14
So a wrestler who has 4 or 5 good strike in his whole 20 minutes of beating***sorry keeping him down...Plus every one who see a wrestler keeping someone down without submitting or KO with ground and pound think they are dominant....being on the back working to submit or getting up, if your face is like the one of Anderson today, you know that the beating was the beating of a non striker guy, so like baby slap: annoying but not usefull. Silva has difficulty to strike because of the good take down....but that was the only thing Sonnen is able to do, cannot stand, cannot submit and Silva, the lucky guy as you trash talk said, survive 20 minutes in the very boring game of a wrestler and found a way to submit that house seller. Whats the problems of the fans nowdays, you like to see a wrestler controling all the fight (sorry...**action) without finishing fight.... Wrestler are good for going for the decision, so you liked the Fitch vs Alves....15 min of take down, get up, take down...no one beat anyone. Wrestler control but do not win, they make it boring. I know its part of the rule, but you said the 2 last Anderson Fight where boring because he did not want to go down, its even more boring with a wrestler who just know how to contolo and not be beaten down but who is not able to finish or fight in a spectacular way. Dawn wrestler, they win in boring way and people like that. Plus they think that their dominationg, they just let the time go to decision staying on top to have the point. So tired of all that!!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:15
The CP editors must be smoking something. Now submissions are no longer a valid way to win a fight? Get over yourselves.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:18
Finally someone speaks the goddamn TRUTH! I called this the day the fight was announced. Sonnen would take him down and eventually get submitted, but even I was surprised at just how SHITTY Silva is on the ground. The fucking mma "journalists" have been filling the fucking internet with a bunch of garbage about how this was some defining moment in Silva's hall-of-fame career. God, it's like these guys know nothing about mma at all and just suck the dick of whoever wins the fight. Silva was garbage and Sonnen gave him the victory. Mark my words: this is the beginning of the end for silva. Unless DW spoon feeds him hand picked forrest griffin's for the rest of his career this is exactly how the rest of his fights will go, minus the lucky triangle. you forgot to mention though how Silva still managed to make an excuse even though he won. What the fuck are "hurt ribs" anyway? Broken bones or STFU!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:19
The choke was pretty tight. It was loose initially but when Chael went to adjust himself to try and escape it got tight.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:19
I think this entry could use some more quotes around "references"
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:20
anybody planning on spending 25 minutes on top of a bjj black belt from the nogs' is asking to get subbed. sonnen tried the infamous half ass tap, wish he would have went to sleep.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:21
@TheCount They didn't say that. But considering Silva's triangle was the submission equivalent of Mike Russow's knockout punch to Todd Duffee it was pretty damn lucky.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:23
No matter what the A.Silva nut suckers say about this result, he is finished, the intimidation factor is out the window and everyone will be gunning for him with renewed confidence. And yes, Vitor will fuck him up for good and send him into retirement.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:24
Couldn't agree more. Let's not forget that Chael could've gone all Jake O'Brien and just laid on top of him for that entire last round and rode out his championship win, but he chose to continue attacking despite fatigue. But that's not his style and he got caught for it. You gotta respect that. Yeah, Anderson won. Just don't forget which party actually made this fight a fight.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:25
Before the fight Chael said something along the lines of "If I lose this fight it doesn't mean he's that good, it means I'm that bad". Pretty good analysis from Chael. Silva's stand up got exposed during his feeling out period of the opening round and he got dumped on his ass promptly after coming out firing from the gate. All in all I learned Anderson is about impossible to rock, Nogueira blackbelts take a shit ton of punishment from bottom, and Chael really needs to spend like ten or fifteen minutes running through how to defend a triangle/armbar.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:28
Also, this shows how much bullshit the anderson silva p4p hype has been. I've been saying that the UFC has been spoon feeding him guys who are no threat to him for at least 2 years now. He finally gets a good wrestler who doesn't think he's a world class striker (looking at you Hendo) and he gets exposed for what he is: 1-dimensional. GSP has fought the divisions best Strikers (hardy, alves), best wrestlers (Kos, Fitch), best submission guys (BJ Penn, Serra to a lesser extent) and he DOMINATED all of them. Silva finally gets someone who can take it to the ground and was 2 minutes away from being shutout 50-45. Not to mention he was almost fired for his shittiness. The aftermath seemed to focus on the main event, but what do you think about Fitch. I say there's no way in hell he is next in line for a title shot unless Kos wins. If GSP wins Dana white will forget he ever said fitch was the #1 contender, and rightfully so. He's fought five guys since the last time they fought and hasn't finished any of them. He poses absolutely no threat to GSP. He didn't in the first fight and hasn't shown any improvement since then. Besides, Kampmann if he wins will have won 3 in a row, and if Shieldzzzzzz wins he would have beaten Kampmann, Hendo, and Mayhem Miller. To say that he hasn't earned it is complete horseshit.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:30
"Anderson Silva Earns an Extra $120K for Getting His Ass Handed to Him for 23 Minutes" No, he won $120k for WINNING. I don't know how this fight turned every MMA journalist into an over-emotional, unprofessional, butthurt, blow-hard, but my God did it ever. Sonnen did a great job but came up short, got sub'd, end of story. Give the drama a fucking break, ladies.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:31
As I predicted yesterday: Anderson Silva wins by submission in the last 2 minutes of the fight. It sort of seemed that Anderon knew exactly what he was doing the whole time; like he was letting Chael bitch slap him around a little bit to keep the fight exciting for Dana White and Co. And then, in the last few minutes, Anderson descides to wrap shit up and chokes out Chael. I was rooting for Chael, but fuck, all he had to do was hold on for a couple more seconds....
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:31
Basically we just watched Severn vs Gracie 2010 last night. Except this gracie can strike but was ineffective, and this severn hits you on the ground, but is also ineffective, well you guys watched, i was at work. And no matter what, we have to give Sonnen points for taking the fight to Silva, not being afraid of him ala, cotes, and actually doing his (personal favorite Sonnenism) "putting him on his back more than a whore with a mortgage" thing. I say give him props for making Silva fight for the first time for real since 5 whole minutes with hendo. Give Silva Props for remembering he is Brazillian so he should have a submission somewhere in his game.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:32
Really good post. These are two polarizing fighters, and no surprise that the fight itself is becoming a contentious subject. *** Am i the only one who finds Sonnen's prefight remarks ironic? He went out and performed exactly as he said he would, and you were either impressed or nervous for twenty three minutes. The '+1 for Irony' award goes to: "He may be a Champion, but i'm the best." Yeah, that sounds about right. *** I agree that it looked like the armbar that motivated Sonnen to sorta tap. Unless everyone wants a five page appenix to the Unifed Rules about what, exactly, constitutes a "non-verbal expression of concession, hereafter known as a 'tap'", we'll just all agree that sorta kinda tapping = tapping. *** There are going to be a whole lot of "suck my dick" flying around when Boss Nasty shows up.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:34
@ragin - chael had never fought in the 4th or 5th rounds before. anderson was ready to answer the bell in round 5. chael was tired, bleeding and begging to be finished. i got respect for the fight in that dog named chael, but he is still a dog.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:36
Chael is a lion, shame he got submitted. Agreed that he deserved the win.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:38
This response was unnecessarily cynical. Why should we have disdain for either fighter? It's not that I think you're points are invalid, I just think you sound like a kill joy. I like the writing on this site a lot, but I think the next post might be improved if the person who writes the Aftermath article for the next round of fights gets a hug before he or she sits down at the computer.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:39
Yeah, anybody who has ever come from behind to win a fight didn't deserve the win...
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:39
Word CP. And i think that sotn should have gone to Matt Hughes. Subbing Almeida like that was a work of art.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:42
I agree 100% Patrick... I have been reading this site religiously since inception and I have to say that over the past 4 months (in particular) I have become mostly disappointed but all too often disgusted. Anderson was clearly positioning wrist control to setup that submission - Which turned into a beautiful triangle and ARM bar... In what universe is pulling that off (after taking such a beating) a stroke of luck? Is it really the position of CP that Anderson didn't "deserve" to Win or "deserve" the fight of the night? Are you fucking kidding me? Would you also same the same thing about Stefan Struve? Did he not DESERVE to win? Did he not DESERVE knockout of the night? I mean... all he did was get paid for getting his ass handed to him for the whole fight until he "got lucky" and knocked out his opponent. This fight will undoubtedly go down as one of the greatest fights in UFC history... As Dana said what Anderson did tonight is "what legends are made of"... Coudda, Wudda, Shudda, is all irrelevant at this point. Chael tapped out... watch the replays - It was a clear tap (also echoed by the UFC, most all of the MMA community and Chael himself). In my mind, if I'm Chael and I talk epic amounts of shit about being the toughest and best for the title then I go to sleep... I dont tap. Chael has no one to blame but himself... CP has no one to blame for this shitty article but the guy who wrote it... whomever that is they'll be "lucky" to not be replaced with a decent writer.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:43
Fight of the Night goes to Roy Nelson Jr Dos Santos; Roy Nelson threw a mean gut the whole night and really took the fight to Jr's fists. I couldnt help but root for Roy Nelson, but damn, he's got to lose some weight in order for him to realize his full potential.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:45
@jgrant I don't know how one gets a "lucky submission". If you hit a guy and you knock him out, you knocked him out, period. That's the nature of the standup. The nature of a submission from the bottom is attempting to capitalize in mistakes in hand and body placement just like the nature of wrestling is to stay on top of a guy and keep pressure on him. If it takes 5 rounds, it takes five rounds. Considering Silva is known for his striking and that was completely neutralized, you'd think the guy would get more credit for finding another way to win.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:52
This is the worst article I have ever read on this site..lucky submission? Really?? I feel that it only adds to the legacy of one of the greatest fighters of all time...kinda tapped?? OMFG...now I understand why MMAjunkie.com gets all the accolades..Peace out CP
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:53
Quote of the night: heartwarming advice from Dr. to Stephen Struve regarding his split lip "If you have a good surgeon you should be good." It was great seeing Stephen knock out that big hairy chick with the huge tits.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:55
I think when it's said Silva was "lucky" to win, it should be read as "He was lucky to have gotten to point where in between beatings he was able to lock in the submission." People need to re-assess the context of the word lucky...It's not such a far out suggestion...It's not like Silva was getting his ass kicked for 23min but was on the verge of winning the whole time...He was "lucky" to win because had he not been in position to lock in the triangle/armbar combo, he was 90sec away from losing his title. He was "lucky" because he definitively lost 4 rounds, and was definitely losing the 5th...There may not have been luck in the fact that a BJJ black belt used BJJ to win a fight, but I'm sorry, if you get beat up for 23min in a 25min fight, and you WIN, then you were "lucky"...Saying he's lucky doesn't mean he didn't deserve the win. It's not like his "luck" robbed Sonnen, but still, he definitely could be considered "lucky".
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:06
What we really learned last night: comments and Analysis run thru a spin cycle. And really sad this will be buried in this comments section. Anderson Silva still has no effective takedown defense, once on his back he is largly ineffective, even in victory. He does not like the fight brought to him even thru his past performances with complaints of fighters not wanting to engage him, he really does not want them too. He won against a person prone to submissions, via submission. He can be 'handled' standing long enough to secure a dominant position and controlled once there. Sonnen has never been in championship rounds and almost universally has been pointed out to either being tired and losing a bit of focus or his biggest weakness became more prominant. bottom line point noone seems to have seen yet: If Silva met GSP in a super fight, GSP would win. As good a wrestler if not better than Sonnen Better standing Better submissions and submission defense Has been in the championship rounds before Much better finisher from the top Un matched conditioning. I think the who would win arguement has taken a turn with some evidence to back it up. I also until now thought Silva would be too big for GSP, now I really think different
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:12
Good News! UFC 117 piss test results are in and Anderon pissed hot for unusually high estrogen levels and will be stripped of the belt. Sonnen will fight Rich Franklin for the interrum title.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:19
ccman- who cares?
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:20
Good article! But... STOP SAYING "WE" It's contrived and weird and you know it. It feels wrong. It's putting on airs. It's only accurate when an article ACTUALLY has multiple authors. This is a blog, and the tradition of a blog is that it is ONE MAN'S VOICE. We think that saying we is gay.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:27
I don't think you fucking cagepotato writers should sorry for Sonnen after Silva showed why the spider is the best pound for pound fighter in the world you've done nothing but blow the douche from oregon continueously
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:28
Sonnen is still a liar and a prick. He's entertaining, but at no point did I want him to win the fight.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:34
Jiu Jitsu is a game of patience and I feel Anderson realized he had no shot at beating Chael by anything other than a submission. I'm sure, in his mind, he was thinking "I lost this fight unless Chael exposes himself." And that's exactly what happened. Chael was pretty fatigued which lead to his carelessness. Anderson was patient, and it paid off big... Chael did a heck of a job exposing Silva... But he slipped up big by getting too comfortable. You don't deserve to win if you submit... But this is a rematch I wouldn't mind watching... If anything Chael deserves another shot, but he doesn't deserve last nights victory
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:38
I don't know about you guys but i feel ripped off. How the fuck can a great fight like that end with the worst reffing i have seen in a while. I wish i could remember the fights that i have seen a fighter tap once then stop and the fight continues because one tap is not a clear enough sign that someone has given up. But there has been quite a few. Id like to hear if any of you can name some of them. I found out that there is no # of taps that make a submission official which is a pretty loose rule if you ask me. I was like WTF that is how this great fight is ending? I was fucking pissed and felt cheated. That is no way to win! I also would like to say I think there should be a word or phrase like "Kumate" (yeah fuck you) that translate into a clear cut verbal submit. I think this would end all this IFFY bull shit that makes a great fight like this just upsetting. And the only person that could make this be available is Dana White and he is not much of a person of action. And another thing I could be wrong but i watched the fight twice last night and i believe that the kinda tap (which showed Sonnen almost gave up and he should have been tougher than that) was from the armbar and not the triangle as the sub had made a transition from one to the other. So, to the people who say sonnen would go to sleep...Really? I remember that triangle at that point pretty loose.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:39
Good article CP. Well said. Last night I was about 2 minutes away from being the second happiest dude in the world. A mere 120 seconds, give or take, away from celebrating my ass off. Damn! So close!! Sonnen might be an ass and he might be a heel but he proved his point last night. Anderson's still the champ but Sonnen is the better fighter. For all you Silva nuthuggers out there I hope you can see past his balls to notice what happened last night. Sonnen owned Silva. Sonnen did exactly what he said he was going to do and Silva was helpless to stop it. Silva came out and actually performed up to his full potential and still had no answer for Sonnen. Anderson Silva got to keep his belt last night and he was able to get a win over a man who talked endless shit about him but Anderson has nothing to be proud of other than the fact that he did come away with the "w". In all fairness I will give Anderson his props for that triangle. It was slick and it was quick. I will not stoop to calling it "lucky". You don't accidentally get someone in a triangle. I do not believe there is any luck in the cage, unless a piano falls out of the sky and crushes your opponent. Anderson did not get lucky with that triangle. He meant to put Chael in it and he did. End of story. Make no mistake, I hate Anderson Silva. I feel that his "clowning" in the cage is disrespectful to his opponents and to the people who pay to watch him FIGHT. It's like ordering porn on cable and getting a documentary on global warming instead. When I order porn I want to see porn. When I order fights I want to see fights. It's simple, and fuck Anderson Silva and all his excuses about doing his "job" without taking damage and retaining his title. His job is to entertain me with his MMA. Last night Anderson fought and did not clown. If he did that in every fight I probably wouldn't hate him. Be that as it may, Anderson got his ass handed to him last night. Chael crushed and embarrassed Anderson. Chael was clearly the superior fighter last night for 92% of the fight. Unfortunately a fight is never over until the fat lady sings. Just ask Christian Morecraft. Until the fight is over Anderson is ALWAYS dangerous. At the end of the post fight interview Anderson turned to his corner and said "Nogueira brothers. Jiu-jitsu!" I thought that was fitting. Anderson might not have done much to defend his own honor but he did defend the honor of his jiu-jitsu masters, since it was their jiu-jitsu, which Sonnen referred to as a Happy Meal toy, that defeated Sonnen and not Silva's "jedi" powers.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:46
And if this makes Silva the "Best" fighter because he pulled this off...Well Maia did the same thing as did Fihlo...are they just as good? HAHA. Same shit, almost same fight. Same ending. The Ending proved that Sonnen is just very susceptible to that kind of jiu jitsu and many fighters could have have pulled that off. But C'mon it does not show much for Anderson silva. Fuck, you guys are some serious nut huggers. What i really like about his fight is it showed that Silva is not that good and he will start to be beat because that has happened to all champs. Once there Allure of greatness has been shattered fighters believe they can beat them and so they will. Where most fighters were probably doubting themselves a little. Same thing is going to happen to brock lesner.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:46
@CP Excellent article. It's like you're inside my mind. Silva is a fag and I can't wait for him to lose his belt. How perfect would it have been if Sonnen would have just KO'd him rd 1?
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:48
CP I think that most of these people that post here and read this stuff you guys put out here deserve more than an over opinionated piece like this. Why dont you the leave the opinions to us and you just do your same old comedic thing? Cuz if you dont some of these fine people might jump ship and join those idiots over and mmajunkie.com... now thats a sad bunch of little spit-fucks!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:49
What the hell is a lucky Submission? Like Chael never gets caught in Armbars and Chokes...The fight was 25mins long and he tapped with 1min 30secs left on the clock. I give credit to Sonnen for what he did but he lost by TAPOUT!!!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:53
Oh and hellluva fight Chael!!! and ANderson dont train with seagal next time look up Van Damme!!! Heck of a comeback... not gloating here... but I did call it Chael has a weakness and ask Jeremy Horn or Babalu or any one else that has submitted him befor... he is not good against submissions. But he did look different last night. I thought Sonnen laid down the blueprint for GSP yes I said it. GSP to beat Silva. I feel imo gsp is better on the ground than sonnen and would not have been caught in the end there. What you guys think?
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:57
Dude!! He did not get lucky....I saw that coming when sonan was sitting up in andersons guard with his right hand pined down near andersons waist. And this is what happen brok. He got his butt kicked around, and he hung in there.. I Think ur personal hate for anderson is getting the best of your journalistic duties .
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:58
It really did appear that Silva sandbagged the entire fight, almost like he knew what he was doing when he was geting his ass beat in by Sonnen. He fought with is hands down, sluggish, tight...maybe it was his "reebs."
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:58
anyone using the phrase "lucky submission" has no business writing about this sport. Getting beaten for 23 minutes and having Chael Sonnen work his top game on you for that amount of time and remaining alert, calm and strong enough to submit him is not lucky. It is the result of hard training, skill and mental strength. Anderson Silva made Chael Sonnen quit and no amount of takedowns and fucking ear-slapping will change that. end of fucking story.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:58
@knuckle Exactly what you said. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:59
I will not read all these comments, and I can only assume Im saving myself from 400 "Lucky? Thats why he is p4p blah blah" or "It showcased his ability to wah wah". Two things were proved tonight. Sonnen did have a way to beat Silva. And that Silva is p4p the biggest clown in mma. Nice legacy, homie.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:03
Great post. I'm not sure why Silva is getting praised for the performance of a life time. Dude got his ass handed to him for the whole fight and caught a guy with no sub defense in a sub. I think serious holes were exposed in Silva's game, his aura of invincibility is certainly weakened. And him saying his ribs hurt and he shouldn't have fought just reeks of Tito Ortiz.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:09
INSTANT REMATCH! CHAEL, WORK ON YOUR SUB DEFENSE FOR YOUR WHOLE TRAINING CAMP, NOTHING ELSE!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:10
I come to this sight for the snarky remarks and generally witty take on this somewhat new to the scene and quite plucky sport - not for the "sports writing." This is some of the worst sports reporting I've ever read. I seems like you can't get around to analyzing the fight because you're too busy, too lost, in the "grudge match." You guys at this sight do a better job covering the trash talk and reducing the athletes to caricatures than you do covering the sport. When I saw last night's performance I was reminded of many great champions across many great sports, who, when they're beaten, and gassed, and somehow just can't for the life of them find their groove, still prove their champion status by pulling out the win. I said many sports, and in this sport I'm reminded of One Minotauro Nogueira, who has made a career (and legend of himself) for doing exactly what The Spider did last night. I imagine the two of them gave each other one look worth a 1000 words in the locker room afterward. PS. your grammar sucks too
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:11
Be honest, though, CP. The only reason you're this angry is because the giant "GSP P4P #1" article you had prepped for after the fight is moot. lol.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:13
@ Bodysnatcher Excellent!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:18
Even with broken and bruised ribs Anderson Silva grabbed his ovaries, loaded them in a wheelbarrel and bravely stepped in the ring...Just like Tito O every fucking time he fights. Also, that James Toney interview was fucking awesome, he is as handsome as he is elloquent. As I understand it he turned down a Fullbright Scholarship to pursue his boxing dream. I can't wait to watch James (and Im paraphrasing her) "pick apart Randy C. and expose him for what he is: a mediocre wrestler and pretty bad MMArtist." God Speed James Toney, God Speed.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:21
@CP: Word. JDS-Nelson deserved at least a secondary Fight of the Night bonus. I realize Silva-Sonnen was more surprising, but it didn't have as much action, and that fat bastard put on a hell of a show against one of the most dynamic strikers in the sport.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:22
Silva will never fight a wrestler again.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:24
This is the first time I'm commenting on this site, after years of reading. Quite frankly it wasn't worth it, until now. Because for the first time in years the "voice" of the blog has just pissed me the eff off, and like others said, its been going on for a little while now, and now its affected your basic understanding of mma. Disclosure: A.Silva fan/nuthugger. 1. "Sonnen kind of tapped..." what world do you live in. I saw it live, even through the horrible camera angle, and I said he tapped. They played it on replay, he tapped twice. We have these rules so fighters don't pull a C.B. Dolloway and cheat to win. 2. Sonnen fought a great fight. I said to my gf "this fight is fucking over." Silva does get to business in the 2nd round, but he was getting utterly dominated. I knew this would not be a good night for him 3. Sonnen wasn't dropping bombs, but hitting Silva's face enough time made Anderson pretty swollen. Everyone is arguing about Silva's chin, but I think the missed point is how well he doesn't get cut. If he gets cut, I think the fight is over. 4. A submission can never be lucky. You literally have to work for it. Plz learn MMA. Seriously. Now if Sonnen would have been KO'd by that elbow at the top of the third, then that would have been lucky. 5. It seems like you just don't understand the dynamics of fighting and being legendary. In no matter what sport, the greats are always going to face adversity, and while they maybe great they rarely win all the time. For you just to dismiss Silva's victory as lucky, or man he did horribly and "what a bad performance", is really selling him short. A better view is, he got pushed to the brink of defeat, to the brink of being demolished, used his artistry and skill to eventually win. Isn't it remarkable that the only thing to stop this guy is a flying scissor heel hook. This isn't a hail mary like in Doug Floutie's case, this is a Ali vs. Foreman, which is a much better comparison. 6. Anderson Silva needs to retire. Simply, two years of crappy opponents has left him at 35 years old, and his speed gone. Sonnen didn't retire Silva but showed that he needs to. Dana protected GSP and his LHW division for 2 years, from the best p4p only to see Silva's skills diminish. Way to go Dana.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:28
Going into the fight, I wanted Sonnen to get Silva down for at least a round. I wanted Silva to eat some elbows and GnP. Silva is one of my favorite fighters, but after the Maia fight, he needed to eat some humble pie and be shown some humility. Sonnen did that. I don't think we'll ever see the asshole Silva inside the ring again.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:31
Saying it in plainer english.... gsp can beat silva. I was of the very few who did not want that fight until last night. Sonnen showed exactly why I want that fight now which kills. Will not happen but would be awesome. Put an ounce of finish in sonnen and last night was over in 3. And again, props to silva for making lemonaid.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:31
Am I the only one that is bored to tears watching Clay Guido fight? I mean, he seems like a great kid but fuck he just sort of bounces all over the place. Also, I hate watching him handicap himself with that hair as well.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:39
@cynic - since chael did in fact submit to his opponent, complaining about the ref is pretty pointless. it is easy to assume that you probably do not even know who the ref is. in fact, you probably thought that same ref did a great job when he let brock get punished by shane in round 1 of their fight last month. the ref's job is to make sure the rules are followed and to stop the bout if a fighter gets knocked out, cannot intelligently defend himself or taps out. if he stops a fight early or fails to stop a fighter from breaking the rules, he deserves criticism, but in this case, josh rosenthal did his job and he did it quite well.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:43
First off, GSP was the #1 P4P fighter in the world heading into yesterday's PPV. The Spider took a backseat with his last 3 title defenses/sideshows. After yesterday's show, even with the AS nuthuggers out there (cough *yahoo* cough) saying that this fight adds positively to the Spider's legacy to somewhat "legendary" status, the fact is Silva got outclassed for >90% of the fight. GSP has yet to have that happen to him as champion. GSP is still the #1 P4P guy in this business. AS stays at numero dos. Secondly, regarding the context of the word "lucky." The context of "lucky" can be described, in an MMA forum, as coming from the brink of defeat to pull off an unlikely finish via KO or submission. Anderson Silva is lucky to still be MW champ as he was down 4 rounds to zip. Even Silva would admit that he "kinda got lucky" that Chael exposed himself to the triangle/armbar. It's kinda like if Tim Sylvia caught Capt. America in a kimura. All of you fockers would say Sylvia got so fucking lucky. Also, I bet you guys didn't say that Fabricio Werdum got lucky; Fedor got caught. However, to flip the script, I bet a shit load of y'all opined that Scott Smith was lucky as hell vs. Cung Le. Third, I actually became a Chael Sonnen fan. Except for winning the belt, Sonnen did everything he said he was gonna do to Silva. Gotta tip your hat off to the funniest douchebag in MMA and perhaps the toughest as well. All in all, great night of fights, enjoyed the whole card. Lastly, to all you trolls out there bashing CP's emotionally based articles... uh, like there's any objective journalism in any news sites today. I've got a bridge for you guys to patrol. But don't y'all fuck with my goats!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:44
Chael couldnt finish a slice of pizza. 23 minutes and he couldnt do shit to stop the fight not even a cut, yeah hes a great wrestler, but he apparently loves him some balls in his face casue he cant stay away from the triangle. say what you will about sliva, but he finishes fights and dances to decisions when his opponent is unworthy.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:48
Guess hes not so p4p anymore. I'm surprised he wasn't ktfo in the first round. Looked terrible. Hope this humbles him into I dunno, actually finishing fights. Still 23 minutes of getting your ass kicked and embarrassed for 150k? Yeah I'd take that too!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:53
Chael didn't kind of tap. He tapped. When Fedor tapped once nobody was throwing that "kind of tapped" shit around. Rosenthal didn't kind of stop the fight. He stopped the fight. It's obvious CP either had some cash on Chonnen or were drunk and celebrating Anderson's demise before the 5th round was over considering they've yet to admit Chael tapped. I wish Rosenthal had not stopped the fight because Chael wasn't going anywhere and Silva would have started planting those elbows in Chael's head giving him a few splits to match the one on his eye. The fight is over. Anderson won. He's the greatest. If this had been a comeback by someone like Randy Couture (or ahem, Brock Lesnar) you guys wouldn't be playing this "but the other guy won most of the fight" ignorant bullshit. Way to stick up for the Republican liar.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:54
well that certainly took long enough to read thru all the shit on this thread, but kudos go out to: Rex cromag danomite shortbus Jim harbaugh Bodysnatcher these guys GET IT. They understand the reality of last nights fight. nobody is nuthugging like the majority of the idiots on here, they see what really happened, not only did Anderson get dominated , up until Chael tapped, he was exposed for what he is. And what he is, is the champ, BUT he is no longer the pound for pound anything. he is now a lucky dancing fool who better take his beating, broke ribs, and bullshit talk, throw it out the window and get serious about training against his weaknesses, and his weaknesses make him less than the greatest ever like so many have pumped him up to be. I thank Sonnen for exposing Silva, now in the rematch maybe he will knock this fool out and retire him like he said. Crazy world ain't it?
Sun, 08/08/10 - 11:55
Dude... he hit him Silva with some very bit shots and elbows. It's much easier to cut Sonnen than it is Silva. If Sonnen had him himself with those shots, his face would have been beaten to a bloody pulp by the end of the first. Sonnen's sub defense has always been questionable, but Silva did a good job setting it up. He hit Sonnen with a hard elbow off his back, that froze Sonnen for a second and then Silva threw up the triangle. We all knew if Sonnen was going to win, it was going to be by decision. He's still the only person I have ever seen rock Silva (which I was *shocked* to see) and he put on an amazing performance and the first person in the UFC to get the better of Silva (whom many consider the best P4P fighter on the planet)....repeatedly. ...but that's not good enough for ktfo... future of the MW division.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:19
Horrible opinion piece. Silva was not hurt by any of Sonnen's limp wristed "punches" and while it took him 4 rounds to finish the job, at least he finished the job. Face it, everyone knew Sonnen wasn't going to finish anything. The judges would for him. Anderson knew the plan the whole time, gave him and the fans 4 rounds to let the guy give it his best shot, got bored halfway through the 5th and like clockwork, he non-nonchalantly places Sonnen in a triangle. There was no frantic-ness to Silva, never a panic. Him putting his hands down in the 2nd or the first was a way of him saying, "Your punches are weak." and they must have been as Silva withstood 4.5 rounds of it, and STILL came our with less facial damage. Who is the better fighter? One that swings at the fences and throws you around for 20 minutes while not really doing much in terms of damage? Or one that can withstand 20 minutes of said foreplay and then still put your ass to sleep when you least expect it? I can tell you who I'd rather fight and it's not Silva. You guys got it backwards. Silva is the overall better fighter here, not do nothing Sonnen.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:26
I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but I swear Anderson Silva was told to let Chael into those later rounds. He didn't look like he was looking for a submission until the last round. He had the same opportunities for the past 3 rounds. I was jumping up at down at my buddies place wondering why he doesn't use those long legs and wrap them around Chael's neck. Maybe it was Anderson's gameplan to let Chael into the later rounds where he'll be tired and ineffective to stop a submission, but all I know is Chael looked worse than Anderson did. His whole face was fucked up by elbows, where Anderson had a little mouse on his left eye from Chael's baby punches. A win is a win, and that was a beautiful triangle/arm bar (which seems to be the trend lately), so I know that I at least won't be calling it a "lucky win" like some "journalists" are. You guys write for an MMA website, get over yourselves.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:30
Its funny people have a problem with Silvas comeback win but no one is complaining about Stuves win? Stefan was moments away from getting ktfo but managed to turn it around in round 2 with a ko finish. Everyone loves it. Silva, who was no where near in the same trouble as Struve, manages to get the win with a finish near the end of the match. Both had amazing comebacks and deserve the win.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:30
When did the Potato Nation become the thought police? Go read something else if it upsets you so much. I don't care who you're a fan of, Silva got rocked on the feet and dominated on the ground. As for the stoppage, it seemed to me like both fighters tried to continue to fight, so was the iffy stoppage justifiable? Honestly I think too much was on the line for Sonnen to tap. Surely he would rather gut it out or go to sleep trying.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:30
@ NipGrid I posted a similar line earlier. I believe (a part of) Silva knew what he was doing throughout the fight; that he was putting on a good show to appease DW and those Abu Dabi hadjis...that he is just that good. Maybe he was bidding his time because he wanted to submit Sonnen for talking all that shit about Silva's "fake" Noguerra black belt; which he alluded to in the post-fight interview.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:35
Another new record for CP backlash!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:48
wow are the silva nuthuggers out in full force today lol cant wait for gsp to move up now i used to be a little nervous about my boy (yes im a gsp nuthugger so what lol) fighting silva but that fight last night made me feel a whole lot better about his chances
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:48
Look, this is the 1st fight we've ever seen ( in the UFC ) where Anderson was not in control. As much as I didn't think it would happen, Chael roughed him up for 4.5rds and nullified everything the champ could throw at him. If it had gone to a decision Chael would have easily won all 5 rds, but as we know it did not, Chael got careless and Silva was smart enough to go for broke and try the triangle, Silva gets the W but Chael won the fight, anyone who watched it knows that to be true.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:58
Anyone who thinks silva let this fight go that long and won on demand is an idiot. Period. I do not think he go lucky, I think chael got sloppy. As for struves comeback vs. Spiders, struves is a bit more decisive.... I.e it was a complete knockout. Personally I want a 2nd fight but do not expect sorres to ever allow that to happen.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 12:59
Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 01:09
@ccman I dont know dude there might be something to it. Just look how AS zoned out in the first round, just letting shots come at him. I think he was running at about 60% the whole fight. I agree that Struves knockout of that hairy chick with the big tits was pretty lucky but I gotta say I am amazed the UFC keeps bringing him back. Hes kind of a big, gangly, punching bag for everyone in the HW div. I would like to see him drop down to the LW or WW and fight GSD or Frankie Edgar. At 6'11" at 155 pounds he would be unstoppable. While hes losing weight he could learn BJJ and Boxing and maybe a little MT action.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 01:10
Apparently I'm going to have to re-iterate my post from last night. Chael fought a great fight, Anderson looked a little off his game. Chael used an incredible amount of energy controlling and kicking the snot out of Spiderson for 23 solid minutes, you could visibly see him slowing in rounds 3 and 4. The only time Spiderson looked in real trouble was in round 1 when Chael's punches on the feet actually got through and Spiderson began blocking punches with his face. The Spider is a tough bastard and Chael is lacking in finishing power and finishing technique. Chael's top control and submission defense looked good until the fatigue caught up with him and unfortunately he was unable to finish Anderson and the crafty bastard slapped one on. Cheal looked great but in my opinion wore himself out. He should work on stopping fights and submission defense. The Spider looked like shit but proved he's tough as nails. He took a twenty three minute beating and still had the presence of mind to win the fight. That's how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 01:11
This fight was a fix, a work, a sham. Sonnen jobbed to put Silva back over while making himself look good. He beat the shit out of Silva for four and a half rounds then decided to cash the bonus check and let Silva win. People make fun of pro wrestling, ufc is no different than wwe.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 01:12
Fedor tapped once to Werdum. Can we at least all agree that Chael was not getting out of this triangle once Silva cinched it up after the ankle adjustment? It was tap or nap in about 10 secs. When Silva cinched it up, it almost looked like he grabbed Chael's left wrist/hand to prevent him from tapping so he could put him to sleep. Chael then raised his right arm like most do that are on the fence about tapping while trying to ride out a choke, then he TAPS. I think people do this arm gesture to really make certain that the arm is being watched and the tap is visible when they are ready, and it was in this case.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 01:16
This does prove that if GSP got bigger he'd wreck Silva though I'd say. If Chael can do it,a larger GSP definitely could. That being said, Anderson Silva is a great fighter and that was an amazing comeback win. FACT
Sun, 08/08/10 - 01:18
@ Let it rain Sonnen wasn't getting out of that. He pulled out of the triangle a bit, but Silva had his arm in a nasty twist. He'd break his arm before Sonnen would ever have time to pull out of end the round. If Sonnen actually didn't tap he would've been jumping up and down, complaining to the refs, yelling at DW and Joe Rogen. He didn't do any of that. He knew he tapped.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 01:51
Wait a minute didn't GSP get outclassed and KO'd by underdog Matt Serra and lose his title. Nobody is holding that against him in P4P rankings. Not a nuthugger just a fan of good fighting...and most of all winning. Thats the only stats that count in Fighting...the win column and who you face...who you beat and almost everybody that Anderson has faced has been at or near the top of the division at the time (except irvin, leites, and leben). He didn't look good but he won and that's what his job is. The fact that so many people are complaining puzzles me. He finished the fight, it wasn't a controversial decision or a bad ref stoppage...Sonnen tapped. Anderson took advantage of an opportunity and Sonnen didn't finish him or fight off the attempt...Sonnen tapped...he quit with 2mins left. Give the man his credit...he has beat everybody the UFC has put before him decisively (nobody likes the decisions but nobody argues with them either). Personally I think Aldo is probably the P4P best but Anderson is in the conversation and how anyone can rationalize a WIN hurting that status is just dumb. I for one can't wait to see GSP vs Silva...GSP loses its not because he got beat...He was hurt or Silva was just bigger with longer reach....blah blah blah. Its all B.S. in the end because a Win or a Loss against a game opponent is all anyone really cares about.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:19
Alright, I'm officially done with Cage Potato. All this shit about "luck", proves you guys know absolutely nothing about MMA. Apparently Werdum just got lucky too, huh? And WTF is with all the pro-wrestling bits you faggots always do? PRO-WRESTLING IS GAY. QUIT PUTTING IT'S REFRENCES ON YOUR SITE, LEST YOU LOOK GAY. Everyone head on over to BloodyElbow.com They routinely have more news and updates, they routinely have more videos, more intelligent writers, and a much better community. Cage Potato is nothing but a bunch of Brock Lesnar fans that made a site when he fought Mir the first time.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:22
Its not that he won that hurts his status its that he looked like he trained with kimbo slice on takedown defence for the first twenty three and a half minutes of that fight. Props to him for the win but having shitty takedown defence hurts your p4p rankings period.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:33
>>>> chuck w and yes gsp did get caught by serra. that was not silva getting caught by sonnen lol. i think it was the other way around and i dont think that fight last night will hurt sonnens ranking too much lol but it may affect silvas just saying
Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:38
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Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:40
I like Chuck am failing to see why GSP is at the top in p4p. Its almost as if his loss to Matt Sera, Matt Hughes, and probably the first GSP vs. Penn fight, seems to be removed from everyone's memory. Then to follow it up, people are equating Anderson's miracle victory to GSP tapping due to punches. Was it a lucky punch, sure. Then like every other Greg Jackson fighter, GSP changes up his style to focus on wrestling down his opponent and throwing weak punches while on top. Its the Greg Jackson formula. Rashad did it against Jackson, and Carwin will start doing it now after his loss to Brock. But on to a Silva vs. GSP fight: 1. Silva's getting old, and doesn't have much speed left. Blame Dana, this fight should have taken place 1-2 years ago, but he was trying to protect his Canadian cash cow. Hey, let's put Vancouver or Quebec on the schedule and put GSP on the card. 2. GSP could get caught, and it'll be done. 3. Silva has beaten both Hendo and Sonnen, are we really going to say that GSP's wrestling is better or as good as those two. 4. Anderson loves fighting, he will learn how to protect himself from takedowns. If this fight happens in 6 months I see Anderson winning. But because of poor planning by UFC, it'll be another year. So its a toss up.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:43
On supposedly backing up all his trash talk: in my experience when trying to "beat a hole in someones head" the best place to start is to try to break the skin. ROFL. On "lucky" submissions: I don't get where these luck comments come from. AS used a precise technique that had an obvious goal and succeeded. by your definition sonnen was lucky to take anderson down so much considering he normally just fucks people up on his feet. those lucky four rounds obviously weren't enough to combat the pure skill and martial arts genius that is THE SPIDER On this strange new word "deserved": I'm really confused by this one...is deserved a new martial art? one that somehow lets you have a chance of winning after you tap out? i find it hard to believe that a style of fighting that circumvents the fundamental rules of mma would be allowed in competition. that being said it does sound like a very interesting and dominant style if utilized correctly. correct usage being to tap like a bitch then proceed to pretend like you didn't tap and still want to fight On questionable tapping (LOL): BREAKING NEWS: Nevada state athletic commission introduces new 10tapmust tapout system! Now no fight will ever be stopped prematurely! Arm broken before you can tap ten times? suck it up princess. but in all seriousness if anyone finds the stoppage questionable they need to go to some kind of doctor because i don't know exactly what is wrong with you but there's definitely something On deleting my account: Your secret gay lover chael wouldn't be very happy with how badly you dealt with my trash talk. be a man and own up to the stupid shit you write son
Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:44
oh and xdresser1251 go fuck yourself then unfuck yourself just so you can go fuck yourself again get lost. That was lucky with a capital 'holy fuck you're shitting me' lucky and you know it although you're probably so velcroed to silvas nuts you believe that silva was toying with him for four and a half rounds before deciding to finish him. although you probably think finish him means to give anderson silva the full rusty trombone until he gives you cab money so you can get your skanky ass back home
Sun, 08/08/10 - 02:50
I don't see how having no takedown defense hurts your p4p ranking when even if your lack of it is completely exposed you still finish the fight and walk away the champ. "fighting through adversity", now apparently known as "losing". it's mma people not mixed wrasslin. the real story here is that in the post fight interview chael seemed very humble. HA like that will last. can't wait for him to get subbed again and start calling it "gay". hey guess what a "gay guy" just demonstrated his complete superiority over you, be more mad
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:03
@ webby Really? I'm pretty sure it does.Didnt marquardt's ranking go down after sonnen? didn't hardys ranking go down after gsp? didnt henderson's go down after shieldzzzzz.didnt kimbos go down after country breakfast (lol sorry couldnt help throwing that one in there) pretty sure your p4p ranking is based on numerous aspects of your fighting ability, takedown defence being one of the more important ones seeing that there are so many wrestlers in the game just ask anyone whos fought brock or gsp or sheildzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh sorry got sleepy there for a minute
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:10
Why aren't seeing this for what it is. Anderson took a beating, but managed to pull through and win the fight. He didn't looks great, no doubt, but he definitely proved he has a chin and doesnt quit. Chael gave a beating and proved that he is definitely a world class wrestler. Bottom line, you can be a great wrestler but if you can't finish a fight then expect the BJJ guy to eventually find a sub if you are gonna keep him concious. I dunno why Chael "deserved" the win, in the last round he gave the fight away. Anderson left with his belt, in the end, thats really all that matters. He might be exposed, but believe me, he does deserve a little credit for staying alert and for working for a sub throughout the time he was on his back. Chael showed how important wrestling is to the game but he has to learn how to finish. If this rematch happens, I don't see Anderson being so easy to take down. I really think he under-estimated Chael's ability to put people on their back. That wasn't the same Anderson that fought Hendo, and I do not believe Anderson has lost a step yet. Every champion that is ever remembered goes through at least a couple of these battles. The P4P bullshit is just that, bullshit. I'm a GSP and Silva fan, but lets not forget what Serra did to GSP. Anderson still have never lost in the Octagon.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:21
@KingShithed Lucky? There is no fucking LUCK IN MMA, Faggot. You either win, or you don't. I'm sorry this isn't the WWF where they have story writers penciling in a "lucky roll up" or some shit for you. When did Sonnen finish Silva? When did that happen? When did Silva lose consciousness after like 20 clear bombs to the dome? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? Chael backed up his wrestling pedigree, which is a whole hell of a lot more than someone like Fitch can say. But he didn't win shit. He was 2min away from winning a decision, because he lacks the tools to put someone away. Silva stayed conscious throughout, kept fighting for an arm, kept stiffling whatever rabbit punches Sonnen threw, and weathered the bombs when he got hit. Really though, why was Sonnen toying with Silva for 4 rounds and not finishing? That's the question you should be asking yourself, queermo. Oh, that's right. Sonnen wasn't toying at all. He tried to finish Silva, and couldn't. That's when he got caught by a better fighting style.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:23
Sonnen has every right in the world to be pissed at himself, but the bottom line is that he still comes out of last night as a winner for one reason and one reason only in my book: he went out and fought the 4th and 5th rounds of a fight he had all but won, something Anderson Silva has never done. Sure, it may well have cost him his "12 pounds of gold" but at least Sonnen had the mettle to do more than just answer the bell in the championship rounds. Whether he meant to or not, he actually succeeded in making a mockery of Silva's conduct as a champion. When Silva came out of his corner looking pissed off and ready to hunt down Sonnen, Sonnen answered him head-on rather than tugging his junk around the octagon and throwing capoeira kicks. He gets a loss on his record for his troubles, which has to sting, but at the end of the night, he did a hell of a lot more for the sport than Anderson Silva did
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:23
Chael and Silva must have an immediate rematch! Think Lyoto and Shogun....Ill give you that Lyoto and Shogun was more of a rip off than the decisive win like AS got last night. But for shitsake Chael beat his ass the entire night.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:25
"Chael beat his ass the entire night"??? Then why wasn't his hand raised?
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:26
but anderson has lost three times four if you count his dq
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:30
kingzipperhead proving me right by accident. those examples you mentioned were LOSSES. In case you weren't watching the fight or haven't heard ANDERSON SILVA won and is still the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION. Sonnen could be able to take down a fucking polar bear but after it bites his head off are you gonna be talking about the bears fucking takedown defense? LOLOLOL
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:30
hey x-dresser thought you were leaving?
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:38
lol i must admit the polar bear comment was funny ya i can kind of see your point kind of like brocks lack of standup prowness is made up for by the fact he's a fucking beast. but brock was exposed a little and so was anderson. all im saying is i think it definitely hurts his status hes still a fucking animal i would never want to fight but his aura has lost a bit of its lustre and i still think tdd is a huge part of your game
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:50
I want to find the person who wrote this article and superman punch him in the face! Where has everyone's respect gone? I was not anymore proud of Silva's performance yesterday than i was the last time around, he fought a terrible fight! but that does not give ignorant writers the write to ridicule him in their articles. I don't understand how people can even like Sonnen. The guy is a piece of shit and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out... It's funny how karma works, after all the shit he talked not only did he tap out, he also took the tap out back like the bitch he is... If he was nearly as tough as he creates himself to be he wouldn't have tapped.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:53
and x1251 ill stop with the name calling for now it was only cuz you were bashing the potato. but ya that was one lucky fucking triangle he took twenty minutes to be able to apply his "outstanding" bjj to chael so yes lucky, rinse, repeat if necessary.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 03:55
All this to and fro is very entertaining, however, I paid to watch this yesterday, saw the whole thing actually, and from my spot on the couch I observed the following things Big Roy has a concrete chin but needs to work on his cardio Matt Hughes, love him or hate him is still a beast Clay Guida must have been a ADHD kid, but I love watching him fight Fitch is a great wrestler but hes not the most exciting fighter to watch Struve is a gangly awkward 15 ft tall who pulled a bitch move at the start of the second round Chael Sonnen fought well and gave it his all, unfortunately it wasn't enough. Hell of a win for the Spider Now, who ya got, Randy or Mumbles, BJ or Frankie?
Sun, 08/08/10 - 04:03
randys chin should be good enough to get in close and take lights out down and then its all over and god i love frankie but bj takes the rematch with more aggressive standup this time backing frankie up, takedowns and finally some kind of bjj choke im gonna say arm in triangle to finish him off
Sun, 08/08/10 - 04:14
Yea I'm thinkin BJ is not gonna let this one go by him, and Randy with the takedowns and wicked G n P. Gotta say we sure do have some passionate fans here at CP, and anyone who wants to bag us out or call us immature nuthuggers(even if its tru) can fuck off back to BE or wherever you came from. If you've actually observed behavioral patterns here on CP, we fire up before the fights, the respective camps kick the fucken shit out of each other for approx 2-3 days after the fights, and get it all of their chests, we then have periods where we concentrate on just tryin to be funny until the next fights roll around and we start the whole process again. If you dont like the way we roll over here then fuck off Peace, Love and Happy Monday morning to the nation
Sun, 08/08/10 - 04:15
Dude, I don't get it... How was that a lucky triangle??? Have you ever slapped on a triangle on someone mildly familiar with how to defend it??? Have you ever been triangled??? There is absolutly no luck to it... Its all on how you set it up, or in this case, finding it.. When you roll enough times, you develope an instinct for finding submissions when your opponent hands them to you... Sonnen giftwrapped his arm to Silva, and Silva instinctively reacted by locking in the triangle... *** That being said, all the props in the world to Sonnen for doing something no UFC fighter has ever done... Sonnen is a bad ass, and I hope he gets another chance... He certainly proved he belongs with the top dogs at 185... But at the end of the day, he lost. He'll be the first to tell you he lost... Sonnen fought 23 perfect minutes... One small little fuck up, and now he's suffering from disappointment... That's the simple nature of MMA...
Sun, 08/08/10 - 04:35
It was an armbar from the triangle position
Sun, 08/08/10 - 04:52
I think everyone is kind of going over the top with their emotions in response to this article. In regards to the article itself, no one is forcing you to agree with what is said in it. No one is forcing you to take the CP wrister's opinion as your own. Hell, no one is even forcing you to read it. All journalism is biased from whatever point you're standing at. That's just fact, welcome to reality. As far as the ffight goes. Lucky may be a little much when describing that sub, however that's not really what anyone should be thinking in regards to that fight. It really just reveals that Anderson isn't as unbeatable and unworldly as originally though. Despite the fact that he won, this win disperses the mystique he was shrouded by and shows that someone with a combination of good wrestling, decent submission offense, and decent submission defense could dethrone the 185 kingpin. I believe Silva's rank remains the same obviously, but Sonnen's surprisingly shouldn't fall due to the loss, but possibly rise if not remain the same. Begin the attacks on my statements. Everyone seems so damn hostile, so its expected.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 05:16
@ sabado when i say lucky i meant he was lucky that he was able to find an opening for it after twenty three minutes on his back getting ass raped by chael not that he threw his legs up and discovered how to triangle somebody right there last night for the first time im pretty sure he's known the technique for awhile now
Sun, 08/08/10 - 05:21
More evidence that a GSP vs SILVA fight is just stupid. GSP is such the better fighter. Have Silva fight Roy Nelson. BONG!!!
Sun, 08/08/10 - 05:22
Am i the only one who thinks that the big right Silva delivered from the bottom when Chael was resting in Andersons guard contributed to the sub? After he got hit he became less active for just enough time for Anderson to sink in that choke/armbar. And can we please stop calling this a lucky sub or saying that Chael didnt tap. That was deep and Sonnen was not getting out of it. There was no way he was going to hold out for another 2 min. I watched Lesnar get pounded for a round then sink a choke in against Carwin. I watched Mir get mauled and sink in an ankle lock against Lesnar. And everyone has a story of Big Nog surviving a beating and pulling a sub out so why are we holding it against Silva? That is whats amazing about this sport. One mistake can change the outcome of any fight. Chael fucked up, Anderson capitalized, end of story.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 05:25
@KingZipper - He actually submitted lutter with the same move
Sun, 08/08/10 - 05:26
when i was *legally* watching this ufc i kept telling my buddy that anderson would pull a submission out of his ass at some point....and sonnen gave him the chance. all i'm saying is ... sonnen's other personality wouldn't have tapped.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 05:43
Amazing. Not only is Cage Potato filled with little keyboard warriors thinking that they know what they are talking about, sucking the wifi from their local "internet hotspots" (ie the highschool library) but they are also now all journalists!! You guys continue to amaze me, you really do. You can do EVERYTHING so GOOD over the internet.......
Sun, 08/08/10 - 05:48
A little bit biased this comment. CP is becoming a fking joke lately.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 06:26
This site, its writing and its analysis are not what they used to be.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 06:34
Solution: stop scrolling down
Sun, 08/08/10 - 06:34
I just returned from the US of A, and Was completely thrilled with the experience of seeing my first UFC event live. The people of the Bay area were very nice and friendly. The Oracle was a fantastic place to see these fights as i don't think there was a bad seat in the house. Roy Nelson is now one of my favorite fighters, anyone who could take that kind of punishment for 3 rounds is one tough Mofo. I hate Matt Hughs but will give credit where it is due and he shocked the hell outta me with that win. Thiago Silva needs to move up a weight division, and Fitch is vying for my vote as one of the most boring fighters in the UFC....horrible fight.... Jon Fitch is the best reason you'll ever have to go grab a beer that you'll ever need. Fuck can you imagine if you will him and Jake Sheildzzzzzzzzzz fighting? that would get the Geriatric folks signing up for UFC PPV. The main event had every person in the arena on there collective feet for 4.5 rounds. Nobody sat down for the remainder of the fight. Chael Sonnen should be commended for making this one of the most memorable fights in UFC history. I really thought we were going to se a huge upset in the making. but,....No lucky Sub???????WTF? no such thing? Anderson undeniably was getting his ass handed to him throughout the entire fight, I couldn't believe he had "NO ANSWER" to the take-down,....aught, blank, bottom, cipher, insignificancy, nada, nadir, naught, nil, nix, nobody, nonentity, nought, nullity, oblivion, ought, rock bottom, scratch, shutout, void, zilch, zip, zot. AS a Muay Thai Instructor I love Andersons Stand-up, but never expected this type of man-handling by Sonnen,.....not in a million years. Like Lesnar's near death experience, Silva was given the same wake-up call, thereby giving all his future opponents a path to victory over these two Champions. One more thing I found disconcerting at the fight, "REAL" fans of MMA do not boo someone at the beginning of a fight and switch to chants of USA, USA! when that same person is winning, then just as a fickle fucker would start singing the praises of the guy who pulls out the miraculous win when it's all over. That really pissed me off. Great card, Great fights, capricious fans,.......for shame Oakland.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 06:38
if i went in there and tapped sonnen w/ a triangle it would definitely be considered "luck" based on the fact that i haven't ever had formal training. silva tapping sonnen was NOT luck. that was the result of years of hard work. get your shit together CP.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 07:12
I rewatched the fight, twice. And there is one thing that is very apparent to me. Chael Shonnen did some really stupid things. I mean really stupid. Its like he beat Silva and around the late third round, simply didn't know what to do. Its like if he.... couldn't finish the fight. So as a result, he just started punching like Ralphie in a Christmas Story. If you have the video, rewatch the final round, and you'll see Sonnen in Silva's guard just flailing his arms, punching his sides. Why? You're winning the fight. This is like Courture spanking Tito. Sonnen wasn't doing this to win the fight, but to make a point. Its like he was going not for only for the win, but for utter embarrassment, and later paid for it.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 08:44
It ain't luck if it is what you are trying to do. Chael needs to learn more BJJ, he keeps getting "caught" with "lucky" submissions to lose fights. Stupid analysis. Sonnen only dominated because he doesn't know how to finish fights. One dimensional guys like him and Fitch are not real fighters, just wrestlers who know how to play the decision game. If you are in a favorable position, you have to take a risk in trying to finish a fight, either with a submission attempt or with a KO attempt. Fitch and Sonnen are too scared to be on their backs to really go for the win. Silva was the better fighter on Saturday because he finished the fight.
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:26
I would just like to add, all the fighters that I like are really cool. All the fighters I dont like are one dimensional boring and they suck. All the articles I like are really cool, all the articles I dont like suck, and have been contributed by retarts. All the comments that I find funny are fucken hilarious, all the comments I dont find funny are really stupid, written by retarts, newbs or trolls and they all suck. Yes I know this section is designed for everyone to post THEIR OWN COMMENTS AND OPINIONS, but it had better agree with my opinion or its lame as fuck and it sucks. Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen for your time
Sun, 08/08/10 - 09:38
Haha for anyone who doesn't agree with frank here:
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:00
Just had to let em know Almost and BE is................> thataway
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:03
Also, we all seem to have overlooked the biggest highlight of yesterdays event, Clay Guida's burp of the night, that was fucken classic
Sun, 08/08/10 - 10:07
Geez, this one is just as bad as the article written after Carwin vs Lesnar. Saying Silva just got "lucky" is so ignorantly stupid. Nate Marquardt probably called this exactly how it played out. He said Sonnen could dominate with his ground and pound and could win if he could avoid getting triangled. He credited Silva with having a good triangle. Sonnen fought an awesome fight last night. He deserves an A for the way he mopped the Octagon floor with Anderson Silva. We saw Anderson Silva getting dominated in a way that we'd never seen before. Yet despite it all, he still managed to find the single opportunity available to remain champion. He is not invincible... but he is champion.
Mon, 08/09/10 - 02:55
Am I the only one who remembers the Luter fight? He was close to losing that fight as well..but guess what he won...by triangle.
Mon, 08/09/10 - 06:05
There is no doubt that Sonnen looked a million times better than he has done in previous fights. He actually looked like he could have finished Silva a few times – managed to get close and land some great shots. His tank was really good and tbh I would be surprised if anyone here still thought Anderson was going to win when Sonnen put him on his back again in the 5th. However, lets not forget Sonnen is a complete and utter pr!ck. He lies, talks rubbish and tries to cheat. That fake tap stuff at the end was disgusting of him. He knew what he was doing and if I was Silva in the heat of the moment I would have tried to break his damn arm in half – looked like he was setting up for an arm bar anyway. Come on though… you’ve dominated for almost 25 minutes, get caught in a triangle choke (so it’s not like you’re going to have something broken) I’m sorry but no way would I tap to that. You’d rather go to sleep and hope to hell that some how the choke slips. He tapped pretty quickly and he was actually moving for position at a similar time to tapping. Strange call by Sonnen but it did look like he bitched out ha.
Mon, 08/09/10 - 06:13
This loss will dog Sonnen for the rest of his life. To have that kind of a domineering performance SQUASHED in the last two min. of the fight... It will be hard NOT to think about it. Silve IS the best pound for pound fighter in the world @ this point and time because he pulled what would have definitely been the end of his Champion reign, into yet another victory! I'd like to see a rematch down the line!
Mon, 08/09/10 - 06:30
^ Yea this loss is gonna have Sonnen rocken back and forth,curled up in a foetal position, just talking himself through what he should have done..........and knowing, deep in his heart, he just fucked up possibly the greatest opportunity of his life, MMA career wise
Mon, 08/09/10 - 06:34
Sonnen did his job and kicked Silvas ass for nearly 5 rounds, and suspiously the champ, still retained his title. Sonnen punished Silva and had an opportunity to be the champ pretty early into the fifth round via arm triangle, he had the position and had it sunk in but what did he do, he climbed back on top of silva and gave it up Sonnnen could have tapped out Silva Why, maybe Sonnen was only task was to punish Silva. Conspiracy theory. Makes no sense, who else noticed?
Mon, 08/09/10 - 06:43
I don't know if I could go so far as to say Silva got his ass whooped those four rounds. He definitely got completely handled, but for him to take all those little short rabbit punches and end the fight with not so much as a scratch. It's hard to call that an outright ass whoopin. For as much as Sonnen did and I admit he was on his way to being the champ no if, ands, or buts, I would expect Silva's face to show of the war he was just in. To call Silva lucky I think is a strech also. He's a black belt in bjj, and of the 3 or 4 submission attempts he made he threw that on Sonnen pretty quick and convincingly. It wasn't like he was on his back just fishing for a submission. The attempts he made were well timed and it really would only be a matter of time especially in a 5 round fight that if you're not hurting your opponent and fighting from in his guard that you would get caught with a submission. It can happen to great fighters and Sonnen is no exeption. That said Sonnen did a hell of a job, but Silva is still the Champ
Mon, 08/09/10 - 07:09
@ Bossnasty, amen to that my friend, summed it up nicely ( you should do some articles here), as mentioned in some other post, Sonnen hit him 289 times, should have been pieces of skull breaking off after that many blows
Mon, 08/09/10 - 08:26
lol really now, to say someone got "lucky" or that their submission victory was "miraculous" is disrespectful to BJJ. He has trained BJJ for a very long time, and trains with 2 of the best BJJ guys in the sport (the Nogueira brothers) ..."lucky"? Get the f*** out of here!
Mon, 08/09/10 - 05:07
pppssssssstttt, hey you....yeah you...dumbass...... Anderson got......LUCKY. Live with it, cause everyone including Anderson knows he got...LUCKY. So wake up, the pound for pound best is not Anderson, a crazy fuck just used him, and wasn't smart enough to avoid being caught by lucky boy, it is what it is. At the end of the night Silva needed to pull something lucky out of his ass, and it wasn't professorMMA, or Mofo's tongue, it was a triangle, and it saved him a real embarrassing lose on his record, and by doing so he still lost, and Chael won. just like when shogun beat machida's ass and lost...he still won really, everyone recognized who the better of the 2 really was, and no belt changed that. Maybe next time like shogun chael will knock Anderson out, then all you swingers will find a new nut to climb.
Mon, 08/09/10 - 08:02
Shogun lost by a Bullshit decision made by the Shit Athletic Commission Judges...That's why people believed Shogun was the real champ. Anderson secured a submission on a guy who was dominating the fight for 23 mins but couldn't finish the fight....and Chael TAPPED OUT!!! That was a definitive loss because he didn't want his arm snapped in half. Luck has nothing to do with it. Two skilled fighters got in the ring...One finished the fight and left with the belt.
Mon, 08/09/10 - 08:35
work with me here...... LUCK! learn it, live it...love it. you can rationalize, and compare it anything , and you can call it what it was, a win, but it was fucking LUCKY. get over it. Anderson won, and he was goddamn lucky to have done so. That is the word that describes it, not skill, not jedi mind tricks, not anything else, he was fucking lucky, and HE knows it. Yes Chael tapped, LUCKILY for Anderson Chael didn't know how to get out of that. so you can bank on the fact that LUCK played into that win. call it what you want but the word you are really looking for is ...... LUCK!
Tue, 08/10/10 - 04:42
You could escape that armbar/choke? Was Fedor "unlucky" to get caught in it? Of course there is skill....Silva didn't get lucky with the triangle he got lucky that Sonnen didn't ride the last few minutes out on his feet.
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