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UFC 123 Aftermath: Rampage Jackson Sticks to a Game Plan … and Other Shocking Developments

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OK, three things: 1) Did Rampage deserve to win? Yes. 2) Was it a great fight? No. 3) After spending much of the last couple years making movies and generally acting disinterested in the fight game, did we think Jackson had it in him to beat Lyoto Machida leading up to UFC 123? No we did not, but we were wrong. Look, we’re not going to try to sell you a bill of goods that says Rampage looked outstanding out there on Saturday night. He didn’t, but he looked better than he has in some time and he implemented a solid, if unexciting game plan. Props to the much maligned Lance Gibson for cooking up a strategy (controlling the distance, punching off the break, trying to mix in some takedowns) that on this night was good enough to win two rounds against a suddenly very ordinary seeming Machida. Do we need to see them do it again? Meh … not really, so we’re glad UFC President Dana White is also opposed to the idea. Feels nice to agree with Dana for once.

BJ Penn is the real story here. Pretty much everyone on the planet said leading up to his third bout with Matt Hughes that the key for the former lightweight and welterweight champion was to come in motivated and in shape. Well, Penn proved very motivated this weekend. Crazy-eyed, mumbling-to-himself motivated. Unintelligible-after-the-fight motivated. So motivated that we had no time at all to see what kind of shape he was in after he came out of his corner like a house of fire and knocked Hughes cold in just 21 seconds. Now, if you thought Penn-Hughes III was a weird booking for Penn following his back-to-back losses to Frankie Edgar at 155-pounds, just wait to hear who Big DW says he’s got next …

Jon Fitch. That’s right, White says Penn will be sticking around at welterweight to take on Fitch in the main event of UFC 127 in Australia. Apologies to Jake Ellenberger – who was scheduled to face Fitch — but you just got bumped, son. White says the winner of Penn-Fitch could be the No. 1 contender for the 170-pound title, assumedly after Georges St. Pierre, Josh Koscheck and Jake Shields all settle their preexisting business.

While Penn staying at welterweight is probably not the long-term fix for what ailed him for much of 2010, it makes a certain brand of sense considering how ferocious he looked against Hughes. A matchup with Fitch – while initially jarring – is also palatable, once we have had a few minutes to get used to the idea. Fitch is a good representative of the physically strong, takedown-oriented style that gave Penn fits against GSP at UFC 94. It will also be hard for Fitch to have a boring fight with Penn, if he comes out blasting like he did against Hughes. Have to say, we kind of like this fight.

For Country Breakfast and his cammie-wearing Tea Party of fans, it was a sad night, especially when the UFC PPV gave us a farewell shot of Hughes leaning against a wall staring wistfully into the middle distance just before it went off the air last night. Obviously, we knew coming in that Hughes’ three-fight win-streak over Matt Serra, Renzo Gracie and Ricardo Almeida was mostly smoke and mirrors and we knew his stand-up sucked, but damn. We didn’t know all of our worst suspicions about the guy were going to be laid bare so quickly. At this point, the only logical option seems retirement for Hughes. We know he’s bucking to be the third man in the UFC broadcast booth one day and now seems as good a time as any. No reason to drag this thing out longer than we need to.

White was in a fight-booking sort of a mood last night at the postfight presser. Not only did he hand out the Fight of the Night bonus to George Sotiropoulos and Joe Lauzon (really? That was FOTN? Huh.) but he also announced G-Sot’s next fight will be against … Dennis Siver? Seems like a bit of a step backward for the Australian BJJ whiz. For reasons that are totally unknown, the UFC appears intent to slow play Sotiropoulos. Who do they think this dude is, Jon Jones?

Phil Davis nabbed Sub of the Night with his weirdo, bullying-big-brother-style kimura on Tim Boetsch. Penn won KO of the Night, obviously. Speaking of sad, Karo Parisyan got cut for showing up to his “last chance” UFC fight with significant love handles and getting stopped on strikes by Dennis Hallman in the first round.

Now with all that out of the way, let’s all settle in for what we’re sure will be a well-reasoned, well-articulated and entirely polite debate about the 10-point must system in MMA. Take it away, gentlemen.

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Red Baron- November 23, 2010 at 9:12 am
Dearest Drano, I've always used Red Baron. Since you'll never figure it out on your own, I'm a pilot and aviaion buff, hence Red Baron. Get it?

10, 20, 30, 40, 50 or more,
The bloody Red Baron, was rollin' up the score.
Dranoboy died tryin' to end that spree,
Of the bloody Red Baron, but he would never be beat(en).

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. It was fun watching Penn thump Hughes. Imo, wrestlers have been bad for the sport. They're boring to watch, and they're still just as egotistical and dull as they were in high school. Give me some BJJ anyday!

dranokills- November 22, 2010 at 10:28 pm
nice troll job, keep trolling losers.(red baron & mediumrare)
I can call you names till you get bored if need be, but nothing will change it. twist it any way you want, but being a loser is what you do best, so keep that going, its all you have.
Red baron, Red engine, whats next you bloody elbow reject? what will be your next nick from over there?
Why not come back as the red troll, it's more honest and we will have seen you for what you are sooner.
Still having fun troll?
I got all the time in the world, however father time has caught up to you. you are to old, to lame, and not the warrior you always dreamed you were, ha, fucking loser.
Tell us more of your life as a troll. Hows that bridge? keeping it clean under there?
watch out for those billygoats they will ram you.
MediumRare- November 22, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Holy crap! This thread is still alive?!


I'm in Red Baron's corner. He seems to have kicked a whole load of sand into a number of vaginae.
jfjjfjff- November 22, 2010 at 6:10 pm
some thin comment about others being drunk is chapter #1 in baron's trolling-for-dummies handbook.
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 3:44 pm
"Dude I have no clue what you are babbling about. I am asking the powers that be to remove your worthless trolling ass, you have made ZERO friends, and you have no value. Whatever you want to babble about next is unimportant, leave while you can."

Sober up, I'll make more sense to you.

You sissiebaby, WTF are you doing on a MMA forum? Waaaa. I'm taking my ball and going home, waaaa. Pussy.
dranokills- November 22, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Dude I have no clue what you are babbling about. I am asking the powers that be to remove your worthless trolling ass, you have made ZERO friends, and you have no value. Whatever you want to babble about next is unimportant, leave while you can.
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Drano, you retard, you actively took yourself to the 2nd page of CP, then found this thread, then went to the bottom of the 3rd ended up at this precise place by accident???

You're way too stupid for the internet, go back to Etch-A-Sketch.
dranokills- November 22, 2010 at 12:52 pm
cp can you get rid of the trolls please, they have nothing of value to say, and nobody wants to see it.
jfjjfjff- November 22, 2010 at 12:23 pm
so that's what your diagnosis was, small man syndrome?

durrrr... trolling red-baron-style is so difficult.
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 12:16 pm
"my username and ability to speak, type, write, and comprehend at levels far higher than you doesn't matter. if anything, the truth of it is likely embarrassing for you, so i am not sure why you keep drawing attention to it. psychologists would label these defense mechanisms, distortion and projection."

If your psychologist told you it's a defense mechanism, distortion, and projection, who am I to argue with him?

Next session ask him to explain small man syndrome to you. Better yet, have him draw it out with Crayons, paste and glitter.
jfjjfjff- November 22, 2010 at 12:11 pm
my username and ability to speak, type, write, and comprehend at levels far higher than you doesn't matter. if anything, the truth of it is likely embarrassing for you, so i am not sure why you keep drawing attention to it. psychologists would label these defense mechanisms, distortion and projection.
RwilsonR- November 22, 2010 at 11:40 am
Can't we just leave poilitcs and trolling out of this whole thing?

By the way... did you hear that the UFC heavyweight champ is an illegal immigrant Mexican with a giant 'Brown Pride' tattoo on his chest? What's up with that?!
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 11:21 am
Mikesodapop, interesting stuff? You mean like repeated gratuitous jabs at conservatives??? Oh yeah, that's some interesting shit alright. Listen, dumbass, do you lack the self-discipline to look past my posts, or is there maybe a worldwide bandwidth shortage that I didn't hear about? When you see Red Baron, scroll down...see how easy that is? Sheesh, what a dildo.

Jff, your friggin' screen name is as confused as your writing style. That was a compliment, btw, calling your random pecks at the keyboard a writing style. It's more like chicken scratch with 1 finger. How do I know you peck away with 1 finger? Oh, it's just a wild guess. :-)

jfjjfjff- November 22, 2010 at 10:16 am
i can see how a normal bit of text might seem like pig latin to an idiot, especially when it was mostly a direct quote of their own words. but in the spirit of good faith, i will restate (that means, say again in different words):

deflate your ego a bit because you are making yourself look like a shithead. you should be embarrassed rather than proud.

mikesioda- November 22, 2010 at 9:13 am
I'm taking the time to make my 1st post just to say that you need to shut the f%ck up Red Baron. People surf the CP to read semi-interesting/entertaining comments & your posts are boring, lame & ignorant. Nobody gives a shit. Do us all a favor & go do some shots of Drano with your inbred family.
The Hammer- November 22, 2010 at 8:19 am
Hughes should have retired right there would have been nice for him to get a huge applause and feel love of the crowd. rampage deserved that win but damn machida looks like that shogun beat the quickness out of him. bj fitch should and will be a great fight sotiropoulis' body is still the best in the fight world. and where is the arbitrary numbers system that made me love this site in the first place how am i supposed to know where these fighters stand now!?! step up your game CP!!!
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 8:13 am
LAS, don't get your panties in a wad. I merely like pro & con'ing what works and what doesn't in the self defense realm. You know, kinda like Bruce Lee's approach of taking what is good from various styles, and discarding what doesn't work?

If my style bugs ya, you have my permission to skip over my posts...assuming you can figure out how to do that. If you need step-by-step instructions just holler.
MoTropolis- November 22, 2010 at 7:07 am
LOL @ Goog
LAS- November 22, 2010 at 6:31 am
drano and jf are right, Red Baron. If you want to share your life story and piss and moan about the lost warrior way of America, you should try going on Oprah, because maybe then someone will pretend to give a shit.
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 6:30 am
Drano, ahhh, did I hurt your feelings? So, you aren't "talking" to me anymore? That's devastating to me. You want spanked with my green belt? Didn't you hear me the first time, I can break 3 boards, dude. lmao
dranokills- November 22, 2010 at 6:16 am
Red Baron nobody gives a fuck what you think about warrior ways, or glocks, or MMA, or fucking anything. Your point is useless, and no one here wants to talk to you about it. we only want to abuse you for being a fucktard, do you GET that?
So why don't you lighten up, and light outta here asshole?
Goog- November 22, 2010 at 6:09 am
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 5:24 am
Jf, it's early, are you drunk or high already? Why not try to clean that post up so that it doesn't cause a headache trying to decipher. Oh wait, my bad, is it pig latin?

Btw, how do you know "nobody cares about that last sentence" if you didn't read it? See what I mean? Sober up. Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go though life.
jfjjfjff- November 22, 2010 at 4:58 am
red baron, nobody read that last paragraph.
nobody cares.

going out of your way to criticize a tea party reference is a label that everyone translates to "i am dumb / an asshole."

"Oh by the way, YOU'VE BEEN PUNKED!!! I was bored. :-) -- P.S. The best clue was...wait for it.....: 'Never heard of Kempo.' I damn near pissing my pants just typing that. :-)" OMG ROFL LMAO BWAHAHAHAHAH UR SO FUNNIE111

you'd have to be a member of the tea party to fall for such a lame troll. don't pat yourself on the back too hard, you might hurt yourself.
Red Baron- November 22, 2010 at 4:36 am
"red baron, we all get it, you are a bored ass lame old dude with nothing better to do. Message sent, message received.
Please take your wheelchair and go play in the road funny guy."

Oh don't be a crybaby. :-)

Hidden amongst all the fun & games there was a "message." Alas, it wasn't the one you thought, even after I clued you in on the gag.

The entire martial arts community was turned on it's head the night of UFC 1. A lot of karaticas with a lifetime investment in the striking arts were left blowing in the wind after that night. Most of them I knew blew off Royce's accomplishments that night, having too much invesdtment in their style to admit what just happened. They either became insignificant in the martial arts community, or adapted some BJJ into their curriculum. I know this first hand, I had 2 dojos at the time of UFC 1...but I quickly adapted and began training in Gracie JJ.

And the same shift in paradigm has happened again, and again most choose to ignore it...including the MMA guys, this time. The passage of concealed carry laws in 47 states changed the game. Suddenly one group of citizens has the upper hand over all styles. Gone are the days when it makes any sense to act the badass, because now that geek with the pencil protector in his shirt pocket and the Dippity Doo in his hair, just may be packing a Glock 26 in his waistband; and the worst part is, he relishes his newfound equalizer enough that he takes it to the local gun range twice a week and he hits what he aims at.

Concealed carry has done for MMA what MMA did for the striking arts - it has rendered it merely a sport, not a dependable warrior tool.

I take no pleasure in that, as a guy who invested many many years of blood, sweat, and tears in the martial arts. Just the same, and just as I did after watching UFC 1, it is what it is...I now have a concealed carry license in my wallet and a Glock 26 in my waistband. Adapt and improvise.