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UFC 137 Trash-Talk Alert: Cesar Gracie Blasts GSP’s ‘Ultimate Stalling’


(“‘aters gonna ‘ate.” Photo courtesy of CombatLifestyle.)

George St. Pierre‘s genius as an MMA fighter is his ability to put his opponents exactly where they don’t want to be. Against strikers (see: Alves, Hardy), that usually means St. Pierre taking top position on the mat and not giving them an inch of space. Against wrestlers (see: Koscheck, Shields), it usually means keeping the fight standing and jabbing them into a living death.

But in both cases, it hasn’t translated into dramatic finishes recently. Aside from his corner-stoppage win over BJ Penn at UFC 94, the last time that GSP has legitimately TKO’d or submitted an opponent was during his rematch with Matt Serra, over three years ago. Now two months away from his UFC 137 title defense against Nick Diaz, St. Pierre has picked up a reputation among some fans and observers as a “safe” fighter. One of his recent critics is Diaz’s trainer/manager Cesar Gracie, who shared some less-than-kind words to Full Contact Fighter:

The thing is it’s really not my business how he fights; he’s not on my team, so, I truly don’t care how he fights. Now if you’re asking me as a fan, yeah, that style is not what I like to watch. I like to watch guys that just go completely for it, take chances, and give crowds what they want, which is ‘Ultimate Fighting,’ not ‘ultimate stalling’ or anything like that.”

If Gracie is just saying that to get under St. Pierre’s skin and insult him into fighting a different kind of fight against Nick Diaz, well, his strategy probably won’t work. But from a fan’s perspective, he has a point. Keep in mind that Georges St. Pierre was unable to finish Dan Hardy in 25 minutes when they fought at UFC 111, while Carlos Condit subsequently knocked Hardy out in the first round, and Chris Lytle tapped him in the third. That seems to imply something about GSP’s finishing ability and/or risk-aversion.

Meanwhile, Nick Diaz’s current ten-fight win streak includes six TKOs and three submissions. Admittedly, Diaz’s level of competition hasn’t always been as high as GSP’s, but it’s obvious that when both fighters enter a cage, the objective is different. One is looking to win, the other is looking to kill.

So whose strategy will prove more effective when they meet on October 29th? And does GSP’s decision-streak affect your enjoyment of his fights?

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bobbyd- September 1, 2011 at 3:40 am
Gsp will very likely show Diaz for what he is...the champ of a very inferior organization,he had an off night with there middleweight champ Shields, got poked in the eye and still clearly won. That is what great, true champions do.I only hope he finishes him so people will get off his back.He is not boring to watch just rewatch his fights with hughes,penn,fitch(fight of the night)koshcheck...he is a super mixed martial artist.
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bobbyd- August 23, 2011 at 4:42 am
Funny thing about GSP is he is the most watched fighter in MMA...consistently has some of the highest PPV numbers. Is a dominent champion a class act...people complain that he doesn't go for the kill... he doesn't because he is an artist at a sport not a thug like a Diaz. He is the most versatile mma fighter of all time. I love watching him fight, so do a lot of people.
fatbellyfrank- August 23, 2011 at 3:07 am
I enjoy watching GSP fight because i like watching the best, GSP might not show up with the intention of getting on a knockouts highlight reel, but he does show up perfectly prepared, and with a game plan to suit the situation, thats why hes so dominant, not because "he plays it safe' that being said, I'm really looking forward to the Diaz fight to se what sort of tactics both guys show up with, Will be a fucken barn burner.
And for those who say they wouldn't watch GSP's last few fights, I could watch him jab Koz's eye socket into a throbbing pulpy mess on a permanent loop
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Sh3nP- August 22, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Talk Talk Talk. People talk about GSP this and that. BEAT him. If he is soooooooo predictable, then beat him.
2DaDeath- August 22, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Great analogy, Lex T. Exactly!
dranokills- August 22, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Fatty McDickbutts Says:

Mon, 08/22/11 - 01:31

@Drano – NICK. DIAZ. ONE DIMENSIONAL???

Seriously… where the fuck do these people come from?

You’ve lost all credibility. Congratulations.
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he is a 1 dimensional arm-swinging fucktard, it's all he really has, just cause he can submit a can or roll around on a mat during training doesn't make him a threat in the octogon, and if you believe otherwise you are as delusional as he is.




intercept440 Says:
this is going to look like gsp vs penn, except worse….

GSP ftw in spectacular fashion… you heard it here first bitches
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I agree.
But No dude nobody "heard it here first" from you.....in case you can't read, I already said that before you.
Todd M- August 22, 2011 at 8:17 pm
WAR Diaz, That is all
PERPATRAITOR- August 22, 2011 at 5:59 pm
@intercept I did not know that. Good catch.
Do you guys remember how tired and off target GSP was in the shields fights. Shields would have won a 7 rnd fight. Shields went out and partied, GSP went to the hospital that night. He doesn't bang with people because he can't. Rnd 4 too Diaz FTW!
DangadaDang- August 22, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Though there is no denying GSP's dominance and ability to win, I can't say that I would want to watch any of his past few fights again because he is CLEARLY avoiding risks. I hate to use this as an example, but he's like Rocky in Rocky 3 before he fought Clubber Lang the first time, he's kinda gone Hollywood (read: soft) to a degree. And who better personifies a mean mugging, incoherent, thug like Clubber Lang better than Diaz? Therefore, based solely on these glaring similarities, I predict Diaz will KO GSP in the first match, then lose the rematch while "Eye of the Tiger" is playing in the stadium.
TIME_TRAVELER_FROM_THE_FUTURE- August 22, 2011 at 5:45 pm
GSP is good.

He wins while taking very little damage.

He's similar to Diaz in that he wears down opponents.

It's just that Diaz only wears them down with pawing jabs, whereas GSP wears his opponents down everywhere which adds mental frustration.

A lot of people accused him of being a "nice guy" when he had Hardy in so many bad spots but didn't finish him. As though he could have but he chose not to because he didn't want to permanently injure Hardy.

Who knows if that's true or not, point is he had Hardy in bad enough spots that people thought that; which show's he was dominant.
Lex Talionis- August 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Agreed, Winning is winning especially when its against the level of competition he has been facing. Pitching a perfect game is damn near impossible, watching someone pitch a perfect game (or baseball in general) would be like watching grass grow. Doesn't make it any less impressive just because its not fun to watch.
2DaDeath- August 22, 2011 at 3:17 pm
I think whoever wrote this article is just trolling for comments. GSP is the man. There's nothing wrong with the way he fights. Winning is winning.
entropee- August 22, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I gotta agree with Get Off Me. GSP is winning. He knows what the rules are and he just wins. Everyone says they are going to take him out of his comfort zone (even though he seems pretty comfortable to me) but nobody can accomplish this. GSP didn't break Hardy's arm from any lack of trying, you can see immediately after this fight he was trying to figure out what he did wrong. Georges is still learning like everyone else. He's freakishly athletic and he wants to win. Like Get Off Me said if the rules were changed and there were a clock for that dictated how long a fighter could stay in full guard I guarantee GSP would still be winning. He's just that good. I like Diaz, and I think it would be great if he won, but what's left of my drug addled brain tells me that GSP has more ability than Diaz.
intercept440- August 22, 2011 at 2:03 pm
i dont know how you translate gsp 76" reach and Diaz's 74 inch reach as an advantage to Diaz......
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puff puff pass perp.. puff puff pass bro..
PERPATRAITOR- August 22, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Diaz TKO(or doctor stoppage)rnd 4. GSP isnt winning the cardio contest on this one. Diaz has reach advantage. Your going to see Nick use his feeler jab to hurt GSP and get his shots in. I don't see GSP taking him down a lot. I see Nick pulling guard. Expect a VERY GREASY GSP. GSP doesn't have the power to stop Nick. I do see GSP winning the first 2.5 rounds. When it hits the constant pace Nick loves, you'll see the beloved champion fall short. Not because of heart, but because of his paper thin skin or glass chin. GSP doesn't recover from being rocked. I'll personally be at this fight.I need a free cagepotato shirt! I need a drink! I need a joint with Nick after his victory! WAR CESAR GRACIE! WAR DIAZ!
intercept440- August 22, 2011 at 1:50 pm
seriously Diaz would get wrecked by half the current ufc WW division fucking WRECKED i say, he looked ok in SF , but his Opponents where subpar to say the least fitch would fuck him up (maybe that fight is one even fitch could end before the judges)
archdouche Koscheck would fucking kill him, condit would punch the shit out of him, ebesole would skull fuck him... all thats going to happen here is after gsp pummeles the living dog shit out of him, he will do what his brother does, he will drop a wieght class .
SocraticMethod- August 22, 2011 at 1:47 pm
GSP said he tried to break Hardy's arm, but couldn't, he didn't not break Hardy's arm because he's a "nice guy."

GSP is great, clearly. The way he dominates top guys is obviously impressive. The way he dictates the fights and makes them fight however he chooses is masterful. But that doesn't mean its viewer friendly. A lot of people find him boring, and I'm one of them. I understand why others would enjoy watching him dominate for the sheer technical mastery of it, but I just don't.

I hope Diaz boxes him up and submits him ... but I don't see it happening.
Big_Shell- August 22, 2011 at 1:46 pm
The girls in that picture each blew him and (shockingly) he didn't finish. When asked about the girls later he stated only,"Ah waz disappointed wit dare parformanz."
intercept440- August 22, 2011 at 1:43 pm
look fellow cper's diaz isnt as good as he and cesar and the rest of you fucks think he is. Karma you actually think diaz has even a small chance at beating gsp??? does any one of you think its even remotely possibly Nick diaz beats gsp??????? really. i mean for reals????.
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this is going to look like gsp vs penn, except worse....

GSP ftw in spectacular fashion... you heard it here first bitches
manutdfan- August 22, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Onan Says:

Mon, 08/22/11 - 12:54

Other than the first BJ Penn fight, all of St. Pierre’s decisions have been unanimous.

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Unanimous doesn't mean that you kicked someones ass. It means all 3 judges agreed.

a squeaking by 29-28 x 3 and an asswhupping 50-43 x 3 are both unanimous, but not nearly the same thing.
rampage01- August 22, 2011 at 1:33 pm
cesar is as dumb as you can be, no arguments, just stupid affirmations.
Fatty McDickbutts- August 22, 2011 at 1:31 pm
@Drano - NICK. DIAZ. ONE DIMENSIONAL???

Seriously... where the fuck do these people come from?

You've lost all credibility. Congratulations.
Fatty McDickbutts- August 22, 2011 at 1:23 pm
I like 'em both for different reasons. It'd be nice to see GSP continue building his legacy as one of the best mixed martial artists ever, but you wouldn't see me cryin' if Diaz threw a bomb and put him on the mat.

GSP should've just broken Hardy's fuckin' arm (or Hardy should've tapped like everyone else would have) don't think this would be nearly the same discussion if he had done that: shame he's such a nice guy.
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