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‘UFC 143: Diaz vs Condit’ Aftermath Part I–Two Steps Forward, One Step Back

“Come on, Nick. Tell us how you *really* feel.” (Video: ZombieProphet)

Though he fought in a cage only ten yards wide, Nick Diaz must have felt like he was fighting on a football field last night. For five rounds he stalked Carlos Condit but was unable able to pin him in any of the Octagon’s eight corners. In true Stockton fashion, he never stopped pressing forward and was always the aggressor, but did he exhibit ‘Octagon Control’? As we generally define the term, yes. As it’s actually defined, no. Diaz didn’t want to keep circling and chasing Condit; he wanted to trap him against the cage and unload merciless combinations–basically, to fight him in a phone booth. The reason he didn’t was because Condit executed his game plan perfectly and dictated the flow of the fight. Even if that wasn’t the case and Diaz was in full control of the bout, let’s not start pretending that we love nothing more than a fight full of ‘Octagon Control’. As fans we value effective striking and grappling above position and pace. So too should the judges.

Some of you will undoubtedly feel that you can’t win a fight moving backwards. You may be right, but there are a host of other things that you can do in retreat. You can set a record for leg kicks landed in a UFC fight (not that those count, right?). You can out-strike your opponent in both total strikes and significant strikes by a 30% margin. You can land more power shots to the head.

There’s a good reason last night’s main event is so controversial—it was a damn close fight. Despite what I’ve written, I’m not actually here to convince you that Condit deserves the interim belt or his shiny new hog. If you think that Diaz won the fight, I won’t tell you that you’re wrong (again, stats never tell the whole tale, and it was a really close fight). That being said, let’s not confuse “The Natural Born Killer” with Kaleb Starnes. Condit picked his shots wisely and got the hell out of dodge. It wasn’t the balls-to-the-wall throwdown I’d hoped for, but it was an entertaining fight.

For the time being at least, Diaz says he’s had enough. He may be as tough and as talented as they come, but he’s only happy fighting his kind of fight. His bouts would be vastly more entertaining if everyone limited their offense and defense to match his strengths, but I don’t see that happening in the upper-tiers of the division. His distaste for wrestling, specifically lay and pray, is understandable, but to respond to a flashy Condit elbow with, “We’re throwing spinning shit now?” makes me think that he’ll never adjust his game to deal with those who won’t play it. If he sticks around, we can expect plenty more wars and plenty more victories, but his record will be spotted with losses he refuses to accept.

Diaz is one of the most entertaining fighters out there and I pray he doesn’t call it quits, but he’s clearly had his fill of this sport. In no uncertain words, the Stockton native expressed his disillusion with MMA’s scoring system and proclaimed that he doesn’t “need this shit.”

Straight forward, to the point, and no punches pulled. That’s Nick Diaz.


- Chris Colemon


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randec- February 8, 2012 at 7:01 am
The Natural Born Coward not only lost this fight he was made a fool of. Nick Diaz was walking right up to him with his hands down. They're not even in the same league. Condit looked scared. Ask yourself, if they'd said fight until you finish who would have won? Condit just barely survived 5 rounds and probably breathed a huge sigh of relief. I hope more people don't follow his example, the sport will be much worse for it.
Nippletwist- February 7, 2012 at 10:36 pm
okay so i just watched diaz condit for the fourth time. before i had diaz winning 1,2, and 5, but i actually noticed some things in the third round i didn't see before and diaz actually took the third too. he actually hurt condit a couple times in that round. one of the worst mma decisions i've ever seen. diaz really dominated that fight.
Crazy Croat- February 7, 2012 at 10:05 am
I took the time and uploaded the breakdown of the round 1 on youtube. it is obvious that diaz lovers are wrong. there is no way in hell that he won the round - draw AT BEST ! AT BEST I SAY ! i did an in depth analasys by splitting the round on 2 parts. what diaz did and what carlos did. take a look and say that diaz did enough to win the friggin way
dranokills- February 6, 2012 at 11:50 am

Mon, 02/06/12 - 08:29

@Dr. Anok Ills - see there you go again. I new Soaker arrives, and you want to immediately start fucking with someone new. You did the same to me, since day one. YOU are the bully around here, but I bet your a pussy in person. That's why I enjoy kicking your ass online every day.

shut the fuck up xeno. I don't recall unzipping my pants, I don't want any lip from you.
I have already told you, you couldn't beat your own meat much less me. Nobody's is listening to your stupid talk, go crawl up soakers ass and die.
dheinig- February 6, 2012 at 9:24 am
this post says it all. Condit has violently dominated enough fights for us to know he's the shit. So has Diaz. The difference is, when it comes to actually putting together a strategy to beat another fighter, Condit's camp developed the perfect gameplan and he executed flawlessly. Diaz, on the other hand, expected Condit to just stand there with his back to the fecce and get punched...and when that didn't happen Diaz literally threw a temper tantrum. If he wants to street fight, then he should go do that. If he wants to fight in a ring, with rules and strategies and (sometimes) less than epic fights...then he's got to get an attitude adjustment.
XENOPHON- February 6, 2012 at 8:29 am
@Dr. Anok Ills - see there you go again. I new Soaker arrives, and you want to immediately start fucking with someone new. You did the same to me, since day one. YOU are the bully around here, but I bet your a pussy in person. That's why I enjoy kicking your ass online every day.
XENOPHON- February 6, 2012 at 8:13 am
Joedirt Says: I know, nor was it my favorite fight to watch either. I kept waiting for some action, and it never happened. The brief exchanges where a disappoint - I blame Condit, not for winning, but for fucking up what could have been a better fight. To make it worse my chick was with me, and that asshole almost always takes the fighter opposite it was a clown session on me, especially after Condit got his hand raised.
MMAposeur- February 6, 2012 at 7:40 am
@Alfarojv - 1. if Diaz had octagon control, why couldn't he execute the fight he wanted? 2. does not equal fighting effectively. he was the aggressor and he got his face cut up for it 3. once. holy shit he's a master, nevermind the other failed attempts, huh? 4. so you mean he didn't? oh yeah, that's right, you don't get rewarded for what you fail at. HAH, this is so much fun. Lotta ppl musta thrown down on Diaz. That's what you get for betting on a bum, suckas!
fatbellyfrank- February 5, 2012 at 10:42 pm
^ Your kidding mate, respect Cerrone for fighting a dumb ass fight plan and blowing an opportunity? Diaz also blew an opportunity last night, but judging by his actions, did he really want to take his opportunity with both hands? Condit wanted the opportunity to become undisputed WW champ, and he , with his camp executed a game plan that now puts him in a position to have a crack at the undisputed belt when GSP returns.
Diaz on the other hand, came with his usual fight plan, which has served pretty well I gotta say, but when his fight plan didnt work, he did nothing, he didnt switch to raslin, try some takedowns, just kept stalking, talking shit, getting kicked, getting scored on by Condit fairly easily, however he wasn't accumulating points of his own,so, when it went to the judges, the scorecards said he lost. End of story, Condit has W, and opportunity to fight for the undiputed world title, Diaz has L next his name , has apparently retired and lost an opportunity.
At the end of the day MMA is not caged street fighting, as some commentors seem to advocate, but a contest of athletic endeavour between two well trained athletes who utilise all their skill sets, mental and physical.
oc in this bitch- February 5, 2012 at 10:00 pm
u guys are just haters plain and simple.if he did lose id be like yeah he got whooped but its a joke.the only thing that kept condit from running away was the cage.carlos lost tons of respect i thought he was tough guy that wanted to was i wrong couldnt be more wrong.i respect cerrone for standing there and takin an ass kickin other then lookin like a coward and running.dont hate cuz hes great.u dont have to be liked to be a good fighter most arent and chances are the greats would kick ur ass in a split second on the street thats why theyre fighters.get over it condits a bitch and i cant wait for st pierre to destoy him and then diaz gets his chance again which he more then has deserved.
dranokills- February 5, 2012 at 9:22 pm
At first I thought:" this soaker guy he is just a stupid person who cannot type", then it dawned on me, no that's not it......oh wait I see his is awfully hard to speak when you have Nick Diaz's balls rolling around in your mouth. I totally get him now.
OK rant on foolish Diaz fans, I enjoy each bitter pill you morons have to swallow.
Alfarojv- February 5, 2012 at 9:20 pm
I saw Nick 1.taking cage control 2.being the aggressor 3.getting a takedown 4.submission attempt(and close to getting it)...I saw Carlos punching turning his back to Nick and literally run the other way and Carlos wins??? wtf. by the way I was a Carlos fan before Nick until the what I longer a Carlos fan,I have no respect for the guy(im sure he lost a lot of fans)....Nick ive been a fan, always will and have even more respect for you..
soaker- February 5, 2012 at 8:53 pm
When someone runs away from me in a fight I figure he really don't want it I let it be. When someone bitch slaps me I'm fuk him up or die trying.Good thing I didn't spend any money to watch Carlos make a expensive live tutorial on how to avoid a fight. Carlos should of said I'm when the belt by not trying instead die trying.If he didn't want to fight Nick what the fuk he's going to do with George jump out of the ring run around the other side of the cage hit gsp when gsp is laughing at him win by decision.What a smart tactician.Go play chess he scared homie!
Todd M- February 5, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I'm a big Nick Diaz fan but I gotta say I agree with this article, well said Coleman. When I watched the fight the first time I thought Nick took it, when I rewatched it I wasn't so sure who won but after letting it sink in all I really remember was Nick stalking Carlos, but Carlos outstriking Nick. Nick should use this fight to reevaluate his style and he will be the better fighter for it. Congrats to Carlos he executed a great game plan and while he may have avoided brawling, to suggest he ran like Kaleb is just ludicrous. I hope Nick doesn't retire, he is still in his prime and constantly improving, again he should use this loss to reevaluate his game and as inspiration to get back to the top.
k-onda- February 5, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Problems, with these rules there are problems, I don't blame Nick. If you wanna win belts, you gotta play the points game, and that seems a little "funny" to me.
Spitting into the wind- February 5, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Who would have thought so many Mongoloid windowlickers posted on cagepotato! How in the fuck could you think Diaz won?
Walking forward while being unable to enforce your game plan vs completely controlling what happened in the conflict deserves to win you the fight?
Ye guys are fucking clueless. The fight was rightly scored 49-46 by two judges.Condit tho moving backwards connected with way more shots. Ye obviously believe fights can only be won by moving forward. Fucking moronic.
By the way, walking forward does not constitute octagon fucking control.
The real poor decision of the night was Koscheck getting the decision over Pearce.
Diaz proved himself to be a classless piece of shit as always. His fans seem to have taken on the same characteristics.
dranokills- February 5, 2012 at 2:52 pm
who gives a fuck what his peers think? for that matter the opinion of another fighter who has ties to Diaz as a friend or a training partner has zero credentials. Its like saying you should listen to movie stars about politics, cause they can pretend to act like a politician, ha.
Listen the opinions of any of the UFC superstars means dick, they don't make the rules, they don't judge, they just fight. Just last night you assholes were all over karma calling him buncha two faced asses Now you want to support the opinion of a fighter? Diaz's peers are as emotional as Karma was last night, and he was wrong, so are these other fighters.
Regardless of idiots who call Condit a runner, and the nuthuggers who still believe Diaz won. The proof is in the points, and the history.....its history now, diaz lost, you can be as stupid as Nick and disbelieve it, but it is still there a great big "L"...for LOSER!
intercept440- February 5, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@all the dumbfucks here.
carlos condit got the W. your shitty arguments are invalid...........................................................Captcha = orgy curva
Knurft- February 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm
The fight was very disappointing, Condit hyping with the elbows/shin to-the-face, can he take my type of damage bladieblabla talk and then he backsup and throws legkicks, of which only a handfull were good ones. Then i woke up during round 5 and something actually happened there, Condit unloaded combo's OMG. Gratz Condit with the title, it turned u GSP 2.0 alrdy.
Dear Nick Diaz, freaking try to choke the mofo if he won't stand still, dumbass. If a tactic won't work in round 1 and 2, it's likely in 3,4 and 5 it won't get u there either.
theworldsoldestsport- February 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm
add COndit to the list of guys like cRumble and GSP who say they'll fight one kind of fight and finish and blah blah and will actually fight a points fight to win a decision.
NaturalBornRunner- February 5, 2012 at 1:59 pm
by what his peers think
NaturalBornRunner- February 5, 2012 at 1:53 pm
it seems like there is quite a few fighters upset with the decision aswell there´s a thread over on a crappy forum somewhere with tons of fighters giving the fight to diaz i dont think kalib will like that he wont give a shit what the fans think but might be swayed
MMAposeur- February 5, 2012 at 1:35 pm
@Joedirt - "...skills, techniques and game plans that make it a valid sport." Word. However, unlike you, I quite enjoyed the fight, nothing pleased me more than to see Diaz' frustration and desperation and ultimately his childish, pathetic sniveling and excuse making.
NaturalBornRunner- February 5, 2012 at 1:35 pm
@everybody RONDA ROUSEY's word is LAW and miguel torres is surprisingly funny
Dana_Plight- February 5, 2012 at 1:27 pm
THANK YOU @leohandicaprio. Diaz was, as Sopapo spells it, a "looser"