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UFC 85: Monday Morning Post-Mortem

(“Boom! Another hit is landed…” The Pitbull mauls old-ass Matt Hughes. Photo courtesy of

Now that the adrenaline has subsided, we can have a normal conversation. Here’s what I’ve been thinking about since Saturday afternoon…

— Matt Hughes carved out a legendary career without ever being a particularly dangerous striker. And good for him, but the young fighters coming up these days will not stand for that shit. There’s no way you can compete at an elite level anymore without a complete game. Hughes never had one, and it’s now been fully exposed. After Alves stuffed Hughes’s takedown attempts during their fight, the former champ had no more weapons left, and it was only a countdown until the inevitable. I’m interested in seeing Hughes settle his grudge match with Matt Serra; I’m not really interested in seeing Hughes continue to be tooled by other athletic and well-rounded members of the UFC’s welterweight division.

Michael Bisping looked deadly once again. Obviously he’d be wrecked by Silva, Franklin, or Henderson (or Marquardt on a good day), but he’d have to be the favorite against any other middleweight in the UFC. I’d guess he’s two wins away from a title shot, and luckily for him, Anderson Silva might not be around by the time he gets there. (The chatter is that Silva may move up to light-heavyweight for a marquee fight, but it’s totally unsubstantiated at this point, so don’t get your hopes up.)

— I don’t care what Jason Lambert needs to do to get down to 185 — stomach stapling, breast reduction surgery, whatever — he just needs to get there. He also needs to understand that his boxing sucks; just like in his fight with Wilson Gouveia, Lambert’s wild and sloppy haymakers led to his own damn self getting knocked out against Luis Cane. I think the biggest lesson I learned from “Bedlam” was that if there’s a noticeably out-of-shape guy fighting a guy in great physical condition, don’t bet on the fatty. (See also: Eddie Sanchez.)

— Man I hate Mike Swick. And it’s not just because his win contributed to me losing a bet — it’s because he’s officially turned into a boring fighter. “Quick” has become “Long and Drawn Out.” Marcus Davis was dominated on the ground, but was never in any real danger of being stopped (something that Swick hasn’t been able to accomplish in over two years). To me, Swick’s lay-n-pray victory was no more impressive than his tedious decision win over Josh Burkman. Before long, he’ll be paired up against a more aggressive fighter with better wrestling, and he’ll be steamrolled.

— I’m not saying that Dan Miragliotta should be banned from MMA reffing forever, but maybe a three-month time-out would be in order. The man who caused an uproar for his standing-TKO call during the Slice/Thompson fight at EliteXC: Primetime made another unfortunately early stoppage Saturday in the match between Brandon Vera and Fabricio Werdum. Vera wasn’t hurt, and he wasn’t turtling; he realized he wasn’t going to get out of Werdum’s mount, and he was simply riding out the round’s last 20 seconds. He was also (at least according to Vera) screaming “I’m okay I’m okay I’m okay!” I feel bad for Brandon Vera; two unlucky breaks in consecutive fights (the first being his broken hand in the Tim Sylvia match), and he’s out of title contention for a while. I’d say he should drop down to light-heavyweight, but he wouldn’t have a better shot in the chummed-up shark tank that is the UFC’s 205-pound class. So he’s basically screwed now. Thanks, Dan.

— The ipecac has been ordered and will presumably arrive this week. Stay tuned.


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yuntian- November 13, 2011 at 8:04 pm
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Who Cares- June 11, 2008 at 1:57 am
I know i am a few days or even a week late with this comment but i haven't been around.

Everyone in the room was pissed when the ref stopped the werdum - vera fight, But after i watched the replay i noticed something, vera was covering his face with his forearms with his eyes closed and was on his side in the fetal position when it got stopped, he was mounted for more then 20 secs before the stoppage and if you think that ref should have stopped the kimbo/thompson fight in the 2nd round WHICH I REALLY THINK HE SHOULD HAVE. How do you not see this should have been stopped. I picked Vera to win the fight. I wanted him to win the fight. But you can't "fetal up" close your eyes and take punches for very long and not get the fight stopped. maybe he should have tried to grab werdum's wrists or bridged one time. He did neither. I know the round was almot over and i would have much rather seen the fight go to a 2nd round but you can't blame the ref to much for Vera not doing anything to improve his position or stop the punches he just laid there with his eyes closed and assumed he would make it to the 2nd round. I hope he learned from that loss and next time BRIDGE, GRAB HIS WRISTS, or in that case witht he clock running out GIVE YOUR BACK. I know giving up your back is bad but with 20 secs left i bet Vera could defend a rear naked for that long at least

ps again the only reason why i say giving his back up in that case was good is because it takes longer then 20 secs to get choked out if you defend it properly
teachbug- June 9, 2008 at 1:54 am
“Boom! Another hit is landed…” The Pitbull mauls old-ass Matt Hughes. -----I love it !
That's just perfect.
Matt Hughes---washed up, bye bye
Bisping---been feed cupcakes, time to step up and get that ass whipped just like rashad evans did.
Jason (manboobs) Lambert----thats what happens when you get off the roids your muscles atrophy. ha! or maybe he needs to try out for tough-man contests.
mike swick -----I think swick is a beast for a skinny, beanpole fighter, he has mad skills, and no fear. he took the fight to davis (whom I still like in any fight).
Dan Miragliotta----piece of shit, simple as that.

and dude I feel very sorry for you having to drink that ipecac. It is not only going to make you puke its gonna keep you sick for a good long while. I really suggest you read the label when you get it, and do NOT pull a family guy and down the whole thing, you could end up hospitalized.
I have had that shit, and it had me sick all day long I could not eat a thing, I fucking dehydrated from heaving so much. I think this bet is stupid, and I think you are stupid for doing this for an internet bet, and I personally do not want to see you or the other guy vomiting.
I ain't saying you should go back on a bet, but find another way to pay for your lose, give the guy some money or something, but this is dumb, and its gonna be painful, from your guts to your head, nausea and headaches, and cramps, ugh. (shakes head in discomfort and disbelief)
LIl'Doomsday- June 8, 2008 at 10:27 pm
So the rumor is that it will be Anderson vs. Chuck in my hometown in September. That would be pretty neat. :)
BCar- June 8, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Matt Hughes is 34
Anderson Silva is 33..... so in 1 years time Silva is going to be getting dominated at 185?
Jimbo- June 8, 2008 at 7:50 pm
To say that Hughes is not an elite fighter is insane. The fact of the matter is, Hughes is getting old and the dominant techniques that always worked for him, his takedowns, are now slower and more telegraphed then they used to be. Just because he is not an elite striker doesn't mean he is not well rounded, as everyone has their strengths and weakness. Hughes is simply a case of a fighter who has gotten too old and the speed and reaction time are not there anymore, at least like they used to be. Can he beat up and comers, sure. But the elite of the division will be too fast and explosive, as he used to be against others. It is for the same reason Roy Jones Jr. became human overnight. Once his speed and reactions were slowed, he became very beatable. Give Hughes the respect he has earned over a career that has shown him come back from adversity and dominate some of the best in the world.
sol- June 8, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Hughes completely misjudging the incoming attack and going down to early, where have i seen that before?

Alves saying that he'd been a good boy? Fuck off.

Yes Bisping looked good but he would struggle against the top 3 in that weight class.

I still dont think Swick should have dropped to 170.

Dan Mirigliotta needs to die in a fire, his early stoppage set the mood for the whole night and the fans seemed sour throughout the rest of the show.

Wiman kicked some serious ass.
tully- June 8, 2008 at 5:03 pm
ah, i see CP does not share my enthusiasm for Bisping. i dunno guys we havent seen him a whole lot at middleweight maybe he is still adjusting maybe he will erupt into something really great. give him time. stop rushing him.

no but seriously i think i am being a tad hippocritical for liking bisping so much cuase he hasnt really beaten anybody too serious, and i am urijah fabers #1 hater for that same reason so eh. just nevermind on the whole bisping thing is what i am getting at in a very long-winded manner.
TheFeniX- June 8, 2008 at 4:18 pm
How is it that no one has yet made the joke that Matt Hughes should have dropped to a knee so Alves couldn't kick/knee him.

I am so disappointed right now...
gpop- June 8, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Well I guess your punishment is the Ipecac
gpop- June 8, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Here's a swick fan! He had a boring fight against Burkman, I'm not arguing that. Now he tried to fight with Okami, he was throwing flurries as much as he could and hurt okami more than anyone has in the UFC. He was taken down against Okami and tried to survive a solid mount which he did, showed heart and tried to give the best fight possible.

Go watch the marcus fight again. He threw high kicks, knees and effectively used his reach advantage. MARCUS went to clinch with him and take him down and swick ended up on top. He tried to pass into mount and side mount but Marcus did a good job of getting him back into his guard. Swick had a good fight and dominted a guy who had an 6 fight win streak in the UFC with 4 of those fights being stopped in the 1st round. Marcus is a beast who benches over 400 lbs and has heavy hands. You're giving Swick a new nickname and judging him off of two fights at 170 against good opponents- real smart

Look at the damage each guy did to each other. Swick caught Marcus with more shots and marcus tried to take swick down. Swick intelligently played the ground game and tried to get into mount to end the fight. Look at Davis' face before you say swick did nothing
Sam- June 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm
What is going on with lamberts bitch tits?
jesus- June 8, 2008 at 3:23 pm
vera is a cocky cunt, he was clearly outclassed by werdum, sure it was bad stoppage, but he needs to suckle dana's nipple before he can get back in the cage
BIG CHRIS- June 8, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I thought Swick looked impressive, he looked untouched while Marcus Davis looked beat down, I mean going into that fight I thought Marcus Davis was gonna kill him, especially being the guy who is benching 400+....but Swick went in there and took it to him, to me it was an impressive win.....

Oh and one other thing....Vera Sucks!!
Gleb Jolie- June 8, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Ban Miragliotta
TheFeniX- June 8, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I'm not big on talking shit without evidence, but when my buddy Chris shot me a look after the Vera stoppage, I said "Hey, he's got to show that he wasn't biased for EliteXC, so he'll make some bad calls in other promotions."

I meant it as a joke. But after hearing myself say it out loud, I wasn't so sure.
PotatoHead- June 8, 2008 at 2:13 pm
You're right on, as always, Goldstein. Period... no, make that 3 exclamations marks!!!
lolwut- June 8, 2008 at 2:08 pm
next time let us do the picking for you. i woulda at least contributed to one correct win on there lol
Kimbo's Lice- June 8, 2008 at 1:46 pm
My thoughts exactly. Also: Publicly begging for a title shot isn't the best move after coming into a main event fight four pounds overweight, and Roan Carneiro (a BJJ black belt w/18 pro fights) should have to commit seppuku after being submitted by Kevin Burns (a BJJ blue belt w/6 pro fights).
charles- June 8, 2008 at 1:45 pm
good luck with the ipecac bg...