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The UFC Is Not F*cking Around With Their Strikeforce Counter-Programming

(I hope you’re working hard, James, because Kimbo is working double-hard.)

It’s not enough for the UFC to simply hold an event the same day their rivals are holding one. No, gentle readers, what Dana White may have in mind is far more savage. In an update on the Strikeforce: Nashville counter-programming situation, Sherdog passes along the following amazing detail:

The venue for the proposed UFC event has not been settled upon, though speculation centers on Vanderbilt University’s Memorial Gymnasium in Nashville.

Tennessee Athletic Commission Executive Director Jeff Mullen says that the UFC has not yet applied for a permit, but if this actually happens, holy shit. This is basically something Keyser Soze would do if he was running an MMA promotion. Again, overall TV ratings would still lean in favor of Strikeforce, but the UFC could steal a lot of the local heat in Nashville depending on who’s on the card. Although the proposed Mike Swick vs. Matt Serra match isn’t happening due to Swick’s impending arm-surgery, Carmichael Dave drops the rumor that James Toney vs. Kimbo Slice is being prepared as the main event for the UFC’s April 17th show.

Kind of short-notice for Lights Out, but it’s not like he was planning on getting his blue belt in BJJ before stepping into the Octagon. He’s working with a fucking boxing coach to prepare for his MMA debut, okay? He doesn’t plan on anybody laying on top of him like a lil’ fag, you feel me? All of this is still unconfirmed, but we hope it goes down, just so we can hear Dana White explain why Dan Henderson vs. Jake Shields is a freak show, while Kimbo vs. Dark Gable is legitimate MMA…

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Joedirt- March 8, 2010 at 1:13 pm
robthom... actually the gloves were not introduced until UFC 14. UFC 14 and 15 combined is when groin shots, hair pulling, neck and back of head shots, kicking downed opponent etc were banned. UFC 14 was held in 1997 only 3 months before PRIDE started up. Even 5 minute rounds were not introduced until UFC 21. The night before UFC 12 McCain had it banned in most states and last minute it was relocated to Alabama.
With all of that said.... it wasn't the UFC that evolved MMA with those rules... it was the various state athletic commissions who banned the UFC and forced them to change the rules in order to hold events, it was those commissions who decided what was acceptable and what wasn't. The UFC had no choice but to fold or follow suit, which means ANY organization would have been subjected to the same decisions and would have been labelled as the pioneers. If it were not for the commissions the UFC would still be no holds barred.
Lorenzoe553- March 8, 2010 at 11:08 am
strikeforce isnt effecting the ufc yet. but theyve come along way the past year and id understand if the ufc does notice their growth and feel a slight bit of fear in that one day strikeforce could have a chance at upstaging them. personally i dont think they can/will. I've said before that strikeforce do create good fights, but the way they do it isn't smart. theyd have to step up their game more to compete with ufc. ufc's making sure they dont get that chance i guess.
J-Dog- March 8, 2010 at 7:33 am
OK, I'm going to take an unconventional stance here... I don't see the point in even counter-programming Strikeforce at all. Does Strikeforce hurt the UFC? No. Does Strikeforce take potential money out of the UFC's pockets? I don't think so. Why try to do battle? If the UFC puts an event on at the same time as Strikeforce, no one wins. The UFC gets less views, and so does Strikeforce. Why not just leave them be and hold your event on an empy MMA weekend? Then everyone wins. I just don't get it. It's not like shoes. If I buy a new pair of Nikes this weekend, then I'm not going to buy a pair of Reeboks next weekend, no matter how impressed I am with the naked Chuck video. I won't need shoes for a while. But if I'm an MMA fan, I will watch Strikeforce this weekend and still watch the UFC next weekend, as long as one is free.

The only thing I see going on here is posturing and muscle-flexing for the sake of showing off who is the biggest and best. It's pretty childish, really.
robthom- March 8, 2010 at 4:14 am
The Bjj commercial was only the second event, by the 5th event Royce was gone. As soon as Royce was gone the promotion of Bjj went with him and it was basically NHB 2 years before DSE decided to frame a similar event around Takada and Rickson.

Tank wore gloves @ UFC 13, 5 months before the first pride, they introduced the cage and they helped get the Unified rules passed making NHB into MMA and a regulated sport.

Maybe the word invent was too strong, of course there were influences before it. But Elvis doesn't sound like the Led Zepplin. I didn't mean to suggest to you that UFC invented the act of fighting. But if UFC is not the most responsible for MMA's current form (and success) than I'd like to know who you think is.
Joedirt- March 8, 2010 at 3:06 am
Lorenzoe I think the difference is that the other companies are just worrying about themselves and trying to run their business and the UFC is worrying about what everyone else is doing and trying to prevent them from getting any share. Instead of competing with product they try to stop them in their tracks.

robthom.. they didn't invent shit. The only thing the UFC did was advertise as one style vs another and they did that when the Gracies owned it. It was designed to basically be a bjj commercial. They put it on PPV, other than that they invented nothing. Pride started in 97 and the UFC didn't change hands until 2001, that's when gloves etc were introduced. Really how far back to you wanna go in history? Pankration? The UFC did not invent ANYTHING let alone MMA.
robthom- March 8, 2010 at 2:26 am
"...... what has the UFC done for MMA?"

Practically invent it.

Fat chance of 95% of MMA fans following Vale Tudo or Japanese "stiff" wrestling today if the UFC never existed.

And nope, pride wouldn't have done it because they copied the UFC. Complete with an original roster of at least 50% ex-UFC fighters.
Lorenzoe553- March 7, 2010 at 8:18 pm
thats a good point with the raising pay wages, i agree on that. but as for the free shows etc. it is a business and they do have to compete with one another. ufc knows/or they think that theyre upcoming event wont even beat strikeforce but it will have an effect which is what they want and what any company would want in a business im guessing. theyre working to help the sport not other companies. hey i dont like it either tho. now i have to pick which event to watch that night. by the way i think affliction was supposed to be a trilogy which is why the last one that never happened was named "trilogy". it was going to end afterwards. but again i agree about the pay raise they should give to their fighters.
Joedirt- March 7, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Lorenzoe you've somewhat made my point as well... in that the other organizations have not been able to do what the UFC has but mainly because the UFC does shit like put free shows on just to take customers away from any threat of competition. They sank Affliction and are now trying to sink Strikeforce. If they really wanted to help the sport of MMA they would immediately raise the average wage for the fighters. Shane Carwin, number 1 contender for the title has to train after working his full time job and was set for what? $15000 to show and double to win for a fight with Lesnar? Over 20 years ago with less gate money and less PPV money they paid Tyson alone $30 million. The UFC's entire payout for a show is usually $2 million.
Lorenzoe553- March 6, 2010 at 1:20 pm
henderson wasnt getting the title shot so he left because he wasnt getting his way. middle weight does have good fighters (not that anyone in general can really compete with anderson silva, maybe belfort) the problem is theyre all injured and youd be stupid to go into a fight with silva with an injury. its funny because henderson would probably have gotten the shot at silva had he stayed ironicaly because the # 2 marquart got beaten by sonnen and now neither can compete and the next best is maia which yes isnt great what with silvas striking and all. on the other hand to show how desperate strikeforce is theyre giving henderson the chance to fight for the title in middle weight, light heavy weight and possibly heavyweight. and judging by what they did with rogers even if he loses against shields he'll probably still fight mousasi, and whoever is champ at heavyweight by that time.
Cro mag- March 6, 2010 at 1:04 pm
I think White has made some piss poor decisions in the last year. The major one being cutting Dan Henderson loose and being so arrogant as to state that he wasn't "worth" keeping in the UFC. Look at the 185 lb. division now, what a joke, now Anderson Silva is taking on Maia for the biggest snoozefest of 2010.....great.
Lorenzoe553- March 6, 2010 at 11:34 am
so because of how a person acts your gonna forget/ignore what his organizations done and assume that someone else COULD'VE done it better. its done and personally i dont give a crap what dana does with his life he makes good decisions for the ufc and mma in general and thats what matters.
Chiggs- March 6, 2010 at 11:03 am
This, what Joedirt said. Couldnt have summed it up much better. Without a doubt if Dana didnt take over UFC, someone else would have or Pride or WEC or even Strikeforce would have upped the anty an made waves, all the while not exploiting fighters an fans alike imho. Also no way in hell Im NOT watching Strikeforce over UFC or WEC. 3 Title fights right up my alley!!!
Lorenzoe553- March 6, 2010 at 10:54 am
@ cro mag- danas always been kind of a child in that he cant help but swear and bad mouth others if he doesnt like 'em. id imagine he sees them as a threat because strikeforce was actually pretty succesfull last year and no ones really been of competition to the ufc and people are starting to think strikeforce can maybe do it. its more his actions that are making him look like he sees strikeforce as a threat. im not sure which fighter your refering too though. can you be specific?
Cro mag- March 6, 2010 at 10:26 am
@ Lorenzoe553

That's all fine and dandy but why should dana white feel so threatened by strikeforce as to play idiotic games like that. He want's the UFC to be a monopoly so bad that it's almost psychotic. If he lets a good fighter go because he is "too expensive" then that's his problem, put your money where your mouth is instead of bashing them. Badmouthing your competition simply makes you look like you're weak and lacking confidence.
I used to think dana white was the man but now he looks like a little bitch.
Lorenzoe553- March 6, 2010 at 9:26 am
yes they do bad mouth alot of fighters that leave. but the fighters get paid better each time they fight and do good. they were one of the first big organizations next to pride and im sure that someone else wouldve done what they did had they not come along, but they didnt, the ufc did. you can say that about any great moment in history like lets say the USA being the first to walk on the moon. eventually yes someone else wouldve done it. but we did it first and back when that happened we were noticed for it. sure you can take away something just by saying "thats nothing because eventually someone else wouldve done it anyways".
you speak for the ufc like you know them though when it comes to doing it for themselves and not mma, they couldnt possibly have done it for mma right? theyre rich as fuck already. why work to expand the ufc to places like australia or the middle east if theyre set for life as it is.they could always wait for strikeforce to do it i mean they have like 1 event every few months in the us. how long do you figure it will take them to get to australia?
15 years ago their might have been about 20% of mma fans compared to how many there are now mostly based around japan and a decent percentage of them here and if you were to say to any fan today the word "mma" a big percentage of them would probably think ufc right off the back. they got alot of peoples attention towards mma and had they waited for someone else to do it can you honestly say mma would be where its at right now. you might hate dana white but you should at least admit that yeah he helped mma alot to get to where it is today.
Joedirt- March 6, 2010 at 5:49 am
Lorenzoe553... what has the UFC done for MMA? Besides exploit it for their own profit, prevent other organizations from growing, keep the fighters pay equal to that of a decent cover band and bad mouth 50% of the fighters that attempt to leave the organization? The only thing they have done is ride the wave of popularity and even if they brought in some new fans and raised awareness they didn't do it for MMA, they did it for themselves... not too mention if they weren't around, one of the other organizations would have had a better chance to become more legitimate and chances are would have done those things as well. I hate Dana.
robthom- March 5, 2010 at 3:36 pm
I like the way she's got her little fists balled up there.

"Now I'm kickiiiiing! And then I'm going to punchy punchy punch at yooooo!"

I'm gonna shave the top of my head.
Kimbo gets all the poo.
jimbonics- March 5, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Toney via Silverback :14 round one.
Fried Taco- March 5, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I can't wait to watch these two homo-phobes stand and bang.
agentsmith- March 5, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Judging by that photo, I'm gonna pick Kimbo by submission due to choking. Without using his arms or legs. You know what I'm saying.
shitbag- March 5, 2010 at 1:26 pm

And this is the same asshole that called it Strikefarce?!?! Give me a fucking break, why the fuck would I watch fucking Kimbo "no skills" Slice against dipshit James "Fat, lazy and old" Toney in an MMA fight?

Instead of 3 title fights with REAL highly skilled MMA fighters?

Fuck you Dana, you little bitch.
ktfo- March 5, 2010 at 1:26 pm
PortlandMMA- March 5, 2010 at 1:11 pm
For those with DVR we salute you. If this type of thing keeps happening though I don't know how long I give Strikeforce's marriage with CBS, so I'll have to go back to having Showtime for a day and then canceling it, its a sweet pro-rated deal it costs like 75 cents.
T_Durden- March 5, 2010 at 1:08 pm
I am excited for a couple of those Strikeforce fights, but I can't help to think that the UFC will put more than a dent on their numbers if they in fact do this...

I dont see DW and his crew as 'evil' as some of you said, but man...definitely a dick-ish move that I can't help but kinda chuckle at, I like it. Competition between them all, only means that they have to raise their game and in one way or another the fan will benefit from better shows and more accessible programming.

The UFC will have to back that LightsOut-Ferg fight with a couple other serious fights though to retain a sliver of decency with the more die hard fans.
El Guapo- March 5, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Ahhh, I see Knuckles. Thanks for clearing that up. Was scared there for a minute. Wasn't trying to pony up 50 bucks to watch the Fergie Freak Show, starring Mumbles. Stream it illegally, yes. Pay 50 for it, no.