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UFC President Dana White Calls John Hackleman A Scumbag, In So Many Words

Chuck Liddell and John Hackleman

So remember that “war” that UFC president Dana White promised to wage if Chuck Liddell opted not to retire after losing to “Shogun” Rua at UFC 97?  Liddell has yet to officially call it quits, though he also hasn’t expressed any overwhelming desire to fight again, but this war increasingly seems like it’s between White and Liddell’s trainer, John Hackleman — not Liddell himself.  After Hackleman pointed out some of the obvious problems with White trying to make life decisions for another autonomous human being, White fired back in a talk with Sherdog:

“Obviously, John Hackleman didn’t pay his house off yet. John Hackleman needs some money, because anybody who claims they care about Chuck Liddell even a little bit would not be making these f–king statements. …He’s never been a decision-maker in Chuck’s career. I can tell you this: He didn’t make Chuck Liddell. Chuck Liddell made John Hackleman.  How many great, talented guys do you see coming out of John Hackleman’s place?  He’s no Greg Jackson. He’s no Mark DellaGrotte. He’s no American Top Team. He’s not one of the great camps. Chuck Liddell made him.”

For his part, Hackleman isn’t saying that Liddell needs to fight anymore or even that he should, but rather that it should be his choice.  Which is, you know, obviously true.  He called White a “bully” and pointed out that there was really no need to run his mouth in the press about his intentions to force Liddell into retirement out of a concern for his health.  Which is, again, true.  It’s one thing to do something out of concern for your friend, and it’s another thing to make damn sure everyone around you sees what you’re doing out of concern for your friend.

At this point, the argument is no longer really about whether Liddell should fight again.  It’s about whether he gets to decide that for himself.  Hackleman says yes.  Dana White says Hackleman’s an asshole who’s just trying to profit off his one and only successful student.  In case you hadn’t noticed by now, ad hominem attacks are basically White’s go-to move in situations like this.

Hackleman is right.  Liddell is the only guy who can decide whether he should hang it up.  Hopefully he decides that it’s the right move, but it’s got to come from him.  Retirement is like rehab: if the person doesn’t want to do it on their own, it’s probably not going to stick.

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sheep_slayer- September 13, 2010 at 7:00 am
Yeah Hackleman is great except that he fucks his female students and made up his credentials. Look up his record and there is NOTHING to prove his record. CHuck did make him and it's time for Chuck to move to training others and he can trump all of Hackeman's market of clients. Fuck John hackleman. It's about time someone at Dana White's level smacked hackleman down, since hackleman has been doing the same at his small town level to everyone he knows. His fucking ego outweighs his experience.
se7ensenses- May 8, 2009 at 11:15 pm
I'd like to thank Chuck for kicking Toto's, oops Tito's ass. Anyone who does that is A OK in my books. That goes for you too Machida!
?CM- May 8, 2009 at 6:09 pm
lol, that's true. can't stop loughing... too funny
williamshatner- May 8, 2009 at 6:06 pm
"ncydeyourmom" must be Dana White's screen name.
?CM- May 8, 2009 at 5:59 pm
HACKLEMAN rocks, he is the coolest coach on earth. I wish he was teaching in my gym with Team Quest, but still have a preatty good coaching team here.
ncydeyourmom- May 8, 2009 at 5:56 pm
FUCK HACKLEMAN. He is an egocentric fuck ass. i met him in a bar in arroyo grande california(10 miles from San luis obispo. home of chuck and hackleman) and he was a fuckng cock sucker who did nothing but talk shit to people. "do you know who i am. ect...." fuck that liddell fuckin nut monkey. Thats all the fuckin prick has. Besides CHUCK IS DONE. the iceman has been melted
Kazi- May 8, 2009 at 3:41 pm
@ Brit Boy

Trust Dana to do the right thing?

We are both talking about the same Dana right? Loud mouth, sleazy vegas promoter Dana? Trusting him to do the right thing would be like trusting Don King to be honest.

None if this junk is actually about Chuck's health.
Brit Boy- May 8, 2009 at 3:09 pm
This is all such a shame. We should be celebrating a great career, and the first man to truly self promote and push his career in to the main stream. Instead all we're discussing is this nonsence. Just a damn shame.

I do agree that it is no disgrace to loose to the opponents he has fought, but I think it's also sadly very true that he appears to be unable to fix his discovered weaknesses and to withstand the kind of punishment that he used to. Like any fighter he had weaknesses but his sheer ability; footwork, speed, counter-punching, etc. etc. etc. more than made up for it. But it appears the end is upon Chuck. Sure he could still beat 95% of the 205lbs in the UFC and perhaps even win a belt in lesser orgs, but is that really how we want to see a true legend bow out? Let alone the medical concerns of taking just too much punishment.

Always a Legend in my book. I trust Dana will do the right thing, and Chuck can enjoy a new career in MMA outside of the ring.
Bob Loblaw- May 8, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Chuck will never fight in the UFC again, not with this happening
Kazi- May 8, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I agree with Canadian Chronic, whether Hackleman's motives are good or bad, it doesn't really matter, his point was right. Chuck can make his own mind up.

If Dana White "cares" so much for Chuck, then let him out of his contract. DW doesn't want Chuck to be a free agent and have the ability to renegotiate his contract or leave. SO...he'll just declare that he's retiring Chuck, and leave him locked in his contract with one fight left.

What would people say if Hackleman went hands off and didn't train Chuck, or take any money if he decides not to retire?

DW is the worst thing in MMA. Look at the bullshit he pulls with Fedor.
hlebtastic- May 8, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I think the key point here is the line "It’s one thing to do something out of concern for your friend, and it’s another thing to make damn sure everyone around you sees what you’re doing out of concern for your friend." Totally true. If Dana was really so worried about Chuck and his health he would handle this behind closed doors like mature adults. All of this posturing isn't really directed at Chuck, but at Strikeforce. What Dana is saying is Chuck is done with the UFC. And if anybody else wants to touch him they better damn know that he is serious.
Canadian Chronic- May 8, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Dana White is the ultimate fuckin douchebag. Is Chuck in the retirement age (65)bracket? Is he a responsible adult? Then he can make his own decisions concerning his life. I thought Chuck lived in the land of the free? Can deceide what he wants to do with his life, Whatever Hacklemans motives are(sinister, selfish or not), all the man is doing is loudly proclaiming that Chuck can deceide for himself and nobody save for his mom maybe, can tell him otherwise.

Dana White is a fukken douchebag
williamshatner- May 8, 2009 at 12:11 pm
John Hackelman would push Dana White's shit in.
SLAP COCKS GAL- May 8, 2009 at 11:25 am
Why would you say something so insensitive?
CAPS LOCK HAL- May 8, 2009 at 11:22 am
SLAP COCKS GAL- May 8, 2009 at 11:20 am
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Let the Kongo line begin!!!!
HOW TASTES MY PEE PEE- May 8, 2009 at 11:05 am
Just watch, Tito Vs Chuck 2 on Affliction.
LoneWolf- May 8, 2009 at 10:51 am
Dana White is a freaking shithead.
Armfarmer- May 8, 2009 at 10:50 am
Chuck may have lost 4 of his last 5.. but look at who he's fighting. He lost to rampage (no shame there).. Jardine who gave page a run for his money, rashad (again no shame there), and Shogun (same), and he beat Wandy. Honestly I don't even think Lidell is that much worse of a fighter now than he was a couple years ago. It's not so much he's getting worse, it's the competition getting way better.

He actually has to fight guys with hands these days instead of a bunch of grapplers that can't take him down. Look at who he fought when he was "in his prime".. Randy x3 (wrestler), Babalu x2 (wrestler/bjj), Horn (bjj), Tito x2 (wrestler). Do you think any of those guys would beat him today? Probably not. Chuck can still take out a lot of guys in the ufc, it's just that the lhw division is so stacked right now it's hard to win against any of the top guys no matter who you are.
Anonymous- May 8, 2009 at 10:41 am
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The Diaz Brothers Are My Brothers- May 8, 2009 at 10:40 am
I only call my brothers "Bro"
The Diaz Brothers Are My Brothers- May 8, 2009 at 10:40 am
I only call my brothers Bro
CAPS LOCK HAL- May 8, 2009 at 10:36 am
Ample- May 8, 2009 at 10:35 am
I wouldnt disagree with Dana. That john hackelmen guy tried to implement people from American Top Team cuse he knew his technique was old and crusty. It didnt work though, cant teach and old dog new tricks
Jay- May 8, 2009 at 10:34 am
Dana's got a point. Would we even know Hackleman if it wasn't for Chuck. I think Dana's just calling him out.