"Smitty Says:
Mon, 09/21/2009 - 11:24

I thought everyone agreed with you UFC fan. When someone doesn't, you resort to the highest level of intelligence you're able to muster up...........name calling. Good one dog! Way to get your point across."

No not everyone agreed with me, but NO ONE agreed with you.
so allow me to reach the highest level needed for you: go play hide and go fuck yourself..... DOG. (heres my point) [the finger]

Boxing is not dead... nor is it dying.
People need to stop comparing MMA and boxing. A REAL boxing fan can watch a fight that looks boring to most (because somebody isn't getting destroyed) and enjoy the strategy and chess match... just as a REAL MMA fan can watch two grapplers trade advantage on the ground several times. There are some tough strikers in the MMA world... but I'm sorry... Silva included... wouldn't do much in the ring. (As many boxers would not do well in MMA)
They just are NOT at the same level striking. Take an Olympic wrestler... top in the world... where is he going for money? MMA... probably the UFC being the top dog in MMA. Now take an Olympic boxer... his choices are 1) Start to learn grappling in hopes of matching the largest UFC purse of 400 grand... or 2) stay with boxing and fight for millions. Easy choice.
People can talk pride all they want... until the money is there... the worlds best strikers won't be competing in MMA.
For info... Anderson Silva has 2 pro boxing matches, both against nobodies... he is 1-1.

I have a question for everyone. Now I am not sure about exact numbers here, but how is it that Mayweather's penalty which was awarded to Marquez for coming in over weight, $600,000(300,000 g's a pound), is probably around the same amount of money the UFC shelled out in total on this card? Again I dont know the numbers for the UFC payouts so I could be way off. I mean Mayweather made at the very least 10 million. Has any UFC fighter ever even made over ONE million in ONE fight? Since the Nevada State Athletic Commision doesnt include %'s of PPV revenues or additional payouts like sponsors, its hard to know what these guys are making in the UFC exactly. But I think its safe to say its nowhere near multi-millions. Boxing is dead?

I thought everyone agreed with you UFC fan. When someone doesn't, you resort to the highest level of intelligence you're able to muster up...........name calling. Good one dog! Way to get your point across.

you are nuts, go away troll. go back to loserboxing.com

This argument always kills me. Boxing is not dead or dying, the naysayers have been repeating that LITERALLY since the 1890's and it has not happened yet. And mma is getting bigger, but it will be a LONG time before it becomes truly mainstream, if we even want it to. I don't.

Thats funny, must have the wrong site. I wasn't looking for ringpotato.com
Thanks for keeping me up to date on a sport I dont like. Maybe I should go check out some boxing sites, I bet they keep there readers up to date on MMA as well as boxing.

I enjoy to watch both MMA and boxing. For me boxing will never die because there are some elements that MMA cant provide. First there is the history behind it. That point will change of course as time goes on. The second thing is that i just love to see flawless boxing skills. There are some good boxers in MMA but the sport demands so many things at the same time that they cant display perfect boxing during a fight. The last thing i really love about boxing is that those fighters are crazy about what their doing. Marquez was quoted that he was willing to die in that ring against Mayweather. Those are not just big words. People actually die in the ring, they leave it with double vision for the rest of their lives, they get Parkinson... It's funny how everybody in the media thinks MMA is so brutal. Actually i think proboxing is much worse for the health of the fighters. I'm not taking anything away from the MMA guys. I also love what they are doing but i havent seen Gatti vs. Ward in MMA yet.

to answer your smart ass questions:
I am 46

No I am reading all the replies and seeing that no one agrees with you, and that as a whole this forum doesn't agree with YOU.

I never said I hated boxing , I said (you goofy non-reading moron)that boxing today has nothing for me, and it cannot compete with boxing of old.

I also never said that boxing made MMA more exciting I said " You are aware that MMA has incorporated boxing into itself, and made it one of MANY disciplines that you must know to perform, thus MMA is much more exciting, and fun to watch." that means that it is more fun to watch because it is more than one discipline NOT because of boxing it is more fun, reading Is fundamental smitty, try it.

so sounds to me like you can't read, and you can't comprehend ....so how old are YOU smitty?

@ UFC Fan
Dude, how old are you? Are you trying to convince yourself that no one here agrees with me or, did you ask everyone here and they told you that you were right?
We get it, you hate boxing. There is no one like Ali, Sugar Ray, Hearns, and Hagler fighting so, you couldn't care less. Mayweather is the new Sugar Ray, Chad Dawson is the new Thomas Hearns, Chad Johnson is the new Hagler, and there will never be anyone like Ali, but we got "The Pac Man" as a bonus.
You gave boxing props for "making MMA more exciting", so your argument about how much the sport sucks now, (plus your dumb ass put it in writing so everyone on this site can see how silly you are) just sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.

smitty you are losing this debate, and you are taking your man-love for boxing to serious, face it your points are not valid, and you are just being a bitter bitch now, feel free to whine some more You can't see the obvious and think by trying to twist the truth around that you validate yourself, but you don't you only prove why boxing sucks, it still has clueless fans. NO ONE here agrees with you, so stop thinking you are showing us anything......but your own ass.
Your responses get more and more into the realm of fantasy that I no longer want to debate it with you, go watch boring boxing see if i give 2 fucks.

@ 831 Son
I will not shut the fuck up sir. You posted earlier that "the reason why Boxers make so much more money is because it has been mainstream since your grandparents were babies and the boxers' promoters hype the one or two events a year like its a god damn revolution." Promoters can "hype" the events all they want, but if no one buys the ppv's or tickets to go see the fights then, there's no money made. Boxing has tons of loyal fans that are paying to see these fights. Promoting only goes so far, ask the shaw boys. So whether it's your own opinion or Joe Blows, it is still fact-less, and incorrect. I don't expect you to shut the fuck up because, I enjoy a healthy debate about anything, but there are literally millions of boxing fans that enjoy watching no names fight because, they like the sport. Just like you could probably enjoy an MMA fight with a couple of no names.
@ UFC Fan
Just because you name drop 4 of the biggest names EVER in the history of boxing, that does not make you an "obvious" fan. And let me get this straight......Just because boxing doesn't have anyone that you "give a shit about", that proves that boxing is dying??? Hey everyone, UFC Fan says "boxing is a brain dead sport, and there is not 1 match up he wants to see"........looks like boxing is dying. For you to even say it's a brain dead sport, and then turn around and say " You are aware that MMA has incorporated boxing into itself, and made it one of MANY disciplines that you must know to perform, thus MMA is much more exciting, and fun to watch", shows who is really brain dead here.

Why do you guys care so much whether boxing is dying or not? As long as a competitive MMA market exists and I'm watching good cards 1-2 times a month, I don't care what happens in boxing.

Boxing money is not coming from the PPV, it's coming from advertising and investment, both of which the UFC basically does not have at this point. Bud Light Lime / Harley Davidson money is not big money, it's just bigger than Rich's Tire Barn.

UFC fighters aren't paid as well as boxers because of the UFC's greed, there just isn't even CLOSE to enough money flowing around the sport. That being said, I just saw the first tv ad for Nike Combat Gear - now that is finally getting MMA into the big leagues.

The UFC is currently eating most of the build up costs to promoting MMA. How many people even knew what it was a few years ago? How many more now? This is not thanks to Affliction or even Pride, but putting MMA on TV and into bars early and often.

The most fun I ever had watching boxing was the first Riddick Bowe/Andrew Golota fight at Madison Square Garden simply for the "Oh fuck - I can't believe that's happening" atmosphere. I only wish you could see that in better quality than Youtube, but even that can't compare to the most boring martial arts or mixed martial arts fight I've ever seen.

Joedirt- read my first post again. I didnt say the entire reason they make money is because it is and "older" sport. Like I said, BOXING IS MAINSTREAM, HAS OR HAD PLENTY NETWORK TV DEALS, AND HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOREVER. THATS WHY THERE IS SO MUCH MONEY IN IT! It's not hard to realize. Dont get me wrong though, I know Dana is a greedy bitch that doesnt help the cause of fighters making legit paychecks.

Smitty- Shut the fuck up. I am speaking my own, and not some other queers opinion. I aint a fucking retard that only goes along with whatever anyone else says. I form my own logical opinions.

"Smitty Says:
Sun, 09/20/2009 - 18:07

@ UFC Fan
You're not a boxing "fan", you're an MMA fan (check out your name on here) so, you're biased. You and 831 Son are just repeating other peoples opinions because, even your boy Dana White doesn't believe boxing is dead, and is still a fan. Look, I'm the biggest MMA fan, but I was watching boxing many years before UFC 1 or, any televised combat sports came around. If you know what you're watching, it's still exciting to watch."

You can't read and comprehend well, I WAS a boxing fan, and that would be obvious from the names I was dropping, but you FAILed to notice that. I am NOW ( since UFC 1 actually) an MMA fan because as I already said ( see goes back to YOU not paying attention) boxing has nothing for me. So it isn't that I am biased, and it isn't that I was never a fan, it stems from nobody boxes that I give a shit about, period. Also after watching MMA all these years why would I get excited about a sport that only has one discipline and that's boxing. You are aware that MMA has incorporated boxing into itself, and made it one of MANY disciplines that you must know to perform, thus MMA is much more exciting, and fun to watch. Boxing is a braindead sport. I am not repeating anyone, I am telling you how I feel about it, and there is not 1 match-up in boxing that I care to see, and none of them are interesting or exciting.

Smitty hit the nail on the head when he said they are two different games. But if you'd like to compare the fact that a one on one combat sport that includes punching BUT more importantly is marketed in a similar fashion and promoted down the same avenues than let's do that. You said boxers are paid more because it's been around since our grandparents... that's a bunch of crap. The money that pays these fighters is TODAYS money based on todays sales, and the UFC sells TONS of views and has exceeded many boxing ppv events. Hard to believe that 20 years ago they could pay Tyson 30 million for 1 fight and the highest purse amount the UFC has given out was 400 grand plus a fraction of sales giving the highest paid fighter in the UFC (Chuck Liddell at one point) a total of 8.1 million in his BEST year with several fights AND that's including sponsors.
Dude the money to pay these fighters is there.... they just don't pay it.
UFC fan.. the best fighters of YOUR time may not be apparent yet.... when Ali was still fighting nobody but him thought he was great... at that time they were talking about Marciano.... and Joe Lewis.... it's not until a career is over that people look back and determine the historic pecking order of these fighters.

@ UFC Fan
You're not a boxing "fan", you're an MMA fan (check out your name on here) so, you're biased. You and 831 Son are just repeating other peoples opinions because, even your boy Dana White doesn't believe boxing is dead, and is still a fan. Look, I'm the biggest MMA fan, but I was watching boxing many years before UFC 1 or, any televised combat sports came around. If you know what you're watching, it's still exciting to watch.

Mayweather has a habit of talking out of his hind parts about MMA and to try and start beef with the UFC, then backtracking. This only adds to sensationalism, and it's complimented by programming against boxing - an idea that is juvenile and only adds to the beef. All it does is prove that there are fans on both sides who are very willing to talk shit about the other. Sooner or later the smoke is going to clear and this fight won't amount to a whole hell of a lot.

In combat sports, MMA fans represent a willingness and an appetite for more ways to physically impose your will on an opponent than boxing. One isn't necessarily better than the other. It's kind of like saying who's a more determined athlete - Wayne Gretzky or Derek Jeter. Completely different sports can breed completely different types of fans. All it takes is one asshole like Mayweather to set people at each other's throats.

holy revelation! It is the coming of the end of the world......I cannot believe I am typing this: I fucking agree with 831 son! I cannot believe it. motherfucker actually said some shit worth reading.
And I would like to elaborate:
Boxing is dying cause all the greatest boxers of my time no longer box , are dead or retired.
Muhammad Ali WAS the man, and sugar ray Leonard was the man..and Hagler, and Herns.... and so on. 831 son hit it on the head, there's nothing but corrupt fucks and shitty boxers who can't compete with our memory's of boxing s past. MMA killed boxing, it's just to fucking stupid to know it, and so are it's fans.

Boxign is slowly dying. As old racists like Arum KEEP getting older and dying off.....so is boxing and their fanbase. UFC is what is drawing in all the young audineces. In 10-20 years from now, the majority of people will refer to mma or teh UFC when talking about combat sports or big fights

If you didn't read correctly, the reason why Boxers make so much more money is because it has been mainstream since your grandparents were babies and the boxers' promoters hype the one or two events a year like its a god damn revolution. And of course, just because we say Boxing is dying, it doesn't mean the sport as a whole will just diminish. In the U.S. its fucking dying, but probably not elsewhere. And there is no possible way for you too have a legit argument that Boxing's popularity hasn't gone down immensely. There will still be boxing, but barely anyone will watch it. Who the fuck wants to pay 60 bucks for some boring ass shit when you can watch UFC. Id pay 60 bucks to watch Muhammad Ali but that is about it. And there is probably two events a year worth watching for Boxing.

I like boxing, and it's not dying. I love MMA, and it's true that it's the next big thing. I don't understand why people war about this debate. They are two different fight games, and one didn't have to do with the "creation" or influence of the other. Martial Arts competition, challenges, and organized fighting that is not boxing, has been going on for literally thousands of years.......impressively!!! Boxing, even though it has a much shorter history, is one of the most important of any other discipline of fighting or self defense. Proof of it's validity is how important it is in an MMA fighters game.
Mayweather, put on a clinic! It was like watching Anderson Silva, or Lyoto Machida. So, just like I expect the fake, and the non boxing fans to say how much the fight sucked last night, it's those same type of MMA fans who call Silva and Machida boring.

miles and 831son, again I agree that MMA has some HUGE potential and with the younger fanbase only stands to grow. But boxing isn't dying... it truly is going full cycle again. People are always saying boxing is dying.. they've been saying it for years. The two sports are different so there will always be boxing fans. Even if MMA grows larger and becomes mainstream and the biggest sport going... boxing will still exist. True not every boxer makes the money that the top guys do.... but the average pro boxer makes WAY more than the average MMA fighter. Not to mention there is no reason for the MMA fighters not to get paid more... they work as hard and they earn it... people like Dana are just greedy.

@Joedirt

Someone used to make a ton of money selling fax machines once upon a time too.

It is impressive to see the hand speed and coordination of a guy like Mayweather. But it seems like there's maybe 1-2 bouts per year - the absolute top shelf stuff - that is entertaining to watch. MMA stays interesting and in more different ways, and the UFC has so much growth potential, it's crazy.

I did enjoy watching about 4 full rounds there, though.

Boxing is dying bro. They make more money because its been around so much longer and is/was very mainstream. UFC is still in its "baby" years. And once a network tv deal is made, it's inevitable that UFC and the fighters will make alot more money and grow tenfold as a sport. And not every boxer is making good money like Oscar De Le Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, PacMan etc.. There are only a few stars in boxing and they are the only ones making big money.

Well although I won't argue that the UFC puts on more consistently entertaining shows.... I will say boxing is NOT dying. It's been "dying" for 100 years.
Everyone says it's dying and then some fighter comes along and supposedly saves boxing. There is always a next savior. Not too mention for a sport that is dying it still pays it's fighters tenfold what the UFC does... so the boxing promotion is getting that money from somewhere...

They should have a hidden camera and a decibel meter in the theatres where this fight played, recording the audiences' expressions. Then Dana should show a big UFC event in a theatre and record the crowd. Guarantee you more emotion out of the MMA card.

Pacquiao is boxing's saving grace.

yeah I wouldn't say it sucked, but I also can't really imagine watching that in a bar or at home, let alone paying as much as a UFC card for it.

Incidentally, in Toronto not a single pub I go to (all over town) was playing this, it was all UFC 103. And with the free show on Spike leading in to it - man, it was an excellent night out, and a packed house had a great time.

Boxing's dying... won't miss it much though.

It wasn't a great fight... but it didn't suck.

Kanye West wrote:

"Yo Mayweather Jr... I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but efrain escudero had the best fight of this night, and he made weight."

Dana was right...boring. Couldnt make it past the start of rd 4.

ALSO.....What was that WWE star doing in Mayweather's corner at the start??? I am not sure of the name, I think it was Triple H??? What was he doing there??

luh youuu

The fight is very big for the black and filipino community onboard ships/Navy. There's always a rivalry between the two ethnic groups and right now there's so much smack being talked about Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Boxing has pretty much got that demographic on lockdown.