No issue at all with Jones walk-off choke. In fact I can't stand it when fighters get all touchy-feely 2 seconds after it's over, hugging and kissing and spooning and cradling. Do all that handshaking and respecting when things cool down. Celebrate your win, throw your hands in the air, jump around, do what you want. You earned it.

It's not show friends, it's show business.

"Excuse me kind sir, I couldn't help but notice that you were just unconsious. Well, let's not focus on the fact that I just beat your ass and gave you some mild brain damage. Are you ok now? Because I care about you soo soo much...even though I just fucked you up really bad. Good day to you."


The only reason any fighter goes to check on the other guy is for the camera. Personally, I find it awkward to check on your opponent. If I were Lyoto I would be thinking "get the hell out of my face."

hey fucktards... did anyone watch the video? it's about Greg Jackson telling jones to check on machida to get some fans.... why the hell is everyone talking about when he dropped him? get over it... it happens... the point is that Jackson had to yell at jones to do the sportsmanly thing... but for the wrong reason.... moat fighters will go check on their opponents after they regain concousness to see if they are okay... jones didn't... he had to be told to... I've lost respect for Jackson and still hate jones... seems like rashad was telling the truth when he kept callin jones a fake and a fraud

Put Fedor in LHW... if he has anything left of the old Fedor he would stop Jones in his tracks.

The Jones code is to send in Chael. C'mon chael, 20 lbs for one fight to gain a belt won't kill you.

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That or get cro cop to stop being a big pussy, drop to LHW and kick jones in those chicken legs once, game over. Broken Femur sends him to hospital, infection from broken femur sends him to cemetery, everybody wins and cro cop can retire and vacate belt as a winner.

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I still believe a healthy shogun will probably be jones' biggest threat at the moment.

The first round of this fight shows me that Anderson would beat Jones. Anderson has more power than Lyoto, more reach than Lyoto and uses his reach very well, he also is better at avoiding damage than Lyoto and even though his takedown defence is suspect he is stronger than Lyoto and would be able to push Jones away more easily.

The problem is, that everybody that hates Jon Jones is because he's a dick. Plain and simple. If he were a genuinely cool guy, we'd all love him. He is very talented, and I was totally on the wagon from the start with his crazy moves that he pulled against Bonner. But then the dickishness started piling up, and it continues to do so, and Greg Jackson knows it. He knows exactly the only reason why people hate Jones, hence the "Win some fans" comment. The fans he wants him to win are the ones that know he's a dick. Fuck that guy. I can't wait to see him get put to sleep.

maybe greg wouldn't be making a joke about it if it wasn't something they joked about jones' character to begin with?

@ Spitting in the wind, Ha, I wondered what Hallman was talking about, he seemed genuinely concerned, Jebus we neeeeeed yooouu!

@ RearNakedSpoon, well done with the Alan Partridge vid, I fucking love that guy. I gotta say I didn't think anything of Jones dropping Machida, I'm surprised it has caused this much heat, Greg Jackson saying 'Get some fans' was priceless.

No problem with Jones here. Only problem is with the win some fans, cynical approach to checking out the well being of a fallen opponent.
I have a way bigger problem with Dennis Hallman wishing for an apocalypse live on ppv. That should put a few crappy rape jokes and cool behaviour to your opponent in perspective! That guy just wished for the rapture or armaggeddon!
The death of billions. But that shit is cool is it?

BRITTNEY PALMER IS POSING FOR PLAYBOY IN MARCH!!!
Come on, CP, where's the weekend crew getting the news out there?

I didn't see anything Jones did wrong in dropping Machida. The fighter's job is to finish the fight and hold the position, the ref's job is to break up the action as soon as the other fighter taps or is in no condition to continue. At that point the fighter holding the technique should release it ASAP. That's what Jones did. What was he supposed to do, gently cradle Lyoto down to the mat while holding him by the neck? Lyoto could have tapped, just like Big Nog could have tapped before his shoulder popped. All Jones did was release the technique in a timely manner and step away to let the ref know he was releasing the technique and to let him take care of Machida. It's not like he held the choke just a little longer than he needed to. After the fight, he was nothing but class. I wasn't a fan of his dancing around before the fight, but he went in and took care of business, so hey, if you want to dial down his arrogance, go in there and beat it out of him.

I can't remember another instance of a standing submission where the submitted fighter went out where the fighter holding his unconscious opponent did anything other than drop him after the ref separated them...

If he catches heat for this then I guess he has more in common with Tebow than I thought. No biggie, the young man was celebrating.

wow - this is just silly.

who the hell says jon jones should give a crap about his opponent? The guy is in the cage with the intent to cause him bodily harm!

I can see being bothered if he was disrespectful, and I think he's a bit of a dbag in general - but I don't expect him to care if his opponent is ok or not, especially when his opponent clearly could and should have tapped...

I can't believe how many people think it's great that he dropped him. I'm not saying it's a huge deal either... it just says he's a bit of a dik. Sure a punch will drop you to the matt but in all fairness the fight is still on then. It's like holding a sub longer than you have to... it's insult to injury. The fight was over, he knew Machida was out, how about easing up and handing him off to the ref instead of letting him fall face first. "blah blah blah but it's MMA".. yes MMA a legitimate sport, it's those actions outside of the bell that give MMA a bad name.

All you "Grease" Jackson fans can slide on my pole.
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As for the late choke. Shit happens, true.
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Yet, a fight is between two alert fighters. If one has been knocked out, choked out, or passed out - Its not a fight any longer.
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Problem is, when asked Jones said he knew Machida was out, and went limp. Good chance he had not presence of mind that the ref was obscured from seeing. Unlike the police, this is a sport, not a event based on deadly force.
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Should Mir have continued to crank on Nog's arm, even if he knew it snapped if the ref in that match had his line of sight obscured?
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Of course not.

Not a bad sport. Just not an overly gracious sport, considering he was thinking of his own triumph first. Nothing wrong with that. Just not very noteworthy sportsmanship.

whatever. Machida CHOOSE to not tap out and that is what happens. just like Big Nog CHOOSE to wait till his arm broke before he tapped out. maybe they should learn that it doesn't make you look more bad ass when you don't tap.

"Chonde Says:
I say who cares? In fact, I’m tired of guys being put to sleep being called a submission. They should change those to TKO’s. Not only does it make sense since nobody submitted, but it also solves the issue people may have about how JBJ dropped Machida after he was out. If Machida was punched and KO’d, nobody would care if JBJ landed a few more shots to his face before the ref steps in. But since he was asleep, people are offended that he dropped himm? Thats just stupid."

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Dead on.

Bones did check on him after the Docs had woke him up. If someone lands a one punch knockout, are they required to show compassion before they hit the ground? It's not like he kicked him after he dropped him, the guy went limp and he let go. How many of you have tried to hold up an unconscious person? Not just drowsy or drunk, but out and limp? It's damn near impossible to do I imagine and he'd have to switch his grip pretty fucking fast to stand a chance.
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Just a little food for thought, but did people give Dan Miller this same critique when he did it?

this whole comments section is making my brain hurt

@ taintimus
Do I believe that he should have gently laid him down, kissed his cheeks, and said good night,no. I do believe though that the character that Jon Jones is trying to convince the world so hard that he is, would have went over and checked up on him. A move that shows compasion and genuine likability in contrast to his pretentiousness.

@Seraldo Babalu sounded like it to me. whatta classy individual.

Wait a second... he's not really humble... he was just acting concerned for his health...
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You guys hear that? He's a phony! A BIG FAT PHOOOOOONY!

When the ref stops the fight, you let go the choke. Too bad the choke was holding Machida up, and he face planted when he released. Not Jones' fault or problem.

comments in this thread are fucking idiotic. its not about who is the best fighter or who finishes fights.
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jon jones needs direction in order to appear humble. people must also think his well-rehearsed post fight comments are actually completely spontaneous.

Jones is an awesome athlete and fighter, and his youth allows him to fight at 205. He is of course a Dbag, and it will catch up to him one day. Hopefully someone is cranking a kneebar on one of those tiny legs and he doesnt tap and it snaps....then they keep cranking until the ref pulls them off. He is a huge fish in a small pond right now, a few more years and he wont be.

He is a child. He gets easily caught up in the moment, he will learn to be more gracious. In 5 years we wont even remember this. And it was the most competitive fight he has been in, but I dont know about him being out fought and handled.

looooooooooooooooooooooooool

I like Lyoto, think he's a hell of a fighter and nice guy. Jones owed no one nothing on letting him drop. IT'S A FIGHT! If anyone owed Lyoto anything at that moment it was the ref the ref could have held Lyoto up or help him fall more gently. Those who say Jones held on too long, he let go as soon as the ref told him to. Before that, IT's STILL A FIGHT! All that said, I can't wait til Jones gets beat, mainly because I do think he's a Dbag, but also, when that day comes, it's gonna be a helluva fight!

As far as Jackson, he runs the best cult of fighters right now and I was glad to see him coach Jones post fight. But, I do think he said "go get some fans." which is a fail on his part. How about go check on him, it's the right thing to do.

I say who cares? In fact, I'm tired of guys being put to sleep being called a submission. They should change those to TKO's. Not only does it make sense since nobody submitted, but it also solves the issue people may have about how JBJ dropped Machida after he was out. If Machida was punched and KO'd, nobody would care if JBJ landed a few more shots to his face before the ref steps in. But since he was asleep, people are offended that he dropped himm? Thats just stupid.

Sorry guys, I agree here. JBJ's lack of respect for everyone is very anti-Jackson. There's nothing wrong with good sportsmanship, and it's why people love Anderson Silva. He talks shit, but at least he shows respect. The end of that fight definitely made me dislike Jon a little. I'm just glad he has his bed of money to rest on tonight while he cries his eyes out over what I think about him.

Wahhh! The beast we put in a cage to separate people from consciousness for our entertainment isn't polite enough to those he just choked the living death out of. Wahhh!

Wahhh! Greg Jackson is a phenominal coach and is sucking up all of the talent in the UFC. I liked it better when it was Miletich Fighting Systems better and those guys were assholes to everyone! Wahhh!

Jones, could destroy the whole blackhouse team past and current members even dos santos and anderson

Jones will b pound for pound best and will hold two belts 2 different weight classes

If anything this makes me hate Xenophon more.

...and this whole story reeks of Jones hate. Hoping he gets beaten, but when he wins convincingly, trying to find something in his game to pick on instead.

Oh, he dropped him? Let Big John cradle him to his rest.

Korean Zombie was cage walking while Hominick was flopping like a fish. Damn Koreans.

Boo fucking hoo. Jones is a finisher, gsp take notes you bastard.

@smellypiratehooker
they mentioned in the post "you may not have appreciated the way that he dropped Machida to the ground like a sack of rocks"... i think if you agree with that statement, you haven't been watching this sport all that long. That's what I was referring to.

Jackson coaches Jones... The coaching doesn't stop when the bell rings.

This does prove one thing, the online streams are cool. My friend got it last night for the first time and it was a good HD stream with allot of cool options. It's the same price as the standard PPV but you get it for 24 hours and it goes strait to the live press conference afterwards.
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If anything this makes me hate Greg Jackson more.

Jackson=Douche
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After getting handled and outfought for most of the fight, Jones needs not go by the opposition for a sympathy fuck.
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Now I see why the Jackson people are so despised in other circles.
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Scripted anything, sucks - Greg.
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SOLDOUT

Not to mention Greg Jackson’s kind of a paternalistic dick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwW3ytid4DA

Someone needs to coach the UFC on hiring ring girls.
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this is just stupid. the real issue is jones proved he's the best lw at the moment but machida proved that jones isn't unstoppable. that first rd is going to be studied by every lw fighter and the jones code will be broken soon enough.

If this bothers you, you need to eat shit and die.

the dude just slayed a dragon and walked off in slow motion. Yeah, emotions and adrenaline were running pretty high. I don't think his faculties were all there.

Eh. Not overly concerned. He's young and it was a pretty unsettling fight for him as this was the first time he's ever lost a round. People just want a reason to dislike the guy and I understand that. That's why we have men and women overseas, fighting and dying to protect your right to hate.

did he say, go get some more fans at the end?

@ taintimus
That had nothing to do with dropping him. It had to do with him showing some class and seeing if the guy he just choked unconscious is alright

I'm sure he was caught up in the moment. Not a big deal. He had nothing but nice things to say about him in the post-fight press conference. How often do fighters gently place an opponent on the mat?

Much ado about nothing ... it's mma for fucksake!