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[VIDEO] Michael Schiavello, Joe Rogan, and Josh Barnett Weigh in on Alistair Overeem’s UFC 146 Positive Drug Test

(Overeem likes his pecs like his K-1 trophies: abnormally large.) 

On a recent episode of Inside MMAcommentators Joe Rogan and Michael Schiavello sat down alongside Josh Barnett to discuss the topic that has thrown the MMA world into chaos over the past few days: Alistair Overeem’s positive drug test. Barnett wisely chose to remain silent for the duration of the conversation, likely because his last positive test was responsible for destroying the Afflicition promotion before it could spend itself into its own grave.

But it was Schiavello, a long time friend of Overeem, who took an interesting stance on the issue, basically saying that, if a fighter pisses hot anytime other than fight week, why should they be held accountable? Yeah, it sounds as bad as it is:

You know, while we’re talking about the subject, Kenny, I just wanna chime in here on a couple things that have been playing on my mind, the last week or so, since the news of Alistair (Overeem) broke. Alistair doesn’t have a license with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), so how are they testing him in the first place when he doesn’t have a license with them? By what jurisdiction are they testing him? And ‘B,’ everyone seems to be hanging Alistair out to dry. They’ve been nailing him to the cross and crucifying him, but it’s still two months away from his fight. You know, he hasn’t technically cheated. Because, unless he pisses hot on the fight night, how could he possibly have cheated? There’s still an opportunity he can get from the 14:1 down to the allowed 6:1 level by fight time. But we’re calling him out as a cheat, two months out from a fight?

Yes, Michael, we are calling him a cheat. Probably because he fucking cheated. Check out the video below and let us know what you think.

You see Michael, just because someone isn’t cheating at the exact time of their scheduled fight doesn’t mean that they should be allowed to freely and openly cheat in the off-season without repercussion. It’s like saying that someone shouldn’t be able to get a DWI if they aren’t holding a beer in their hand the moment a cop pulls them over. Would that be awesome? Of course, but it would result in a hell of a lot more accidents and deaths on the highway. Just like allowing certain fighters to use PED’s during training and step into the octagon against fighters who, you know, actually have some moral compass and want to try and win the natural way would result in the same. And let’s not even delve into how easy it is to cycle off steroids when one knows the test is coming. Bas Rutten backs this argument, so there is really nothing left to say.

But perhaps no criticism of Overeem’s horse-flavored piss was greater than that of Mark Hunt. As we all know, Hunt has been rallying to replace Overeem against Junior Dos Santos via Twitter-blitzkrieg lately, and has received widespread support from the MMA community, so perhaps his recent statements on The MMA Hour had ulterior motives behind them. In either case, when asked his thoughts on Overeem’s positive test, he went as far as to question the validity of Overeem’s entire career:

Drugs in all sports is a big problem. It’s a cutthroat business, people take this shit just to get by. I don’t use that shit, but when Alistair takes that shit or whoever takes it they just screw themselves out. Like when Barnett screwed himself out of the fight with Fedor. But who am I too judge anybody. I don’t take that shit and no one else should. If they do, that’s on them, Alistair got caught,that’s his problem and now he’s dealing with it and everything that Alistair has done is meaningless now. At the end of the day he just got caught cheating, so what’s the deal? I lost to him, so did he use that shit when I was fighting him? That’s on him, he has to live with that shit not me. It’s not my position to judge him, he has to look himself in the mirror. At the end of the day, I don’t give a crap who’s taking what. The steroids are not going to help them when I hit them. Take as much as you like, I don’t care.

It’s safe to say that if you haven’t gotten behind the #RallyforMarkHunt campaign yet, you can eat a bag of dicks. Other notable reactions from around the MMA world include:

Former UFC fighter Jason High, who tweeted: “LMAO…Overeem. Almost as surprising as the Cyborg incident. *looks for sarcasm font*”

Roy Nelson, who took the sarcastic approach: “yea! just found via internet that I PASSED MY DRUG TEST! It was close but I passed. #Nodoubts @ufc @danawhite

And Joe Duarte, who went with a classic standby: ” ‘It wasn’t me, it was the horses, I swear!’  - Alistair Overeem

All kidding aside, depending on the outcome of Overeem’s scheduled NSAC hearing on April 24th, it looks like it will be the fans, especially those who’ve already purchased UFC 146 tickets, who will be getting screwed as a result of Overeem’s insolence. Now that the California State Athletic Commission is pushing for the legal, therapeutic exemption of testosterone, we can only expect to see more elevated T/E levels, and the issues therein, in the future.

-J. Jones

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xxxrayrayray- April 18, 2012 at 10:06 am
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linzhanaz- April 12, 2012 at 10:33 am . . . . .
xxxrayrayray- April 11, 2012 at 10:15 pm
MMA2Day- April 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm
J. Jones doesn't know how to create examples. The example of the DUI actually support's Michael Schiavello's argument. You can drink as long as you are not going to drive a car. As long as you are not under the influence of alcohol when you are driving, then drinking is ok in between driving episodes. Schiavello points out that if a fighter is clean the night of the fight, who cares what he does between fights? Sun 8 pm est.
Wolf-Rayet- April 12, 2012 at 9:41 am
Glad to see someone else caught that. I thought the same as soon as I read that analogy, too--it made no sense. I wonder if there are even any editors on this site who proofread before publishing?
fatbellyfrank- April 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm
ArmFarmer- April 11, 2012 at 11:18 am
If a person sees this as a place to debate instead of just insulting each other, I highly doubt they have any real experience with cagepotato.
We dont come here to debate as individuals, we come to debate en masse, which makes us mass debaters, badoom tish! Sorry guys , couldn't help that one
linzhanay- April 11, 2012 at 3:34 pm ..................
macreadysshack- April 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm
"The steroids are not going to help them when I hit them…" Ummm, actually, they really kinda are going to help. They strengthen Sternocleidomastoids, traps and other neck muscles that help keep a fighter's brain from slamming into his own skull. Just sayin'. One time I broke a board and a fragment flew back and ripped my lip open. Again, I'm just sayin' . . . sometimes boards DO hit back.
dranokills- April 11, 2012 at 2:15 pm
I should be getting royalties FBF.
damn farmer you disappear for a few months then you come back and like 10 times...fuck... shut up already! i agreed the first time...shut up now.
Wayneraltman- April 11, 2012 at 2:07 pm
If you are not DRUNK while behind the wheel you are not DUI, that was a very bad example. I am half way through my bag of dicks, and STILL do not want to see Mark Hunt fight for a title yet. He has been on a roll lately but there are plenty of fighters ahead of him.
Alan K- April 11, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Steroids are terrible. Just look at what they did to Joe Rogan's hair.
linzhanay- April 11, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Sloppyspray- April 11, 2012 at 12:03 pm
As for Reem getting demolished at light heavyweight, was that b/c he was small and not a muscle freak? I don't think it was. He was just getting technically destroyed and was not willing to (or capable of) take a punch. Anytime he got hit flush he went down. And I think that's still how he is. When he fought Hunt, he got hit with a single glancing blow from Hunt and he got hurt from it and said "No mas" to the stand up game. He even looked a little shaken from Werdum's punches eventhough he claimed that he did not get affected by them. I think he has just learned how to avoid a lot of the strikes he used to get hit with, which I don't think you can attribute to his muscle gain.
Sloppyspray- April 11, 2012 at 11:59 am
@ArmFarmer - You're right, it is cut and dry as to whether he broke the rules, considering the rules are a complete bar on having a ratio greater than 6 to 1. But, as you brought up in your second post, I think the issue that macreadysshack and I bring up is whether it should be illegal. Everyone was ready to give Diaz a second chance b/c they think it's ridiculous to ban weed (even though avid users and practitioners of mma such as Rogan agree that it should be illegal and is indeed a performance enhancer, for what it's worth), yet here it's "fuck this guy he broke the rules." I just find it odd that in one instance its ok to most people and in another it's not. I would bet there are more people that smoke weed than take test or steroids which is probably why there is the difference in thought. I do agree that a level playing field is what is needed, and these guys are doing something right now they know is against the rules so it's their own damn fault.
Roggo52- April 11, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Rogan has never said that. He is pro pot and knows it isn't a PED.
ArmFarmer- April 11, 2012 at 11:30 am
Also for the record, I never did anything professionally. It was always at the amateur level and just as a hobby, so I'm not being a hypocrite. Now if you want to argue over whether peds should be allowed or not, that's a different can of worms. As of now they are not, so for the fighters that don't want to lose their livelyhoods by failing tests, it's not fair for them to have to fight guys that are using. A level playing field is what's needed, I don't care which way it goes. I'd be fine with allowing peds for everyone under supervision of trained medical personnel.
ArmFarmer- April 11, 2012 at 11:26 am
Come on guys, how is it not black and white. The guy was a B level lhw fighter that got embarrassed in a number of fights, then suddenly becomes a monstrous heavyweight that avoids fighting in the US, avoids drug tests when he does, and crushes everyone he faces, winning several world titles. He then gets a surprise test that's unavoidable and fails it. What's to argue? It's the most obvious case of ped abuse ever. The only thing that's arguable is whether or not the commission had jurisdiction. Even then you're arguing over a loophole, he's still a cheater. All this talk about "well he didn't test positive the day of the fight" is just ridiculous and irrelevant. You are actually arguing that it's not fair because he didn't get a chance to cheat the system? Mind boggling. For the record, I have experience with training, grappling, competing, fighting, and even ped use.
macreadysshack- April 11, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Hey, AF, for the record ... In case your question/statement about 'hiw can this NOT be black and white? ... The proceeding argument you make IS black and white to me and you and I agree - Alaistar cheated and got caught and Im fucking pissed I wont be able to see him and JDS fight. That's not what I was referring to as being a 'complex issue' for me. I was speaking more broadly about use of testosterone, legalities and the differences that I personally have experienced/studied between testosterone and the designer abalogs and my opinions about all that. I get the sense that you think I'm on a totally different page than you but I'm not so sure that is the case. PS go fuck yourself. (see ... I know what CP is for and, you're right, it ain't masterdebating. J/k ... I always like your posts (except the gay retart ones).
macreadysshack- April 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I wrote that post from my Iphone. Sorry some of it is sloppy as shit and doesn't make sense. You're smart, though, I bet you can sort it out just fine.
ArmFarmer- April 11, 2012 at 11:18 am
If a person sees this as a place to debate instead of just insulting each other, I highly doubt they have any real experience with cagepotato.
macreadysshack- April 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Go eat a bag of dicks, you . . . bag of dicks eater.
linzhanax- April 11, 2012 at 10:58 am ..........
macreadysshack- April 11, 2012 at 10:08 am
FatBelly, Intercept, Yterbil, Sloppy . . . you guys are actually debating, which is awesome. If a person sees this as 'undebateable' and totally black and white, I highly doubt that they have any real experience with training or fighting.
Fletch the V Stretch- April 11, 2012 at 8:24 am
I am assuming Joe Rogan cut off his use of Propecia and decided to go full Randy Couture these days?
Sloppyspray- April 11, 2012 at 7:30 am
I think one problem here is that everyone is operating under the assumption that steroids are bad. They are against the rules yes, but are they bad? I don't know really. It's very funny b/c when Diaz got busted for weed everyone was like "fuck the commission, weed is fine, he didn't break the rules. I mean yeah it was against the rules, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE!!!! ARGHHHHH." And now everyone's doing the opposite for testosterone, and I don't see why. I guess what I'm trying to find out is: Why does everyone think it is soooo bad? They say fighter safety, but really? If Hendo wanted to fight heavyweight they would let him. He would weigh 220 lbs fighting Brock Lesnar at 280 on fight night. The strength difference between those two would be incredibly greater than Brock and Reem on roids, or JDS and Reem on roids. So it can't really be about fighter safety. I mean if we want go with the "all natural" argument then we shouldn't cherry pick what people can and can't use. Asthma? No inhaler for training, suck it up and get over your asthma attack naturally before starting training again. Poor eyesight? Can't wear contacts in the cage, too bad. etc. etc. Everyone is hung up on "it's steroids." I know people will come back and say "Fuck you dude, it's steroids! It's different!" O really? How? How is it different? Everyone leans on the fact that "it's steroids" and because it is banned therefore it is bad.
@DiazBrotherFromAnotherMother - I like that idea. Kind of like weight lifting. They have natural competitions and then the regular competitions, which everyone knows is code word for roided competitions hah.
MediumRare- April 11, 2012 at 9:11 am
I heard a story that explains all this steroid bullshit. Back in the 50's or 60's the Russians got the jump on the US with steroid use in Olympic weightlifting. When the US team got their ass kicked they cried foul and started this whole controversy over "performance enhancing drugs." Ever since then, steroids have been BAD in the US. In many other countries they couldn't give two fucks. Case in point: Japan. They don't bother testing fighters there and they juice up with gay abandon.
conway_88- April 11, 2012 at 7:02 am
"The steroids are not going to help them when I hit them...

... I lost to him"

DiazBrotherFromAnotherMother- April 11, 2012 at 6:48 am
perhaps a weight division devoted to steroids is in order… Uberweight
MediumRare- April 11, 2012 at 5:27 am
They should ban any fighter NOT using drugs.
No one wants to see men with average levels of T fighting in the octagon. I want to see 'roid-raging gorillas tearing chunks off one another.
PPV = $50. So those fuckers better damn well be juiced out of their minds.
MediumRare- April 11, 2012 at 5:25 am
lick my taint
ytrebil- April 11, 2012 at 4:37 am
Mark Hunt seems like a really chill guy, although I still get suspicious when fighters say numerous times they don’t ‘take that shit’. A nice bit of white knighting there by Hunt. However, to have him fight Dos Santos for the HW title is a bit of a joke. This is the same guy who got beaten by McCorkle not too long ago. I’d much rather see Dos Santos in a rematch against Velasquez first and if that isn’t viable the next sensible option seems to be against Werdum. The heavyweight division isn’t great right now, but trying to get Mark Hunt a title shot is not warranted and would lead to a particularly short match.

Further reason to be pissed with Overeem is the potential of having Mark Hunt fight for a title.
macreadysshack- April 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm
I totally agree with everything you say here. It's like you read my mind and then wrote what I was thinking at a third grade level. Sorry - Im just joking; I just keep finding myself wanting to say the dickishest things today. I guess if I'm going to do it, CP is the place. Seriously, though, I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I must be roid raging.