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When Good Submissions Go Bad: Six Fighters Who Ignored the Tap

(A little club soda will get that right out.)

When discussing his fourth round tapout loss to UFC Light Heavyweight Champ Jon Jones, Rampage Jackson explained that he lets no man put him to sleep because he doesn’t trust people. I’m not exactly certain what Jackson fears might unfold once he goes out, but vile atrocities such as antiquing and billboarding have been perpetrated on unconscious fighters before. But there’s a certain amount of trust that goes into tapping out as well. The tapout is nothing more than a gentlemen’s agreement, really, in which one fighter admits that he’s taken enough punishment for one day. But not everyone in the face-punching business is a gentleman, and sometimes your opponent may not agree that you’ve taken all of the damage you deserve.

When you hold a submission too long there’s a chance of causing damage to a limb or unconsciousness, but it always leads to hurt feelings.

Renato Sobral vs. David Heath

(Click the photo for the video, and if you can translate the embed code get at me in the comments section)

Bad blood: This is probably the best known example of a fighter refusing to let go of a submission, yet most of the facts surrounding the incident are nonsense. You know how the story goes, right? Heath capped off a bevy of pre-fight trash talk by walking out to the weigh-ins in a shirt featuring Babalu’s recent mug shot. Or did he? This fight took place at UFC 74, ironically titled “Respect”. The event featured Couture-Gonzaga and GSP-Koscheck I, which means there were probably a few cameras in the stands, yet there are more photos of Dana wearing a “Free Cage Potato” shirt than of Heath in his mocking garb. According to Heath, a fan gave him such a shirt but “it never saw the light of day”. Several websites ran stories regarding Heath wearing the shirt, but later printed retractions as it simply was not true. I was there in the stands when they hit the scales, and I certainly don’t remember it.

As for pre-fight interviews where Heath talked trash, I couldn’t find anything other than this second-hand quote credited to an interview from “I think he’s a helluva fighter and I like his style tremendously. The guy’s as accomplished as they get, and he’s the type of guy up and coming fighters like me look at and hope that they have a career similar to his. I’ve got all the respect in the world for the guy and I can’t wait to fight him.” Pretty harsh stuff. The weigh-ins did get heated, but it was hardly a one-way street and nothing we haven’t seen before.

The fight: It didn’t take Babalu long to get this fight to the ground, and once there he went to work with punches, hammer fists and elbows from the guard. Once reversed, the Brazilian continued to rattle off strikes and submission attempts from his back, though Heath landed a shot or two of his own. Sobral secured a takedown early in round two and quickly opened up a horrific cut on Heath’s forehead. The mat soon resembled the floor of a slaughterhouse in one of the bloodiest fights to date. Heath worked his way up only to get caught in an anaconda choke and rolled back to the floor. With nowhere to go he tapped out, but Sobral ignored Mazaggatti’s attempts to end the fight and held the choke until his opponent was out cold.

In his own words: If Babalu was feeling guilty about what he’d done, he did a good job of hiding it in his post-fight interview with Joe Rogan“I did what I did, because this guys a pretty young fighter; I’ve been in this game for ten years and he had no respect for me. He called me a “motherfucker.” When asked by Joe Rogan if he put him to sleep on purpose even though Heath tapped, Sobral responded: “Yes. He has to learn respect.” Still not thinking through the consequences of his words, Babalu inspected his work on the jumbotron and added: “Yes. That’s what I did. He deserved that shit.”

Payback’s a bitch: Sobral’s denial of intentional wrongdoing at his Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing–despite his own taped admission of the crime–set the bar high for Chael Sonnen‘s future pleas of innocence. Despite his claims that he didn’t feel the tap and that he released the hold as soon as he noticed the ref’s involvement, he didn’t get off so easily. The NSAC fined him $25k (half of his purse for the fight) and his contract with the UFC was terminated. As if that wasn’t enough, he was later made the victim of a horrible post-fight atrocity himself.

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XENOPHON- October 17, 2011 at 11:40 pm
@Todd M
^Hand, Salute!
I simply have a soft spot for Meagan (drano-kills), she's a unique chick...and sassy too. Can't stand a broad that has no opinion...
Todd M- October 17, 2011 at 11:15 pm
^ Yeah don't go soft on my sake XENO keep that fire coming, GRIN
XENOPHON- October 17, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Hugs and Kisses, Daddy Loves You!
(and that waxed unit of yours)
dranokills- October 17, 2011 at 2:15 pm
damn sheena you are so good at looking up definitions of shit WE already know. Thank you so much for looking up what we mean when we call you a fucking troll. Now of course this just means that , YES we still consider you a troll, even by your copy and paste ability's.
You are nothing more than a troll. You know nothing about the topic, you just spew stupid shit, and then when caught you copy and paste some MORE bullshit and YOU think YOU are cool, meanwhile we all know you are a TOOL.
"disappear disappear ! BACK BACK ...over the waterfall!" ya goddamn troll. fucking babbling troll.
XENOPHON- October 17, 2011 at 11:38 am
@Todd M

hahaha, god dammit Todd, you've got the idea.
It was to force people to think critically, too use logic, reasoning, and to be original. I for one don't want to read lame regurgitation of the same shit found at all the other MMA portals.
Whats the reputation of CP to most other outsiders, simply that we are brutal. Isn't that what we actual all have in common with MMA. MMA is more brutal than most any other form of combat.
So what if you shove me, or get shoved once jumped into the pit, its all in fun. CP is about being original. Maybe in the future I will considering sprinkling some sugar on the top for those of your who think your so sweet..but that's not likely going to happen.
XENOPHON- October 17, 2011 at 11:18 am
@smellypiratehooker (SPH)
@Todd M
SPH - I know, and most realize or know that's the point right. The sheep shake, when they realize the wolf has spied them, and the fish chase the the hook, line, and sinker. GRIN
I didn't really know what a internet troll was, it's more a kids word, so I looked it up the other day. Here is what I found out.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts INFLAMMATORY, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with THE PRIMARY INTENT OF PROVOKING READERS INTO AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE. bingo!
The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted". While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. (and here's the rub, my trolls play on the articles theme or a few posters individual opinions.)
The verb troll originates from Old French troller, a hunting term. The noun troll comes from the Old Norse word for a mythological monster.
In modern English usage, the verb troll is a fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat. The word evokes the trolls of Scandinavian folklore and children's tales, where they are often creatures bent on mischief and wickedness.
The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have appeared on the Internet in the late 1980s, but the earliest known example is from 1992. Early non-internet related use of trolling for actions deliberately performed to provoke a reaction can be found in the military; by 1972 the term trolling for MiGs was documented in use by US Navy pilots in Vietnam.
RwilsonR- October 17, 2011 at 9:33 am
What about the submission put on Kimmy Couture?
And speaking about things being held onto way too long... XENO, there are some very good anti-paranoia meds out there buddy. Let it go.
CrushCo- October 17, 2011 at 4:05 am
The more XENOPHON comments I read, the more I'm convinced he's the dude behind
smellypiratehooker- October 16, 2011 at 11:25 pm
I say keep up you verbal nonsense Xeno, it always makes for a more colorful shitstorm of comments.
Todd M- October 16, 2011 at 10:45 pm
^ See XENO that's how a copyright works.
dranokills- October 16, 2011 at 10:27 pm
I said it the first day you showed up are a stupid, mental, bed-wetting windowlicker. please go jump off a goddamn cliff. Nobody pays attention to you till you scream the loudest in the room, and then only then do people acknowledge you exist to tell you off. please stop playing with your pussy as you type, it gums up the keyboard and nobody can understand a fucking thing you are talking about. You make us all sick, so let me offer you my patented...."Go eat a BAG of dicks!"
Todd M- October 16, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@ XENO, I did answer your questions especially the one about the T-Shirt, there is nothing but silhouettes of unnamed peoples hairstyles and a CP logo, how is that infringement? And fuck you man I ain't no sheep and I find it ironic you label people that when you spew military praise on almost every post. You earn today's D- GRINNING
BeefcurtainBurp- October 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm
@CrushCo: Yeah, that's what I was saying. Sorry for being vague. I was drunk. So drunk that I forgot about this gem too.

However, this was more the ref's fault, but that guy had to feel the kid tapping for about six seconds straight.
Redping- October 16, 2011 at 6:04 pm
holy shit somebody get xeno an ice-pack and a friend, stat, the man has watched loose change one too many times
CrushCo- October 16, 2011 at 5:26 am
@BeefcurtainBurp: Just watched the end of the Shamrock-Baroni fight. Phil doesn't tap, he just goes out, though Frank does hold the choke an extra liiiittle bit when the ref stops the fight.
@XENO: Honestly I just always assumed you were a troll. You may be, but you're a persistent one. As I mentioned earlier, (some) of these videos are posted by sites in other countries, places that don't respect our copyright laws. Maybe not a good analogy, but gambling may be illegal in your state but you can do it online through a website stationed in another country. It doesn't mean that you are in cahoots with the online casino, just that you have a fucking internet connection. Just curious though, how & when did you stumble onto our little scheme with Zuffa?
BeefcurtainBurp- October 16, 2011 at 1:48 am
The only two submissions held too long that I can recall right now that you might have missed were Kimbo Slice vs Ray Mercer (I know, meh) and you can probably count Frank Shamrock vs Phil Baroni. You know if that douche would have tapped that dickhead Frank would have still held it till he slept and act like a prick while he's lying on top of him unconscious. You will have about 2 dozen instances of guys going crazy and continuing to punch the shit out of unconscious opponents if you decide to do that article.
SumDumGuy- October 16, 2011 at 12:31 am
If I hadn't read your ramblings before, I would have guessed your a troll.

You can not be held responsible for linking to someone elses content. That's internet. linking to other people's content.

Google dosen't get sued just because they link to content that infringe on someones copy right. So if CP links to some source where Zuffa's content is uploaded illigally, then Zuffa can't go after CP and make them stop linking. They go after the uploader. Az evident by youtube vidoes that after exposure on sites such as CP get the attention of Zuffa and are rmoved. By youtube. the link is still there, but the content is removed, by youtube, on the content owner's request.
XENOPHON- October 15, 2011 at 10:05 pm
XENOPHON- October 15, 2011 at 10:05 pm
@DoctorWood and Todd M,

There is no more to tell, especially when the two questions I asked, can't or won't be answered by anyone here.

Are you fucking kidding me, if Zuffa really cared about hurting Cage Potato - with Dana's ban, they would have sent them either a cease and desists letter or an injunction akin to a TRO, until royalties could be sorted out. I dare you to put in writing that this is a portal that could ever dream of taking on Zuffa's legal team?
A cease and desist is an order or request to halt an activity (cease) and not to take it up again later (desist) or else face legal action. The recipient of the cease-and-desist may be an individual or an organization.
An injunction is an equitable remedy in the form of a court order that requires a party to do or refrain from doing certain acts. A party that fails to comply with an injunction faces criminal or civil penalties and may have to pay damages or accept sanctions. In some cases, breaches of injunctions are considered serious criminal offenses that merit arrest and possible prison sentences.
One of three things is happening behind the scenes. Either CP pays for the rights to reproduce not one similar representation of a Zuffa fighter, my nearly a dozen of them. Or they get paid direct by Zuffa, as a disinformation site for those that see them selves as rebel types, or third, CP is not permitted to embed Zuffa content, or make profits from its fighters likeliness and is really in some shit that their legal department either dropped the ball on, or is incompetent in failing to realize the liability.
Here is a fact, in January 2011 Zuffa filed a lawsuit against, for what they claim was a massive illegal viewing of UFC 121 among other events. The UFC has likely done this 1,000's of times to all sorts of others too. How many requests do you think ZUFFA has sent to Youtube?
How can the Zuffa people be blind to the UFC audio clips, interviews, live press and weigh-ins, goofy T-Shirt paraphernalia, full length programming, pictures, and videos that are shown here daily...with what, no permission.
Pull your heads out of your ass. Anyone with an educated guess, can see there is a big disconnect. My guess is, the UFC loves Cage Potato (and I bet a buck they have a retainer with them), as this place is filled with dissent...and dissent is only second to fear for herding stupid people like cattle.
Todd M- October 15, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@ XENO, Just a shot in the dark here but I would guess that you can't copyright silhouettes of unnamed peoples hairstyles, as for the Zuffa content well take a look at the BJ vs Jens video, It has allready been taken down. PS Keep Watching The Skies
DoctorWood- October 15, 2011 at 8:56 pm
OMG! This was a good article, but one of those rare moments where the comments section is as funny to read! Xenophon with his UFC/CP comspericy is gold. Please tell us more dude! And Ogre, don't ever change. Hey, I think they called Chuck Liddell "Chocolate Al" on another page in here! Can you find them and let them know??
XENOPHON- October 15, 2011 at 8:37 pm
If you happen to check back, take note that no one answered the question about how it is that CP manages to have access to Zuffa content...I can't be the only person who has scratched my head at that one.
Also, how does CP get the rights to sell and reproduce in the likeness of THE CAGEPOTATO.COM ‘MMA HAIRSTYLES’ T-SHIRT, sold here. From all the exclusive contracts I have ever read, this is a serious breach...yet as I write this, they are still on sale for $22 bucks.
How the fuck can that be? I call bullshit. And RWilsonR and CCMAN can kiss my ass with their disinformation plays.
NinjaVanish- October 15, 2011 at 5:12 pm
@ Crushco: Video and link work now, thanks a ton!
CrushCo- October 15, 2011 at 4:15 pm
@Miles: it's a weird video- it keeps going after it reaches the "end". It goes through past the finish if you let it roll.
Miles- October 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Lol what are you on about Xeno

but ya maybe a picture next time rather than a video of the walkout if you dont have the actual fight vid

interesting article though the Renzo part was my favorite lol