to be clear, the Cale and Shultz and the likes are definitely a long way off and I don't see them going far in UFC until much changes (if ever). they definitely should train some bjj if they want to do mma, otherwise stay a kickboxer and not a mixed martial artist.

I agree with Bob D. Amir is pretty money. he may not be the biggest middleweight or the best overall, but he didn't stop fighting at all in that fight and that is why he won ('lucky' or not). It's obvious that these guys need a lot of work (who besides Anderson Silva and GSP doesn't?) but there are a bunch of top talent guys in the UFC who came from that show and have come a LOOOONG way. TUF is more a vehicle to build fighters than 'find' the one great fighter out of the shadows. other than the mac danzig's who pretty much have things figured out, the show is where these guys can grow and become top talent.

I do agree a bit with S., but i like to try and flip perspective. haha.(not that anyone cares.)

I tend to agree with you, S.

However, I was pretty impressed with Amir overall. He certainly needs to work on his wrestling and jits stills, but he show lots of promise.

I've watched Amirs other fights on youtube that guy is good he's gonna make it big

"no BJ penn."

CORRECTION: In my post above I meant to write "Basic jits-101 skills such as learning how to hold side-mount, pass various types of leg-defenses to gain and hold MOUNT, and to be aware of and intelligently defend arm-bar/triangle/guillotine attacks should be de riguer for a show such as this."

I feel bad for Harris but any time you get cracked in the face with a knee, fall straight to the ground with your head flopping to the side at a weird angle and then just lay there for 5 seconds getting punched over and over, the ref is going to stop the fight. Whether you're out or not.

Without a doubt this is the weakest talent pool yet to appear on 'The Ultimate Fighter'. Most, but not all, of these guys are one-, maybe two-dimensional fighters, at best. In an age where the 'complete fighter' has finally and rightfully risen to dominance, such as GSP, Roger Huerta, Anderson Silva and Urijah Faber...why in the hell is the UFC beaming this mediocre crap into our living rooms on a weekly basis?

Look, if a guy doesn't know enough to even attempt to sink the hooks and an RNC in on a prone opponent that's giving up his back, then he shouldn't be on the show. If you don't have the wrestling skills to be able to have a few decent takedown attempts and defend takedowns and understand the importance of hip position/strength, you shouldn't be on the show. If you don't have some type of basic functional stand-up attack/defense...learn it before you start dreaming of having Dana White wrap a gaudy gold belt around your waist. Basic jits-101 skills such as learning how to hold side-mount, pass various types of leg-defenses to gain gaurd, and to be aware of and intelligently defend arm-bar/triangle/guillotine attacks should be de riguer for a show such as this. I'm not saying everyone has to be a BJ Penn...just have the BASICS of the MMA fight language down and functional before they are on national tv challenging for a UFC contract.

Nothing personal against any of these competitors...they all have my respect for walking into the cage and putting it all on the line. I'm just saying that if the UFC keeps this kind of programming up then they will fall behind the curve of today and tomorrow's rapidly-becoming-educated fight fan...if it hasn't happened already with this season.

Seriously man, is this the best available?

These guys are not readt for the UFC. Either match.