damn, bitch got KNOCKED the fuck out

I'm not a big Tim Silvia fan, but he did something once that I thought was pretty cool. After a solid KO he dropped onto the guy and punched the mat beside his head a couple of times before the ref jumped in. Perhaps he knew the guy and didn't want to break his face, or he just missed, I don't know. I thought it might be a more sportsman-like thing to do when the guy is KTFO on his back with no chance of protecting himself, but you need to clear up any doubt about the fact in the refs mind.

My Dad fell down some stairs when he was wasted when I was little. He sounded just like that. Its crazy some of the shit that happens to your brain when the switch gets flipped for a few seconds.

Eh, i think the first 2 episodes have been great... No matter what, people will bitch. Id rather see fights of guys i dont care about *yet* then a dude crying about missing his girlfriend or an upper-decker.

Ok, maybe just not the girlfriend part.

Yea you're wrong man, most definately. I think its a fantastic idea to show 16 fights in the first two episodes, I agree with you that its bullshit that they're edited fights, but if they showed the full fights it would be fantastic. You think the drama in the house makes the show? go watch the fukin real world then douch, Im here to see fighting, not no stupid high school drama of some douch bags living together.

@cagepotato

Yeah, I'd be fine with a half hour show: 10 minutes of interviews/house footage and 12 minutes of lead in/fight/announcements.

I think the decision to pull any form of entertainment [TV/DVD's/Video Games] beyond alcohol is designed to get as much stupid shit to happen in the house as possible and hype up the melodrama, which I generally TIVO forward.

The show could be a great introduction for up and coming fighters, or it could be a good way to set up fighters to fail their first opportunity at big PR.

It should really be a half-hour show, but it would decrease ad revenue tremedously.

rh

I have to say that I have seen some pretty horrible KO's but that was crazy. In Riddle's defense. I have seen guys take that same shot and not go out. So for him get down and finish it I think that he was just doing what he has to do. Don't get me wrong though I think that Herb Dean was drifting off and really didn't even see what happen, God knows he hasn't done that before.

Bundy: I agree that "mississippi" was fun to watch and could be amazing with talent to match that determination.

You could contact Rampage at his myspace. I heard a rumor that forrest and rampage get into it on the show i cant wait to see it. i've never seen rampage get pissed off but that clip of him throwing a table at the end of the show really excited me. was anyone else impressed with "mississippi" i know i was. i hope he gets himself into a solid training camp i think he could be pretty exciting to watch.

Anyone know how I can get ahold of Rampage or his agent? I want to beat his ass, I know I can.
He hit on my girl in a club, I bitch slapped him then his boysgot between us and the bouncer took them outside. I want time with him without his 'boys' saving his overrated ass.

Herb - let'em fight - Dean as we like call him. He let's them go on so long after a guy is KO'd or not defending himself. On the other hand, others seem to stop fights too soon. It is bad sportsmanship whether you have experience or not, but he needs to realize this so he won't hurt people in the future. He does look like someone who will go far and KO more people.

@cw

I'm normally inclined to agree: a professional fighter should have a good clue when a guy is out and back off to give the ref time to step in and call it. The problem is: Matt Riddle is 0-0 Pro and 0-0 amateur (from mmajunkie). The guy has never been in a pro fight. So, he's going to have serious control issues unlike Gamburyan who is a flat-out shit-stain and decided to take a cheap shot because he could.

Sure, Matt could be a full-blown sociopath who just wanted to kill a man in the cage, but considering his record: I'd like to error on the side of caution and just say he's too new to know any better. His face was just as shocked as everyone else's when he realized the guy wasn't getting back up (and moaning).

As for the original post: I'm on the wall. I enjoyed the fights last night, but I also enjoy the interaction between house-mates. One big issue I've always had in TUF was waiting 2-3 episodes just to see some action. This season is kind of the extreme counter-point. But let's face it: it's hard to balance these things out from a network standpoint.

How else could they go about it? You can't show a winner in the house and some drama/interviews because you'll already know he won the fight. There's just no good way to balance this and TUF just seems to be changing things up for the sake of it. Although, it does look like these guys aren't going to be much different than earlier batches.

That said, one of the big selling points on this TUF for me was Forrest Griffin. His interview with Dennis Miller had me in stitches. He has serious off-the-cuff comedy and really showed how inept Liddell was in front of the camera. He's being over-shadowed by Jackson right now, which I hope changes. But I will give Rampage some credit, he did have some serious one-liners.

Question: did any of the fighters his guys were cornering end up winning? They brought it up about half way through, then dropped it. I know it's not a big deal as they didn't chose or train the guys, it's just been eating at me a bit.

First off, Herb should have ripped riddle off sooner than what he did. Mario or Mazzagatti would have stopped it after the 2nd punch... not the 4th. It was the shots on the ground that screwed him up so badly. If your head has no where to go the damage increases.

Thats why I freaking hate herb dean. He is a terrible ref and doesn't know where the back of the head really is.

2nd, "killer instinct"? You mean having no regard for another fighters well being. I know most of you are going to say "Oh man, its the rush you get from being in the fight and blah blah blah" It's called understanding and controlling yourself. I guess I just care too much but if I knew the person I was against was just totally floored I wouldn't hit them again, but would be right there as the docs and corner men brought him back to the real world.

I just think that shows a lack of sportsmanship and I already freaking hate riddle because he is one of matt serra's "boys" Matt Serra is an asshole.

DAAAAAAYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor guy its good to hear he was going to be ok !

Forrest Griffin said that Matthew Riddle had 'killer instinct' and 'finishing instinct' in reference to punching Simmler 2-3 more times on the jaw on the mat when he was clearly knocked out. Certainly it's not against UFC rules, but it's pretty crappy sportsmanship. People have been griping for days (here and elsewhere) about Gamburyan kicking a man he was pretending to tap gloves with - at least Gamburyan didn't nearly give a man brain damage due to his unsportsmanlike conduct.

I'm sure getting your jaw broken hurts like a bitch, but it sounded like he was gunna cry.

@ rh:

Word. I'm not saying that I find the house drama more entertaining than the fights, but for example, knowing that Dan Barerra was a hard-luck family man and Ben Saunders was a creepy psycho — and making them live together for a while before fighting — made me a lot more interested in seeing them fight. Without any sort of context or history, the fights are less interesting. Just my opinion.

the black belt is gonna wipe em all out except for mebe a couple guys who i cant remember but they seem promising

I have to say that I actually like the show, I am amazed how everyone always has something to bitch about. The last few seasons it was the fact that there weren't enough fights, everyone forgot that there weren't even fights in some of the episodes of season 1! I was a fan of the show before and I am still being entertained, some seasons are better than others, but it's always better than watching some bullshit like Dancing With the Stars. Want to talk about horrible fights? How about Celebrity Boxing?

Wall-to-wall, heavily edited fights do suck, but I'd still rather watch them than "the personal stories and interpersonal conflicts" of relatively untalented fighters...because ultimately, that degenerates into whiney bullshit and melodrama that ranges from "lets trash the house," to pissing in each others beds, or the ever-clever-height-of-comedy "upper-decker" of last season.

The show would suck less if it a) didn't hold up title fights forever; and b) was a half-hour, with 10 minutes of house footage and 12 minutes of fights. Sadly, I don't see either of these changes being made any time soon.

rh