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What Can We Learn From Diaz vs. Noons I?


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This Saturday in San Jose, Strikeforce welterweight champion Nick Diaz will defend his belt against KJ Noons, the last fighter to defeat him. Diaz vs. Noons 1 took place at EliteXC: Renegade in November 2007; the fight was stopped due to cuts after the first round. Since their first meeting, Diaz has gone 7-0 (all wins by stoppage), with notable victories over Frank Shamrock, Scott Smith, Marius Zaromskis, and Hayato Sakurai. Noons has gone 4-0 since his win over Diaz, scoring knockouts against Yves Edwards and Jorge Gurgel.

It’s a rematch that needed to happen eventually, and most oddsmakers currently have Diaz at more than a 2-1 favorite, apparently based on Nick’s reputation and the fact that Noons is fighting in an unfamiliar weight class. The question is, will it look anything like their first meeting? In case you haven’t lately, check out the above video of their first fight. Let’s try to break it down…


Diaz seems to recognize that a straight boxing match with Noons isn’t his best strategy, so he looks to get the fight to the mat early. The problem is, KJ repeatedly stuffs his takedown attempts. Nick decides to box for a bit, but eventually the temptation to shoot again become overpowering. Diaz dives in for a takedown and gets it, despite eating a knee to the face that’s at least partially responsible for his first nasty cut. Noons escapes and the fight is paused so Diaz’s cut can be examined.

When the action is restarted, Noons drops Diaz with a right straight and cuts Diaz’s face again with shots from the top. Diaz reverts to butt-scooting. After that it’s pretty much a striking match, with Noons getting the better of the exchanges and spending the last 30 seconds of the round defending another takedown from Diaz. The round ends. The doctor comes in tells Diaz it’s not his night, kid.

Nick Diaz has since dismissed the loss as bullshit, and underwent surgery to fix his cut-prone face. But it’s pretty much indisputable that he got his ass kicked in that first round. He was getting outboxed, he had serious trouble putting Noons on the mat, and when he did get Noons down he couldn’t keep him there. A tough sprawl-n-brawl game turned out to be Diaz’s kryptonite.

Three years later, both fighters are a little better at what they do, but there’s no major factor to suggest that Diaz vs. Noons II is going to look like a different fight. If anything, Noons is more committed to MMA now than he was back then; this will be KJ’s fourth fight in 2010, a total that matches his MMA output from 2006-2009. Nick’s volume-and-taunting-based striking style works against most MMA fighters, but Noons is an especially talented and technical boxer who doesn’t need to land a hundred punches to hurt you.

Strikeforce’s extra security had better stay vigilant, because I smell an upset brewing…

(BG)

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Coneblazer- October 7, 2010 at 4:19 am
Noons is a brilliant boxer, but he IS a c**t. Arrogant pricks always get tagged eventually. Always good to see the Diaz bros. fight, but maybe the weed is affecting Nick. He looked a bit slow and it's shit when a fighter has such a banged up head and bleeds so easily as to stop a fight. Let 'em fight again Thunder Dome style next time.
Dagnut- October 7, 2010 at 1:26 am
@ Emopinata- The only man here talking sense. Forget about who you like and be subjective about their talents..Noons is much stronger than he looks, has great takedown defence and much better hands. Diaz has Size and Cardio.
HipHopHieronymus- October 6, 2010 at 3:22 pm
I think Nate is going to beat KJ's dad's ass in the post-fight brawl
Emopinata- October 6, 2010 at 1:52 pm
LEARNED:
diaz's boxing compared to noons is awful.
diaz cuts easy.
noon's hook to the body lands everytime and diaz HATES IT
and it'll be 5 rounds if noons doesnt stop it early
2DaDeath- October 6, 2010 at 12:51 pm
"I smell an upset brewing..."

I don't believe you believe that. Look at their records since this fight...

KJ Noons:
win Jorge Gurgel via KO (Punches) 8/21/10
win Conor Heun via Decision (Split) 6/16/10
win Andre Amade via Decision (Unanimous) 3/22/10
win Yves Edwards via TKO (Punches and Elbows) 6/14/08

Nick Diaz:
win Hayato Sakurai via Submission (Armbar) 5/29/10
win Marius Žaromskis via TKO (Punches) 1/30/10
win Scott Smith via Submission (Rear Naked Choke) 6/6/09
win Frank Shamrock via TKO (Punches) 4/11/00
win Thomas Denny via TKO (Punches) 7/26/08
win Muhsin Corbbrey via TKO (Punches) 6/14/08
win Katsuya Inoue via TKO (Corner Stoppage) 5/11/08

I mean, I'd love to see an upset cuz Nick needs to be humbled, imo. But it's not gonna happen soon. Now if he ever fights Miller...
k-onda- October 6, 2010 at 12:07 pm
The first fight just was not Diaz's night, he looked out of sorts, and luck wasn't on his side - it happens. I think Diaz takes part II. But it'll be close either way.
BigBalluh- October 6, 2010 at 11:28 am
I think Diaz was motivated in this fight and has been working on his wrestling to be able to secure those takedowns. So yeah Diaz sub round 1 or 2
Ballkick- October 6, 2010 at 10:54 am
Noons is 10-2, Diaz is 22-7,......just on those numbers I am going with the poster boy for Proposition 19.
Anyhow Noons reminds me of a poster boy for Massengill,....and just as disposable.
trianglemother- October 6, 2010 at 10:30 am
@RwilsonR, funny stuff dude. This fight will be a great fight, Money on Diaz. Lot's of Money on Diaz. Blue collar, hard working fighter vs. a pretty boy who is over confident, give me the blue every time.
Gardeninja- October 6, 2010 at 10:29 am
I think right now the only way Noons can hit 170lb is with a Muffin top...unless they allowed him to weigh in with Vern Troyer on his back. I wish it was a non title catch weight fight instead. It's kind of awkward when a natural Middle Weight is fighting a natural Light Weight.
I think Nick will win in the later rounds buy sub, kind of a shallow victory to get a win on a guy so much smaller.
angry little feet- October 6, 2010 at 10:16 am
Fuck Noons. Arrogant little twat with delusions of entitlement. Every time I have to see his mug - grinning like a mule chewing barbed wire in a windstorm - thinking he's some kind of cute - something in my brain starts to twitch and I want to break shit. Diaz wins this. Fuck a Noons.
shadowbox- October 6, 2010 at 9:47 am
I think Diaz takes this fight because 1st he more of a Scrapper than kj and over 5 rounds that benifits Diaz.2 because I just don't think he will knock Diaz out. I think this fight will difer because I think Diaz will push the pace and after a scary first round Diaz will settle in and do the same thing he does to everyone, and I think he will win with the number of strikes he throws.the only way I see kj winning is by cut again.my prediction is Diaz by decision
halfbreed23- October 6, 2010 at 9:40 am
I'm sure Nick means it's bullshit in the way that it was ended due a cut. Both Diaz brothers and many BJJ practitioners have been getting their asses whooped before notching wins.

Would Noons continue to stuff the takedowns as the rounds wore on against a cardio monster like Diaz?

Diaz wins this fight. Enjoy it :)
RwilsonR- October 6, 2010 at 9:08 am
I think the deciding factor in this fight will be Noons' new muffin top. I'm not sure Nick has the tools to deal with everything the muffin top brings to the table. When you add in Noons' almost-double-chin that he has developed since the first fight, it is hard not to recognize that he is nearly twice the fighter he was when they originally fought.
intercept440- October 6, 2010 at 9:07 am
should be entertaining if nothing else.....

Both of them are epic dickwads. im going to say noons in late in the second by tko

after its all said and done one of three things is going to happen
1. nate diaz talks shit to noons and a brawl starts
2. Nick diaz talks shit to noons and a brawl starts
3. jason miller jumps in Yelling "dont be scared homie" and a brawl starts.

three choices.. same outcome
hooligun- October 6, 2010 at 8:52 am
I have learned over the past 24hrs that KJ Noons is even more of a cunt than I realised. Apparently he is "...proud of being better looking than Diaz.." (say what bitch?!!)

Plus he considers himself the type of guy who bullied ND at school and gloats over the fact he has a father and Diaz doesn't.

I like a 'heel' as much as the next bloke, but this smooth skinned, glib douche bag needs to be hurt bad enough to be humbled.

War Diaz!
shitbag- October 6, 2010 at 8:51 am
No matter what happens, FUCK Noons. That guy is a fucking tool. I would not be surprised if this dipshit becomes a politician eventually.
FlashinLeather- October 6, 2010 at 8:34 am
why do some of the major sites not have lines up for this fight? Both my sites (bodog and sportsbook) didn't put lines up.
Stak40- October 6, 2010 at 8:34 am
I think the term "ass kicking" is used to loosely and often completely wrong here on CP. Diaz definitely lost the round but to say he got his ass kicked is rediculous.
BryanF- October 6, 2010 at 8:33 am
@Rex13

I like the "hair vs hair" idea...except only with pubes and manscaping. Chad Dundas will commentate.
BryanF- October 6, 2010 at 8:30 am
They should just call this card "Don't be Scared Homie II"

....And cue all the Stockton fanboys complaining about CP's hate for the Diaz brothers in 3, 2, 1....

Smitty- October 6, 2010 at 8:29 am
What happened to all the haters sayin Strikeforce wouldn't be around long. This looks like a pretty kick ass card. I rollin with Stockton bitches!
geohutch88- October 6, 2010 at 8:22 am
what we learned is how much of a joke eliteEC was. They were fighting for a 160 title wtf?
ReX13- October 6, 2010 at 8:16 am
i hope to see a Ben vs Mike H2H feature. C'mon fellas, i'm not asking for another Ipecac Challenge.


On the other hand, a hair vs hair match would be cool; winner gets to dictate the loser's hairstyle?
Morningwood- October 6, 2010 at 8:05 am
at the :58 second mark the announcers says, " Nik Diaz has participated in triathletes." Don't be gay, homie!
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