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What If the UFC Held a Heavyweight Tournament?


(Somehow we see this tournament going down before Strikeforce’s HW GP.)

With the current buzz surrounding the recently announced Strikeforce 2011 heavyweight grand prix, we figured we’d take a look at what kind of tournament the UFC could put on if they were so inclined.

Contrary to popular opinion, the calibre of the UFC’s HW GP would be just as good, if not better than Strikeforce’s. The only noticeable difference is that there really wouldn’t be any mismatches in Zuffa’s heavyweightpalooza.

Even if Joe Silva decided not to put the matches together that we hypothesized in order to save some of the more anticipated pairings for the sem-final and final rounds, shuffling the card around would not cause a great disparity in the calibre of opponents.


One could argue that Brendan Schaub should or shouldn’t make the cut, but considering that the UFC’s heavyweight stable also houses prospects like Stefan Struve,  Pat Barry, Ben Rothwell and Matt Mitrione, there would be no shortage of apt replacement or reserve fighters to trump Ray Sefo, Valentijn Overeem, Shane Del Rosario and Lavar Johnson.

If we had our way, both tournaments would go down and go down without a hitch and the winner from each competition would face each other in a co-promoted world championship superfight. But that’s just us being our overly optimistic selves.

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KarmaAteMyCat- January 6, 2011 at 2:43 pm
@Texican

I love the sport of MMA more then you can possibly begin to understand. However I do not like when a show declares themselves legit and is then run like a three legged dog in a circus act. This is not how things should be there should be a level of professionalism at all times. This is something Strikeforce has not shown me. Thus I cannot hug its nutts. Now I dont like EVERYTHING THE UFC DOES however they follow a decorum of professionalism. Look at the Fiscal differences between the companies and then perhaps you'll get what I mean. everythings public for people to see so just do some research.
KarmaAteMyCat- January 6, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@Get off me

I don't disagree at all The Diaz Noons fight was enjoyable for me all around. Well put rarely do I agree with someone at times I can be a troll but well put.
ghostboner- January 6, 2011 at 12:42 pm
@FBF - Good to hear that you're ok. If the waters get too close to FBFburg just holler and I'll take my stash of Carlsberg and whiskey over to drano's and we will head out to the rescue.

As far as the drama, nyea. GuusBuster sometimes changes your name. It what he do,it who he be. So far it has resulted in Snady Vag and Dick Misanthropenis, so I'm not about to try to shut off the creative juices. I may not always agree with the dude, but he keeps it interesting.
texican666- January 6, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Seriously though, there is so much UFC/Strikeforce hate going on, break up cagepotato into two separate websites. one for the UFC nutthuggers who bash Strikeforce, and a site for Strikeforce nutthuggers who bash the UFC. Oh wait, but then you would need a third site for the few who actually like any and all MMA. But it would stop all the nonsense posts of ,"Fuck UFC" and, "Fuck Strikeforce"
texican666- January 6, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Wow, someone got sand in their vagina. OMG, i see what ur doing, Snady Vag, sand in ur VAGINA. Ha. Too funny.
texican666- January 6, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Wow, someone got sand in their vagina.
Get Off Me- January 6, 2011 at 11:48 am
@Karma
I am no stranger to the trials and tribulations a fighter endures pertaining to fighting injured, weight cutting etc...
If you are fine with seeing JDS sit around for another year(it's a torn rotator cuff injury to Velasquez) that's fine, I am not.
If you were O.K. with an elite fighter like Rashad sitting around for the past year because he could, that's fine, I am not.
If you are O.K. with a champion being iced as the number 2? contender now for another 6-8 months(if Edgars nose is not broken and if there are no injuries in the rematch) that's fine, I am not.
Dana has already stated that he needs to figure out what he will do with Pettis, but until he makes an announcement(which I think should be to move sholarus over to fight Roller and put Pettis in against Jim Miller for the number 1 contender) Pettis is on the shelf as a champion who is not injured.
I simply used these examples to show that even the UFC breaks "promises" at the post fight presser to Edgar v. Maynard it was Pettis, then before you know it, Maynard...I agree Maynard deserves another look and let them fight for the 3rd time, but seriously I would be pissed if Pettis has to sit around, if your cool with that, again it's fine, I am not.
Injuries are inevitably part of this sport, but non injured fighters should not be shelved as a result, I said it before, if you are championship material you will become champion, if you have to fight again and lose, well maybe your not all that great, butat least the fans get to see you fight, you make money and you keep those skills sharp(training to fight vs. fighting).

I completely agree with your second para and I have stated above that the production and broadcast team in SF is a complete joke and needs reform, but the criticisms of SF generally go towards Coker and the booking of matches, which I find unfounded.
I loved the KO card as much as you, but there were plenty of fights before that I enjoyed even more over the past year, I can go match for match with you good vs. bad for UFC vs. Strikeforce over the past year.

It's not about Strikeforce being the best and everyone who hates is crazy, it's just about calling a spade a spade, SF for fights(not presentation or commentary) is very good imo.
Barc- January 6, 2011 at 11:45 am
Look, MRuss. You do your thing, man. You write an article --> we shit on it --> you shit on us --> we shit on you --> you write another article. That's how it works for me. Don't change it now, it's the structure i cling to.

Gotta say, kids, it's funny that this comment section has about as much estrogen as a cycle class at Curves and there are those of us who are "leaving the site" because somebody hurt our softies. I'll say it again, I freakin' love the potato. I'm not even drunk, and I can say it. I lov... like you guys, at least a little bit.
uzitotinbaby- January 6, 2011 at 11:15 am
Wow you guys are really pissed about this article ah? I think this site is really good, but it's obviously for a spoof type format to it. MiddleEasy and CageChatter are great too for the same type of format.
KarmaAteMyCat- January 6, 2011 at 11:15 am
@Get off me

How can you even say they're shelving pettis? Nobody lost that match between Edgar and Maynard thus Maynard did not lose his Number 1# contendership. Thus he remains the first man in place to receive the next shot at Frankie. Logic is something you were using for the majority of your post until you said that also how is it the companies fault when Talent get injured? That happens when training in combat sports I can't tell you how often I train injured or impaired to some extent. JDS and Evans are both fine examples of guys who happen to be in those situations BOTH champions were injured, should they fight injured? the simple answer is No.

How can you even play off that we shouldn't look down on Strikeforce? You are seriously fucking kidding right? Did you forget the part were the three announcers couldn't recall what the established rules for MMA were? How does someone who works in MMA in one of the "Supposed" Large companies forget that shit? Two of the three announcers are ex fighters/trainers. Seriously Strikeforce hasn't proven shit yet and thus should be treated as such. I know you all loved that last event where they had four knockouts back to back, but one decent card doesn't make up for a couple years of shit. Sorry fuck Strikeforce.

Mruss for GOP 2012.

Get Off Me- January 6, 2011 at 10:52 am
@mydonkeypunch
Blatant mismatches are what gave Lesnar his belt in the first place, Big Nog v. Lesnar is another prime example.
At the time Rogers v. Fedor went down, Rogers was about as legit a HW there was willing to fight Fedor in SF, he finished Arlovski with authority and was very much like a Shane Carwin going into his fight with Lesnar(keep in mind Carwin had beat Gonzaga...a name on the can crusher list).
It's hard to find legit HW's across the UFC and SF that can actually fight these days, proof positive from the list above where about 4 of the guys are in limbo to say the least.

My plea is simply to wait for another so called "fuck up" from SF before everyone starts going on with the whole SF sucks, they never deliver, they will be bankrupt this year chatter that has been going on for quite sometime now....to me at least it's becoming less and less warranted with every card that SF puts on.
For programming, I think that every promoters wish is to have programming available, but Coker is not Nick Diaz or Jason Miller, they fucked up the CBS broadcast which undoubtably hurt SF as a result, but it's not as if Coker pulled scheduled cards or cancelled fights on people.

Bottomline, I can find plenty of examples where the UFC has gone back on their word or declared matches only to turn around and changed them or worse even shelve top contenders for months at a time not because of contracts or injuries to the fighter themself i.e. JDS, Rashad and now Pettis.

My constrcutive criticism is write good articles above that get us thinking, but leave out the unecessary putting SF down in the process, especially when your talking HW's.

P.S.
Stating Lesnar v. Nog is not a mismatch is simply wrong.
I could also argue that Schaub v. Mir is a mismatch too... look what Nelson did to Schaub, look at what Mir did to Kongo, I could see that happening from a mile away if they fought.
TastyTaste- January 6, 2011 at 10:35 am
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TastyTaste- January 6, 2011 at 10:29 am
Come on M Russ that is lame dude. How many dicks you choke on this morning???
MyDonkeyPunch- January 6, 2011 at 10:11 am
@Get Off Me

I'm not against Strikeforce at all. I think the tournament is a great idea. And I think it's awesome that we'll be able to see the fights in the states. As far as promising super fights and not delivering, I was referring to Overeem fighting a legit heavyweight. I'm happy that they are actually doing such now but it took quite a while. The same goes for Fedor. With the exception of Fedor v. Werdum, Fedor wasn't fighting legit heavyweights either. It's very hard to consider Rogers "legit" by the way.

As far as the negativity... I think a lot of people probably get irritated with the blatent mismatches (they do lead to highlight reel KO's sometimes though), amount of time between fights for fighters (which Coker stated more programming this year), and not scheduling fights between the top competition within their organization (tournament is solving that). I could be wrong but that's how I think the perception is.

I would like to see Dos Santos fight someone instead of staying on the shelf that long too.

I could be wrong with a lot but meh, that's just my two cents.
hooligun- January 6, 2011 at 9:30 am
BG still as good/funny as ever. CP still a good read. 1 of the new writers is just not good enough, sorry.

p.s. Bullying poster - ffs......

p.p.s. middleasy = awesome
Fedor Penn- January 6, 2011 at 9:07 am
Strikeforce's tourney looks much more appealing. Schaub is garbage, I don't get why people don't see this. Much rather have Struve, Barry or Cro Cop in there.
KarmaAteMyCat- January 6, 2011 at 9:00 am
I did, but I figured telling them made it far less entertaining.
Mike Russell- January 6, 2011 at 8:08 am
 You guys do know that you can just go change your name back, right? 
Get Off Me- January 6, 2011 at 8:01 am
How about a new year's resolution for CP.....No shitting on Strikeforce until they fuck up again. I know in the past there have been some "promises"(care to elaborate) on superbouts that never happened(examples please), but the fact that we can see Fedor, Overeem etc... fight on this side of the pond must mean SF has delivered something, or does this not count for anything?

Much like predicting a fight will be boring before it happens, it's kinda equally ignorant to say a whole tourney will be fucked before it starts.

The article is a nice contrast and does offer a fun look at what the UFC could do with it's HW division, just remember that Cain and JDS are both gone with a torn rotator cuff, 8 months to recover and then Cain will be able to begin his training camp....I say both are out because JDS will not fight anyone else but Cain as he is the number one contender and like Rashad can sit back and wait.

I'd like some examples of where SF earned all this negativity?
I have said since day one that the broadcast team and overall production sucks, but as far as fights go, they have never left me wondering why I tuned in.
Videodrome_NOW- January 6, 2011 at 7:34 am
^The Burrito always wins.
Videodrome_NOW- January 6, 2011 at 7:33 am
"Since you're affiliated with break media I didn't expect much more."

Then why are you so butthurt, Dazed? Dude, you got some valid arguments so why be pissed off about it? It is a drama website, but that's why it's fun. It's drama that is somewhat linked to MMA. If you really didn't expect much from CP because of their Break affiliation, why be so bent about the way you think they handle things? And honestly, man, whose lives don't suck in some way? If yours doesn't, I'm happy for you. If your whole post had been a fecicious, sarcastic remark, it would have been funny as shit.

Man, I don't know wtf happened around here yesterday, but it looks like some sort of fuckin shitstorm, with this little dose of love for Fatbelly. This place is crazy as hell but I seriously didn't see what the problem with the article was........seriously.
GILL-uh-TEEN- January 6, 2011 at 7:31 am
@EFB FTW again...
GILL-uh-TEEN- January 6, 2011 at 7:27 am
I'm late to the party, but comment editing and name changing are lame. Bans should only be done if you're sober enough to remember them later ;)

MRuss can be cool, but he's sensitive guys. It's dry in Canada so his ass gets chapped pretty easy. Be warned.
El Famous Burrito- January 6, 2011 at 7:24 am
I love Oprah. I think she's the hottest woman on the planet and I would drag myself through a mile of shit just to lick her beautiful Nubian toes.


**EDIT***

Oh now you've gone too far, Russell!!!
MyDonkeyPunch- January 6, 2011 at 6:52 am
I think once Sandy Vag jumps up and down a few times, he might get his screen name back haha.

I may be a newb to posting but I've been "lurking" for a bit now. It seems with each new article that is written, more and more people are posting to state their utter discontent with the article rather than give an appropriate rebuttle. How can you not expect a moderator not to mess with you if you're attacking his authors or site in general from a non-constructive point of view? I never understood why people will read an article, not agree with it, and then post a comment about how much this site sucks and decide to leave (or threaten to). Why go through all that effort? Solution... just leave. With this article, people need to realize that the author used "if". It was a hypothetical situation to get your minds going. Sure, the author may be UFC biased but that's probably in part to all the broken promises of "super fights" from Strikeforce. It's hard not to have a negative view point. Personally, I think the Strikeforce tournament looks good on paper. However, I think they will have more than one person replaced by an alternate to finish the tournament due to injuries, contract disputes, etc. It would be interesting to see what Daniel Cormier would be able to do though...

People just need to quit being so emotional. Alright, I'm done whining about people whining haha.

CP... I enjoy reading your articles and got quite a good chuckle out of the name change.
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