In the lead-up to Affliction’s Andrei Arlovski-Ben Rothwell fight I’ve heard the same question from MMA fans and analysts again and again: how much of a difference will Freddie Roach make for Andrei Arlovski? For those of you unfamiliar with Roach, he’s a former pro boxer and world-renowned boxing trainer who has recently begun working with Arlovski and who will corner “The Pitbull” on Saturday night. Naturally, it’s got to be a help to have someone like that working with you on your striking, but is it really the difference-maker many people think it is?
In order to get on board with that thinking you have to go along with two basic assumptions: 1) MMA fighters are generally far behind boxers in their technical striking ability, and 2) what a boxing trainer knows about striking is relevant and translatable for an MMA fight.
The first point is mostly valid. Because boxers only use their fists and only fight using a limited array of options, they’re probably going to be better at using them, if for no other reason than the fact that they can afford to spend more time on it. Just like a decathlete can do a lot of things well, he still can’t throw a discus better than the guys who do nothing else.
But it’s the transition to the second point that gets me. Boxing is a different sport. Some of the conventional wisdom in boxing — even basic fundamentals regarding stance, hand positioning, and defense — don’t necessarily work for MMA because of the threat of takedowns, kicks and knees, and the size difference in the gloves. So why is it necessarily so great to be coached by a boxing trainer?
I’m not saying that there is no value to having someone like Freddie Roach in your training camp. The guy has plenty to teach, and it’s not as if he just discovered MMA with Arlovski. I’m just saying that it seems strange the way we’re willing to place so much importance on it, when we wouldn’t necessarily have the same reaction if we heard that Arlovski was working with a great Greco-Roman wrestling trainer.
At Wednesday’s press conference I talked with kickboxer Pat Berry, who helped train Rothwell to face Arlovski. We talked some about how he had tried to prepare “Big” Ben and what he expected of Arlovski, and I couldn’t help but wonder which was of more practical use for a fighter — being coached by a boxing trainer or training with a kickboxer?
They’re both different sports with different fundamental rules and approaches, but isn’t kickboxing closer to what a fighter will experience in the stand-up aspect of MMA? Isn’t there less translation that needs to happen in order to make his lessons useful in the context of the fight?
Maybe it’s some holdover from the privileged position that boxing still enjoys in the minds of many Western fight fans. Even though we love MMA, we still grew up with the sweet science. We still hear ‘boxing trainer’ and imagine what Floyd Mayweather might do if he was also a BJJ black belt. Then again, maybe that’s just me.
I am genuinely interested to see what an influx of boxing trainers can bring to MMA. I’m just not more interested in it than I am in what some really great wrestlers and submission artists can, and already have brought to it. Of course there’s room for growth, but it’s a mistake for us to assume that boxing trainers are a magic serum.
They aren’t. They’re good trainers with a lot of useful knowledge. But they’re not the only ones. Just ask Pat Miletich.
(-Ben Fowlkes)









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commentsI think the hype in Freddie Roach lies in the fact that he's a decorated and world renowned boxing coach. He's trained champions in boxing and on paper that will translate into MMA. Every style has to be tailored to fit MMA and most fighters start out with a core of one or two disciplines. You can sign up for "MMA" classes at certain gyms, but the majority of gyms train in only a few disciplines (generally the most effective BJJ, Thai Boxing, Boxing and Wrestling). It doesn't matter if you're an Abu Dhabi champion, you'll still need the knowledge to defend the TKO on the ground and adjust your grappling style to fit MMA. It's the beauty and unpredictability associated with Mixed Martial Arts. This sport is still relatively new and I think people are going to be shocked when they see the next generation of fighters. The fighters who have evolved. Especially the fighters who can actually USE the rubber guard.. not just pull it for the first time in the middle of a fight.
Arlovski is a former champ though i doubt he is really thinking about going into this fight with the gameplan of only boxing Rothwell. Not everything in boxing can be translated to MMA like it says up above, but if you use it to make certain parts of your game better I don't see any problem with training boxing like any other style of striking.
Plus if more MMA fighters bring in boxing trainers and have success afterwards. Maybe boxers already using the same trainers will bring in some BJJ coaches and/or wrestling coaches to learn a ground game and give MMA a shot themselves.
Keep in mind Roach is just his lead trainer now, all trainers have a good team around them for weight lifting, cardio, nutrition, ect. His job is just to keep it all together and work the closest with the fighter on what ever his specialty is.
Having a specialized trainer is only dangerous if you stick to one thing exclusively. You need to Mix all of the Martial Arts together...HEY! They should call this Mixed Martial Arts! Someone get me Dana White on the phone...
Will Roach be in his corner during the fight? Giving him advice? I think he's just helping him out with his boxing skills, nothing more. I dont know if it will help him, but I dont think it would hurt him either... His last fight with Sylvia was nothing but boxing, since neither one knew how to box, the fight was boring and sucked, if he knew how to strike better, he would have knocked Sylvia out.
Believe me, if anyone one of these UFC fighters had the skills to be boxers, they would be boxers and not in MMA... World class boxers are multi millionaires. World class MMA fighters are thousandaires, I've been following the UFC since day 1, they get fucked when compared to boxers and especially seeing how much the UFC makes.
I have seen a nasty trend in MMA of looking for the knock out in every fight. I remember when that wasn't the case and MMA is now worse for it.
The beauty of MMA is the sawed-off shotgun approach to fighting. You never know how a fight will turn up with a fighter that could KNYTFO or make you cry uncle if you go to the ground. When you narrow the fight down to kickboxing or just plain boxing, then you end up with fighters like Tim Sylvia, who is very good in the stand-up game and knows how to use his physical attributes to his advantage but makes for a lousy and boring fighter. True MMA fighters like Anderson Sylva, Kenny Florian and Diego Sanchez make fights entertaining because they actually have bothered to 'Mix Martial Arts". Diego learned his lesson when he stopped mixing the arts and lost a stupid boring fight in a decision to a lesser talented fighter in Josh Koscheck. Diego Sanchez lost to Josh Koscheck because of boxing. He let De LaHoya convince him that boxing was enough to win and we all saw, what we knew to be true: that a good/decent boxer has no chance in the octagon against a mediocre MMA fighter. Isee this fascination with boxing trainers as a very bad thing for MMA. Don't believe me? Watch Rampage v. Griffin, and tell me you wouldn't tell Juanito to go to hell.
I believe the interest in Arlovski training with a boxing coach is that he already has KO capabilities with his striking, and if he puts in the work on combos and hand speed, it is exciting to think about an explosive knock out. It also lets you know that it is his plan to win on his feet with a KO which is more exciting than a submission to the average MMA viewer. When some one trains with a world class wrestling coach, that may mean the possibility of dominant position and great takedowns but somehow that doesn't get me as excited as the possibility of a KO punch!
By the way, if Mayweather was also a BJJ blackbelt, his fight with Uriah Faber would be very fun to watch!
I didnt even read the article I just though I would chime in.
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