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Wild Speculation: Is Dana White Serious about not Holding a UFC vs Strikeforce Event?

At least we’ll probably get this in the next UFC videogame…

There is zero need for sarcasm here. No reason at all for me to act like you haven’t already heard that Strikeforce has been purchased by the UFC. Mac Danzig is a fan of the acquisition. Paul Daley, not so much. While most of the implications of this merger are still up in the air at this point, let’s make one thing clear: There will NOT be any UFC vs. Strikeforce cards. If Dana White says it, which he did, then he’ll never, ever reconsider. Just ask Karo Parisyan.

Are we really to believe that Strikeforce will be the UFC’s version of the D-League? Dana White purchased his biggest rival in the hopes of harvesting a small time promotion that occasionally produces a Chris Andersen, but usually produces a bunch of journeymen?  Or maybe he plans on giving his new acquisition the Bamboo Lounge treatment. Well…

The Case For a UFC vs. Strikeforce card:

Let’s look at The UFC’s title situations, division by division:

Heavyweight:  The winner of Lesnar vs. Dos Santos gets to fight Cain.  Good thing, because the only other top 10 heavyweight on their roster currently riding a win streak is Frank Mir

Light Heavyweight:  No comment.

Middleweight:  When your champion takes fights at a heavier weight class because he’s sick of the chumps he’s already beaten, you’ve officially reached a stalemate.

Welterweight: See above.

Lightweight: The winner of Edgar vs. Maynard lll gets the winner of Pettis vs. Guida, assuming that neither fight ends in a controversy and/or a draw. Stranger things have happened.

See a pattern here? Now is the perfect time to shake things up, and Strikeforce’s champions are a perfect way to do this. Even if Dana White doesn’t want to risk putting all of his champions on the same card, he doesn’t have to.  Strikeforce doesn’t have featherweights or bantamweights, for one.  More importantly, there’s plenty of intriguing non-title bouts that this merger can give us.  Think of what the UFC can do with Shinya Aoki, Tim Kennedy and Gegard Mousasi.  Or how about a rematch of the notoriously awesome Ray Sefo vs. Mark Hunt fight?  How many years now have we been dreaming about Fedor vs. Couture?  You get the idea.

The Case Against a UFC vs. Strikeforce card:

The best fighters fight in the UFC, and their champions are the only champions that matter in the world of MMA. Go ahead and ask Dana White for his opinion. But wait until after Shields vs. GSP, though. We know that there’s a lot riding on GSP winning this fight, but just imagine how crazy it’ll look of one of those D-League champions walks in and defeats the UFC’s untouchable icon. 

If you’re going to make a card like this work, you’ll need to put at least one of your league’s champions up against the other league’s champion. Now look at Strikeforce’s champions:  Alistair Overeem, Gilbert Melendez and Nick Diaz wouldn’t exactly be easy fights for the UFC’s champions. For that matter, after Dan Henderson left the UFC as the organization’s number two middleweight, Chael Sonnen demonstrated that a good wrestler can give Anderson Silva problems. Now imagine if one of the Strikeforce champions actually wins. What do you do, give him a call up to the big leagues for an immediate title shot against the guy he just beat? Send him back to the minors after he beat the best fighter in his weight class?  Instantly announce opponents for both fighters and act like the fight never happened? Or does Zuffa create a trophy for the organization whose fighters win the most fights, so that the interns at each company’s respective offices have something to motivate them? I think I just answered my own question.

-Seth Falvo

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Fedor Penn- March 14, 2011 at 11:44 am
The UFC heavies will try their best do duck The Reem just like everyone else but it looks like they may be running out of places to hide.
Ric Flair- March 14, 2011 at 9:18 am
at least with a women's division possibly coming to the UFC 2 years from now, Frank Trigg could very well be a UFC champion again some day!
jimbonics- March 14, 2011 at 6:20 am
Mongrel: Fights - Maybe. Production - Fuck No.
submission_via_nutsack_choke- March 14, 2011 at 1:56 am
The important question no one seems to of thought of here is :

When will Dana White vs Scott Coker happen ? The stipulation being the winner gets full ownership of the UFC.

I'd pay money to see that. (but not much money)
Mongrel- March 14, 2011 at 12:55 am
Sphericalcrusher, you're wrong - kid.
There's maybe a handful of actual UFC washouts in Strikeforce with Arlovski being a prime example. Werdum on the other hand wasn't doing all that bad in the UFC, going 2/4, with a losses to Dos Santos, and Arlovski who he later beat. Who else do we have... Barnett? He left as a champion, who else... Henderson? He left due to contractual issues with a 3-win streak...

What I'm saying is, Strikeforce may not be the UFC but for its lack of funding, it is doing a damn good job with some of its events and talent. I mean, they arguably have the best HW division, and if it isn't the best, it's by far the most exciting. There's no doubt in my mind that the UFC was threatened by it and now we KNOW for a fact that they were.

I hope they don't ruin Strikeforce - it's the most entertaining MMA promotion since Pride if you ask me.
sphericalcrusher- March 13, 2011 at 11:44 pm
In response to the comment you left for that picture... you can do a Fedor vs Couture in EA Sports MMA. ;) Couture signed onto that game but not the UFC game. UFC vs. Strikeforce would not be as good of an idea as you guys think since most people in Strikeforce were past UFC members -- and a lot of them were cut due to going on a losing streak (ie top heavyweight contenders)...
Endless Soldier- March 13, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Remember Dana's dream that he'd want UFC to show fights every week? Like WWE's Monday Night Raw and Friday Night Smackdown? Ah, dreams.
djp1988- March 13, 2011 at 6:45 pm
I'm still wondering when Shane McMahon is going to show up and tell Dana that he bought Strikeforce from under him.
Shifty-Eyed Dog- March 13, 2011 at 5:49 pm
The UFC should take advantage of the possibility of no (or delayed) NFL season this fall. Think about it - tons of hardcore sports fans with nothing to watch every weekend?? How about a UFC event every Sunday!!! or maybe Monday Night MMA?!

With all the UFC's fighters, plus all they absorbed from WEC, and now with Strikeforce, they have plenty of fighters to put on a show every weekend!!
Hank Mardukis- March 13, 2011 at 1:18 pm
No mention of a Jacare-Maia BJJ Super Showdown? You fail at life
Tardjitsu- March 13, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Why not Ubereem Vs Pat Barry or even Ubereem Vs CroCop?
noizy- March 13, 2011 at 12:44 pm
EA Sports MMA should merge with THQ UFC series. Oh yea! :P
Kimbos Bread- March 13, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@ Morningwood

Burrrrrrrrrrn!
stopdrinkingpee- March 13, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Seth, was there any point at all to this post?
ccman- March 13, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Seriously,
Hw. Overeem maybe, let's see how he looks existing in a testing area before making a conclusion. Fedors done. Barnett won't happen, aa, lol, big foot? Too slow for lesners and carwins and mirs (those as big as him)
Lhw hendo? Oh come now. Definition of punchers chance. King mo is nothing, and jacre (sp) ain't making top 10.
Mw. I like miller more than most, kennedy some, but who else? Do they have a belt holder?
Ww. Same as mw, just adding bodies for gsp. Diaz is nowhere near strong enough to have a chance.
Lw. Melendez is stockton pipe dreams. I knew bj would kill him and edgar\maynard would also. Kell kenflo would come back up to abuse melendez.
portland mma- March 13, 2011 at 12:00 pm
The UFC is hoping to produce the next Chris Anderson? Really? Have you ever watched basketball, if you live in Denver he's a fan favorite...if you live anywhere else in the U.S. he's a hard-working journeyman. The dude is averaging 5 points and 4 rebounds a game this year thats' more Scott Smith then Nick Diaz.
SethF- March 13, 2011 at 11:47 am
Someone's no longer invited to my housewarming party...
steampunk22- March 13, 2011 at 11:41 am
@SethF

Poignant and relentless rationality is what I do best! Do you hear that? Its the sound of your speculative dreams being utterly dashed away. Ha! ;)
the silver hawaiian- March 13, 2011 at 11:23 am
Ha!
Morningwood- March 13, 2011 at 11:06 am
plus when/if you re-sign someone to either SF or the UFC. Dana has all the power. You don't like my offer? Go to cage potato and ask them to raise you some money for a bus ticket to Bellator.
Shatski- March 13, 2011 at 10:56 am
Is that the EA MMA game? Why do the graphics look so terrible by today's standards? Like PS One terrible. The demo I played didn't look that bad.
SethF- March 13, 2011 at 10:48 am
Your rationality is destroying the wild speculation, steampunk.
steampunk22- March 13, 2011 at 10:47 am
Superfights are going to happen, but I highly doubt there will be 'unification' bouts. The only way you're going to see Overeem fight for the Heavyweight belt in the UFC is when he has been bribed with all the horsemeat in the worldsigned by the UFC. No cross promotion.
steampunk22- March 13, 2011 at 10:45 am
Its simple. Strikeforce serves as a holding pen. The organization has a two-year expiration date. Any contract that comes up, before that date will have one of three possible outcomes.

1. The fighter is interpreted as having no current or future value, and is let go.
2. The fighter shows intermediate value, and is kept around in SF to see what happens (until the 2 year period is up) where they will be then be re-evaluated. This keeps talent that has shown potential under contract in the 'minors', preventing them from going to Bellator, MFC, etc.
3. The fighter shows much potential, is a star, and is bumped up to the UFC.

Upon the 2 year expiration date of SF being reached, which all contracts will be conveniently coordinated to as well, all remaining talent will be evaluated for the 'final' time and the good will be kept while the Daley bad will be discarded.

It seems unlikely that they will bother with any cross brand fights. All the SF contracts are fairly short term from what I understand (ie no 3 year deals). Its easier just to sign the fighter to the UFC when their contract is up, or re-sign them to SF (within the expiration period) to hang on to them until SF is done.
Turd Furgeson- March 13, 2011 at 10:38 am
I have been away for a while, and this is the first I've heard of this. This is one of the best things I've heard since ever. Now Nick Diaz can get smoked by the likes of Carlos Condit, and you guys will have no choice, but to shut up about how awesome he is for beating now one. It's gonna be great!



Also the heavyweights! Now we'll really see who has the best heavyweights in the world. Awesome.
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