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Yep, Andre Winner Got Screwed Out of KO of the Night at UFC 105

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When we heard that Dennis Siver received UFC 105′s Knockout of the Night bonus instead of Andre Winner, who appeared to have seriously affected Roli Delgado’s future consumption of solid foods with that blistering right hand, we were a little taken aback.  But okay, we thought, in all fairness, we hadn’t seen Siver’s knockout.  Winner’s was clearly a brainstem adjustor of the first class variety, but maybe, just maybe, Siver’s was so spectacular that it made Winner look like he’d barely squeaked by.  It’s possible, right?

Possible, yes.  True, no.  The UFC has posted a soundless version of the Siver-Kelly fight on their website, and while Siver does deliver an impressive spinning back kick to the ribs that effectively sucks all of Kelly’s fighting spirit out of him, the finish itself comes a few moments later and is fairly unremarkable.  Obviously, Siver’s being rewarded for that kick, and it was something to behold.  But it didn’t technically knock Kelly out, it just sent him down the path toward the TKO finish.  So how, exactly, does that equal KO of the Night? 

That’s not to say that Siver wasn’t deserving of some extra cash for his finish, and he definitely fought a tougher opponent than Winner.  But as long as we’re rewarding people for knockouts, we might as well reward the guy who turned his opponent into a lifeless blow-up doll with a single punch.

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Edith- November 18, 2009 at 11:53 am

Brown + Wilks = FOTN
MasterDuncan03- November 17, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Something is wrong with your boy's computer if that fight didn't have sound. Definitely did on my PC.
Mdollas- November 17, 2009 at 3:47 pm
If you have an issue with shots being landed after the KO, go get in a fight, and when you KO your opponent in the heat of battle see if the first thing that comes to your mind is "STOP."
Chri534.- November 17, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Am I seeing this wrong or is Siver briefly tapping at about 2:50 in that video? It's either that or a double thigh slap attack.
just some dong- November 17, 2009 at 1:07 pm
You're expecting to see kind-hearted men fighting inside a cage?
vengful1- November 17, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Yeah he really held back. What a kind-hearted man. lol
Ascerendant- November 17, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Siver's kick was fantastic...BUT: they gave him KOoTN for the exact same kick at UFC 93 already. And there it really ended the fight right away. Maybe they just wanted to be consistent but I think, Siver needs to at least step it up to a spinning kick to the face. Can't get the bonus for that same old kick over and over again, Dennis!
just some dong- November 17, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I'm shocked. Watch the gif again, and this time, actually WATCH IT. It's only 7 seconds long, kids.

After dropping his man, Winner moves to follow up just like any fighter would. He then redirects his big follow-up at the last second to land it on the guy's shoulder when he realizes Delgado is out. And the final blow was just a weak left thrown because the ref hadn't yet stopped it. It's nothing like that elbow Hendo dropped on Bisping's chin, when he admitted afterward that he knew Bisping was out but just wanted to "shut him up."

Winner held back quite admirably and can't be faulted here at all.
ReDx- November 17, 2009 at 11:46 am
The UFC is pretty pretty biased when it comes to the bonuses. Sometimes they will set an example by not giving it to certain people when they've rewarded the same thing in the past. Dana publicly spoke about Anthony Johnson not getting the bonus because he was 6 pounds over yet a few months before Alves came in 4 pounds heavier than the limit against Hughes and won KO of the night, then was rewarded a title shot. Then Henderson delivers a massive late hit on Bisping and then boasts about it yet still gets the KO bonus. They need to take away the titles of the bonuses and just call them the whoever we feel like giving it to bonus.
Miles- November 17, 2009 at 11:31 am
Even though it wasn't a Knockout per say, it was the most impressive finish. Winner's was pretty sweet too, but finishing a guy with a spinning back kick is a much more technical feat. I mean, as soon as he landed that the fight was over. There are refs out there that would have ended it when he just layed there in pain when Siver backed off

I like the decision to give it to Siver..

also... why didn't the ref yell STOP when winner went in for more? I guess he wanted a closer look but thats one way to prevent the extra shots on dead-obvious knockouts like that
Rydog444- November 17, 2009 at 10:42 am
I agreed with you until the NY thing. When you say that they'll never stand behind something that could land a guy in the hospital or tucked away nicely in a cloth-lined box, you are far more describing boxing than MMA. That's the sport where they let a guy totally out on his feet continue to get pummeled if he answers the ten count and can look in the ref's general direction.
Dojima- November 17, 2009 at 10:31 am
Did anyone notice the way Dan Miragliotta flexed on Kelly when he couldn't get up, rather than just stop the fight because dude was obviously hurt?

It was like a frat boy yelling, "get up, pussy. get up and fight, you little punk"
kupo- November 17, 2009 at 10:13 am
Siver's kick broke a few of Kelly's ribs you asshats. Thats way worse than going to sleep for a minute. I think he deserves the bonus.

EDoggFunkMonk- November 17, 2009 at 10:05 am
Knocking out Delgado is like pounding out Mirko "the kitten" CroCop when he's on his back. So simple even a caveman could do it.
NorthSouthDudesOnly- November 17, 2009 at 9:56 am
Dude is an asshole.
I'm glad he didn't get it.
stingrza- November 17, 2009 at 9:54 am
I also came in here to say that I think this was a PR move designed to demonstrate that they do not "reward" fighters who do things that could appear to the public/media as dangerous/barbaric.

That said, after watching the Winner/Delgado highlights again, it's a lot easier for me to understand why Winner threw those extra shots, outside of him clearly being a lunatic. He hit Delgado with that exact same overhand right earlier in the fight, and then he momentarily stood there, assuming Delgado was out. He wasn't, though, and I have to think that Winner at that point told himself, "If you catch him again, finish."

That still doesn't excuse him not making any effort whatsoever to visually assess Delgado's condition, which was obviously "murdered." But hey, fight till the ref stops it I guess.
busted_cranium- November 17, 2009 at 9:51 am
Most of the ones who club the fuck out of their opponent when he's down are your typical garden-variety douche bags in their every day lives and just want to beat on someone for the sake of beating on someone. Granted, there are exceptions, but the vast majority are simply assholes that would smash a guy with a bottle and then kick him in the face a few times if given the opportunity.

With that being said Winner got banged out of the bonus due to that simple fact. Talk all the shit you want about "finishing the fight," but when a guy is clearly napping there's no sense in landing another two or three stiff punches to the chin and/or face. It's beyond unnecessary and approaching the realm of intent to do great bodily harm.

It's also why we'll never see sanctioned MMA bouts in New York. The decision-makers on such matters see that kind of shit and think -- rightly so I might add -- that it's brutal and ugly and they'll never stand behind something that could land a guy in the hospital or tucked away nicely in a cloth-lined box.
clutchy hopkins- November 17, 2009 at 9:42 am
yeah it was hugely obvious buddy was kaput. hope hes alright
831 Son- November 17, 2009 at 9:39 am
I still would have given Andre KO of the night regardless of the extra shot he landed on Delgado. There should just be a minor fine for fighters that give unnecessary blows.
Sabado Gigante- November 17, 2009 at 9:34 am
Roli Delgado is the Barry Horowitz of the UFC
One Two- November 17, 2009 at 9:33 am
WTF?!? liver kick of the night maybe, weird, they should really change the name of the bonus to avoid the confusion that you have to knock somebody out to get it.

should add "ref stoppage due to inability to defend himself of the night bonus" that would clear that up.
fACE7biter- November 17, 2009 at 9:33 am
Winner def had the better KO. Siver's was a bit more of an extended KO that really should have ended the fight right away, but a KO is supposed be just that. Siver's was really a TKO. Maybe the athletic commission and the UFC need to make it more clear what the proper ettiquette is for hitting an opponent while they're down. Boxing doesn't have this problem, so they need to set a precedent for MMA. I know technically it's alll good until the ref stops it, but fighters have been criticized for hitting a downed foe several times. They all can't be altar boys like the blessed Nate Marquardt.
Smitty- November 17, 2009 at 9:12 am
I thought it was kind of tacky that he added a couple extra punches to Delgado's lifeless body. He coulda pulled up. However, I do admit loving to watch Dan Henderson "come off the top rope" and club Bisping across the grill.
Rydog444- November 17, 2009 at 9:05 am
I think they are penalizing him for taking obvious shots at an unconscious opponent. Yeah, yeah, I know, until the ref stops it blah blah, he was out cold and everyone knew it. I agree with not giving him bonus money for doing that.
TrouserSnout- November 17, 2009 at 9:01 am
Winner's should have been the winner.....