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CagePotato Roundtable #10: Who Was the Worst Major MMA Champion Ever?


(Come on Tim, you haven’t even read the column yet. Maybe we wrote nice things about you, okay?)

Today on the CagePotato Roundtable, we’re talking paper champs — the one-and-dones and never-shoulda-beens who weren’t quite worthy of the gold around their waist. To limit our scope a bit, we’re only focusing on major MMA promotions like the UFC (including tournament champions), PRIDE (even though all their champions were awesome), Strikeforce, the WEC, and probably Bellator and DREAM as well if anybody cared enough to mention them. Joining us this week is our dear friend Kelly Crigger, the retired solider and best-selling MMA author who’s currently elevating rugby-awareness at American Sin Bin. Read on for our picks, and please, please, please send your ideas for future Roundtable topics to tips@cagepotato.com.

Jared Jones

For four months in 2001-2002, Dave Menne — the fighter who Phil Baroni famously steamrolled at UFC 39 — was the UFC’s middleweight champion. That’s right: The belt that Anderson Silva has proudly worn for the last five-and-a-half years used to belong to this guy. Menne won the title in September 2001 by beating 5-0 newcomer Gil Castillo, and went on to compile an overall record of 2-4 in the Octagon. Gentlemen, the floor is yours. Good luck.

Kelly Crigger

The worst major MMA champion of all time has to be Carlos Newton. For starters when you say your fighting style is Dragon Ball Z Jiu Jitsu to pay homage to a Japanese anime character, there’s a screw loose somewhere.

Secondly, when Newton won the UFC welterweight title, there wasn’t exactly a deep talent pool of competition. MMA was still evolving and techniques were as sound as using bubble gum on a car engine. I will admit that he beat a very experienced and talented Pat Miletich to get the strap, but that’s the lone gem in his dreadlocked crown. Today every weight class has a laundry list of accomplished fighters and an alternate list of accomplished fighters waiting in the wings in case they tweet something controversial and Mr. White fires all of them. The point is, he didn’t exactly climb a ladder of giants to get to the belt.

Thirdly, he never defended it. They say you’re not really the champion until you defend the belt. They’re right. The hunger that consumes so many fighters as they climb the lofty MMA mountain is frequently snuffed out once they get to the top. The mighty tumble faster down those slopes than the President’s approval ratings. Newton never defended the welterweight title and had one of the shortest reigns as champ in the history of the UFC, especially when you consider how infrequent the events were back in 2001 when he was the champ. Newton’s inability to defend the belt could be forgiven if he’d remained a contender or changed weight classes to challenge for another belt. But his career nosedived after losing the welterweight title to Matt Hughes in his very next fight and he went 6-9 over the next eight-and-a-half years of fighting, with no wins over anyone notable.

Carlos Newton was in the right place at the right time to win the UFC welterweight belt, but since that day his career has been lackluster at best and largely unmemorable. Guess that Dragon Ball Z Jiu Jitsu wasn’t so hot after all.

Seth Falvo

I’ll be honest: When this topic was first introduced, I was pretty skeptical about how it would work as a column. “Major MMA promotion” is an incredibly vague term that could apply to pretty much any promotion that we’ve covered on this site. KSW is a major promotion in Poland. Inka Fighting Championship is a major promotion in Peru. What I’m trying to say is that I didn’t want this column to degrade into a contest to see who can name the most obscure organization’s least-talented champion, like we’re a bunch of MMA hipsters who just overheard someone say “Brock Lesnar should totally be in the UFC Hall of Fame, you guys.”

Yet ironically enough, not only am I about to write about the most obscure champion on this list, but I’m also picking the most obscure weight class in the organization I’m writing about. The WEC carved its niche with the smaller weight classes for a good reason: It had virtually no depth beyond lightweight. Hell, I’m still not entirely convinced that it ever had a true light-heavyweight division. Looking at all the middleweights who fought for the WEC at light-heavyweight back then, it’s almost like the promotion invented the “Rumbleweight” division before most of us knew who Anthony Johnson was.

The WEC light-heavyweight division was made up of guys like Lodune Sincaid, Brian Stann, Steve Cantwell and Tim McKenzie — all of whom are now competing at 185. Oh, and Doug Marshall, too. Remember him? If you were one of those “The WEC in its prime was better than the UFC” fans, you’ve probably repressed all memories that Marshall formerly held the light-heavyweight title for your precious World Extreme Cagefighting.

Doug Marshall was — and I can’t believe I’m about to type this — the minor league version of Tim Sylvia. He was a champion when the division was completely barren of anything resembling talent, winning the belt from Lodune Sincaid (who I almost went with, except Marshall winning was considered a minor upset), defending it against Justin McElfresh (?) and Ariel Gandulla (LOL), and then losing the belt to Brian Stann. Before you justify the loss to Stann with Captain America’s current success in the UFC middleweight division, keep in mind that Stann at this point was little more than a great story and a damn good cross. Stann was so green in the sport that he would go on to lose the belt to Steve Cantwell, of all people. When the UFC absorbed the WEC’s light-heavyweights, Doug Marshall was left behind.

Since getting snubbed by the UFC, Doug Marshall has (act surprised) dropped to middleweight, where he’s been little more than a can crusher. He has gone 6-3, yet his three losses come against guys you’ve actually heard of, most recently suffering a quick KO at the hands of Zelg Galesic at Super Fight League 3. Meanwhile, the WEC’s final Light-Heavyweight champion, Steve Cantwell, has lost five straight fights in the UFC. Such is life when you’re the worst of the best.

Nathan “The12ozCurls” Smith

Ya, I said it. Royce Gracie is the worst major MMA champion of all time. What are you gonna do? Big whoop – you want to fight about it?

I know what I am saying is blasphemy, but at least give me a cigarette and my last words before the firing squad unloads. I want to preface this by stating; without Royce there would absolutely NOT be the sport of MMA as we know it. I do appreciate his effort and skill within the BJJ community as well as the attention he brought to the sport. He was the real life David versus his Goliath competitors.

That being said, Royce was a complete and total DICK. He was the original Paul Harris but back in the day, we were all so enamored that a 175-pound man could annihilate much bigger dudes, it went unnoticed. So ladies and gentlemen of the jury I introduce to you:

Exhibit A – Royce Gracie vs. Jason Delucia (skip to the 0:55 mark of the bottom video)

This poor bastard got his arm broken in half even though he was tapping faster than a professional Track and Field arcade game competitor. Don’t give me any of this “The referee never stopped it” nonsense either. Royce knows what a tap is and he snapped it anyway.

Exhibit B – Royce Gracie vs. Gerard Gordeau (skip to the 5:30 mark of the top video)

This lucky guy knows he is defeated and taps in a gentlemanly fashion. Once the choke is not let go, you see Gordeau’s tap frequency increase to panic mode and then he begins to tap with both hands simultaneously as his death approaches. At least he was wearing awesome pajama pants.

Exhibit C – Royce Gracie vs. Ron Van Clief (skip to the 4:00 mark of the top video)

Mr. Van Clief was pulling a Social Security check when he took this fight and how did Royce treat his elder? By making Big John McCarthy scream repeatedly to release the choke after Ron tapped. Following the fight Van Clief was presumably sent to the glue factory.

Exhibit D – Royce Gracie vs. Dan Severn (skip to the 15:45 mark)

The real “Beast” was taking it to Royce during this contest. Unfortunately for Dan, he subscribes to the Chael Sonnen School of Triangle Defense. Once the choke is locked in, Severn gives his big awkward taps to say “Uncle.” Not so fast mustachioed one, as Royce kept the triangle locked tight until John McCarthy finally pried him off.

So, in closing ladies and gentlemen of the CP jury, I present to you the worst champion in MMA history, Royce Gracie. Not by his performance but rather with his classless actions during his performances. He is a highly skilled BJJ practitioner and a master of his craft but he is also a bloodthirsty animal who was not content with victory alone. He seemingly craved to injure his opponent after they had conceded. Having trained for decades, Royce knew what a tap meant and he didn’t care. Oh yeah, the jerk pulls hair too.

Ben Goldstein

In December 2006, fledgling MMA promotion Strikeforce decided to crown a light-heavyweight champion, despite their general lack of a light-heavyweight division. To fill the vacancy, Scott Coker grabbed the first two 205′ers he could find. One was Bobby Southworth, who had gained a bit of name-recognition on the first season of TUF; never mind that his major accomplishments on that show were calling Chris Leben a fatherless bastard and losing a decision to Stephan Bonnar. Southworth hadn’t won a fight in over three years, and his Strikeforce debut the previous June ended in no-contest due to freak accident (James Irvin). His opponent at Strikeforce: Triple Threat would be aging Lion’s Den product Vernon White, who was riding a two-fight losing streak, and had never competed under the Strikeforce banner. One of these men, honest to God, was about to become a Strikeforce World Title Holder.

Southworth wound up collecting the belt in that fight via decision, and while the title itself was rather meaningless, his title reign was even more forgettable. Southworth’s first defense was against Canadian journeyman Bill Mahood, who verbally submitted due to a rib injury after just 75 seconds, then tested positive for steroids. Southworth’s next challenge was late-replacement Anthony Ruiz; since Ruiz only had about three weeks to prepare for the fight, Strikeforce made it a non-title affair — which made things kind of awkward when Ruiz beat Southworth by TKO due a cut. Obviously, the two men had to run it back, and Southworth won the rematch by unanimous decision in an unwatchably dull five-rounder.

Southworth’s Cinderella-story ended in November 2008, when they finally matched him up with a fighter worthy of holding a belt — former UFC title contender Renato Sobral. Although Southworth put in a valiant effort against Sobral, the bout was stopped before the second frame due to a horrible gash above Bobby’s eye. A rematch was agreed to, but never materialized. Southworth has only competed once since that night, beating some dude in Australia back in 2010. An attempt to get back on The Ultimate Fighter didn’t pan out, which is probably for the best.

Josh Hutchinson

When I heard this week’s question a lot of people came to mind. I had never really sat back and thought about “bad” MMA champions before. Once I did, I realized, holy shit, there have been a lot of them. Although I was gifted with a list of possible candidates as long as the Nile River, my brain stubbornly clung to one specific individual: Brock Fucking Lesnar.

Let me set the scene for you. It was what turned out to be the extremely foul year of our lord 2007, and I heard a rumor that the UFC had contracted a former “professional” wrestler to mix up the heavyweight division. I had also heard that he had a good collegiate wrestling record to his credit. So I thought to myself, “what the hell”? There have been a lot of MMA fighters who have done pro wrestling, and at least he has a solid legitimate wrestling background. Then came the hype, and it never stopped.

Fast forward four months. By this time, I had seen pictures and video until my eyes bled of this supposed unstoppable force. Once I picked myself off the floor from a crippling case of hysterical laughter at the hands of a grown man willingly having a giant dick tattooed on his chest, I started to get mildly annoyed at the attention he was receiving. For fuck sakes the man had one professional MMA fight, and that was against Kim Min-Soo. If you’re not familiar with Mr. Min-Soo, allow me to elaborate. He is a 3-7 fighter, and was 2-5 when he fought Lesnar. On top of that, he has also actually lost to Bob Sapp legitimately. Luckily Frank Mir came along and submitted Lesnar in a minute and a half of the first round, thus successfully derailing what was clearly a bullshit hype-train to begin with. Wait…that didn’t happen.

Instead, they threw the former “golden boy” to heavyweight gatekeeper Heath Herring. That fight somehow warranted Lesnar worthy to fight the aging and undersized Randy Couture for the UFC heavyweight title. I’m either too drunk, too stupid, or too naïve at the lengths promoters will go too when hyping “the next big thing” to understand the logic here. But it happened. What followed was one more win in the vein of Lesnar’s “plow you over and hammerfist you the way I do my dick after viewing Carmen Valentina‘s website” style of fighting, in the form of a rematch win against Frank Mir. Although Shane Carwin exposed the extreme distaste Lesnar has for actually being punched in the face, Lesnar survived his title defense against “The Engineer of Pain” with his belt intact, but beat-down losses to Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem forced the phallically branded “athlete” back to scripted fights with an MMA record of 5-3.

I have neither the time, nor energy to look up the following, but I’m willing to bet that he is the only man in UFC history to get a title shot at 2-1, and the only “superstar” to retire at 5-3. That, ladies and gentlemen, is my argument for worst MMA champion of all time.

Ryan Sarr

“I just fucked your ass.” That was the t-shirt Tito Ortiz wore in the Octagon after his victory at UFC 18. It was also the night, as Tito says in his book, that Ortiz became the “Huntington Beach Bad Boy,” and he began his one-man destruction of the Lion’s Den camp. So, who was the unlucky soul whose ass was fucked by Tito Ortiz at UFC 18? Jerry Bohlander, my choice for the worst major MMA champion of all-time.

Jerry Bohlander walked into Ken Shamrock’s Lion’s Den gym in the early 1990s, submitted one of the best fighters in the gym, and was soon thrown into his first pro fight, which he won. In Bohlander’s second pro fight, and first UFC fight, Bohlander submitted Scott Ferrozzo, who outweighed Bohlander by almost 150 pounds. Bohlander went on to lose to Gary Goodridge later that night, but it was only one year later, in February 1997, that Jerry Bohlander would taste UFC tournament gold. Bohlander won the UFC Lightweight (under 200lbs) Tournament at UFC 12, and did so in under two minutes total fight time.

So, after all that success, you ask, why is Jerry Bohlander my choice for worst champion? Well, the night Bohlander won his tournament, he beat Rainy Martinez and Nick Sanzo. Martinez’s pro record? 0-2. Sanzo’s pro record? 1-1, with Sanzo’s only win coming earlier that night against Jackie Lee, who was making his pro debut. So, to become champion, Bohlander beat two completely irrelevant guys who were immediately forgotten in MMA history. Of Bohlander’s 11 career wins, only 3 of those came against opponents with winning records. The three fighters of note who Bohlander fought (Ortiz, Goodridge, Murilo Bustamante) all handily beat him. Granted, in the early days of the UFC the competition was slim, but Bohlander simply has no victories over relevant opponents.

While Bohlander may be the worst major MMA champion of all-time, that says nothing about him personally. After 9/11, he was inspired to become a police officer, and has been serving as a deputy for the Napa County Sheriff’s Office for close to ten years. Bohlander is on the SWAT team and works many dangerous cases. Apparently, Bohlander has two justified killings while on-duty: once shooting and killing a man charging him with a knife; and shooting and killing another suspect who was reaching in his waistband for a gun. So, while I may believe you are the worst major MMA champion of all-time, Jerry Bohlander, I salute you.

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cunninglinguist- June 29, 2012 at 8:16 am
I think you are being hard on Carlos. He could arguably have gotten the decision in the Hughes fight. Also, despite the rumours of a no strike agreement, you dont put on a grappling exibition with Saku like that if your Goku Jitsu is worthless.


I do however agree on Royce, in part because of the reasons you listed. But also because the Gracies tailored the first UFC´s for them to win. Marco Ruas should have been at UFC 1 but the Gracies all ducked him like the plague. They somehow always need special rules etc. Never been happier than seeing Saku take out Royce at his own game. And then Royce roided for the rematch.
JayJitsu310- June 29, 2012 at 5:11 pm
I agree, Ruas would have crushed Royce
myfeetcanttouch- May 26, 2012 at 10:44 am
when I hear worst champion first name that comes to mind is Lesnar. He was given one of the easier roads to a championship I can think of and was a complete tool. I will give him credit though his last 3 wins were legit and he was actually a great comeback story there for a while.
myfeetcanttouch- May 26, 2012 at 10:25 am
I will be honest and say I do train bjj under a Gracie banner so i might be a little biased, but I think 12oz only chose Royce to be contraversial. Listen to the commentary in those videos. Nobody knew anything about Jiu Jitsu back then, and all of those guys are complete arseholes besides maybe Severn until late in his career.
The12ozCurls- May 26, 2012 at 11:15 am
Guilty as charged.
Rhynomite- May 25, 2012 at 7:36 pm
funny how people still love to talk about Lesnar. he still did more and is still doing more than any of us on here. i dont think he cares. his fans care more about the trash talking.
Chromium- May 25, 2012 at 6:24 pm
If Royce Gracie held on too long to Gerard Gordeau, good on Royce. Gerard Gordeau is one of the biggest pieces of shit in the history of MMA and tried to claw out Gracie's eye in that fight (which was one of only two rules that has been in the UFC since its inception). Furthermore, Gordeau did successfully blind Yuki Nakai in one eye in a fight he still lost. Gordeau deserves no sympathy.
JayJitsu310- June 29, 2012 at 5:10 pm
He broke DeLucia's arm for insults received after he beat Delucia in his own gym and because DeLucia disrespected Gracie BJJ, and then had the balls to step into the octagon and fight Royce AGAIN,'nuff said. And it was the original UFC, not the watered down, modern point fighting version, he's lucky he didn't rape choked, or get elbowed into a living death like poor Orlando Viet
FightZen- May 25, 2012 at 12:20 pm
"In December *2011*, fledgling MMA promotion Strikeforce decided to crown a light-heavyweight champion, despite their general lack of a light-heavyweight division."

There ya go Benny... fixed it for ya!
KrmtDfrog- May 25, 2012 at 11:36 am
There's some good names tossed about here, like Bohlander, Southworth and Marshall, but Lesnar, Royce and Newton are terrible additions. Simply terrible, and the people who chose them should probably learn that not liking a particular fighter doesn't diminish their accomplishments.
Irishwolfhound491- May 25, 2012 at 11:03 am
Was going to leave a lengthy message about Newton and but Nomad covered it. Also I would blame Delucia's arm getting messed up on the ref, who was Big John I think. Yeah Delucia was tapping, but after that Shamrock debacle I don't blame him for not letting go, and Big John was lumbering around not paying attention, cause if he was he definitely would have seen Delucia fervent efforts at trying to submit. Also I don't really feel bad for Gordeau, dude was a dirty fighter and a douche. I don't really like Gracie (any of them to be exact) but I don't blame him for either of those.
rampage01- May 25, 2012 at 10:43 am
matt serra,probably the luckiest ufc champion.
mDino- May 25, 2012 at 10:18 am
and hey, hey, Kelly Crigger. Goku is the man!
NomadRip- May 25, 2012 at 9:49 am
And Carlos Newton beat Matt Hughes. Matt was out first, he just woke up first :-P
NomadRip- May 25, 2012 at 9:48 am
In Royce's defense (barely), Gordeau bit his ear, so he was pissed. He also had let Shamrock go from a choke when Ken tapped in an earlier fight, and the ref didn't see it. Ken started to say he didn't tap, but finally fessed up.

I forget if it was Royce who fought Jason Delucia in the Gracie gym pre-UFC. But Jason did go and accept the open Gracie challenge to fight one of them with no rules. He lost there too, and I don't remember if there was some kind of bad blood there or if Royce was just a dick :-)
JayJitsu310- June 29, 2012 at 5:18 pm
ALAS!!! omeone who actually knows pre-TUF history! Yes he beat him before, and yes, there was bad blood. Bas Rutten also punished him, and his liver, in a Pancrase fight, for being a disrepectful douche. Dude is an idiot, who doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut.
Kid Clam Curtains- May 25, 2012 at 9:27 am
Although I've got respect for Maurice Smith for being maybe the first pure striker to figure out how to beat a beast wrestler in the UFC, he's got to be on this list. The dude was 4-7 when he beat Coleman for the title. He has losses to Bas Ruten (twice), TK, Randy Couture, Kevin Randleman, Renzo Gracie, Babalu, Yoshida (and some other shitty japanese fighters). His only impressive victory in his career is a UD over Coleman...and maybe his first win over Marco Ruas. And this dude was the UFC champ.
Jugger- May 25, 2012 at 9:18 am
Mirko CroCop

I, for one, was not fooled when Mirko CroCop won the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix in 2006. When CroCop collapsed on the mat and wept, overjoyed at his crowning acheivement, I scoffed. True, CroCop beat Josh Barnett in the tournament final, but... Before I tell you who CroCop had to beat to make it to the final, let's first look at who whom Barnett had to beat.

Barnett was handed Kazuhiro Nakamura in the opening round. This was his only "gimme." Nakamura, a Yoshida protoge' and a true 185'er was no match for Barnett's size advantage. However, that would be last "gimme" Barnett would receive. His next fight would be against a still-prime Aleksander Emelianenko. The fight was barn-burner, but Barnett eventually got the fight to the mat in the second round and secured the submission win. Two months later, Barnett would fight a game Mark Hunt. (I was upset that Pride did not match up Mark Hunt with CroCop in the preliminaries in order to give CroCop a chance to avenge his 2005 loss to Hunt.) Again, Barnett would get the submission win. For his semi-final match, Barnett would get one of the greatest tests of his career: Big Nog. After a grueling 15 minute war of attrition, Which ended with Barnett cranking an impressive kneebar submission, Barnett would go on to eeke out a split decision win. (Again, I was upset that Pride did not match CroCop up with BigNog in order to give him a chance to avenge a previous loss.) After beating Big Nog, Barnett was given a few minutes to rest before re-entering the ring for his touney-final match against a fresh Mirko CroCop.

Now that we've seen the truly impressive victories Barnett acrued in order to make it the Pride OWGP finals, let look at CroCop's path to the final.

In the first round CroCop was given the Minowa Man. Yes, Minowa Man. Minowa was a true 185'er and more a circus show act than an actual fighter. Still, someone had to fight Minowa, so it might as well have been CroCop. But, for the second round, I was hoping CroCop would be given a bigger test. He was, but just barely. For the second round, CroCop was fed an aging and under-weight Hidehiko Yoshida. The fight was a lack-luster affair, with CroCop simply leg-kicked Yoshida for 7 minutes until Yoshida crumpled to the ground in agony. For his semi-final match, CroCop would be given yet another 185'er! Yes, CroCop was given none other than Wanderlei Silva for the Tourney semi-Final. Not suprisingly, CroCop blasted a gun-shy Silva into unconscienceness after about 5 minutes of nervous circling. CroCop rested in his dressing room while Barnett and Big Nog put on an intense 15 minute grappling clinic.


In their fight, a wearied and badly battered Josh Barnett did his best to muster enough energy to fight CroCop. But after the edge of CroCop's glove caught Barnett in the eye, Barnett tapped to strikes (impared vision) and CroCop was given his glorious belt. Everytime CroCop looks at that belt he can brag about beating three true-middleweight fighters and an exausted Barnett to win it. Yipee.
bitteralex- May 25, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I have to disagree with you. The circumstances of his win shouldn't play into naming him the worst champion in the world. Call it the luck of the draw if you will, but winning the GP shouldn't be marred by having an easier path to the final. I think you really need to look at his entire body of work to judge if he is a shit champion. He holds wins over some pretty big names in mma, such as barnett, Aleksander Emelianenko, Randleman and Coleman. He was second banana to the greatest fighter of all time. I mean, if he beat Fedor, and you didn't account for that fight, would you still consider him a shitty champion? (Not sure if that made sense).
When I first starting following mma in HS, I only really followed UFC to be honest. I knew of pride but didn't follow it, but I did know there was 1 guy in pride knocking the fuck outta people with a deadly leg kick. I had not even heard of Fedor at this point, but I knew Crocop.
Fletch the V Stretch- May 25, 2012 at 8:47 am
I am not sure who I think is the worst or most undeserving. I don't think Brock belongs on the list though. I can see everyone's point about Royce but not Brock. This is a case of where everyone just supports the guy who picked the guy they hate, myself included.

Brock won the title, beat 2 ex champs, one of which is fighting for yet another title on Saturday, and only had one fight in the UFC that was not against a total badass. Granted Brock is hated by many. To just one day say I am going to take up anything and become a champ deserves a little recognition to me. I hate Brock as well though.
RwilsonR- May 25, 2012 at 8:23 am
Really phoned in that contribution, huh Danga? What, did you send your two sentence entry in via text message?
Luckily, you got the right answer. Good job.
J. Jones- May 25, 2012 at 8:31 am
It's funny that you say that, because originally my piece was just the last two lines. Cheers.
Mofo- May 25, 2012 at 8:20 am
Yeah, you gotta see Royce in the actual context of the time, not compare his actions to how MMA is now. Back then it was not a sport, it was a very brutal competition with *almost* no rules. Enjoyed the read, enjoyed the vids, and enjoyed the controversial stance. But that's total BS, he was appropriate to the times. Still, it was entertaining BS.
The12ozCurls- May 25, 2012 at 8:29 am
Thanks for "getting" what I was going for Mofo - total tongue-in-cheek BS. Just stirring the pot, ya know.
Fletch the V Stretch- May 25, 2012 at 8:38 am
I don't know man. Call me an MMA noob but I have never liked Royce either. Always thought he was a douche and hated his snuggie type style. Just me. Sorry for all you extreme old school guys who love him but I am with 12 oz. Couldn't care less about the guy.
Viva Hate- May 25, 2012 at 8:13 am
First off, Nathan Smith is a dope, and I hereby call for a CagePotato ban on him for posting anything after that blasphemy, and Royce does not belong anywhere on this list when you don’t even mention Kenichi Yamamoto, Kevin Jackson, and Steve Jennum. Royce won numerous tournaments while these guys each only won one, had terrible career records, and someone won as alternates.
blackboxmma- May 25, 2012 at 8:13 am
Forrest Griffin is not good. I didnt think he even beat Page. Royce was from a different generation, it looked like it was an honor for the fighters to have their arm broken back then. Royce weighed what a light weight now ways.
dranokills- May 25, 2012 at 7:48 am
I believe Josh Hutchinson said exactly what I was thinking , hands down worse champ ever COCK Chestner!
second place Armfarmer with the TRUTH about Evan Tanner, only hes being nice. I think not only was Tanner a shitty champ he was a stupid human being and much like the darwin awards page, I am glad he took himself out of the genepool.
biggest loser award goes to: 12ozcurls. Royce was the greatest, just cause you didn't like aggressive mean Royce when there was no stigma or rules that said you couldn't pull the hair of a guy who had 100 pounds of muscle over you, or the fact that Royce held on to subs to long, makes you a pussy boy. Today we have Jon Jones who trys to crush heads with his elbows, and he knows its wrong. we have that paul harris guy who takes home a leg or 2 each year. We have champs who get pissed and hold subs way to long all the time...grow a set. Royce fought in time where being feared meant more than bowing at your opponent and being all honor like. get over it. Royce was the best.
JayJitsu310- June 29, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Can't get with you disrespecting Tanner as I personally knew him, and he was a little crazy, but had a heart of gold. But I agree with you completely on the nature of the original UFC, very surprised no one died, relieved, but surprised.
Fletch the V Stretch- May 25, 2012 at 8:32 am
Would have to disagree with you 100%. Sorry. While what Royce did was impressive given the no weight limit, the guy was a total douche. He was Paul Harris before Paul Harris was Paul Harris.
RearNakedSpoon- May 25, 2012 at 7:44 am
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with The12ozCurls. Not that Royce isn't a DICK but using his history of holding onto submissions as evidence. Back in those days people where very unfamiliar with BJJ and tapping out (even the Ref's), if he let go without making it 200% clear that he had won then bullshit would and had ensued. Holding submissions now is uncalled for but back then with more open rules, a stand up and reset after having a dominant position and a submission locked in would have been much worse.
Brock gets my vote though, all the dick and none of the talent or heart.
Fletch the V Stretch- May 25, 2012 at 8:42 am
LOL, refs were unfamiliar with tapping out? Have you seen the fights? I am pretty sure a double handed slap on the mat at the speed of light over and over is univeral for I GIVE THE FUCK UP. LOL. I don't think there would have been any continuation I think the guys would have been like thank god this maniac is off me.
AceCondor- May 25, 2012 at 7:44 am
Seriously? Royce Gracie is on this list? That's some serious BS right there. I stopped reading at that point.
DangadaDang- May 25, 2012 at 7:37 am
Let that be a lesson to you, Goldstein. Attempting to add "facts" to my entries will only further your troubles.
bgoldstein- May 25, 2012 at 7:31 am
@knucklesamitch: Ugh, typo...thanks for the heads-up.
knucklesamitch- May 25, 2012 at 7:25 am
Menne won the title in 2001, not 2011.
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