I don't know why the UFC or anyone would want a fading anyone, much less cro-crop, so do I think cro-crop cares, no, but should anyone else care but fanboys? So all you fanboys go ahead and care meanwhile REAL MMA and real meaningful shit will take place with or without your dumbasses watching. I think the sport would be better off if jack offs like cro crop fanboy didn't watch...just go follow your loser hero and leave the big boy stuff to us..bye now.

Is it really that hard to see people???

Cro Cop already has his name in MMA. He might be on the downslide but he wants to fight the best. Would the easiest road be to go through a constantly improving UFC HW division in route to people you dont match up well against, or ride your established name in a weaker outfit that has better potential of matching you with the # 1 HW in the world (Fedor)???

Do you think a fading CC gives a fuck about DW or the UFC at this point in his career?

Did Randy?

Does Fedor?

...Chew on that a while and let me know if you taste it.

The verbal contract is as good as the paper it's written on. You can't spare the jet ride to Europe and you want to seal a deal over the phone that's fine.. you then immediately follow it up with a FAX and get a signature... then follow that up with a mailed contract and get a wet signature.

'Binnis 101. DW should have known WAAAAAY better.

1 report stating this indeed is not true.

This would be great news for the cut rate journalist AIDSriel Helwanu. He would have a reason tto stop crying in his parent's basement and wishing crocop to have a 3 fight losing streak waaa waa waaa lmao.

Dont know why people are saying Cro Cop looked average in that fight, I think he looked pretty damn good. Albeit the fact that Al-Turk is a shithouse fighter, Cro Cops parrying and dodging was excellent and when he finally did throw a flurry of punches, he hit the mark with almost every shot, rocked Al-Turk and could have easily finished the fight when he went to the ground. As for the eye poke, Al-Turk was at the extent of Mirkos reach and Cro Cops hand kind of rolled back, so it couldnt have been too deep.

CroCop had a hard enough time with A.T, against any other heavyweight ( cept Tim "how the mighty have fallen" Silvia ) he would have got his ass kicked.Let him go back to Dream and pretend that he is something special,he has officially CroCop kicked himself in the head on this one.

well looks like the tail came back to whip white finally lmfao.. White said he was never going anywhere before and they only retaioned him to help destroy pride.

Crocop didn't look good at all mind you but congrats on getting played Dana.

@ UFC fan

Thats a nice fucking essay you got there? Whos gonna read it?

If you think Dana White didn't know about the Dream contract, then you are as brain dead as the rest of the fucking douche bags who shit all over this site.

Dana's not that fucking retarded to get fooled like that.

Moron

if people, in this world full of lies and deception, were true to their word would say what they mean and do what they say, probably this post wouldn't exist. Most likely Cro-cop and Dana lied, we are fools to take sides and to trust in men.

This is Like the time when Ravishing Rick Rude appeared on the taped version of WWF Raw on Monday and was also on the Live show of WCW Nitro on the same night.

I was going to go on a long well-thought rant and describe how I feel, but I think I can just sum it all up in two words: Fuck Mirko.

I've been hearing a lot of conflicting reports about this.

I want my money back, UFC 99 was the worst mma ppv ever.
Been a UFC fan since 1996, there have been some glitches along the way but, this was the worst ppv evah. Strikeforce and WEC last week were stellar compared to this show.

@Cathedron

Dude, all you have to do is look at your typical UFC contract to see how badly the guys get fucked. They get signed to fight however many fights, but should they not perform to whatever standard Dana wants, they get dropped like a fly.

I mean really, look at this whole image thing. Where they have the fighters sign away their image to the UFC to use exclusively and indefinitely. Literally selling your soul to the devil, how else do you think guys like Tim Sylvia, Tito Ortiz + Andre Arlovski ended up in UFC Undisputed 2009.

Look at guys like Anderson Silva or Frank Mir, your average UFC Champion, and compare their salary with someone like Manny Pacquiao or Wladimir Klitschko, guys who can literally earn millions per fight.

The UFC is a joke (yet successful) as a organisation, they are unloyal to their fighters who put it all on the line for them, and yet pudgey Dana White has the balls to talk about "having what it takes to be a fighter" He wouldn't know what it takes to be a fighter if it literally hit him in the face, ever since his boxing days, he has always been a promoter or manager and never inside the ring/cage.

You know I find people who think just because I happen to be a Fan of the greatest MMA organization in the world...which happens to be UFC.....that I am somehow NOT a fan of all MMA. I find these kind of morons to be well...morons!
Because I no longer embrace old fighters past their prime or suck the nuts of fedor I am somehow passed as having any knowledge of the existence of lesser company's and the lesser fighters that are part of each company.
But the truth is I am hyper aware of them, and I am also able to step away from it all (unlike the fanatic nuthuggers that dwell herein -like Kazi for example) and see the truth, and the big picture.
Much like AA and AAA farm teams are very good, they are but places to gain skills slowly so that ONE day you can be called up to the " bigs", and regardless of what the Dana haters and the fedor cocksuckers think or preach,UFC is the "bigs", and all those "ex-UFC fighters" are being announced as that in these little minor leagues cause even they know that the UFC name is a draw. they also know that these fighters are to old, or simply do not have the skill level to fight in the "BIGS".
So anyone who thinks a strick UFC fan is an ignorant fan is an un intelligent person who doesn't have all the facts and is embittered sad and pitiful person who trys hard to live a lie that someday these minor leagues will topple the "bigs" OWN them, and show the world that they are the superior brand, and that Dana White and Zuffa somehow are the anti-christ....but that is only because that kinda fan lives in his or her own little pipe dream world ( again much like kazi), while those small companys are fully aware they are second rate.
When all fans learn to pay full attention to the fact that the UFC is a growing business in the world market and NOT a bleeding, dying freakshow like others the better off MMA will be.
Every fighter from every gym around the world that is legit knows that their goal is to get their fighter trained enough to one day make it to the biggest stage of all instead of settling for tapout season whatever, fighting at the local rodeo arena for chump change.
Good luck Kazi with your fantasy-league,I hope you still think I sound like an idiot, cause I still see a nutsack in your mouth, and in your future.

It was an uninteresting match with no relevance in standings or title contention, so eh... who cares. I know the UFC makes a lot of money, but regardless... why keep throwing huge paydays at aging fighters who're putting together strings of losses? Names put asses in seats and the dollar is the bottom line, but I'd rather watch two hungry and unknown fighters in a great match than have to hear about the politics of working with these older guys. That's what the money does, though. Makes them comfortable and demanding. Good luck, Cro cop. I wasn't going to watch anyway.

I say who gives a fuck who fucked who, so long as we don't have to see this chump CroCop in the UFC again. He was going to lose to AL-Turk and knew it, and took the chumps way out with an eyepoke. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

kimbo nailed it. look how cro cop fought.... super cautious. Cro Cop has been in the game long enough, and he knows he's in his last years..... This isn't the time to make rash decisions. The fact that he turned down any serious fights in favour of al-turk is a big giveaway. If he ever fights Fedor, it will most likely be his last fight. This reeks of setup. no need to bring up the grassy knoll, because all signs point to this. dana ran into a shit ton of trouble with german press, so he signed up cro cop for a 1 fight deal to fill the arena and get a couple more ppv buys..... bah, i won't rehash what's already been said, but i do wanna throw my 2 cent's into kimbos bread's hat.

@ UFC fan

touche', you've out-witted me again. btw, you still didn't answer my question.

In my opinion, people that tend to be UFC fans as opposed to general MMA fans are idiots. I'm not saying all people who enjoy UFC fights are idiots, but people that think UFC = MMA seem to be a little dumber than the average human.

Great Thinking Cro Cop! Burn your bridges with Zuffa. The UFC is here to stay, Dream, Affliction and Strikeforce could all be gone next week. Its not like the UFC needs Cro Cop anyways, he will eventually need the UFC.

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@ UFC fan

As I've asked 2 times before..do you always sounds like an idiot?"

and as I have asked you already ,do you always talk with balls in your mouth?

ask your stupid question again ballboy.

Prior to the event, DW himself said he offered Cro Cop a one-off fight. Now post-fight it's three? I don't know what the real deal is, but it doesn't matter to me either, save the fact I'll see one less good striker in the UFC.

Sure, jiu jitsu's a big part of any good fighter's mma game nowadays, but after a bunch of fights last night, is it too much to hope for one damn good KO on a card?

Velasquez won his match, and yes he controlled the fight, but Kongo impressed me more than Cain did. Cain couldn't finish or submit Kongo, and he had tons of chances. Kongo took a relative beating and didn't give up. Anytime Kongo got distance from Cain he fared well. His corner should've had him more prepared at sidestepping and countering the clutch and grab. IMO, Velasquez's stock went down in that fight.

Uno should've got the decision, and Hardy's was a fair call.

Cro Cop clearly poked him in the eye, but if anyone's to blame, it should've been the referee for inaction. The ref should've given Al-Turk the time and space to compose himself and let the fight continue. Cro Cop would make more money overseas, and I'd do the same thing if I were him. DW shouid've offered a three fight deal, and not a one fight/more if you win type deal, things may have turned out different. DW used Cro Cop to sell tickets for one event, Cro Cop is looking out for his future. I get both individuals were used in their own respects. It's over.

Dana's a businesman, and Cro Cop's a fighter, each thinks differently. There's been no response from Cro Cop or his camp, so we only have DW's side of things for the moment. It's a little soon and I think wrong to be hating on Cro Cop.

I had to tolerate BJ jumping a weight class to fight GSP, all while screwing Florian and the other lightweights. Wanderlei can lose fight after fight and not get cut, while other fighters perform poorly in a couple fights and he cuts them for "seasoning". I haven't heard of fighter's getting cuts or percentages of the UFC game for using their likeneses, yet Fitch gets cut for looking out for himself. Sure, he was brought back, but I've no doubt there were ulterior motives by DW for that too. I don't know both sides to the story, but I know DW"s not squeaky clean too. Good businesmen have to be unscrupulous at times, but they shouldn't expect pity and compassion the second they are the ones on the short end of the stick.

@ Zescape

Shut the fuck up with your stupid conspiracy theory bullshit. This is a MMA website.

As for all of you Dana White haters, you look like real tools, considering every fucking one of you has bought at least one Pay-Per-View of UFC. "Fuck Dana!! It's what he deserves!1!!11"..Come on. He puts on the shows that you guys like to watch.

As for Cro Cop, what a bitch move. To me, your word is your balls...Oh wait, Cro Cop hasn't had balls ever since he fought Overeem. So I should've seen some bitch-made move like this coming.

@ UFC fan

As I've asked 2 times before..do you always sounds like an idiot?

Dana is that you? it is you isn't it?

don't be hating on cro cop he's richer, has done more in mma than you, is better and i'll repeat the last one but add life to it.

Does anybody else think its weird to insult someone through another person's achievements? like an over competitive parent pushing their child into overly serious sporting events...

fuck all you dana bashers you don't know your ass from your elbow, keep beating your meat over it all it won't get you anywhere, and he will be richer, better, and have a better life than all you losers, so type away ,show us what you got LOSERS.

It is obvious that kimbo's bread is a conspiracy theorist nut and his point is no longer valid due to insanity and brain damage. It is also obvious that dumbasses like sheps,ironCLOD,bleve,darkside,fucklord, and cookie monster are all idiots who don't know jack shit about UFC or how business works or who has made it worked while others have failed. It is also obvious these numbnuts are jealous as hell of Dana Whites power , freedom, and money. You gents have NO validity as well, you are just bitter pussy's with no life.
Zescape you are an even BIGGER freak than Kimbo's bread, you need help, and long named medicines, you are fucked up in the head. I know it isn't nice to torment the mentally retarded but seriously who let you out of your rubber room?

as for cro-crop, he should have never been brought back, I knew it was bad idea, he isn't close to being a UFC caliber fighter...never fucking was, and I hate that his loser fanbase was allowed to mingle with smart UFC fans it has diluted the waters.
He is scum caused he lied to Dana White, cro-crop is scum cause he is a 3rd world monkey, and that is just how it is. No amount of money turns trash into gold.

Good for Mirko, he's doing what he wants, DW is pissed because he got the treatment that he usually gives his fighters. I mean, with the whole Chuck Liddell thing of not releasing him from his contract but not giving him any more fights, therefore, forcing him into retirement would most likely have been the outcome after the Al-Turk fight if Cro Cop had lost.

I didn't think much of that fight, Cro Cop couldn't have looked more disinterested, he stuffed any take down attempts like they were nothing but didnt seem too energetic in his attack. Then, the fight ends with an eye poke and no referee involvement, unsatisfying fight but legendary "fuck you" to DW, which is always nice.

I as all of you would have loved to see cro cop go on in the ufc and fight his next two fights! Looks like Dana would have given him a shot at the tital after one more win! So thats sad!
The good part is now Dana knows what its like to get fucked in the ass! just like he fucks all the wec fighters in the ass just because there lighter!

lol dana got owned how does it feels bitch.

Sneaky fookin Russian, I mean Croatian.

How exactly has Dana fucked over soooo many people? Have YOU ever negotiated a contract with him? Neither have I. You really don't know what goes on when they negotiate contracts or let someone go. Some of you just assume the worst because you find Dana abrasive. Someone being annoying doesn't make them dishonest. You think Coker hasn't dropped contracts in Strikeforce? You think there aren't any fighters who feel screwed over by him? He's a nice guy, but it's impossible to make everyone happy. He's just had fewer complaints because he runs a smaller company.

Yeah, some fighters get dropped. That happens all the time IN EVERY ORGANIZATION. Do you like seeing guys get the shit kicked out of them because they can't hang at the upper levels? Some fighters need to drop back down in competition or they'll get killed. Some of these guys just aren't good enough, but they do better by fighting lesser competition and looking like a badass (about half of Strikeforce, non-heavyweights in Affliction, most of the non-asians in Dream, etc). Wouldn't you rather see them fighting guys who they are equal to rather than getting their faces smashed in over and over?

You're also assuming (like idiots often do) that everyone who leaves the UFC leaves on bad terms. MOST fighters leave the UFC with the intention to come back at some point if they can get a few more wins under their belt. Only a few have any kind of bad blood. Cro Cop and Tito probly won't be back (probably), but think of all the other fighers who have been in the UFC and come back. The list is endless.

Even if Dana kept every fighter contract till the end of time (and UFC fights all sucked because of the dead weight - which is what you all want), how would that justify Cro Cop lying through his teeth about wanting to run for the title in the UFC knowing he was only going for one fight? Yeah, the UFC got a little attention and Cro Cop got his tune up fight, so it's not the worst thing ever, but that's pretty much the last straw for me with Cro Cop. He can go on to take a bunch of easy freakshow fights in Japan. Obviously, Cro Cop knows that's all he's capable of or he would have signed with Affliction for millions and a shot at Barnett and Fedor (you know they would take him in a heartbeat).

Dana will allow big names with little relevance except name nostalgia have one fight deals. He did not care that Royce would go on to another org because its known most fighters at his weight in the UFC would handle him. The same goes for Cro Cop, hes got name recognition but in the grand scheme of things, he sucks balls.

CroCop was winning the fight anyway. Seems to me like Crocop was getting DW back for something. Maybe Fedor paid Crocop to punk DW......He deserves it. Plus, who makes deals over the phone? DW should get fired, really. Bring in the T-shirt guy, lol!

Finaly Dana gets a taste of his own medicine, the guy is a fucking joke. Who is he to talk about what a dick Cro Cop is for doing that when he signs fighters up for things like 5 fight contracts then releases them if they loose the first fight.

Dana can really go fuck himself, Cro-Cop is a damn veteran and legend of the sport, I'm glad he had the balls to stick Dana's shit back in his own face.

Good on Mirko!

I love when you guys rip on Dana White... Im curious as to one person he has really screwed... Tito wanted to be a movie star, Randy wanted more money... more than everyone in the ufc, Liddell is a good friend of his and if he didnt give a shit about him he would let him get rocked 4 more times... Dana White is the reason CagePotato.com even exist...

CroCop, what a joke. He was poking at Al-Turks eyes the whole time, throwing open hand punches. He was done a LONG time before this fight, now he really is over. He will never fight in the UFC again, and if he wins another fight, I would be surprised. Then again, I imagine in Japan he could probably win a work................................probably.

What's all the fuss about? Everybody got what they wanted.

Cro cop got an easy win in front of an international audience. Dana got half of Croatia to buy the cheap seats at UFC 99. Win, win for everybody.

If you saw the pre fight lead up, Cro cop could barely say 'HW title run' with a straight face. This aint Pride. The rules, the octagon, and the super sized wrestlers who can hit all guaranteed that Mirko was in for another bumpy ride in the UFC.

Dana will get over it, I'm sure.

theres a few match ups i would've liked to see with cro cop in the UFC a gonzaga rematch maybe dos santos, but just as many outside, plus dream has knees on the ground automatically making it 5 times cooler than the UFC. as a striker I'm guessing he didn't want to get wrestled to death in the UFC heavyweight wrestling division.

haha DW is finding out that karma is a bitch. Fuck him and im glad Cro Cop did fuck him. Fuck crop cop too, he's a punk bitch whod get the shit kicked out of him had he fought a contender like Cain , Carwin or Gonzaga. Crop cop wont accept fights against possible threats.

And the Marcus Davis VS Dan Hardy call was complete fucking bullshit. Marcus won that fight, regardless if he was cut, he controlled more of that fight, landed more shots and got all of the take downs. Rematch.

Also, whats with Spencer Fisher pulling of a Unanimous decision. Are these judges high on PCP? Honestly, Caol Uno won it, and should have won by split decision.

Whats with all the forcing guys to their feet when they are working actively from the guard? Total shit, the only fight they actually let guys work from the ground was the Cain vs Kongo fight(which was great watching all the dip shit Kongo fans loose their mind cuse they had NO idea who Cain was, just fucking awesome)

Im excited to see Wanderlei Silva (dont say wandy, you look and sound like a retard) take a couple at 185. He's pretty much done with fighting, at least at the UFC caliber but he's still got ferocity left in those hands and feet of his. He's a legend, I was pulling for him every second. He's still the toughest scariest guy in my eyes.

As for Rich, well homey is gonna get trapped in the 205 division with no were to go, offers no threat to Machida and there's a hand full of other dudes that will crush his path to title contention

Look, props to DW for being a ruthless businessman. This is the most powerful dude in MMA, and he had the power to create the terms of Cro Cop's employment through the contract. DW can't whine about an implied oral agreement. He gave Cro Cop a one shot contract. Cro Cop performed his obligations, won the fight, and brought in fans (you see all those red and white checkered flags?). End of story.

The real question is why can't Fedor get a one fight contract? Business reasons, which we all understand (a Fedor win diminishes the marketability of UFC heavyweights, increases Fedor's US profile, and gives a boost to the competing promotion in which Fedor subsequently fights). In a related story, why can't Lidell fight again? Because the face of MMA getting KTFO'd repeatedly is bad for business, especially with the legality of MMA on the ballot in multiple states.

Can't hate a guy for relying on business sense when running a business. By the same token, he can't complain if the fighters protect their own interests and do what's best for their families.

Whether the whole thing is hype or not, Cro Cop's UFC legacy is secured. Provided a highlight reel headkick from Gonzaga and win facilitated by eyepoke. Now, I know that the UFC isn't the world's MMA, but as far as casua or U.S. only fans know, that's all he's done. Shame, too because he had some awesome Pride fights.

Why does anybody care if Dana got screwed. I agree with 'kimbo's bread', it's all hype.

Crocop's stated goals when he came back was not to beat people in the UFC but to shut up those that were doubting him... mainly Oveream, and I guarantee you he's looking for a rematch with Fedor, which will pay far higher anywhere else than the UFC.

UFC kool-aid drinkers...

Fucklord is obviously a troll or blind because an eye poke does not constitute domination moron.

karma's a bitch, eh Dana?

Fact is he dominated Al Turk and there is nothing left for him in the UFC division. He's conquered that mountain and is moving on

Bottom line is, Cro Cop has a limited shelf-life and he knows this. Where is he going to make the most bank-Japan. He has a larger fan base and can make more money there. Anyone else would do it too if it came down to securing your future financially as you approach the twilight of your career.

@Kimbos Bread

I am not going to debate conspiracy theories with you on an MMA website. I do not believe that Dana knew Cro Cop was going to leave if he did know why in the hell is he making such a big deal out of it? He gave Royce Gracie a one fight deal and never accused Royce of backing out of some other made up deal. It makes no sense for Dana to lie about this or for Cro Cop to go along with it. Cro Cop lost a lot of fans by saying he wanted to fight the best the UFC has to offer and then going to Japan to fight cans. Personally I dont care about Cro Cop he will never again be able to hang with the UFC's best, hell I dont think he could handle Kongo again let alone Lesnar. You just go ahead and keep hating on Dana White I am sure it makes you popular with the rest of the Japan MMA fanboys.

Oh, and anyone who believes what the government tells them about the Kennedy assassination, the moon landing, 9/11, the non-existence of UFOs, etc just isn't paying attention.

are we all really worrying about dana getting screwed over? he screws people left and right every day. dana didn't even really get screwed if you think about it. so what he lost an over the hill unmarketable (in the US) old man? who the hell was he gonna fight after mostafa? if he fought cain he would have gotten taken down and man handled. if he fought carwin he would get picked up and slammed through the canvas and then get his face pounded in by the carwin sledgehammers. i think kongo could beat him again too. i bet at this point, even hardonk could outstrike crocopper. so what the hell is dana pissed about? stop throwing a fit. you have the best pool of fighters in the world bar none. the real loser is mirko. where is his career going to go after these DREAM fights? this is business in 2009 motherfuckers, if you don't sign a contract, don't whine about being screwed ya douche.

@Kadumel

Shooter in the grassy knoll or not, anybody who thinks there was one shooter would be a really BIG fucking moron.

I'm not surprised you think there was one shooter, or that Cro Cop would stick around.

Aaaawwwwww... Poor Dana White.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Way to stick it to the man Cro-Cop!

Lets just hope Alistair turns his nuts into guacamole next time. Surgery won't even be able to save them.

Either way, whoever is in the wrong, CroCop wasnt impressive out there. I agree with the people who say it was to bring in european fans and whatnot. But I do believe Dana got fucked over.

Ok first off Kimbos Bread is a fucking moron. Do you think there was a shooter on the grassy knoll as well? All of you idiots that are agreeing with Junk Puncher need to remember that there is a difference in Dana cutting a fighter for losing two in a row and Cro Cop verbally agreeing to a three fight deal and then bailing after on fight. Dana usually tells the fighters that get cut to win a few and they can come back, Cro Cop never had any intention of ever fighting the three fights his deal with Dream was signed before the UFC fight according to Yahoo Sports. And you can bet your ass there will be a lawsuit because of this and if Mirko verbally agreed to anything he will spend more money defending the lawsuit from the UFC than he will make in Dream.

I agree with Junk Puncher 100%. In addition, DW knew he needed to bring in a popular Euro fighter to help the ticket sales in Germany. Cro-Cop was the man for the job - regardless of his shitty performance.

People people people...


This isn't what it looks like! Dana and Cro Cop had obviously, already agreed that Cro Cop would just fight Turk, then go to Dream. This whole fiasco has been fabricated by Dana to make it look like they don't do one fight deals. They chose to take this one time deal because they needed Cro Cops influence on the German card (because of his popularity in Europe). Cro Cops presence was necessary to win German fans (even if it was for one fight).

Dana tries to cover for it by saying that it was an over the phone deal that went wrong. This was all pre-arranged with him.

DW is full of shit saying he "needed him to fight Cain." He won't have had Cro-cop fighting Cain coming off of a row of loses.

Also, "honor" seems like a one-way street in the fight business. Fighters are always getting screwed on the business end. I just don't see DW as a victim here...he needed Cro-cop to help draw a crowd in Europe and that got done.

It's hard to feel bad for Dana on this one. He knows that having it all in writing is all that matters. And who cares, Cro Cop is over anyway. He cant compete at UFC level.

they should just shit-can this whole mma thing.

The UFC got what it most needed from Cro Cop: an injection of interest in the European card. I would hardly call that Cro Cop [expletiving] Dana White.

Hahaha that's horrible. Then again, Dana White kinda deserves this for screwing all his fighters over with their Undisputed contracts.

And who hasn't Dana screwed? If Cro Cop had lost to Al-Turk, does anyone believe that Cro Cop would fight two more times in the UFC?