Dan Henderson Says Goodbye to the UFC, Hello to Strikeforce?

atleast Mousasi gets a legitimate opponent if Hendo does decide to go to Strikeforce

UFC / Dana White dont want Hendo to fight Anderson Silva is the only reason they dont give him the money. they want Anderson Silva to be P4P 1 fighter if he loses to Hendo Guess what? Puts FEDOR P4P again.

"he is a middle of the road curtain puller," you are smoking crack my friend. He may not sell as many ppv's as they thought or he thought, but the dude is still arguably a top 10 fighter in 2 weight classes. I would have loved to see Hendo and Silva again or Hendo and Marquardt.

Hendo Vs. Marquadt would have been good, as would a re-match with Silva (anderson, not Wanderlei). I'm mostly suprised that Dana seems quite amicable about him going to Dream. I give that about 3 days before Dana starts talking about him being a pussy and not wanting to fight Nate or Anderson.

And yeah "middle of the road..." What the fuck are you on about? Do you care to list the top tier middleweights you think are capable of just walking through Dan Henderson without breaking a sweat? I'd like to know.

Hendo tries to fly ends up punching bisping in the face instead.

It's a shame Dana just threw up his hands. Hendo may not be in the top five in terms of drawing power, but he is worth some money, particularly to pop a buyrate for a fight with Silva. Considering the kind of person he is, I can't imagine he was putting forth an astronomical figure.

The UFC has completely branded Mixed Martial Arts in the eyes of the mainstream, and try as they might Strikeforce faces a tremendous uphill battle (and probably won't survive in the long run). But what Dana and others need to realize is that there's a point where you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. You can let a promotion pay a guy more money than you're willing to pay, but that also means you lose the money that person could pull in.

Mex no one said they wouldn't watch him fight in some second rate organization fighting people who couldn't make it in the UFC, we just said he was dumb for thinking he was worth that kinda money in the UFC.
If anyone has a pantie-bunch it is you.
I have no doubt that Hendo will go to strikeforce or somewhere else, and I am sure that little organization will pay waaaaay to fucking much money to him and fail on the PPV and not make money while Hendo gets rich, and most likely some lame fucking belt that doesn't mean shit.
The problem is if all he wants is money then this is a great move for him, but if he wants to compete this is an epic fail for Henderson PERIOD.

Sounds like both sides may be posturing a bit. It all really depends on what Strikeforce can or is willing to offer Hendo. Something tells The UFC and Hendo will come to terms when all is said and done.

wtf?!?
fail

haha wyatt nailed it they can't have real fighters getting in the way of their hypemachine. with hendo gone they can bring in 6 to 10 TUF bums for the same price and still have money left over to hype the retards into thinking they're just as good as hendo.

wow! this is crazy first rampage now hendo, I know hendo wants that Silva rematch and i don't know if his price will be matched elsewhere so I'm not so sure he's gone yet, hes the #2 guy in the MW division and top 10 in the organization seems crazy the cheap fucks wouldn't resign him, but then again doesn't really surprise me.

"Joedirt Says:
Fri, 10/16/2009 - 19:40

UFC Fan... you say Hendo isn't worth what he is asking... do you know how much that is? You should google what the UFC pays.... These fighters don't make much... actually they make the same as when the UFC was in money trouble in 2004. The UFC has since grabbed TV contracts, larger sponsors, tripled what they were making in ppv and gate money... they have rights to fighters sponsors now as well and yet they pay the same as they were then."

Of course I don't know what he is asking, or what UFC offered, it isn't my business, nor is it yours.
I do not believe for a second that they are making what they made in 2004, that is just talk.
What the UFC makes , and what deals they make with cable or TC or large sponsors is NONE of yours, mine or even the fighters business, at the end of the day it is a business it isn't a business with a labor union, or some stupid run program like the NBA where the players salary is over the top and growing each year built on hype and bullshit, these fighters are making more money than any normal job in America, and unlike NBA or NFL or even boxing they are not going to be injured so bad they cant do anything else the rest of their lives. And some of them have made enough to get rich and retire by the time they are 40, so no way do I feel sad for the money they make. And if they are smart they can make even more money in the UFC in promotions departments. The fact is fighters come along every year, no one is worth enough to hijack the company. The company is the most important part, without the UFC these guys would be semi -employed fighting in back alleys, cause UFC has made MMA, Not the fighters.
As good as GSP is it is still all about UFC , and he is smart enough to know it.
Hendo feels he is worth more than UFC is offering, he is crazy and full of shit, just like you are. It is a business and Hendo is a cog in the wheel, he can be replaced.

I'm just Sad I don't get to see Hendo v Marquadt :'(

So if Dana let Hendo fight Silva, and Hendo won... well we'd have an old man who'd probably retire as champion thus throwing the middleweight division into mediocrity again.

Silva v. Belfort should be fun... Marquardt v. wait... what? Who the hell is fighting Marquardt? Is anyone else noticing this?

Screw the Mousassi Posse/bandwagon jumpers! Ooooh, he KO'd Babalu! I hope Sokoojew kicks his asss, and them punches the referee for interering with a good ol African brain-letting!

The only contender in the UFC M-Weight Division is Nate, and Dana knows it.

Bye Hendo! You legitimately earned the right to spend the rest of your years giving back-rubs to fine-assed women - on yachts, no less - for the your life by shutting up TUF's most rediculously over-rated fighter ever (sorry Forrest... though you do get the best Hallowe'en costume award, so you've got that going for you ... which is nice). Time to back down and let the big boys have their dinner.

and moussasi is good just not top ten lhw good, people have off days and bad training camps all the time so him beating babalu isnt convincing me hes a top ten lhw.

It's always great to see the deeper insight comments..

"Hendo is a decent PPV buy"...

Actually he was on Team USA and his buy rate was lousy.. USA USA..lol

"UFC / Dana White don't want Hendo to fight Anderson Silva is the only reason they don't give him the money. they want Anderson Silva to be P4P 1 fighter"

As my 3 year old nephew says...

You are Retarding me.

Watch the fight again while you don't have the crack pipe lodged in your mouth.. Hendo got owned by Anderson, the second fight would only lead to immoral consequences on a cold Henderson.

"Hendo is a nice guy"..

sure he is.. a guy that owns some of the best cheap shots on record.. yup definitely a nice guy.

Look at the picture at the top of the page.. a recoiled Bisping all clenched and out with a clear eyed Hendo still cocking back not at full stretch.. he then took another second to clobber a prone Bisping. How many nice people shoot the other in the back.. punch a girl.. or hit a man when he is down.

Bisping talked smack to generate traffic to his fights, but Hendo has lost a good deal with his habitual late strikes.

If you haven't seen it then you should go back and learn what long-term fans know...

"Hendo is a top 10 in 2 weight classes"

The 185 weight class is so weak that they chased Belfort for half a year to try to get Anderson a real fight.. personally I hate Anderson and even I can admit that... Nate & Dan would at best tickle his butt hole, hence Hendo ain't worth what he thinks of himself in his own over inflated expansive skull.

In the 205 category he is definitely not in the top 10 he would have a hard time with Bobalu let alone a guy like Mousassi, Mo Lawal, etc.. the UFC is even a worse nightmare for him..

Rampage the running movie chicken made him look silly.. Machida and most of the top 5 would hospitalize his old ass, indefinitely.

"Middle of the road wtfu talking about?"

Middle of the road is higher than they were suggesting without the rose coloured USA glasses.

If you are not from USA and rate Hendo raise your hand...

"As long as Hendo has game opponents put in front of him and we can watch it on TV who gives a good goddamn which org he's fighting for?"

Spot on....

"You should google what the UFC pays.... These fighters don't make much... "

You clearly missed all the reports where Dana says they don't claim as much as they pay.. they are a private organization and don't have to declare anything but for gambling purposes they have always stated they keep the ratios close.

So what you see reported is not what they pay fighters.. that is their base rate.. the UFC has always stated they pay above and beyond that rate.. and not one fighter to date has ever stated that was not fact.. not one.. and I have been watching intently since the beginning.

Guess you must have missed the million statements reiterating that position.

They don't release pay rates because of competition..

did I hear an ooops shower scene?

"with hendo gone they can bring in 6 to 10 TUF bums for the same price and still have money left over to hype the retards into thinking they're just as good as hendo."

They can bring in fresh bums and be more profitable.. because none of those guys turned and tapped like a bitch in the second round to Anderson.

"wow! this is crazy first rampage now hendo

We will be truly missing so much without these two guys that could not win against the elite.. bar the rare fluke. What will this world come to without Rampage and Hendo?

World peace.. or a balanced deficit? Both those fighters made me stupider just listening to them for 10 seconds. The brain drain isn't occuring in the tech field it is with old has been fighters in the UFC.

"The Fighters > Orgs"

You are a boxing fag.... that doesn't want to see the best fighters fight.. you would rather have all them keep their record intact by never fighting a decent opponent.. in boxing there is room to run.. to never fight.. to throw your belt in a garbage can to avoid losing it...

I unlike you want to see the best fights all the time.. no one fighter is ever worth that of the whole.. and if you haven't noticed even boxing is now starting to realize they need more hence these tournaments for the weight classes... they have been choked to compete.. after years of screwing their fans.

I hate the boxing model it robbed me of the best fights.. and douches that ran and pitter patted... won against guys that landed punches solidly.. slap a guy in boxing to score.. in the UFC it leads to an arm bar or the crucifix...

Go back to boxing none of us want your type watching.. it will only regress the sport. Stick to boxing Mex..

I see the passion there but the knowledge lacking..

PS great job to the creative Cage P team.. some great articles of late from left field that struck the chord and advanced some thought.. sometimes in a humourous way.. this is my chance to take my hat off to you..

Cheers

Orlandomac... you're a tool. You don't know shit you just think that you do. Do some homework... I didn't miss any statements... you're just missing facts. Keep reading i posted some below.

UFC fan...
Nevada state athletic commission makes the UFC post payouts. When Brandon Vera and his manager went to court all of the details of the UFC fight contracts were disclosed, including bonus'. There are COUNTLESS intelligent and informative articles and posts all over the internet about how the UFC is making record breaking profits and how they are NOT paying the fighters. I bet 80% of the UFC fighters on contract have to work full time jobs, which means NO they don't make more than the average family. Yes... 20 grand for a night sounds great.... but not for an income if you fight 2 times a year, and most fighters don't make that.
Now fair enough no fighter is bigger than the sport and they can be replaced... I actually agree with that. But when there is enough money for everyone there and compared to every other sport the UFC is bottom for payouts.... the money the UFC makes is from the fighters and their fans, without them there is no business and the best/popular fighters that help bring in that money deserve more.

I'm not sure about posting links in here... google "UFC its time to pay up" It's an article with some solid info.

I always stuck up for the U.F.C as the premier fight organization in the MMA world. But letting Hederson just walk away is a mistake of epic proportions. He is loved by American MMA fans and after that ass whippin he put on Bisping the world loves him as well, he is a huge PPV draw. To let him walk is like setting cash on fire. Way to think it through Dana, biggest mistake they have made so far as I can see. If hendo becomes a member of the strikeforce stable I WILL BE WATCHING THEIR SHOWS! HENDO 4 LIFE!

Hendo is easily top 10 in a list of top 5 middleweights.

no man the money goes to ZUFFA. Dana White is just the president he doesn't pocket the gate or anything else he works for the Fertitta's, Dana White gets his money regardless of who fights or who leaves. Learn who Dana White is.
I am a business man first and foremost. What they make is their business, what some newbie scrub fighter makes is his business, get another job!
Shane Carwin knows how it is, he doesn't complain, nor does anyone else, again I will tell you ONLY the big named fighters who believe their own hype bitch about money, Randy CUNToure is the poster child for it, and his ass got shown just how wrong he was.
Tramadoc you are drama-queen, same as gargoroth.
Lastly Joedirt the best thing for this sport is for UFC to keep running itself the way it has and NOT get down to terrible level of all pro sports nowadays and overpay the athlete.
there have been other so-called legit companys come along and they all failed because they cannot compete, and they OVERpay the fighters. Strikeforce is paying Fedor to much, and will overpay others who see what Fedor is getting, and they will not make money, and they will fail like all the rest.
If Hendo goes to strikeforce and demands big money and they pay it, it will be the nail in strikeforces coffin......so I hope he goes there, that is fine with me.
I still like hendo, and appreciate what he done, but no way is he bigger than the UFC, so bye bye. If he stays healthy he will be back, he will LEARN, he will stop listening to dumbass fans, and he will get an education in business. Just like Randy, just like Tito, just like everyone else who ever left, they ALL wanna come back.

^^^

831 son is right, stop with the fucking college composition papers. i didnt even read most of this thread. hendo is awesome, but isnt worth more than 350 a fight. he lost both his title fights. BTW, other than silva, who is better than hendo at MW? Ive seen people list the obvious...marquardt and mousasi. I think hendo beats them both. Belfort has plenty of losses. everyone needs to get off his nuts. He has quick hands, thats it. And he quits in the middle of fights.

because you clowns can't read, or it is difficult for you ,shows me that had you read, and COMPREHENDED what you read you would know better, but given your lack of education I forgive you.... feel free to keep it real, REAL fucking dumb.

UFC Fan:
"The reality of this is if every single signed UFC fighter was fired today, they go replace them, and rebuild, and with the franchise name, the fans, and the money already in the bank, they could do it."

Well for one, all the best fighters would be fighting for other organizations. Then all the fans would go watch all the best fighters elsewhere. There very existence of UFC relies on having the best fighters, period.

If what you say is even remotely true, they never would have offered Fedor the bank to come to the UFC.

You say you're 'about the business', but what you said above is about the stupidest business decision an org could make and if you're about business then you know there's no way in hell they would last a second if they tried utter stupidity like that.

Not even Dana White would agree with you, and he's the biggest bullshitter in MMA. So what does that make you?

UFC fan is such a tool he doesnt understand that no company stays at the top of the business they are in forever. someone else always comes along. He also doesnt understand how having competition actually builds an industry. Monopolies = stagnation. You must have never taken an economics class. HE also CAPITALIZES unimportant WORDS, and HAS trouble FORMING coherent THOUGHTS.

Plus, if they fire everyone, we end up with a gay title match between kalib starnes and Warmachine.

No business stays on top of the business they are in forever------NFL, MLB,NBA, really you need to think before you talk.

He also doesn't understand how having competition actually builds an industry. Monopolies = stagnation.-------again with the above mentioned businesses tell me where the competition is, and where is this so called stagnation you learned of in economics cause I am going to have to call BULLSHIT it on it. You are a total and complete moron REDDOG.----notice I CAPITALIZED unimportant words that were the same you and bullshit go hand in hand.

Now for joedirt-----at that particular moment when the topic was only about Fedor yeah I still feel he is wasting his time fighting nobodys, he wont be what you nuthuggers think he is until he fights in the best organization with the best fighters.
I never said the caliber of the fighter wasn't important I said they just never will be as important as the business, get it straight.

"clutchy hopkins Says:
Sun, 10/18/2009 - 08:26

oh my fuck UFC fan i can never find many (if any at all) valid points in your posts. just thought i would share that with you."

for someone who doesn't find my points valid you sure do get pissed off about em enough to post about it. Isn't contradiction a bitch?
I find your opinion of this whole deal with hendo to be stupid and one-sided just like the rest of the nuthuggers. Hey there goes your bandwagon asshole go jump on it.