
Forrest Griffin circa 2005 had the heart of a lion (and the face of a gremlin).
Forrest Griffin became a household MMA name after his run through the original Ultimate Fighter show. Goofily charming, Griffin had already amassed a record fitting a UFC fighter before appearing the show, with names like Dan Severn, Travis Fulton, Jeff Monson, Jermey Horn, and Chael Sonnen on his record. But it was Griffin’s gritty determination to fight and win that so impressed audiences back in 2005 that made him a fan favorite. His three round finale win over Stephan Bonnar, hailed as one of the most important fights in MMA history, was an instant classic not because Griffin thoroughly outclassed Bonnar, but because both fighters showed so much tenacity and desire in the fight. If you don’t mind me throwing the term around, Forrest Griffin won over fans because he showed a great deal of heart. It was clear just by watching him that Griffin wanted to fight, more than anything.
Six years later, Griffin is still with us and still somewhere in the top tier of light heavyweights, with a rematch against Shogun Rua to prove that Griffin belongs in that tier. Griffin said in interviews prior to the fight that a second win over Shogun would “validate” him as an elite light heavyweight.
And then he lost.
Leading up to the fight, Griffin had been a bit less sanguine about his fight than usual. Oh, Griffin still had jokes — he’s always a guy that will crack off a one-liner at any given time — but reading between the lines, some wondered whether Griffin still had the competitive fire that once burned so brightly in him. And after a loss to Shogun in which he looked slow and disinterested, some have begun to seriously ask: has Griffin lost the heart to fight?
Before appearing as a contestant on The Ultimate Fighter, Griffin competed at Heat FC 2 against Edson “Paredao” Silva. During the fight, he blocked a Paredao kick that broke his left arm. Griffin won the fight, via knockout. He would go on to have surgery on that arm after his TUF win two years later.
Griffin and Bonnar gained tons of fans (including Dana White) through a combined force of will — a double-team assault of heart so palpable that audiences could feel it watching at home. Even Forrest’s first win over Shogun was a show that when times got tough and the water got deep, Griffin dug down and pulled through.
Griffin seemed different after losing his fight with Anderson Silva, which is the closest thing anyone in contemporary times has ever seen to hand to hand combat with a Jedi. His confidence took a big hit, and his self-deprecating humor took on a tone that was uncomfortably close to a disclaimer. Griffin laughed as he talked about how ineffective he felt in that Silva fight, and we all laughed along, but really? Yeah, he really did look like a slow, slow white boy getting beat up by his dad.
Now, Griffin’s comparing his acceptance of the Shogun rematch with the stages of grieving. He doesn’t talk about wanting to be the number one fighter in the world, he talks about not wanting to be poor. He’s not talking about how he’s going to smash Shogun, he’s talking about wanting to smash some sweet potatoes, but he can’t find any in the far-off mythical land of Brazil.
Those aren’t the visualization habits and lofty motivations of a world beater. If all that matters is not being poor, one could argue that Griffin had made it. His five years with the UFC before the Shogun fight were probably lucrative enough to prevent worry about going back to a campus beat and Top Ramen, not to mention White’s oft-repeated loyalty to one of the fighters that helped save the UFC.
Couple all that with another shattering loss in the Octagon, this time against the guy who catapulted Forrest to the top of the division and a title shot in 2008, and you have to wonder where Griffin’s head is at. If he’s lost the desire to compete that made him such a fan favorite, can he regain it? Is Forrest Griffin, sans heart, a fighter that can stay at the top of the UFC’s dangerous 205 division?
As a fan of Griffin’s, I really hope so. I hope that this poor performance was just a result of traveling far from home, dealing with an unfamiliar culture, and having a really tough fight with a guy on his home turf. God knows, Griffin had plenty on his mind. But part of me does wonder if Griffin’s heart is still in it.
I may have some grieving of my own to do.
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commentsCertainly, I understand Griffin may have been distracted b/c of his wife, but to me, this was a horrible loss and horrible fight for him. This is the 2nd time now that it honestly looked like he took a dive or just gave up. The end of this fight was eerily similar to how he lost to Rashad Evans. At least in that fight he had put up a fight before losing.
My issue w/ it is he really was NOT hit by Rua but was sort of off balance swinging himself and trying to avoid Rua's strikes. In any case, he went down, ok, no problem there. But then he basically doesn't seem to know how to defend himself properly by covering up or even trying to grab Rua. The same happened w/ Rashad fight, look back at both. He just sort of flails around and gets hit. I realize Rua's punches are hard but he doesn't even try to block or grab and just sort of bounces to the punches. I honestly felt the same after Rashad's fight. He went down in that one and was initially moving around but then once the hits came, he flailed and bounced and essentially tapped out to it although he denies that.
I dunno, for someone who has the heart and never say die that Forrest used to have, it seems totally out of character for him to lose this way. Think about how he fought Bonnar in the 1st fight and then Rua and even Ortiz, he is NOT the same fighter whether it be mental, or some other sinisiter reason but this is not the Forrest who would not give up and got mad when he was struck, and struck back in his brawler style. You can't tell me he doesn't know how to try to put his arms over his face to block shots or even try to grab Rua's arms for control.
I'm just very disappointed in how Forrest has been fighting lately and certainly how he's been talking about his fighting. It doesn't bode well for the future.
The article hits the crux of what is wrong or different about Griffin: his last 5 fights even though he beat Ortiz and Franklin are no way the same Forrest who fought in the beginning of his career and up to winning the title.
Looks like White and Co. are really desperate for the UFC brand do well in Brazil. Casual fans might be deceived but I've seen enough matches to know which ones are real and which ones are WWE.
Okami gets dropped by a straight jab from Silva? That is just unreal. Also Okami barely put up a fight on the ground and had his hands covered prematurely.
And as for the Griffin vs Shogun fight, we've all seen White's poster boy go down on-call during his fight with Silva.
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The is a wise lesson in what you said. Watch out for fighters who have gotten married or who have recently had children. It means they are nesting. (LOL)
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Their mind shifts from smashing one's opponent to that of the nurturer of their offspring. I am guessing that most fighters find this conflict with life as polarizing.
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Unless grounded and able to disassociate the two, the mental grappling game effects ones zeal. A few will step through the mental barrier unscathed. Some may even drop a few fights. For others, consecutive losses will be too much for their esteem to carry them through. They will simply fade fast and the 3 strikes rule will take effect.
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Those that shine will step through such a mental hurdle and continue on with improving their fight game. It's these that the zest for competitiveness burns brightest. I doubt many care, but for the bookie, gambler, predictive mindset, and the fan - one will be all the wiser for remembering this before you lay your money down.
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How many fighter have gotten themselves sprung on some trim, and then subsequently fallen to the wayside once in the ring?
I am from Brazil and was rooting for Shogun, but although I was happy that Shogun could dominate the fighter the way he did, I felt sad that Griffin didn't represent a challenge to Shogun.He should have stayed home with his wife instead of fighting in here, period. I don't think his fighting days are over, as long as he still have inside of him that fire, that urge to go the cage and tear some MF apart. That dude is definately one of the good guys, I guess he just needs to use his head and think about the fights he takes, specially now that he has a kid.
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I don't hate the player, I hate the games. Yeah, I really do not only think, I know the UFC plays the ratings games. That is how they earn their coin - just like all other promoters.
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It's even gonna get worse and more obvious not that FOX is in the mix, as those boys demand (under contract) ever ounce of flesh they paid for.
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Your a bright man, In person I would even introduce you as such to others. Yet I am left scratching my head this afternoon, do you really want me to believe that you think the UFC's "best in the business bookie", a man named Mr. Joe Silva actually matches fights based on demonstrable records?
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The UFC and every single fight promotion out there is a big giant numbers game. Can anyone please convince me otherwise?
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"Griffin and Bonnar gained tons of fans (including Dana White) through a combined force of will"
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Dana was informed by the bean counters and support staff bloggers that the fans enjoyed the shit out of the first "Griffin vs. Bonnar" fight.
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Everyone but you seems to know, it's only Dana's "will of the ratings" that makes him a fan of anyone. Today's "D-"
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His roll starts slow into every fight. Comparing Rua to Forrest, Rua comes out fast yet often slows. The entire fight hinged on who would unleash the 1st 4 minutes.
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Forrest had no option but to fight Rua, as Rua is the road block for any of the ex-champions who want to reclaim their title.
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As Fried Taco said; Forrest simply got handed a sammwiche.
Id say GTFO off the guy's back with this shit - he's human and going through a milestone event in life, the birth of a child. Top it off with SHogun fighting at home and it is what it is. The harshest thing you could say is that "his priorities were skewed".
Personally, I dont even know why they made this match - Shogun got fuckin finished the first time and aside from letting a guy avenge a loss, there was no reason to take that fight or make that match in the first place. Tito v Forest 3 makes more sense actually, at least it would be a rubber match.
even in his victory over Franklin, he looked afraid to go into the pocket and take risks; not that i can blame him--i sure wouldn't want too, either, but--you kind have to do that in the UFC unless you're a top-level takedown or submission guy.
So it isn't like Forrest fought the best fights of his life on nights when his opponents were at their worst. So it must be heart that he is lacking, because uncoordinated and awkward white guys will always have a place at the top of this sport.
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