MMA Oddsmakers Toy With Our Emotions Re: Lesnar vs. Fedor
(The baddest man in the world, or a living Archie comic book character?)
Here’s a newsflash for you: online sportsbooks favor Fedor Emelianenko to beat Brock Lesnar in a dream match that may never actually happen. They’re even giving you the opportunity to lay some money down on it now, despite the fact that you don’t know anything about the conditions of this fight or the fighters at the time of the bout, and if it doesn’t happen by October 3, 2010, you get your money back. Of course, you could just wait until the bout is actually scheduled to take place (if ever) and bet then, but that’s not as fun, is it? This is like betting on who’s going to win the Super Bowl next year, and choosing between two expansion teams that haven’t been accepted into the NFL yet.
So what kind of a chance are the internet bookies giving Fedor to keep his horseshoe firmly implanted in his ass? At the moment Emelianenko is popping off at -240, meaning you’d have to bet $240 to win $100. For those of you who don’t gamble due to religious/poverty reasons, that makes him the favorite.
Lesnar is currently a +190 underdog, meaning a $100 bet would net you $190 if he held Fedor down and kept his “fat little hips” from moving around on the mat long enough to batter his face.
So if we had to bet today, where would our money go? Don’t even have to think about it, son. Fedor all the way. Here’s why:
1) He’s used to being the smaller man in almost all his fights.
2) He’s got a much better takedown defense than Frank Mir, who has almost none.
3) He’s much more explosive on the feet, and Lesnar looked lost in his few moments there against Mir.
4) Lesnar made a powerful enemy when he insulted Bud Light. They brought down Nixon, and they’ll do the same to Lesnar.
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SiDeBuRnZ Says:
Then who knows? Fedor might even get on top of Brock's wife that night.
Come on, give us odds on that!
Sheps Says:
That's an insult for Fedor to be even mentioned in the same sentence as Brock.
Brock wouldn't even be able to beat the guys Fedor made look pathetic, not to mention Fedor is way stronger. Brock has only beat like 3 notable names.
I would like to see Brock get fucked up though, but Fedor ain't fighting for the pennies the UFC wants to throw his way, and good on him for that, he has the ability to earn to his true potential whereas UFC fighters are stuck fighting for shitty money as they have no where else to go to make any more money than they already are
Horror Fighter Says:
If I were Josh Barnett, I'd be pissed. It's almost as if nobody is taking him seriously as Fedor's next opponent.
BuckWild Says:
I think it could only end in one of two ways:
Fedor by sub
or
Fedor by KTFO !
Clayton Says:
Don't underestimate the Coors posse. They're family owned - by religious nuts.
mmmiles9000 Says:
Fedor by ping lightning strike sub, or Lesnar by rabbit punch.
Ugh... my money's on Lesnar. But it makes me want to go hang myself.
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
Ditto, Horror Fighter.
The Baby Faced Assassin must be saying "WTF?".
I agree that Fedor would beat Brock. It would be a great fight, but I doubt it will ever happen.
I saw an article on Sherdung that said Cro Cop's 3-fight deal may help to lure Fedor to the UFC. While I doubt that the two are connected in any way, I would love to see Fedor beat Mirko's butt just for old-times sake. How many minutes into the first round before Cro Cop starts trying to poke Fedor's eye two knuckles deep?
As much as I love Fedor, I'm gonna take a pass on this upcoming Affliction card. It's not as stacked as UFC 101 or the upcoming Strikforce card.
Anyone else feel that way?
Dojima Says:
lol @ the Nixon reference... Lesnar loses by Submission(Deep Throat)???
somehow, I dont think Brock will enjoy that one, but maybe his wife will if sideburnz is right about Fedors victory party
Goog Says:
I guess anything's possible, but this fight is about as hypothetical as "Who'd win: Superman or the Hulk? "
Until I get up some morning, get some coffee and put way too much flavored creamer in it, check my email, read the headlines on CNN, see who's added me on Facebook, and eventually make my way over here to plod through the hundreds of unoriginal "Cock Chestnar" references and actually see a confirmed report that the fight is going to happen.... I give this matter zero attention.
I agree with HF and OBI... I'm more interested in Barnett and fights that are actually going to happen. And if Lesnar/Fedor ever does get inked... I'm pulling for Brock. For one, I think he's got a lot of potential. But mostly... I just wanna hear the entire MMA universe crying in unison.
And what awaits the guy who beats Fedor? Is he instantly the best HW ever? No... he was just better that night. I think the sport is too young to be handing out that title yet. Fedor's on a roll... no different than a lot of other guys.
Eddi Says:
Lets hope Barnett doesnt dominate Fedor so that a fight with Brock and Fedor will still be of interest
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
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Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
Goog sez: "get some coffee and put way too much flavored creamer in it"
Right on, brother!
"International Delight" Chocolate Ecclair creamer is the best!
Goog Says:
OBI...
You gotta be shitting me! That's what the wife bought this week! Doesn't even need coffee. YES!!!!!!!
The Truth Says:
Who has Fedor beat lately?
Why the hype?
The only respectable wins I see are years ago in unevolved MMA.
"Brock wouldn't even be able to beat the guys Fedor made look pathetic, not to mention Fedor is way stronger. Brock has only beat like 3 notable names."
Who? Where? When?
Fedor vs. Bas Says:
Barnett definately has a chance to be Fedor, and in a fight anyone can get caught and anything can happen. While we are all looking past this fight, I can assure you Fedor is not. Fedor will most likely win this. The only reason Barnett keeps saying he doesnt want to fight Fedor because he's his friend is Barnett knows he is out of his league and the underdog.
As for the Brock dream fight I agree with the odds but who cares until Fedor even shows interest in joining the UFC. There is no chance now and while we can all hae our arguments. . . WHO CARES. The second Fedor even acknoleges that he will consider talking to the UFC for a contract then I'll start paying attention. I dont even have to wait for him to sign to start giving this more consideration, but lets have Fedor at least consider the UFC as a destination first.
OB&I is right! Other than Fedor vs Barnett and the Gomi fight I have no interest in the next Affliction card. And I only like the Gomi fight because he was one of my favorites back in PRIDE and I hope he can show some potential again. UFC 101 is way better. (Penn vs Florian & Griffin vs Silva - both great fights)
Strikeforce is just a great fight card again except for the headlineing women's MMA fight which I just dont like. I'm not against it, just not a fan. But they have a stacked card under that including Josh Thomson vs Gilbert Meledez which should be a brawl. Overeem vs Werdum which will be great! (Lets see how Overeem's hand is??) And they have Nate Dias vs Joe Diesel Riggs. I'm so glad I have Showtime. Strikeforce has been putting some great cards together.
glenwo2 Says:
"So if we had to bet today, where would our money go? Don’t even have to think about it, son. Fedor all the way. "
>>> Son, he says... He sounds like one of the posters in this forum!!!
Well I got news for you, SON : Fedor is an overhyped POS who fights nothing but former UFC rejects and bums(no offense to Barnett, though..) and if he ever got to the UFC? Forget Brock...Fedor would have a tough time with Seth Petruzelli on a leash....
FEDOR = OVER-STINKIN'-RATED!!
Brock via KTFO in the FINAL ROUND....
Clayton Says:
"I just wanna hear the entire MMA universe crying in unison."
Goog, maybe I'm wrong here, but the way I perceive it, even the minority party in the epic internet battle of BROCK VS. FEDOR is minority by a small margin, only. In other words, I think just about as many people would cry if Brock lost. And by cry, I mean, incessantly whine while trying to convince the world (i.e., themselves) there's such a thing as a lucky armbar.
Goog Says:
@ Clayton
That's funny. And correct.
Nothing against Fedor, I just don't care about him. And if he ever ended up in the UFC, I have to wonder how he'd fare playing the higher-exposure game. Dana wants his guys doing appearances, being in video games... staying in the public eye and marketing... and hopefully for non-criminal reasons. Is he just gonna give Fedor the keys to the kingdom and let him disappear into the mountains of Russia till the weigh-ins? I doubt he'd feel he gets his money's worth overall, despite the numbers on the pay-per-view, which would obviously be high.
The Truth Says:
Dana is smart...Fedors video game and meet n greet value is rediculuos. It would be great if Dana signed him and (in fear of backlash again) gave him a warm up before BL with a Kongo etc and he got his brains beat in.....Id love it. He would prolly go with a Herring or Nog or Couture purely because their names and lack of current ability.
MMAMoneyLine Says:
Sorry guys...if this fight was happening tomorrow, my money would go on Lesnar. Don't get me wrong, Fedor still wins this fight 60-65% of the time...but the odds are giving him a 71% chance to win (14/20).
The fact that Fedor got beat up a little bit by Hong Man Choi in between armbar attempts is a huge reason why I think Lesnar would be a live dog here. If Lesnar gets Emelianenko on his back, Fedor is going to take punishment. Fedor is going to have plenty of opportunities for armbars, kimuras, keylocks and other subs, but the fight will come down to if he can secure a submission before Lesnar starts going off on him. Getting a gift submission like Mir is going to be a lot tougher this time around.
I might take a lot of shit for this, but that is my take on it.
glenwo2 Says:
MMAMoneyLine, don't worry if you "take a lot of shit" 'cause there are plenty in this forum that are FULL OF IT. ;)
Everyone is making Fedor out like he's some kind of invincible war-machine/terminator thing when all he is is just a man who was dominant...In 2004.
IF(and a big one) we get Lesnar/Fedor, those expecting to see 2004-version of Fedor will be very disappointed 'cause the 2004 version would beat Brock...The 2009(or beyond) version would get annihilated by The Madman of Minnesota, Brock Lesnar.
Goog Says:
To your point, MMAMoneyline...
Watch Lesnar on top of someone. He stays chest to chest or chest to back on them. In the few fights he's had, he rarely leaves the distance someone would need to swing their legs and pull an armbar like Fedor did on HMC. If anyone can do it, Fedor can. But he's not superhumanly strong, he's quick to grab an opening or opportunity. There's probably none better in that area. But can he overpower such a strong bull who knows what he's doing on the mat? Can anyone? I don't like their chance of just powering a submission onto a 290lb guy that smothers you and lays on your hips.
And as for that...
I couldn't care less that Lesnar uses his size and wrestling base to manage his fights. He'd be retarded to NOT do it. Look how Gorges Gurgel keeps taking shit for wanting to box his way to losses instead of using the BJJ where he's a-w-e-s-o-m-e. And the whole fight world jumped on Royce Gracie's balls back in the day and that guy would practically pull guard during the referee's instructions. He was a one-trick-pony and that trick worked pretty well. I'm giving Brock the same option to choose how he wants to fight. Gracie would choke guys out with his clothing. How the fuck is that fair or interesting? I don't know that the fighting has changed as much as the fans over the years. I'd love to see Gracie come in and win everyone over these days going 30 minutes hugging a guy from his back and then wrapping a sleeve around his throat. I can hear the collective "Zzzzzzzzzzzz..." And that's not to discount his record, but the fans are cheering for stand up wars and some of the fighters are stupidly trying to oblige.
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
I'm really stunned to see that folks like "glenwo2" still don't realize that Fedor is the real-deal.
Look, if you don't like the guy as a fighter, that's cool. I got no beef with that. But to say that he's "an overhyped POS who fights nothing but former UFC rejects and bums" is just not acurate. I don't need to get into specifics on Fedor record (you can look it up yourself), but the man has an incredible history and is still riding a 26 fight win streak.
26 FIGHTS!!!
He hasn't lost in 9 years! The last time he even got into the second round was back in 2006!
So Brock looks waaaay superior riding that 3 fight win streak....whoopie.
No doubt about it: Brock's a monster and I think he'll be around a long time in the sport. And he's fought top talent: Mir, Couture and Herring. I've seen every one of his UFC PPVs and dispite his 'douchy' behavior, I love watchin' him fight and will continue to love to hate him.
But if you objectively compare records, you can't seriously say Fedor is an over-hyped POS.
I'm telling ya, once Fedor takes off his magical multi-colored sweater woven from pure 'win' and downs two ice cream cones, Brock is history!
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
Goog Sez: "You gotta be shitting me! That's what the wife bought this week! Doesn't even need coffee. YES!!!!!!!"
You should give yer wife a big ol' smooch on the cheek for buying you that. She's obviously an angel.
P.S. - Pour that creamer stuff on top of ice cream...mmm-mmm-good!
...I need a coffee...
Goog Says:
That, OBI... is why you're a revered genius in these parts. I'm going to do that.
And yes, I'm gonna eat some ice cream and "get on top of my wife"....
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
Goog sez: "Royce Gracie would practically pull guard during the referee's instructions."
LOL!
Great visual!
The Truth Says:
"He hasn't lost in 9 years! The last time he even got into the second round was back in 2006!"
What has he done lately? MMA has evolved leaps and bounds while he has been fighting freakshows and has-beens. The kings of 2006 are being destroyed by the new group of fighters. I mean, what recent fight is so great?
Brock Lesnesman Says:
I'm calling this one for Brock Lesnar by flying cocksword-plata. Fedor's weapon defense is absolutely terrible, he will need to spend some time with Cro Cop to fix the Kalashnikov sized hole in his game!
gpd1389 Says:
Fedor would beat Lesnar, but not destroy him. Lesnar would take him down and try to keep control, but he still only has 5 fights. He is still learning MMA. He will make a mistake and Fedor would capatalize. Look at Fedor's fight with Arlovski, it only takes a small mistake to get beat.
MMAMoneyLine Says:
It does only take one mistake to lose a fight...Fedor almost lost against Arlovski when he got tagged.
Not saying that Lesnar is a 10th of the technical boxer Arlovski is...but nobody has managed to survive a Lesnar right hand yet.
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
@ The Truth:
In regard to Fedor, you ask "what has he done lately"?
Are you serious?
Well for one, he destroyed the careers of two former UFC champions. How's that for starters?
In his last ten fights (that's 5 more than Brock has fought in his career) he's beat the likes of Cro Cop, Lindland, Nogueira, Coleman and Hunt.
...I wouldn't mind having stuff like that on my fight resume.
I will agree that the Fedor of today is not the Fedor of 2006. He's actually better now.
just some dong Says:
By signing a bout agreement against Brock, a fighter is agreeing to meet him inside a locked cage, wherein Brock has a full 25 minutes to inflict as much bodily harm as he can to said fighter. Think about that. Really visualize it. The walk down to the cage... the door shutting behind you. Brock enters, and before you know it, you're face-to-face with him during the prefight staredown, knowing full well what's to come.
Fedor isn't jumping to the UFC, folks.
gpd1389 Says:
Lesnar has only beat 4 fighters. Mir survived the right hand the first fight, granted he was getting his ass kicked, but he still won. Couture was coming off a year layoff from the octagon and Herring is a gatekeeper. No doubt Lesnar is huge human being and could someday be as great, as people already think he is, but Fedor has proven time and time again that he is the top of the food chain. The only one better is Chuck Norris.
gecko071980 Says:
Goog, I like your out look on things.. To you others who think Fedor is all that.. Look at how the Ufc has changed with fighters.. From ufc 1 where only Gracie was skilled, and everyone else was tough, to ufc 40 when the talent started to get better and better, people actually trained for sigle fights for moths, To ufc 80-90-100 where there are the best of the best.. Now Fedor has been fighting these same guys since day 1 BUT all of the good good fighters who actually have skill are were in the ufc and he started fighting the rejects of UFC... All im saying (because im confusing myself) is.. Fedor was skilled since day 1 and yes he did have some great fights but he also had a lot of crappy fights. If you want to count all his RELEVANT fights he would be maybe 12-0 Not counting his loss because that was just a gay way to blemish his record. I really dont think he has faced an opponant like Lesnar.. say all you want about the old Nogara or cro cop or who ever but really, I dont think they could do much to Lesnar either in there prime.. I did watch all of the old fights and they rock but.. Im not convinced. Fedor beet people that are not at the calaber of the fighters today.. and if you say otherwise you are kidding your self.. dont get offended just think about it.. I watched some old fights before i posted...lol
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
gecko071980 sez:
"I really dont think he has faced an opponant like Lesnar"
Look, no doubt about it, Lesanr is one-of-a-kind. Nobody else that big moves that fast and wrestles that good.
The only person in MMA that ever came close to being like Lesnar was Kevin Randleman in his prime
...and Fedor beat him.
ZIIIING!
Nut Puncher 9000 Says:
@ OBI -
"In his last ten fights (that's 5 more than Brock has fought in his career) he's beat the likes of Cro Cop, Lindland, Nogueira, Coleman and Hunt."
-Ok now I am not saying that these names are not noteworthy, but please dont tell me that you believe that these names are any more noteable than Brock's ONLY MMA fights against the likes of Couture, Mir, and Herring. Now anything can happen, but I might be willing to wager that todays Herring could/would Stomp all 5 of the above named Fedor victims. The only bit of room i will give is that Nog beat herring but thats only because Heath fucked up.
Anyone with Brock's pedigree and list of fallen victims so early in his MMA career needs to be recognized. I have a hard time thinking of ANYONE who has recently been given a colder welcome to MMA with the results he has.
And finally speaking of Fedor and his termination of two former Champs; I will say that Brock has accomplished the same with Couture and Mir, either of which I would take as a favorite against Silvia or Arlovski. Not to mention that todays UFC HWs are much stronger than years ago when Arlovski and Silvia reigned. Back in the time when EVERYONE was talking about how the UFC lacked HW talent.
Now I dont know who would come out on top, (I would take Brock if forced to decide) but Fedor and Brock both deserve respect. They have both proven that they belong on top of the HW foodchain.
gecko071980 Says:
Randleman is NOT like lesnar... He came to ufc and never got any better then when he started. I hate that waste of skin... That is the case of only using your power.. no skill at all.
gecko071980 Says:
Thank you, Finally a logical answer... I am not saying they are not NOTEWORTHY but cro cop is good but has to many holes in his game, nog shows up and get a $hit kicking, usually pulls through and wins (dont know if he could handle brocks s@#t kicking).. coleman... well i donno, i dont think he would have ever stood a chance. Im not pro Lesnar but for 5 fights... and who he fought...lol who else has this type or resume in there first 5 fights? I like fedor but i need him to fight someone relevant.. not a hyped up Barnett who i believe will lose.. and if he wins then i dont think Fedor even stands a chance against against most of the current ufc heavy's.. sorry Fedor lovers, he needs some proof.. not this lacking 26-1. He has a good resume but lacking in the big fights... Mir said himself, that he was in the best shape of his career even before the accident and he was rolled bad.. except where he said he almost had an arm bar ...lol
Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
@ Nut Puncher 9000
"I have a hard time thinking of ANYONE who has recently been given a colder welcome to MMA with the results he has."
Cold welcome? Lesnar is a SUPERSTAR. All eyes are on him and he's got quite the fanbase going. One of the things i like most about Lesnar is, as you state, his results.
Credit where credits due: Every UFC fight for Brock has been against top-notch opponents....and he's handled all of them with surprising ease.
"And finally speaking of Fedor and his termination of two former Champs; I will say that Brock has accomplished the same with Couture and Mir, either of which I would take as a favorite against Silvia or Arlovski. Not to mention that todays UFC HWs are much stronger than years ago when Arlovski and Silvia reigned. Back in the time when EVERYONE was talking about how the UFC lacked HW talent."
Totally valid point and I can't disagree with it. this just makes the Lesnar/Fedor match up more intriguing!
Also...
@ gecko071980
I just knew bringing up Randleman would set somebody off!
gecko071980 Says:
lol, ya sorry man.. I dont know why, but i never liked him
HAL_13 Says:
JUST LOOK AT THAT FUCKING GEEK IN THE PICTURE. HELL, LUKE CUMO AIN'T EVEN THAT FUCKIN DORKY. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE AN AWESOME FIGHT BETWEEN BROCK, AND FEDOR. IF ANYONE CAN REALLY PUT BROCK TO THE TEST IT WILL BE FEDOR. HOWEVER I JUST DON'T SEE FEDOR BEING AS STRONG, AND POWERFULL AT ALL COMPARED TO BROCK. IN REALITY AS FAR AS ME TALKING ABOUT IT GOES, NORMALLY I WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE HONEST AND SAY I BELIEVE THAT FEDOR WOULD WIN THIS ONE ONLY BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS, AND WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE SPORT. HOWEVER I WAS THINKING THAT MIR WOULD ACTUALLY BEAT LESNAR AGAIN THIS TIME DUE TO WHO HE IS, AND EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS DONE IN THIS SPORT BUT MY GOD IT WAS'NT EVEN CLOSE AT ALL EXCEPT FOR THE LITTLE TWEETY BIRD THAT FLEW OVER BROCKS HEAD FOR THAT ONE SECOND. I'VE JUST BECAME A FIRM BELIEVER IN BROCK LESNAR, AND NOW MY OFFICIAL PICK HAS TO BE BROCK LESNAR FROM HERE ON OUT NO MATTER WHO HE FIGHTS IN THE FUTURE. AS LONG AS HE KEEPS DOING WHAT HE IS DOING NOW, AND GETTING BETTER THEN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION HAS ONE HELL OF A HILL TO CLIMB AS LONG AS BROCK IS THE CHAMP.
The Truth Says:
"@ The Truth:
In regard to Fedor, you ask "what has he done lately"?
Are you serious?
Well for one, he destroyed the careers of two former UFC champions. How's that for starters?
In his last ten fights (that's 5 more than Brock has fought in his career) he's beat the likes of Cro Cop, Lindland, Nogueira, Coleman and Hunt.
...I wouldn't mind having stuff like that on my fight resume.
I will agree that the Fedor of today is not the Fedor of 2006. He's actually better now"
Cro Cop was junk in the UFC, Lindland is a 185er(lol) Nogs got smoked by Mir who was raped by Lesnar. Coleman and Hunt arent nearly as good at wresting and dont even compare in athleticism.
*******
"The only person in MMA that ever came close to being like Lesnar was Kevin Randleman in his prime""""
Randleman is 75+ lbs lighter, 5 inches shorter, and much slower.
I want to see Fedor against some new age fighters. Couture,Nogs, Sylvia, Randleman,Coleman, etc are oldschool leftovers. BL still has plenty of work to do, but MMA is evolving and I wanna see Fedor and BL trash someone who wasnt his coolest in 2005.
gecko071980 Says:
he destroyed the careers of two former UFC champions.... ummm yeah, but they were good when everyone else sucked... They dont stand a chance now, even if they were in there prime.. Damn i hate even thinking that Sylvia even held the belt....
HAL_13 Says:
YA GOTTA REMEMBER LITTLE OL' RANDY DOMINATED TIM SYLVIA FOR 5 ROUNDS ONLY TO TURN AROUND AND GET DOMINATED BY LESNAR. I STILL WANT TO SEE A RANDY VS FEDOR FIGHT.
gecko071980 Says:
Randy/Fedor would be cool and he deff deserves it first..
HAL_13 Says:
YOUR RIGHT MY MAN, HE DOES DESERVE IT FIRST. NO MATTER WHO IS CHAMP.
Sunburned Says:
I'm happy to buy ANY pay-per-view show that Randy or Fedor headline, (same card would be amazing for the sport btw).
Lesnar, not so much. (Not buying any pay-per-view that he headlines anymore). The casual fan might line his pockets but after UFC 100, he's just another Ortiz to me. Professionalism counts. I can't go to work and flip off the people that just paid me to do my job for them, maybe you guys can, (but i wouldn't have a job the next day).
I'm an old school mma fan, been watching the UFC shows since 1996 and Pride i picked up a few years later, Ortiz and Lesnar have displayed the worst professionalism post-fight that i've ever seen. Might be small change to them, but my pay-per-view money is going to go where i see professionalism.
SiDeBuRnZ Says:
@ sunburned
agreed...
just some dong Says:
@ Sunburned,
You wouldn't flip off your boss if he booed you after you achieved something great? You, sir, have no backbone.
glenwo2 Says:
"Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
Fri, 07/17/2009 - 13:24
gecko071980 sez:
"I really dont think he has faced an opponant like Lesnar"
Look, no doubt about it, Lesanr is one-of-a-kind. Nobody else that big moves that fast and wrestles that good.
The only person in MMA that ever came close to being like Lesnar was Kevin Randleman in his prime
...and Fedor beat him.
ZIIIING!"
>>>> Kevin Randleman is NOT Brock Lesnar.
ZIIIING!