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If Anderson Silva‘s inscrutable performance at yesterday’s UFC 112 left you feeling angry and cheated, Dana White feels your pain. White stormed out of the arena after the fourth round of Silva’s non-fight with Demian Maia, but not before dropping Silva’s championship belt off with the Spider’s manager, Ed Soares, refusing to deal with it himself. At the post-fight press conference, White ripped into the middleweight champ, telling media "I don’t think I’ve ever been more embarrassed in the ten years of being in this business." (Hmm. Does that sound familiar?) "I don’t know how yet," Dana continued, "but I will make this up to the fans that bought that shit tonight."
Having to repeatedly apologize for Anderson’s fights may have soured the UFC president on Silva permanently: "He said the other day that he wanted to cut to 170 and fight GSP. I don’t want to see that fight now. He doesn’t deserve to fight GSP…I’d like to say he lost his mind tonight, but this is the third time this has happened, this isn’t the first time."
Later, in an interview with Ariel Helwani, Dana called UFC 112 his lowest moment as president of the UFC, and appeared genuinely heartbroken that he had let down the people (and investors) of Abu Dhabi. It bothers him that he has to apologize to fans while Anderson seems to have no urge to do the same. Asked who he’d be interested to see Anderson fight next, White replied "Anderson doesn’t interest me right now."
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Sun, 04/11/10 - 08:50
no your not
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:06
It is DW and Joe Silva's job to find someone competitive to figth the Spider. If he can clown like he did in that fight and eventually get bored in the middle of the fight, then it is their fault for not finding him suitable competition. Up to 205, down to 170, maybe even up to heavyweight? Silva should not have to look so hard for a real fight in the most elite organization in MMA. I don't blame him for getting bored embarrassing the jokes that the UFC is feeding him.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:10
It would be interesting to know the thinking behind all of Silva's antics. What exactly is he trying to accomplish with the clown routine in every fight? He has already been warned about it before, so what gives? Is he bored of MMA? Is he trying to make some kind of statement to the UFC? Does he think he's doing himself some kind of favor by behaving that way? It's baffling. Jon Jones vs Anderson Silva. Let's have it.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:12
"I don't blame him for getting bored embarrassing the jokes that the UFC is feeding him." If he was so bored he could have, you know, knocked out his opponent or submitted him. And picked up a nice 75k bonus for the effort.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:23
While I can't argue with Dana's emotion, it's a bit disconcerting having the future fights of the best fighter on earth (arguably) determined by a grudge. I mean, people still want to see Silva fight someone at his level, which, you know, hasn't happened in some time. So Silva's a bit of a fuck-up, a diva, whatever. He's an athlete. Deal with it.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:24
I hope the UFC has learned its lesson: Never put anyone in the cage with Silva unless they're a reckless or aggressive striker. Anyone else and Silva's going to fight like a jackass. James Toney vs Anderson Silva anyone? Anderson Silva is an amazing talent. But his fuck is shit. Ever since he tried to tell the world that Machida won all 5 rounds against Shogun I've assumed he's a few rounds short in the magazine.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:24
With Belfort and Sonnen hurt they should have moved Penn vs Edgar to the main event and had Anderson fight a 205 fight in the co-main event. There was no deserving middleweight challenger at the time(Maia was on a one fight winning streak after being destroyed by Nate), so why not move him up to light heavyweight for the night? I'm sure they could have found someone willing that would have produced an exciting fight. Also, it would have avoided having to watch Silva dance for 25 minutes.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:24
The judges should have given Maia the decision based on aggression and octagon control. Silva is the Roy Jones Jr. of MMA. He looks invincible now, but just like Roy Jones Jr., one day someone will knock his ass out and make it look easy.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:25
I find it interesting that both of Silva's terrible performances have come against guy who are heavy ground fighters. When he fights guys like Dan Henderson, Chris Leben and Forrest Griffin who are willing to stand in front of him, he seems more into the fight. Against submission guys like Maia and Leites, he's always clowning in the fight and doesn't even attempt to finish them. It's almost as if he doesn't feel like these ground fighters are "worthy" of being finished by him.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:25
The best KO I saw last night came out of the Atlanta v. Pittsburgh hockey game(kane v cooke check it out, u deserve it). I don't care why Silva acted a fool(again) the guy obviously has issues. I do not buy the "maia disrespected me" either, he could not clearly answer the follow up question as to "how was maia disrespectful" and after the fight he seemed rather cordial with Maia. I am an MMA fan, been that way for over a decade and I can get over a bad night at the fights i.e. I was at UFC 97 and still continue to watch the UFC today. My issue(maybe u can relate) is that my friends are on the fence as to spending a Saturday night in to watch the UFC with me and watching the UFC alone leaves much to be desired. After last night I think I may find myself in this undesirable position in the future, if the UFC were trying to sell the sport to new audiences last night, they had an epic failure.......I hope Dana makes good on his promise(Silva should fight for free next time).
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:28
Another thing...Dana says how embarrassed he is by Silva's performance and all, but I wonder if he'd be willing to refund 1/5 of the purchase price of the PPV to everyone who paid to watch that disaster? Yeah....
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:31
I agree with BEAM. If he is so superior then his only objective should be to end the fight in a spectacular way. It's more than obvious that Anderson Silva has no respect for The UFC, Dana White or his fans. After that performance I am convinced that GSP would humiliate Silva if they fought.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:33
I've got a new nickname for the spider. It's a play on half-man, half-amazing, but in this case it's "half-douche, half-dimensional". see, it works cause he's a douche AND he's only effective if someone is coming straight at him. Everyone gives me shit for calling the guy an overrated douche for the last few years but now it looks like most people (excluding the 25% of the population that is retarded) are starting to see him for what he really is. and for all the morons saying that his ridiculous shenanigans are because he's somehow too bored to fight, please shut the fuck up. he didn't finish maia because he's terrified of opening himself up to being hit or being taken down and submitted. I think with BJ's loss and Silva's pathetic performance last night the whole p4p best in the ufc debate got a lot clearer.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:36
First of all, a shitty event overall. The last three fights were not entertaining at all, but what can you expect? Hughes vs Gracie = shitty fight. This one I was actually looking forward to. A little. My message to Renzo: You know your in the wrong sport when Matt Hughes can kick your legs from underneath you. Penn vs Edgar = Bullshit. I had Penn winning first four rounds. Sure, Frankie did move a lot quicker etc but it was mostly defensive movement. And that means BJ was more aggressive. Plus BJ landed more punches with a better accuracy. Then there were the numerous takedown attempts which stayed attemps. Don't get me wrong, I hate BJ but this was just bullshit. And finally Silva vs Maia... Bad match-up to begin with. Who didn't see this coming? Silva avoided the ground game with Leites, so he wouldn't avoid it with Maia? Yeah, right. Does anyone buy the whole striker vs grappler shit anymore? If you want Silva to entertain you, put him in a 3-round match against a bigger guy. That has never failed. If you want him to defend his title (that's what champions do, right?) then you can't blame him for implementing a gameplan and winning. Anyone who has a bad thing to say about Silva's performance is an idiot. Didn't hear DW trashing GSP after not choosing to stand with Hardy or Alves, how's this different? And the MMA fans booing Silva and chanting GSP a week after booing GSP? Well, it proves that arabs are just as stupid as americans. Sorry, someone's gotta say it.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:38
As the best MW fighter in the world A.S. expects to be matched against the worlds best challengers. The UFC is supposedly the place where such matches would happen. No disrespect to Patrick Cote, Thales Leites, and Demian Maia but they are not the #1 contenders at MW. Heck Leites isn't even in the UFC anymore as far as I know. Vitor Belfort was not the #1 contender and for the UFC to push him down my throat as a fan was utter disapointment to me, so I can only imagine how A.S. felt. Then to put up Demian Maia after letting Hendo go to the competition over something as petty as $$$. @all the haters remember that A.S. has finished 8 out of 11 fights in the UFC (not counting Cote). A.S. wants to fight the very best the world has to offer but is unable to due to the weird ass matchmaking that has been happening lately in the UFC's title matches. The UFC fucked up by letting Hendo go and now they aren't appreciating having that thrown in their face.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:53
Man..I still really wanna see Belfort v. Silva. Here is the problem: If a grappler is supposed to beat Silva it makes no sense for him to engage Silva on the feet, and it makes no sense for Silva to give him any opportunity to take him down. So you get a stalemate. Belfort has hands
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:53
Häkkiperuna and a number of other commenters are completely missing the point. The UFC is in the ENTERTAINMENT business. It's only here because money is changing hands and people are being entertained. You can call people stupid, but I promise Dana White cares a LOT more about those "stupid" fans than about arrogant superfans who don't understand how business works. Silva isn't being paid (handsomely) to "defend his title" or "get the win". He's being paid to fucking fight and most importantly entertain. It's amazing how quickly a lot of "hardcore" fans somehow forget that this is a fucking entertainment business and not some non-profit organization dedicated to finding the greatest fighter in the world with no personal gain in mind...idiots.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:05
@Hakkiperuna. Sorry buddy but you are the idiot here. First of all it's not a bad thing to chose to direct the fight away from where your opponent is the strongest, that's called smart fighting, but you still have to put in your best effort to stop your opponent. GSP took the fight to the ground and didn't let off the pressure and worked hard the entire 25 minutes. Can you say that about Silva? I used to be pretty stoked to watch A. Silva fight and was a big fan but now I've lost all respect for him. Fighters are now figuring out that he is only effective if you go straight at him and he gets frustrated if you don't fall for that shit, it's only a matter of time before he gets his ass handed to him.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:08
@Patrick. For many people not only the hardcore fans watching the best fight the best is entertaining in and of itself(regardless of the outcome). As well I guarantee that had A.S. been given the legitimate #1 contender, Dan Henderson, he would of thought long and hard about starting to showboat in Round 1. If you doubt that previous statement look at their first meeting. Not much clowning there. Falling back on the "its entertainment" is a load of UFC nuthugging bs and you know it. Hendo went on to beat Rousimar Palhares, Rich Franklin, and put up one of 09 bests K.O.'s against Bisping. He even fell in line for a while to do their "entertainment" reality show. Honestyly which part of the Hendo/bisping KO wasn't entertaining? Entertaining is obv. not most important since they overlooked Hendo who was clearly the next in line on both a "rankings" and "entertainment" angle to somehow push a untested at MW in the UFC Belfort. They got Belfort cheaper than they could get Hendo therefore they shove him down our throat? I'll admit that is business but to me its not sport or entertaining. It disrespects Hendo and fans like me who want to see the best fight the best. Now they can't get Hendo back so they themselves are responsible for the ? mark that is gonna hang over their MW division for the next year or so. As far as LW the best they got rite now is Kenflo and for them to try to sell us anything else is insulting us as fans. They need to spend some of that $ they have and make a Alvarez or Aoki(esp.) get in the cage and fight.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:09
"First of all it's not a bad thing to chose to direct the fight away from where your opponent is the strongest, that's called smart fighting" That's exactly what Silva was doing. Not his best performance, but a good victory and a good feather in his hat.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:10
@ Patrick Well said.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:14
I wonder how embarrassed Silva was when he found out he was fighting the 5th guy in line to be top contender, who is coming off a loss and who is a completely one-dimensional fighter? If we had seen the originally scheduled fight, or even one of the REAL top contenders, one of them would have forced Silva to actually fight (yes, even Sonnen). I think Anderson made a good point yesterday. He has the belt. He wants someone to fight for the belt. It's a waste of everyone's time and money to put someone in the ring who can't even hit him when he tries, which is close to never. If we had seen Maia push the fight early and get his shit knocked out, he would have left with some dignity. Honestly though, who ACTUALLY thought Maia ever had a shred of a chance? The middleweight division in the UFC is a joke. With the exception of Belfort, who could even come close to beating Silva? Maybe if Bisping shut his cock-hole and just trained. If/when the Sonnen fight happens, it will be just as much a joke as yesterday's fight. @Patrick Big-name boxers get paid a fuck of a lot more (and still with more PPV buys), and when big-name boxers' competition gets injured, the fight is rescheduled. ESPECIALLY when it's a title fight. When did it make sense to send in some ragdoll to get fucked up by a real fighter? Why are you, along with so many other people, surprised by Silva's antics?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:16
Just a thought : A few years ago, wasn't Silva being "offered" by Roy Jones Jr a fight - boxer vs MMA, for some big cash. And if memory serves me correct - again, I may be wrong here - Dana put a stop to it for Anderson Silva? Silva was being offered some big money, more than he makes for UFC in a single fight. Is this his "motivation" for his antics? With James Toney just getting signed too, maybe Silva is just ticked off with the situation. NOt the best way to deal with it, but he knows UFC is "The Show", and any opportunity to go elsewhere won't work out too well.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:16
Stop writing those fking bibles, no one really cares! Also, in a logical way of the first person to blame is Maia who couldn't give any opposition to Anderson, making him fight seriously. Then Anderson that didn't show why he has the belt, and for last but more important (IMO) is the machmakers and chairmen, who have stop putting no-competition to fight Anderson in a main event. I mean, Maia is good but is way too one-dimensional to think about a belt.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:18
@ Patrick....exactly it's a business.. Silva is now becoming like Mayweather... yeah he might be the best but does he get ppv's? I also disagree with the comparisons with gsp... every time gsp fights he does it with dignity and professionalism...people say "gsp was the same in the hardy fight" no bollox he was hardy is dangerous, like him or loathe him, and gsp took it to where he could control the fight...it wasn't entertaining but i appreciate the craft and skill required to control a dangerous opponent...silvas display was disgusting.end of.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:20
I too still really want to see Belfort v Silva. It would be a damn exciting fight, no bullshit. Maia was a fairly last minute stand in. Who else is going to face A.Silva then someone with everything to gain. Maia was what he was, and I don't blame him for the debacle last night. That said Silva needs to fight Rua/Belfort/Machida(I know), or Jones in a couple fights. It's unfair to make him fight Silva at this point. GSP would be a superfight, but I would rather see Silva go up for multiple fights then down for one. I don't even know what to think about Sonnen right now, I think he'd just get caught in a submission or KTFO. I doubt his next opponent will be known before the Machida Shogun rematch.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:22
This is entertainment and we do pay to see this guy fight. I'm not saying he should go crazy and throw flying knees all over the place. All that should be expected is that you fight hard. You get entertaining fights when people fight hard. Fitch is a good example. You can call him boring, but the dude tries as hard as he can.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:25
If he can make the weight, I think the GSP fight would be better because GSP has the speed to keep up with Silva and make it a fight. But reallistically, Anderson needs to move up if he wants to push himself because it doesn't look like the UFC has anyone to do that at middleweight.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:27
Here's the bottom line. Anderson Silva is suffering from psychotic delusions of grandeur and is so blatantly arrogant that he thinks he can be the champion from welterweight to heavyweight. What a fucking retard.... fuck 'm
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:27
I have no desire to see Silva fight anyone anymore, regardless of their caliber. The people here defending his actions don't get it and never will. Go back to boxing.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:27
as a professional fighter, you shouldn't even think about "this guy isn't on my level". You fight who the organization puts in front of you because that's how you get paid. Seriously, (Dan Henderson aside) who else would they have put up against Silva? Who is the #1 contender? Sonnen is hurt, Marquardt just lost, and Belfort is also injured. Also, I seriously doubt Anderson's gameplan to win the fight was to dick around for 3 rounds and then start running around for the last 2. I cheered Maia when he threw his hands up in the air in the last 2 rounds begging Anderson to engage him. They should have just taken him off the card once belfort got hurt to be honest. Or given him a LHW fight
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:30
I'm starting to wonder if any of you guys even know that Silva and Hendo already faught, and that Silva smashed him. The fight already happened stop acting like losing Dan is the biggest mistake ufc ever made. I really don't see how anyone who watched the fight can defend Anderson. You have to have your head way up your ass to think he didn't do anything wrong. There is a difference between implementing a smart and low risk gameplan (gsp), and being a completely disrespectful ass hat. I lost all respect for Silva last night. If you are going to taunt your opponent and basically call them a pussy to their face in the middle of the fight, and then spend the next 2 or 3 rounds running away from them.. wow. Anderson taunted Mia and then ran away like a scared little pussy for the rest of the fight. What a bitch. He could have ended that fight whenever he felt like it but he'd rather make a mockery of it and play around. Fuckin get out there and fight or find another profession. I think Anderson is the best fighter in the sport period but he should be fined, suspended, stripped of the title.. something. Fuck that was a pathetic performance.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:34
I'm glad DW is as pissed about it as I am. Cut the fucker.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 10:52
@ armfarmer... Henderson did lose to Silva but it was a fight. Then Henderson went on to win his next 3 fights in the UFC. If losing to Silva precludes you from fighting him again then definetly losing your previous fight to Marquardt should have the same effect. Am I crazy or werent' we promised that the winner of Bisping Hendo would be next in line? I'm not saying that cutting Hendo was the worst decision made by the UFC but definetly the worse thing that could of happened to their MW division. ****oops I forgot to sign in as Jonny5 so this post is not made by CheckHisPee but by J5*************
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:02
Fire his punk ass,buy out his last 2 contract fights, and let this last fight should be his "legacy"
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:10
I posted a bible chapter yesterday because I was so pissed at the card in general and at Silva's performance in particular. Now that I've slept on it...I'm even more pissed off today. The guy is a prick. Bottom line is that he is a paid professional and his job is to get out there and get the job done. For all of you defending his antics and blaming other people for his performance...fuck off. If he doesn't like the things that are going on as far as challengers are concerned, he should be finishing people, not clowning around like some WWE prick. I'd like to see one of two things happen here...1) finish whatever contractual obligations he has then pack his bags and head to another organization or 2) cut his ass to send a message to other fighters. It doesn't matter who's put in front of him, he should fight to the best of his ability. Instead, he taunts and toys with Maia, until Maia tries to engage, then he runs. What the hell is that all about? I still think Silva is a phenomenal talent, but a piece of shit as a professional and probably a piece of shit as a human being. Who would have thought someone could make Lesnar look like an ambassador for the sport?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:15
Its not Joe Silva or Danas job to finish Andersons fights. If Anderson was so bored in the middle of the fight, why not end it? No, it has nothing to do with being bored. Anderson was mocking Maia, and his antics are his way of trying to convince people "his greatness is so great, he can toy with top tier fighters like a cat with a wounded mouse." I have grown tired of Anderson, you literally can't count on him to come fight when he headlines a card, and thats a scaring thing when you own a company that depends on PPVs.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:19
I think Dana said it best. If you're the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, you finish fights in 2 minutes like Mike Tyson.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:20
And for the record, DW was right on the mark. Silva is capable of greatness but instead gives us garbage.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:22
do you guys know why DW won't make the GSP fight happen because he knows that Anderson Silva will destroy GSP.... The problem w/ Anderson Silva is that UFC only give him shit fight .. you guys be honest w/ yourself and tell me that you weren't aspecting this to happen.... Anderson Silva needs to fight guys that are not afraid to get knock out guys how will push him just like griffin did.....don't get me wrong i think that GSP is a great fighter but not in the same level as Anderson Silva.. if you guys remember GSP fight against Dan Hardy wasn't so good as well, all GSP did was take Dan Hardy down so lets get off Anderson Silva for a little bit and let the guy fight his fight i loved the first two rounds Anderson Silva is the best and most fun fighter to watch and if the fight sucks it's the UFC fault get him better fighter i would love to see Anderson Silva VS Mosassi that would be the fight that would let us see how good Anderson Silva really is thanks every one that reads this Savio J.B.A
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:27
cloiselle...what are you talking about? Silva did more to embarrass himself and the sport in general than to embarrass Maia. Jesus Christ, the whole place was cheering for Maia (and even GSP) after seeing what Silva was doing. I'm sure more 'real fighters and MMA practitioners' are going to have a lot to say about this and I doubt it will support what you posted.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:29
I blame the matchmakers, look at andersons performance against top competition. look at his performance against lower ranked guys without the skills to really challenge him. a wolf doesn't chase a lame meal, it lives for the hunt. anderson wont chase a joke fighter, he has nothing to prove of that and does what he did last night. he showed the ufc what he thinks of their bullshit. from the second they started pushing maia as being remotely capable of dethroning him i knew this card was bullshit, just marketing hype. the ufc needs to start putting real fights up and creating a worthwhile product for us to by if they want to keep our business. no more bullshit fights, no more bullshit hype and advertising. put the best against the best and push these guys to perform. i wouldnt have dont dick if i were anderson, took my $ and ran . that was an insult to his ability , putting maia in there . WAR anderson, he's becoming bigger than the ufc.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:30
A. Silva vs winner of Rampage and Rashad (preferably Rampage). He'd get to fight a legitimate 205 fighter (unlike Irvin), who is a big 205 that has powerful punches, could out wrestle him, and probably has a better chin than Forrest. Also a win against one of those two and they could say that he beat a top contender in the division for when he fights for the light heavyweight belt (although we all know the UFC doesn't put much stock into beating top contenders and sometimes just gives title shots to whoever is popular at the moment).
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:30
cloiselle Why did you replace your other post?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:32
@Get Off Me said "My issue(maybe u can relate) is that my friends are on the fence as to spending a Saturday night in to watch the UFC with me and watching the UFC alone leaves much to be desired." 100% agreed. I'm the fight nerd in my crew and I am slowly converting some friends to fight nerds as well. All my hard work was undone in one fell swoop - thanks Anderson, you have soured new fans on wanting to watch UFC. My friends and I couldn't fucking believe what we were seeing - what a horrible display of poor sportsmanship and complete arrogance by the so-called P4P best in the sport. You know somethings not right when the name Tito Ortiz comes up during an Anderson Silva fight. WTF! His antics were so stupid that I felt personally embarrassed by it. Now I hate you Anderson Silva.... even more than I hate Tito Ortiz.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:35
you're an idiot, it's a sport . all senseless people and fans like you want to see is two idiots going at it with reckless abandon for youre pure entertainment. what a fucking troll. any really fighter or martial artist knows its a sport and in that context what happened is perfectly understandable. he had no challenge , had to take no risk and simply did all that was necessary to win. had maia been a real threat he would have taken care of buisiness. but why put yourself at unecessary risk for some random fucking shit to happen when you dont have to. why let maia possibly land a freak shot and ruin his perfect record or legacy when he could just stay outside and pick him apart, and all his dancing around, hiding behind big dan, slapping the ground and other shit was added to make it more entertaining the way i see it. mindless idiots like you who buy an affliction shirt and say they're legit mma fans dont understand anything about real fighting vs. mma competition. what if chuck walked in there against rashad and fought smart, instead of fighting with reckless abandon like he did? he'd probably have found a home for a counter and won instead of getting ko'd, same goes with wanderlei, gsp and other great fighters. do you see randy going in and swinging like an ass just to entertain ? nope its all stalling on the fence and very paced boxing.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:38
Some people seem to have the opinion that Silva is so good that he is bored of all who confront him. I really think there needs to be some re-evaluation of their Hero after his latest performance. I understand some people aren't able to see the faults due to the rose colored glasses often sported by fans when looking at thier individual "God" of (in this case) the Octogon, (and just to quell the comments that will almost certainly follow, yes I am in fact guilty of wearing said glasses when looking at my Hero GSP), but I am also able to observe the points in GSPs game that need attention, some won't agree but I think GSP could use a little more power to aid in not always having to go to the ground. That being said, I think Silva has shown us that he is in fact human and is, for lack of a better word, anxious of either getting KTFO himself (which is only normal for anyone not just paid fighters!), or is way over protective of his title and the almost certainty that at some point, some time, maybe even in the near future, he will be beat. There's no arguing his gifts, he's shown them over and over in previous fights but something is very different in the Spider and it's having catastrophic consequences for his career. I hope whatever is causing it is discovered and dealt with before it's too late. For the record, I think at this point in time, The Spider would get caught up in the "RUSH" of aggression GSP would certainly show in a fight between possibly the two best fighters in the sport! It might just be what both fighters need to take them to the next level, who knows, this is just my opinion.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:42
cloiselle you are a moron. Anderson's job is to fuckin' fight, not run around the octagon like a little bitch. So lemme guess, when you go to work and your boss tells you to sweep the floor you start clowning him because you feel that you should be given more of a challenge? You are a complete douchetard. Please spare us any more of your idiotic banter and just go away.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:45
I think cloiselle is actually Anderson Silva posting about himself. Who else would have such a warped sense of reality? No retards, it wasn't anyone elses fault that Silva made a mockery of an entire sport last night. Silva did that all by himself. If he wasn't happy with the matchmaking then he should have made a statement by putting mia away in under a minute. Fooling around and running away from him the whole fight didn't prove shit about his abilities. All it proved was that Anderson Silva is nothing but an immature brat.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:49
if you guys remember GSP fight against Dan Hardy wasn't so good as well, all GSP did was take Dan Hardy down so lets get off Anderson Silva for a little bit and let the guy fight his fight i loved the first two rounds GSP's fight wasn't so good if you're the kind of person who gets bored when the fight goes to the ground. Fighting on the ground is part of MMA and personally I love to watch guys like GSP who are constantly improving their position on the ground, passing their opponents guards at will and doing various submission attempts. Silva ran away from the fight STANDING UP, where people say he's invincible. I have never seen anybody get threatened with losing a point because they were running away from the fight like that and if someone wouldn't told me that he would run like that I would've told them they were crazy.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:49
I love how cloiselle is trying to sound like some uppity intelligent martial arts purist yet he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. Just stop talking dude you are just making an ass of yourself. There's a difference between what you're talking about and what Anderson did last night and you can't even see that lol. Seriously just stop.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 11:55
im pretty sure what i say here will be argued with and hope that there are people that can understand what im saying and believe that its a possibility. Anderson Silva was very disrespectful, but having faught fights against cote and Leites, Silva didnt want to look like it wasn't his fault neither him or maia were exchanging blows or being active. So he taunted maia also which im sure he also figured would force maia to attack or look like Leites(pussy) basically. silva didnt want to go all out with maia because it would leave him exposed for a takedown/ submission which maia has won all his fights off of. So he waited and the few times maia made an attempt he paid for it, but silva didnt keep pressure/ leave himself open. he picked his shots and left maia kinda fucked up by the end. in the 4th in 5th though (and this im sure alot of people will disagree because it seems close to impossible) maia started swinging and connected some shots. silva wasnt expecting that at all. he hardly ever gets hit and who'd think a submission expert whose won his fights with submissions could not only hit him but hurt him. it threw him off. He shut the fuck up afterwards and figured "wasn't expecting that. i already won the first 3 rounds and hes not making much of an effort to attack so ill be fine, fuck it." what had me so mad was that silva slipped twice and maia didnt pounce, he half assed a kick on one but didnt try to grab him. Silva ended up winning all 5 rounds on the scorecards for 2 judges and 4 for the 3rd judge so thats what surprises me the most id say. silva was runnning and maia was somewhat active. silva is a great stand up fighter but he fights ONLY his fight which is "you come at me and i hit you". he probably wouldve swung on most fighters but he respects and knows the only chance anyone really has is taking him to the ground and submitting him(which maia would usually be great at) so he thinks why risk it. the obvious answer is to entertain the crowd and everyone watching, but obviously thats not his main objective.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:11
@ Lorenzoe Thanks for the long winded play by play, like as if none of us watched the fight. We all saw what we saw and your commentary doesn't change anything. Nice try.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:26
@cro mag- well i fugured its better than trying to convince others that gsp can manage to take down a much bigger fighter like silva. if matt serra can drop him what do u figure silva can do having hands alot faster than serra. I mean are u saying because silva isnt entertaining he's weak now? i guarantee you he isnt gonna be taken down like a pussy ass hardy. gsp is explosive but silva's still got hands fast enough to catch him coming in. so i dont know what the fuck your talking about.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:30
@Häkkiperuna well said brother I dont agree 100 percent about silva but ur close. no this is not an entertainment business it is a sport. WWE is entertainment, if you want plot twists and drama go to wwe . I hate when people start talking like men with paper asses. My short version. BJ got fucked and Silva really needs tougher opponents Miaia is a scrub. i could see Nate fighting silva before Miaia. Cro Mag get back on wow and leave the grown folks to their discussion....J/k but really is that from WOW?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:38
@ Armfarmer - good comments. I gotta agree with DW in that if Silva is so fucking good (and I think he is), then he should be pulling a Tyson and knocking muhfuhs out in 2 min or less. Pulling the crap he did was gay. If you're gonna call a guy on and point at the ground directly in front of your feet, then you're obligated to knock that opponent the fuck out as soon as he steps forward to you. A million-plus people waited for that and were let down. He ran away so much that Maia had to call Silva out a few times in the closing rounds. Soooooooo... fuck Anderson Silva. As for BJ losing, that might have been the judges' hive mind still feeling guilty for fucking Shogun Rua out of a righteous win, so they decided to not do that again. Maybe.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:40
@ Lorenzoe If Silva cuts weight to 170 he will look like a crack head and have no energy to be explosive or go the distance. That's what I'm talking about, or is that too outlandish for you to comprehend?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:48
@mmainmyblood What the fuck is wow?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:50
I blame the moron who put him in there with Maia
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:50
I remember Silva at 174 fighting Okami he looked like a Just got off a train leaving Dacau. If he drops to 170 I really think It could cause him problems, Im not going to pretend to be an expert but Gsp is at his weight, Silva would be in unfamiliar waters there. He is the spider tho, and clearly wants to give the fans what they want or else he would not consider it. DW and Joe silva are the only ones holding him back. I think yesterday is his way of saying stop giving me tomato cans. I mean hey he is the Champ and its the challengers job to take the belt. Why should he put himself at risk to lose the belt when the guy he is fighting cannot take it from him? Hell Miaia did one hell of a Cote impression i think. Without the knee being blown out of course.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:52
@ Kimbo that would be Joe Silva, the ufc match maker. Looks like he may be losing his touch.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:57
@ ArmbarQB EXACTLY. Everyone can shut the fuck up now.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:58
Bottom line is this anyone that didnt see this coming is either A) new to the sport, or B) a complete moron. Maia did not even deserve the shot in the first place. There is a reason for that. The only two possibilities that made any sense would have been Belfort or like someone earlier said a LHW fight and make it the co main event so the UFC cant blame silva for all of this. After all they made the GD match. Styles make matches and Maia is not the type that has any style on the feet... someone that beats silva will be amazing with the hands and have a hard chin. They will also have a good bjj defense. Maia has only one of those. 1 of 3 will not cut it.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:58
anybody notice that when maia actually engaged silva he got the better of the exchange ? (in the 5th round)
Sun, 04/11/10 - 12:59
The way I see it, He gets like this because he wants someone to actually fight him. He was practically begging Maia to advance and be aggressive and bring the fight. When he finally did in the 5th, did you see how stoked and appreciative Silva got? I think he just wants a competitive fight because he hasn't really had one since he came to the UFC. He has nothing to prove, he is and always will be the best, its not his fault that no one will bring the fight to him. Luckily, unless DW drops him, I know Vitor will bring it, and im pretty sure Chael will too, we will find out.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:01
Once again, if the statement he's trying to make is "stop giving me tomato cans" then he should have crushed that can in the first minute of the fight. Going 5 rounds without finishing your opponent and winning a decision does not send that statement. Taunting your opponenet and then running away from them when they try to engage to does not make that statement. If you want to show that your opponent is inferior you don't spend the whole fight avoiding him. The only statement Silva made is "everyone look at me showboat and then run away.. look at me I want attention because I'm a brat". That's the only statement I got.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:03
Silva, GSP and Fedor are the 3 best P4P fighters, the 3 best fighters in their prospective weight class and 3 of the baddest dudes on the planet. I'm a fan of all 3 and will watch all 3 fight anytime and for any organization. Their order of who is the truly best is up for debate but they are the very best. I only have ONE question CP NATION.....why doesn't GSP or Fedor ever showboat, tap the ground/kneel down, punch their own chest to engage, open their arms, hold their arms by their side??????
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:03
Everyone who keeps saying the UFC needs to stop giving Anderson Silva "bullshit fights" should realize Silva vs. Maia became a bullshit fight when Silva started running away during the last two rounds. If Silva would have finished Maia in the second or third round, no one would be complaining. People aren't angry about Silva avoiding Maia's BJJ. They're angry because Silva taunted Maia for being "afraid" to exchange blows. Then when Maia went for broke in the last two rounds, Silva just spent the whole time running away.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:04
@ArmbarQB Sorry I cant disagree more when I heard that this fight was being made I almost laughed out of my seat. The very fact that maia waited till the last two rounds to mount any type of meaningful offense is what made this fight bullshit. Honestly I would not be the least bit surprised that if Silva thought, "hey Ive got this one in the bag my opponent is afraid to attack, his nose is broke and his eye is swollen shut let me do him a favor and stay away for a bit. Ill use his same tactic. Ill run like he did the first three rounds....Hmmm most likely not but hey Maia didn't deserve the shot and anyone who believes he did is a complete idiot.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:09
@MMA Mafia Its called class. You were either taught it growing up or your a classless bastard. It falls on your parents shoulders for that one. GSP growing up poor in canada...his parents did him proud. Fedor has no bravado as far as im concerned class act all the way. Silva a product of brazil...hell its practically the wild west over there. But hey he is probably one of the good guys in Brazil.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:10
oh and anyone saying maia didn't deserve a title shot: remember that silva got a title shot after only beating chris leben.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:12
silva did look bad at 174 but he faught good (until of course he got dq'd for knocking out okami). can he do it again. he thinks so. and i obviously dont doubt silva. @cro mag- u were convinced gsp'd beat silva after this fight with maia u said. which one can only assume from u saying that that u weren't convinced before. so now u figure the weight cut might be a problem. i dont see how his performance from fighting maia changes his size. maybe your just jumping on gsp's dick because silva didn't satisfy your needs last night. literal and figuratively of course.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:13
@ MMAINMYBLOOD I don't think anyone is complaining about the "counter striker vs. the bjj" match-up. I don't see anyone writing that they thought Maia was on Silva's level. They're pissed because Silva turned it into a soap opera instead of a fight. Silva could have just jabbed the shit out of Maia (ala Kenny Florian vs. Gomi) for the final two rounds, shown his "dominance" and I think people would have accepted it. People love showboating when you back it up, but when you showboat like Silva did and don't do anything after it, it's kind of like a chick saying "come home with me" and then kicking you out once you get there.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:13
I am no longer a fan of Silva. I am an even bigger fan of Maia then I was before though. It's on Silva to finish his fights, no one else. No one else is at fault. Silva has a history of this behavior and once the song and dance is over, he can' finish the fight. His only wins of late are over aggressive, sloppy opponents. He is almost entirely a counter-striker at this point in his game, he seems unwilling to engage in any conclusive way against anyone who isn't willing to strike him first. Taking the DEFENSE in Title Defense a little too seriously. A good way to start losing decisions. Any good will Silva had, has been pissed away, and only the most hardcore of Silva fanboys will remain on The Spider's side at this point. Good riddance. I didn't even pay for it this time, I just watched the live stream but I STILL feel cheated.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:14
@MMAINMYBLOOD Thank you. My point exactly good sir. GSP and Fedor fight who ever is in front of them and try their very best to try and finish their opponent. They don't have to dance around like a fucking monkey. They just fight.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:15
It's just baffling to me that so many people are defending Silva. Seriously hook me up with whatever you guys are smokin. You guys realize that the odds on Frankie Edgar and Dan Hardy were the same as the odds on Mia? You know "mismatches" happen all the time right? So any time the fight isn't a close match up that means it's ok for the favorite to be disrespectful, taunt his opponent for not engaging, and then refuse to engage himself? Like seriously I just can't wrap my mind around where you guys are coming from. That behavior was completely unsportsmanlike, immature, childish.. it was not cool. On top of that it really wasn't that bad of a matchup, and if Silva actually fought the dude he did run a risk of losing.. which is probably why he refused to fuckin fight him. How can you use "he needs a challenge" argument when he refuses to challenge himself. If he wanted a challenge then maybe he could try fighting the opponent that's in the cage with him?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:18
@ithertz that is true genious but if you look at Leben at that point he was a UFC favorite and riding a six fight win streak, over the likes of a, Radach, Cote and Fiorivante. He didnt just get blown the fuck out by nate the great and fight Dan fuckin miller and get a decision. Get the fuck outta here with that weak shit.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:21
Maybe Anderson Silva doesn't realize that he is disrespecting the sport of MMA by his antics in the Octagon. If Demian Maia is such an inferior opponet, or that he thinks that he disrespected him, then why not defeat him with more authority?? I think that Silva has become too big for his britches. His ego is overshadowing the GOD given talent that he posseses. At his lowest point, Mike Tyson fought harder in defeat than Silva did in victory! He disrespectfully toyed with Forrest Griffin before knocking him out! I'm more than happy to lay down 50 dollars for a night of knockouts, not a bunch of pussy footing around! I think that Silva should be stripped of his belt and suspended or fired! Try Strike Force. Go fight fedor and see if this shit will fly!!
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:31
Hey Guys I'm not blaming the ufc completely here...I'm just saying they set the fucking trap and then got pissed off when they tripped on it. They fucked them selves. Silva is to blame of course but not all the way. He didn't book the match and he didn't refuse to engage the first three rounds...Maia is as to blame as well. The ufc is to blame in putting what I thought a shitty match together. Mix all the ingredients together and this is the big shit cake you get. Sorry guys its much more than just two dudes get into the octagon and fight there is a lot that goes behind it. Chalk this up as Thales lietes Anderson Silva two...
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:37
I'm with you ArmFarmer. It's about respect ladies and gentlemen. If you want it you gotta earn it. Silva lost any respect I will ever have for him as a fighter, a man, or an ambassador of the sport when he started clowning and running around - turning the fight into a god damned circus act. No class. None whatsoever. edited: rangerexxx makes a great point here as well.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:38
Yes Silva fought well against Okami but hey lets be real here, that was 4 years ago. Silva hasn't seen 174 since the weigh in for that fight. I'm not saying he cant do it or he will fight like shit, I'm saying there are serious doubts that he can be the elite Spider that once was against the elite welter in the world at this moment. Silva would be favored in that fight but I would not be the least bit surprised if Gsp ground out a unanimous d.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:40
Lorenzoe. You need to do better than that if you want to present a decent argument. Silva would be at a disadvantage at 170 and GSP would not fall for Silva's bullshit games. Talking about fighters dicks doesn't win you an argument....Fuck tard.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:41
@mmainmyblood- agreed.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:43
"sorry guys its much more than just two dudes get into the octagon and fight" Um no it's really not, not once those cage doors close. Once the fight starts that's all it is and that's all that matters. None of that bullshit you are talking about should mean dick once the cage is closed because at that point it's just two guys in there to do their job. Not a guy there to do his job and another guy there to sulk and act like a baby because he didn't get his way. You are basically blaming ufc because you think the ufc should know that Silva is a drama queen and that they should expect him to pull this kind of shit. The ufc shouldn't have to cater to a fighter, they shouldn't have to say "yeah we'd like to make this fight, but we can't because Silva will probably throw a hissy fit and ruin the pay per view." That's not how it's suppose to work.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:45
@ArmFarmer ok buddy you got me there... but you also missed my point or ignored it. when they get in the octagon yes yes yes...ur right...but .....never mind buddy keep hatin. Hey ill say it silva has no class... but talent he is not lacking. he is currently on a twelve fight win streak. The last time he lost was a bs DQ...and before that a miracle heel hook in pride. The last time he was defeated soundly was June 2003!!!! For fuck sake if that was me, A) I would be offended that they try to throw Maia in the octagon with me. B) I wouldnt be here chatting with you guys either .
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:54
@Armfarmer In case you missed it there buddy. Silva is the Elite Middle weight champion in the world. Take any middle weight champion from any mma organization and put them in the cage ring parking lot..it doesn't matter. Silva will beat them. So I can see where he is disrespected about having to fight Maia, If I was the Spider I would have said give me a more worthy opponent. I'm the same way, if its not challenging I don't try. Maybe its a character flaw but is anyone perfect? The better the opponent the better the fight for Silva. Franklin, Hendo, Griffin(hate to throw him in there but hey he was champ). All good fights I think.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:56
Honestly the heavy weight equivalent of this fight is Fedor vs Mustapha al Turk!!!!! doesn't that sound shitty??
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:57
hey don't get me wrong i love JIU JITSU i'm a purple belt in it . but if you are going to get someone to the ground do something don't just win by taking guys to the ground 5 our 8 time per round...... GSP only had 2 our 3 submission attempts..... if GSP was so good as many people say he is trust me he would agree to fight Anderson Silva by now Silva ran for the last few round cuz MAIA was a JOKE for him
Sun, 04/11/10 - 01:58
@cro mag- i wasnt trying to win an argument simply by insulting u, but u seem to think so and yet u end it by insulting me. u did change ur mind apparently about the fight after being discouraged by his bad performance and u used his weight as the reason. again bad performance= gsp can now beat his ass....OK. ur looking at one of the fighters and not both. gsp doesnt have the reach advantage but he is more explosive. he isnt exactly known for knocking people out, obviously silva is. he's got great takedowns, silvas got good takedown defense, and gsp would also have to watch out for his striking. i think it would be a great fight depending on how silva cuts weight. im just not doubting him based on last nights fight.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:02
From 3:34 and onwards in that video, it sounds like Dana's talking about the various late night encounters he's had with "uncle Andy" in the treehouse.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:02
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Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:04
@mmainmyblood I already stated in an earlier comment that I think Silva is the pfp best. I'm not arguing his skill at all, it's his ego and poor sportsmanship that pisses me off. You don't see Penn, Fedor, or GSP taunting their opponents or running away even when it is a squash match. That's all I'm saying, the dude has no respect for his opponent, the fans, or his employers. If he's trying to make a statement that he's too good to be in the cage with someone then he needs to make the kind of statements he did against Forrest and Franklin, putting guys away in the first round in devistating fashion. That's making a statement. In my opinion, acting like a jackass while winning a 5 round decision doesn't make that statement. That's all I'm saying.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:08
@SavioJBA agreed with thee Joke part but hey GSp... don't be so rough on the guy. His background is not BJJ its Karate. He didn't even get his black-belt till 2008. He is not a Bjj ace, which to me is another way of saying a guy cant strike for shit. He is as well rounded as a welter comes in the UFC that's fo sho!!
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:08
Lorenzoe. I simply got annoyed by what I perceived to be Silva's blatant arrogance and I made the comment to point out that he shouldn't be so sure about his unmatched superiority at every weight class. I hope this clears things up a bit.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:11
@mmainmyblood If Fedor fought Al Turk it would be a waste of time, but I'd bet the house that you wouldn't see Fedor disrespect his opponnet, dance around, taunt him, or go to a decision. I doubt you disagree with that. Also, that's not a good comparison because on paper Mia did have one skill set advantage over Anderson. @Saviojba Your opponent is a joke to you, so therefore you run away from him and refuse to fight? Where's the logic there? If I were put in a mismatch and I thought my opponent was a joke I'd sure as hell not want to win by decision because what does that make me if I can't finish a joke of an opponent? If a step up in competition was what I desired then logic would tell me that I probably want to finish this fight.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:11
lol at you faggots who payed $50 for the fight and didn't enjoy it, I watched it for free and had a blast :)
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:14
@ArmFarmer understood, unfortunately not everyone sees it your way. Silva is prolly pissed at the frequency of inadequate opponents and then acts out like this. Im not saying its right but I can see why he is doing this. UFC needs to sit this guy down and have a serious talk with him. Not spout off at the mouth about how embarrassed they are about him. I don't care either way but Dana is one unprofessional mfer. What happens when Dana pisses him off and he wants to leave ufc? The Middle weight div. is bare bones already after hendo left... they asked wandy to move down because its so. They should handle shit different.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:16
anderson had every right to do that shit, the ufc disrespected him by making that fight. maia had no right even being in the same ring as silva , especially for a title fight. AND if any of you idiots knew the story behind this fight you'd have more understanding, damian used to train with anderson at black house, where they were friends and training partners. anderson took this as a slight against his gym, friends and himself personally, that is why he went out of his way to act like that in the fight . to make A POINT. SILVA destroyed maia when he wanted to, case proven, quit fucking whining or quit buying ppv cards and believing shit as ridiculous like maia even posing a minimal chance of an entertaining fight with anderson. only reason dana's made is cus it made him look bad for the the towel heads who droped 10% interest into the ufc. he protects his money the best he can. let's hear some thoughts from someone with intelligence or experience in mma, preferably anyone whose put foot in a ring. not you fucking " CAGEPOTATO's"
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:18
@ armfarmer Oh agreed whole heartedly. Fedor is the man. But what I meant with the whole analogy is that Alturk is as one dimensional is Maia. Thats as far as the analogy goes tho. Maia is not even close to being well rounded enough to challenge for the belt. BTW do you really believe Maia deserved a shot at the title?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:20
@cro mag- and i was just explaining why i think things went down the way they did. so that people wouldnt just think silva is stupid for not attacking and why he gave up in the 4th could possibly be discrediting maia, and several other things etc.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:22
@cloiselle I agree with a lot of what you just said but it doesn't change the fact that you sir are a major DOUCHE BAG!!!!! Go back to beating up kids waiting for the ice cream truck to drive by. You are not wanted here.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:26
why dont you faggots admit that if anderson was so busy " disrespecting " mma damian would have had the chance to finish him ? damian made no attempts to to anything. period. pure dominace , let the champ have some fun. anderson did a royce gracie impression for fucks sake in a championship fight, and didnt get hit or taken down during it. maia had nothing. accept it.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:31
@mmainmyblood- he might not have deserved a title shot. but he beat the #1 contender sonnen, belfort was injured, so was marquart. maia lost to marquart jumping into a superman punch. not exactly the easiest thing to stay conscious from that. marquarts timing and accuracy was great. I think maia did do good somewhat with what little chance he had. im sure u kno this, just felt maybe u'd think again with maia. silvas to blame for his action. nxt time just fuck up whoever they put infront of u and everyone goes home happy....except whoever gets fucked up....he'll be pretty sad probably.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:36
@ all silva nuthuggers I wasn't blaming Silva for the Leites fight being boring, that one was Leites fault for pulling guard every time Silva closed in. I am blaming Silva for making his fight with Maia boring. I feel he fought cowardly. He would taunt Maia, only to back away when Maia approached him. Then after watching the fight a second time I noticed this wasn't just in the later rounds, Silva was backing away the entire fight. That's just hypocritical. It's like when Penn said he was going to fight GSP to the death, only to throw in the towel. If you're gonna talk the talk, you better walk the walk.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:38
OK, who didn't see this coming? Sure, no one could've known it would turn out THAT bad... but after the Leites fight, I just have to question how in the fuck the UFC could possibly risk putting another unworthy one-dimensional BJJ guy against Silva. It's un-fucking-real. What the FUCK were they thinking?? Why on earth would they ever risk another catastrophe like that again, at Abu Dahbi no less! An absolutely horrible, horrible business decision. LOL WTF UFC?!?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:40
As a side note, I seriously thought Anderson was one terrifying gyration away from flinging his own shit at Maia. That guy is absolutely, 100% completely, batshit insane.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:41
you are a faggot, how about the time when anderson stood there with his hands down, slapping the ground begging maia to come in and fight ? or when he was crawling around on the ground, begging maia to come fight, or when he was doing a royce gracie impressiont, or doing capoera , or just standing there. maia was the pussy for the entire fight who tried nothing and brought nothing to the table. dumb mother fucker
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:46
@cloiselle are you 5 feet tall and suffering from small man syndrome, cause you sure are one angry person?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:48
6'2" - 170 lbs, i'll be at the golden gloves in chicago this year if you want to say whats up :) in the ring , not the crowd bitch
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:50
@mmainmyblood No, but I believe that given the available options Maia was the next best choice. He only has one loss and a bunch of impressive submission wins, and he made easy work of the guy that just tooled Nate Marquardt. Throw in the fact that if anyone has a chance of subbing Silva it's him, and I don't think it's that far fetched that he get a shot. I don't think Frankie really deserved a shot either after losing to Maynard, coupled with the fact that on paper Frankie didn't have a single advantage over Penn.. and he should probably be fighting at 145lb anyway. Now he's the lw champ. The fact is gsp, penn, and silva have run through their divisions at this point and they are just running out of worthy challengers, but at the same time you can't just stop having title fights. It's not the easiest situation to be in and they just have to do the best they can to come up with title fights. Regardless of all the other shit going on behind the scenes, I stick to my point that once the cage is closed none of that matters anymore and you should just do your job and do it to the best of your ability. If you are upset about the matchmaking then the last time and place for you to deal with it is in the middle of the cage in the main event of a payperview. Also, for the record I don't blame Silva for the Leites fight, only this one. It's hard to fight your opponent when he just flops on the ground every time you approach. Maia wasn't doing that though, Maia was trying to fight him.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:51
@Lorenzoe553 I understand all of that but hey Sonnen lost to Horn who lost Nate the Great. It all doesn't make sense but I personally feel that the supposed number three MW gets a crack at the title, When the clear number two guy Nate the Great is good to go, is bs. Chael was injured but the UFC is not afraid to make rematches. What gives Tito Chuck 3??? But they cant do Nate Silva 2? No doubt that would have been a much better fight than Silva maia and in my book more deserved. If strikeforce can give rodgers a title shot after getting raped, then the Ufc can give a lay and pray victim a shot at middleweight gold.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:51
Cloiselle will you shut the fuck up already.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 02:57
cloiselle Says: Sun, 04/11/2010 - 21:35 you're an idiot, it's a sport . all senseless people and fans like you want to see is two idiots going at it with reckless abandon for youre pure entertainment. what a fucking troll. any really fighter or martial artist knows its a sport and in that context what happened is perfectly understandable. he had no challenge , had to take no risk and simply did all that was necessary to win. had maia been a real threat he would have taken care of buisiness. but why put yourself at unecessary risk for some random fucking shit to happen when you dont have to. why let maia possibly land a freak shot and ruin his perfect record or legacy when he could just stay outside and pick him apart, and all his dancing around, hiding behind big dan, slapping the ground and other shit was added to make it more entertaining the way i see it. mindless idiots like you who buy an affliction shirt and say they're legit mma fans dont understand anything about real fighting vs. mma competition. what if chuck walked in there against rashad and fought smart, instead of fighting with reckless abandon like he did? he'd probably have found a home for a counter and won instead of getting ko'd, same goes with wanderlei, gsp and other great fighters. do you see randy going in and swinging like an ass just to entertain ? nope its all stalling on the fence and very paced boxing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- this and every stupid statement you have made since just adds up to proving every ones point, you are a fucking dumbass. Everything you say applys to what dana White and REAL MMA fans feel about Anderson right now, everything you defend that piece of shit monkey about we see it as bullshit, you and dumb fucks like you can't see reality if it bit you. The reality is all his antics got him was in trouble, and I hope you follow in his footsteps and get fired from your job. Go ahead apply his stupidity to your life, I hope you do. If all you want is some jackoff acting a goddamn fool you really need to check out wrasslin, it is right up your alley. You don't even know the definition of troll you fucking moron. Maia had as much right to be there fighting than anyone else who isnt hurt, and from what I saw yesterday Maia was the better fighter, and Silva was the better circus clown circle jerk fucktard. Nothing he did short of throwing a flying knee was anything a reall mixed martial artist would do, the facts are to strong against him, and you, NOBODY.....NOBODY, and fucking NOBODY pulls that shit but him, and I bet he wont do it again and keep his job. So cum on yourself all you want cause you like fuckheads like anderson or Brock who are disgrace, their time is coming, and hopefully we wont have to listen to dumb assholes like you spew their window licking stupidity on this hub.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:00
@armfarmer Oh I admit Maia tried to fight him in the last round but when silva challenged him he pulled a cote and stood there with his hands up bouncing around throwing no leather. That's where I blame Maia. Hell they are both to blame, I agree with the whole disrespecting mma thing but again its just a flaw of silvas. Maybe he couldn't believe that there was another challenger that was going to stand in front of him and do nothing. But for every one to blame silva alone is absurd. Remember he is champion. Therefore challengers need to take his title. He doesnt have to beat anyone they have to beat him. If he feels that the judges scores are going to favor him everytime and its a gamble he can live with then hey its on him. Ask Penn and Rua the judges are not always friendly.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:04
cloiselle Says: Mon, 04/12/2010 - 00:48 6'2" - 170 lbs, i'll be at the golden gloves in chicago this year if you want to say whats up :) in the ring , not the crowd bitch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- listen will your boss give you some time off from carrying the slop bucket? If so I will gladly come by and break your little skinny ass in half .....that is if you dont have any other excuses, or maybe Anderson is coming by to suck your dick for all your fine fine work you have done here.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:05
@mmainmyblood- lets not start with rogers overeem bullshit. we're both better than that. maia had a good record leading up to marquart. he was coming off a win and he hadnt already fought/lost to silva. marquart was coming off a loss. he probably wouldve been a better fight for silva, i agree. but its business. u dont want a fighter coming off a loss fighting for a title. because if he miraculously won, most people would think "what the fuck? he just got dominated by this other guy." and then u have people wondering if the ufc championship title is worth anything. bad business dont u think.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:09
@dragonkills- well said
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:11
I never have liked Silva and I don't really care who he's in there against. You can't blame Maia, Leites, or any of the others for what you do. They choose not to engage? Fine... go beat their ass and go home. I try to imagine that mentality in another sport being brushed off or justified. How about any team in the NFL that has to play the Lions just go out and do nothing but onside kicks, laterals, let the punter be QB... or maybe just take a knee four downs in a row over and over. I'm alone on this, I know, but if you're being paid to go fight - whether you're some supposed p4p best in the world or not - go fight. Dana can be a prick sometimes, but he's not wrong here. He's even kept a lot of guys who lose but really put out [like another guy named Silva I can think of]. If fans want to see you fight, win or lose, you have a home in the UFC because it equals money. Anderson Silva... I thank you for again proving everything I say about you and hopefully taking another step closer to the exit, you turd.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:13
Yeah really bad business... but so was making the Chael Sonnen Nate the Great fight. In my eyes Nate already earned a title shot with his destruction of Maia. Honestly the only one that deserved the shot was him. I wasnt impressed with Sonnen at all. He just layed on top of him for three rounds. If you looked at the faces you woulda thought Nate won in spectacular fashion. Bottom Line is Im getting fed up with the ufc making these shitty fights because they dont have a legit contender. Sonnen got tapped by sobral and horn and probably woulda lost to silva too. But Mai by no means has earned anything in my book. He had a devastating loss to Nate and ground out a boring fight against dan miller...Dan miller. Come on he beat a nobody that wont be in the ufc in two years anyway.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:17
I meant Miller wont be in the ufc in two years... Maia probably will be tho. But I agree with you Lorenzoe553 I just love the sport so much I sometimes feel they should let me make the matches!!!
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:18
@ cloiselle-"6'2" - 170 lbs, i'll be at the golden gloves in chicago this year if you want to say whats up :) in the ring , not the crowd bitch" Chicago Golden Gloves started in March and ended yesterday April 10th, sorry to rain your parade. Maybe 2011 though, huh? Now i'll log off cuz I feel cross-eyed from reading 100+ posts.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:21
go watch the fight again kids, it was over before the third round started . to qoute joe rogan " andersons a real life bruce lee " what can damian do " his accuracy is unbelievable " damians just quick enough " you faggots need to learn what complete dominace is . gsp laying and praying isn't that shit either. hey another rogan quote " this must be terrifying for damian maia, completely outclassed, the guysscreaming at you to do something and then hitting you literally 100 percent of the time he wants to . this is like muhammad ali going whats my name " yeah, times ten" wait, did you guys miss that pure dominance or what ? what the fuck were you watching again ?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:21
go watch the fight again kids, it was over before the third round started . to qoute joe rogan " andersons a real life bruce lee " what can damian do " his accuracy is unbelievable " damians just quick enough " you faggots need to learn what complete dominance is . gsp laying and praying isn't that shit either. hey another rogan quote " this must be terrifying for damian maia, completely outclassed, the guysscreaming at you to do something and then hitting you literally 100 percent of the time he wants to . this is like muhammad ali going whats my name " yeah, times ten" wait, did you guys miss that pure dominance or what ? what the fuck were you watching again ?
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:22
@mmainmyblood- agreed. but like i said before (compliments on marquart) great timing and accuracy. marquart wouldve been better but again he lost and maia won(shitty as it looked).
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:30
@cloiselle UFC had him set to fight a worthy opponent in Belfort, but he got hurt. Sonnen, by way of beating Nate, was next in line but wasn't an option either after having just fought and also having an injury. There really weren't many other options. The way I see it, if it wasn't Maia, it was a LHW or cancel the fight altogether. Since you seem to be some kind of MMA god, who would you have matched him up with? You act like Joe and DW intentionally put him in there against an inferior opponent, but that's just not the way it went down. And for the record, no one, not even A. Silva, has the right to act like that in the ring, octogon or otherwise. It's a privledge for them to get in there, showcase thier talent and make decent money doing it. Then you make a statement claiming it's his right to act like that?? I can't believe I'm engaging in this conversation. I'm getting baited by a troll...
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:31
@cloiselle Please stop typing your useless shit on this site. And by the way you got busted the fuck up golden gloves...lolpfffft that shit dont work anymore son.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 03:46
I didn't think the fight was that bad. But then I enjoy Rashads dancing antics too. :) But if UFC doesn't like it then its kinda their fault for wanting their cake and eat it too. They want Silva as a trophy champion who's undefeated and the best 185 in the sport. They dont want to lose that for him to challenge himself in other weight classes and possibly take a loss or be just another contender. They need to go ahead and take him out of the mylar pouch. I'd be satisfied just watching him have good fights @ 205 without fighting for the belt as long as Machida has it. It would even be interesting to see how he would try to manage those fucking monsters at HW. He'd probably be faster then them. BTW, after watching the B-hop/RJJ fight last weekend I think that silva really might be able to beat him now. RJJ looked like shit!
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:01
all of this being right is kind of childish. there is more than a single truth in this conversation... * ufc had reasons for hyping maia vs silva besides money, but those reasons did not include "the fans want this fight". * the promoter is always responsible for the product he is selling. * the challenger was not on the champion's level and the fight was never worthy of main event status. * the challenger said it was his dream to fight for the belt and that he had nothing to lose. * the champion said he was going to dominate and finish the fight. * the challenger never tried to seriously engage with the champion. * the champion never tried to seriously finish the challenger. * the champion wasted an opportunity to show his dominance by not finishing the challenger. * the champion questioned the challenger's martial arts background. * the champion said he felt disrespected by the challenger and also that he does not fight to hurt people. * the champion has the right to his considerations(eventhough it is hogwash). all of these are true statements regarding maia vs silva at ufc 112. however, 80% of these statements are also true about champ(gsp) and challenger(hardy) at ufc 111.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:02
Hate on you guys with 6+ posts in this thread making my comment on page 3. Telling people they are idiots and to shut the fuck up is not discussion, so why are you bothering? The people who it is intended for will only certainly reply, and for everyone else it's annoying to see. Anderson Silva spent ten to fifteen minutes of his Championship fight auditioning for Dancing With the Stars and he still found time to mangle Maia and win the fight. Don't be angry he's planning for his retirement. The only feelings I have are humiliation for Maia and bitterness I didn't get to see more undercard fights. Watching Silva fight is a privilege I don't take for granted, nor have I forgotten how he demolished Griffin. How soon others forget.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:03
@cloiselle wow, dude. you're truly awesome. the way you can get a hundred people all aligned against you in seconds like that. your commentary and analysis are peerless as well. i can see that in your opinion if joe rogan said it, then it's fucking gospel. remember that joe rogan is a comedian, a fighter, and an amateur BJJ practitioner. doesn't matter how good he is, he's not a fucking competitor, so don't get up on that horse and make an even bigger fool of yourself. also, if you truly think that gsp is all about lay n' pray, ask matt hughes, matt serra, josh koschek, bj penn and john fitch about how much lay and pray he does. consider that bj's corner had to throw the towel in because he couldn't continue. after gsp beating the shit out of him for 4 rounds. or go and give matt serra's ribs an interview. if you call that lay n pray, then good luck with the golden gloves shit. your mentioning that just ID'd you as the douchebag who has less than 4 months training so now you think you're hard as fuck and on your way to the UFC or something. listen up, fucko- just 'cause your mom tells you you're awesome doesn't make it so.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:12
I also have to say I love how Dana handled it. Not spinning it, not defending it. Just being as disgusted as some of his fans. I doubt there's anything in Silva's contract about being championship fights, so I say give him Nate Quarry and Chris Leben on the undercard somewhere and be done with that Mickey Mouse-sounding piece of poop.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:13
Maia's fight with Anderson came 2 fights too early. He was just not good enough to pose any threat in stand up (to cause an opening for submission). Either Nate, Chael, or Vitor would have stood as much better opponents.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:18
@ Charming Forrest was fighting Anderson while under the influence of Ludes (non-banned drug). As a result, he came out guns blazing and reckless (something he does only after 2 rounds or so). His fight wither Anderson was a humiliating one because he was being stupid, not because Anderson is a world-destroyer. If he was, he'd have put Maia away in the 1st round.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:46
I loved Silva Showboating in the first two rounds, but then he seemd to die on his ass! was his cardio out!? Nothing wrong with some entertaining showboating! But you gotta back that shit up with a KO!
Sun, 04/11/10 - 04:50
Holy crap you guys are long winded today. Blah blah blah... Silvas a faggot.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 05:11
@iDestroy...I just didn't feel like that phrase summed up all the d-baggery Silva displayed, but I'll take it for a 3-word summation.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 06:52
Here's an idea for DW in making it up to the fans that payed damn near 60 dollars to watch the supposedly greatest pound for pound fighter run around the ring like a fool saving face. TAKE HIS BELT AWAY (and give me my money back)! People want to see Silva attack and not sit around then take his belt and make him fight again for it. If he's so good he should've stepped up and just ended the fight in the first 3 minutes. Plus the viewers would've been able to see the bloody fight that occured earlier which was probably more exciting than wasting 20 minutes watching Silva dance. The GSP fight has nothing on this. GSP did everything he could to finish the fight, armbar, kamura, chokes, while Silva seemed more concerned with his hit percentage.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 06:57
I can't believe I actually agree with DW on something... WOW... he is so right. Silva wasn't being boring on purpose, he's a counter puncher but still he's good... he is talented enough to be aggressive there is no reason he shouldn't have been. Even RJJ in his prime was cocky and showboated with everyone he fought... but after he acted like an ass... he FOUGHT! Silva just acted like an ass the entire fight. What a dick. The man to beat him will have a boxing background. I don't think anyone will take him down, at least not easily. A good striker who knows how to deal with a counter puncher would have the best chance.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 07:41
^^ I'm rewatching the fight right now and I agree. silva is trying to show off and demonstate how much better he is by fooling around. But he's still walking backwards! He's still fighting defensively. It was really irritating to watch him waving Meia in in the second and then back peddling everytime Meia came forward. If your waving him in then fucking hang around when he comes to you. If he's so good that he can afford to goof around he should at least be doing it while moving forwards. If he's so good he should be taking more chances instead of playing it safe.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 07:43
it simple would you like to knock out a grade 6'er if you were in college, because this how it is for AS. He said he would fight in any weight that he could make it into, so why not give him those fights well because DW is businessman and thats not good for business. AS start taking out LHW and HW and also GSP (AS,GSP,CARWIN fav fightes by the way) that is bad for business. i would wanna fight and give DW what he wants either if he was throwing challengers like this at him. DW wants AS to get KO with out having to work for them and that aint AS style.
Sun, 04/11/10 - 07:47
A lot of you guys are overreacting. I am not denying that Silva could have finished Maia very early in the fight, nor am I denying that Silva was doing more dancing in the 4th and 5th than he was fighting but the first 3 rounds were pure dominance. Maia really could have done more though if he wanted that belt. Silva is still probably the best fighter in MMA but it seems as 185 is becoming very dull for him. I doubt this will happen in the next fight but haters will hate and most people will say he sucks from now on like idiots. But anyway if you fools feel the need to let Ed Soares/ Anderson know how you feel, contact them: www(dot)blackhousemma(dot)com/contact--< replace dot with .> Voice: Phone: (310) 598-7276 Fax: (310) 719-3997 email Ed Soares: ed@toughmediainc(dot)com
Sun, 04/11/10 - 09:11
@cloiselle, 6"2 and 170lbs? skinny little streak of shit aren't you. 2 final points, Silva's a cunt and so are you. Fuck off
Mon, 04/12/10 - 06:36
I'm in the "if you're so damn good then show us how good you are by finishing fools quickly" camp. This isn't basketball... you're not just there to score more points and win. Fighting is supposed to be about finishing the fight and NOT leaving it up to the judges. Anderson seems scared to get beaten up. He's not aggressive and entertaining enough, and I think his placement on future cards and pay rate to show should reflect it from here on out. BOO.
Mon, 04/12/10 - 09:22
I was entertained more by this fight than 90% of the rest. Sure I would have loved him to continue in the last few rounds like he did the first few.....or finish Mia....but the fact that he didn't certainly doesn't take away from the BAD A** that he showed us in the first couple. Come on...he impersonated like 5 fighters and showed us an 'offensive stanky leg' form! Brilliant! For the record....he ran from Mia scared?........uh,......he outsrtuck Mia in the 4rth and the 5th......wtf are you talking about.
Mon, 04/12/10 - 10:03
I was so confused while watching the fight to see him circling the octagon for the last 2 rounds, Maia's eye was swollen shut, he looked like he just got pounded on for 5 minutes straight by any other fighter, something Silva managed to do in between his comedy routine. I saw it as Silva just basically saying it's pretty clear i beat you so i'm not going to hurt you anymore. Then when I heard the interview with Silva of him saying "Its not a fight, its a sport" it was pretty clear to me thats what it was. Any other sport you get that big of an advantage and you just coast for the rest of the game. If you're killing a team in football, as a runningback are you going to push for every yard-after-contact you can get and risk injury just to dominate them more than you already have. Or as a hockey player if your up 5-0 are you going to finish every hit and work extra hard in every battle in the corner even though the game is pretty much over already? A.S. saw how brutalized Maia already was and stopped fighting, He's not out there to knock people out he just wants to win his fights. Also, I get a feeling that he really really hates Dana White and anything he can do to spite him he's going to.
Mon, 04/12/10 - 01:40
I do believe it's a sport and not just a "fight" but you're still supposed to engage in this sport. Sure if you're up 3 td's in football you may not kill your starters.... but you also won't take a knee in the 3rd quarter. If he just jabbed and threw some leg kicks etc and stayed out of reach it may not be exciting but you can understand his view, but he literally didn't fight. Even as a sport, boxers prepare for 12 rounds in case the fight goes the distance but the goal is still to end it early.
Mon, 04/12/10 - 02:55
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