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Overeem Granted ‘Conditional License’ by NSAC After Completing Random Drug Tests Three Weeks Late

(“Who nearly f*cked up our end-of-year show main event? This f*cking guy, that’s who.”)

During a scheduled Nevada State Athletic Commission meeting Monday, NSAC announced that Alistair Overeem failed to undergo a random drug test ahead of his UFC 141 heavyweight bout with Brock Lesnar and as a result he was granted a “conditional license” by the governing body.

According to commission records, Lesnar attended a hospital within one day of being told to do so on November 17, where blood and urine samples were taken and the results came back negative for both drugs of abuse and anabolic agents. Overeem did not comply with its request to submit specimens on that date, but instead had one of the two requested samples taken one week later.

Prior to the agenda item, the announcement was foreshadowed as NSAC representatives spoke candidly about all of the issues that have arisen in the past when it comes to testing out of competition outside of North America for various reasons.

Props to @LayzietheSavage for the UStream feed of the proceedings.

Here is the timeline of what went down the past month.

• On the November 17 NSAC executive director Keith Kizer called and requested the testing of both fighters.

• Lesnar’s manager immediately called back and asked if it was okay to have the samples taken at a local hospital and was given the green light to do so.

• Overeem’s manager did not return Kizer’s call until the 21st and informed Kizer that Alistair had returned to Holland between the time of the original call and the call from his manager.

• By the time Alistair went to his physician and had a sample taken, it was the 23rd of November, but when the results came back one week later it was discovered that he failed to undergo a required urine test.

• By the timeline given NSAC, concluded that Alistair did not duck the test as he would have been on his way to the airport for his flight home when his manager was called about the test.

• Overeem failed to drop off a urine sample by the date requested (December 2) and finally gave one five days later.

• Alistair blamed the issue on his mother becoming ill and the difference of testing procedures used in the U.S.

• He admitted that the samples were taken by Overeem’s own “sports doctor.”

• Overeem decided to return to Holland after he filmed the UFC 141 Countdown show.

• He claims that he didn’t know about the drug testing request until two or three days after Kizer called his manager, which he clarified is actually his assistant, and that he was not told that he needed to do a urine sample.

• He says he was confused about what the requirements were and that his doctor needed to call around to find a place to have the tests done.

• He bought his plane ticket two days prior to the day he left to go home.

• Alistair said he has given a urine test before when randomly tested and tested after past bouts.

• Assistant Jacob Lamb says they did nothing deceitful and that they thought they were submitting the proper testing protocols.

When all was said and done, NSAC officials after deliberating briefly, granted Overeem’s special “conditional license,” as they collectively felt it was “inappropriate” to deny his license request because of the incident. The main condition, besides that his outstanding urine sample come back clean, are that he submit two random drug tests within the next six months as requested by the commission.

Alistair and the UFC dodged a bullet with this one. Hopefully he doesn’t screw up one of his conditions.

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XENOPHON- December 14, 2011 at 7:55 am
@Casa de los pantelones
yES, I see your point that there are forms designed to nullify size and strength. I think all three or four of you made some excellent points - and each can be defended on their own merits. One of the best MMA threads I've read in a long time.
If CP doesn't step it up, the four of you could do your own version - call it "Studs, Spuds, and Suds" - for the drinking/fighting man.
MediumRare- December 13, 2011 at 4:20 pm
These fucking tools need to leave the fighters alone!
I'd have been way pissed if this Kizer moron had ruined this fight.
They're both on 'roids, or at least have juiced in the past. So fucking what?! They're professional athletes!
Let 'em juice. It isn't a magic potion. They still have to learn to fight and work their asses off in the gym.
All this hand-wringing over some hormones is fucking retarded.
SnackDaddy- December 13, 2011 at 9:30 am
Funny Caption.
Otherwise, too fucking long to bother reading.
CAPTCHA: anelgiv finger... no kidding...
KeithHackneyWindmillPalmStrike- December 13, 2011 at 7:52 am
It should have read

'When all was said and done, NSAC officials after deliberating briefly, granted Overeem’s special “conditional license,” as they collectively felt it was “inappropriate” to deny his license request because A FUCKLOAD OF MONEY IS ON THE LINE AND OVEREEM WAS THREATENING FORCED SODOMY IF HE DIDN'T FIGHT'
ccman- December 13, 2011 at 7:32 am
As I have spouted for years. Overpaid and fighting in "yes we want a sample" land has a very short life span. He ducked that test plain and simple. The instructions are not that tough, he is no rookie, and unless hola d is the new sonnen brazil ( no Internet) or suddenly deem doesn't have an international phone, I'm not buying a word. If bud offered 2 mil to make a promo within those days reem would have been reachable and flapping his arms to get back. As a world travelor it is few and far between I become I reachable and then it is usually 3rd world. Test ducked. Should not get license. Him fighting is a bigger black eye than not moving foward.
Sloppyspray- December 13, 2011 at 7:06 am
I don't see the big deal. They said he submitted a test, but it wasn't a piss test...So that means what? A blood test? a hair sample? Aren't both of those better? I mean, from what I've hear a piss test is fairly useless and the worst method for testing, it's just the cheapest. It's not like he gave them a written test that says. DRUG TEST. Q1) Alistair are you on any performing enhancing drugs? A1) No; Q2) Alistair are you on any recreational drugs? A2) No.
eDrinker- December 13, 2011 at 5:05 am
Rumour has it Lyoto tested it for him, by drinking it
nhfghhvg- December 13, 2011 at 3:12 am
Merry Christmas ,Christmas top gift

Robpd22- December 13, 2011 at 2:26 am
Casa I get where you are coming from but you chose a terrible example. Mir isn't a guy who cuts to 265, he didn't dwarf Nogueira. Most people would have gave the BJJ advantage to Nogueira going into the fight.
I'm sure Nogueira has been in 100's or 1000's of kimura's in practice....against smaller guys. He apparently wasn't used to beeing in a kimura by anybody stronger than him... Or he would have tapped.

Mir is as skilled in BJJ as Nogueira and he is a little stronger. Size/strength mattered in this fight like they matter in every fight.

I really like Mir and even I thought Nogueira had the edge on the ground, this fight proved to me size/strength have even MORE to do with outcome than I thought.

Nobody in the UFC is totally untrained. Every fighter will know how to use there own strengths -even size- to try and decide the fight.
Casa de los pantelones- December 13, 2011 at 12:38 am
Yeah bro, that is pretty gay that you abbreviated those who shall not be named publicly by another man...


Mir is a bad example of size/strength difference. S & S matter, only if you know how to use them. I could be holding the launch codes and firing keys to some IBM's, but if I don't know how to use them, they don't mean shit. Judo and tkd and aikido...all are ways to overcome size and strength. Same goes for BJJ. Put ronnie coleman in a triangle and he will pass out like everyone else would. Put ronnie coleman in an armbar...he may just be able to muscle out of that one.


Position, angles and leverage will null and void s & s any day of the week, unless you are leaps and bounds stronger than your opponent. If nog had some diesel super strong shoulders, he may have been able to stave off the kimura, but the leverage and position were too much for him.
RSparrow- December 12, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Side note: Any idea what the big announcement's gonna be this week?
Xanderschultz- December 12, 2011 at 11:13 pm
@ RwilsonR

Great examples. Size and weight get overstated often when the size and weight differences are marginal at best. And Alistair absolutely has that hair going, and your just a smidgeon gay for abbreviating it, and I'm just a smidgeon gay for knowing exactly who your talking about
RwilsonR- December 12, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Is it just me, or does Alistair have a NKOTB haircut in that picture?
RwilsonR- December 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm
If you don't think size and strength matter, you are crazy. Still, in this sport it is hardly the biggest deciding factor. Frank Mir won and almost lost because of size against Nogueira on Saturday. All of his extra muscle made him slow and gasping for air after a few clinches against the fence with Nog, and left him as a punching bag who was seconds away from being TKO'd by a much smaller guy. Then, his size and strength allowed him to overcome superior technique, maintain position, grab and torque the shit out of a submission for the win.
It can cut both ways... even in one fight.
Xanderschultz- December 12, 2011 at 9:48 pm

Yeah I would definitely prefer Dan to never fight Fedor again. Dude is a bad man and they both have Mace's for hands, but Fedor's are faster. Dan's just pretty dam good at avoiding the full force of bombs. He hides behind his shoulder really well and is allowed to take a more sideways stance than most because his wrestling is so good. That stance is single legs all day for lesser wrestler (or against shields, but Dan was a physical mess for that fight)

As for Silva and Fedor

Fedor usually doesn't weigh that much, and he definitely doesn't possess "good" weight. He weighs 230 something the way I weigh 185, not the way a pro athlete usually weighs what he weighs. Silva on the other hand, takes a huge cut to 265 and is pretty solidly built. Their real disparity is much more than whatever the scales showed the night before. I think sometimes the weigh in numbers don't paint the whole picture. If you objectively looked at both those guys, it's obvious one is a much, much bigger animal than the other.
Casa de los pantelones- December 12, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Brock was def. on the juice in the wwe, but I believe he is clean now, from his body looks. If not clean, he isn't working hard enough. He no longer has that swollen puffy look like he did in the wwe.

Look at Scott Steiners before and after pics. That dude was on some nasty shit to blow up cock diesel like he did, and he paid for it too when his chest atrophied from a torn muscle I believe.

I think you guys are thinking about this way too hard. Everything changes once you get punched in the face, even size differences.
RamboBatman- December 12, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm fine with performance enhancing drugs in MMA. Drawing an arbitrary line between performances enhancers which are legal and those which are not or even between those who may use them and those who may not seems to encourage abuse. If there were no line fighters would be free to decide what they wanted to use for the best results.

I think MMA is special in that steroid use is not necessarily outcome determinative. Given the freedom to choose I think you'd see many fighters vocally speak about still not using steroids, and I don't think there are many fighters who aren't using already who would choose to start. Those that were using when it was illegal would have a much easier time using in a safe manner.
XENOPHON- December 12, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I thought initially the size difference was significant too, but check this out.
Fedor is 35 years old, 6 foot, 240 pounds, and has a 74 inch reach
BigFoot is 32 years old, 6 foot, 4 inches, 265 pounds, and has a 83 inch reach.
Compared to Jones, and the guys Jone has been forced to fight...its right on par with many others.
The difference is 3 years, 4 inches, 25 pounds, and 9 inches in reach.
In Mahcida vs Jones:
Machida is 33 years old, 6 foot-1 inch, 204 pounds, and 74 inches in reach
Jones is 24 years old, 6 foot-4 inch, 205 pounds, and 84.5 inches in reach.
The difference here is 9 years, 3 inches, 1 pound, and 10.5 inches in reach.
I don't know if I would agree with your 2/3rds (33%) rule of thumb. I think in another match with either Werdum, Silva, or Hendo...the tables could be turned. I mean to say Fedor has fought better if not equals, and won decisively.
I am a Fedor I admit to a bias, although I was torn on the Hendo fight. I know Hendo's your boy, but he was in some trouble just before his own punch managed to connect. I only wished that fight would have gone the distance.
Xanderschultz- December 12, 2011 at 9:10 pm

Your comment is on the darker side of things, but yeah, can't get much more obvious roid body examples than these two.

Sucks that dudes like Werdum, who is in good shape and works hard, but is definitely on the in shape human side of things physically, has to deal with these experiments.

On the other hand, I'm way more pumped and will pay more money to see Overeem fight, so count me as an enabler
Todd M- December 12, 2011 at 8:35 pm
So there is chance Overeem's body is NOT just the result of hardwork and horsemeat?
dranokills- December 12, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Both Brock and Reem take, have taken, are still on the roids. period. They have NO fucking neck for one reason.......roids.
They both have strange health problems, cause they are on the roids.
I hope they both punch a hole in each others skull at the same time, and die.
How's that?
Tarmacjohn- December 12, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Being an avid fan and participant in a sport supposedly stocked with dopers, I find this testing humorous. Cycling gets a really bad rap for having all sorts of drug use. The level of testing cyclists go through is easily several layers more complex than this. A cyclist who dodged a collection, as is clearly the case here, would suffer a two year ban.

That being said, I am not 100% sure I want testing in MMA. But if NASC and the UFC are going to pretend their fighters are clean, sham testing like this will cause irreparable damage to the sport in the long run.

Cycling went through this fight for the last two decades and is just now becoming a clean sport. The sport suffered immensely from the doping convictions. Without exaggeration, millions of dollars in sponsorship money have been lost and countless results have been tarnished because of lingering doping allegations. MMA needs to take note of the past mistakes of cycling (and to a lesser extent baseball) to either stop testing or strictly enforce a set of well stated PED rules. If they don't they run a very real risk of appearing lenient when it is convenient for them. Since cycling is an Olympic sport, the pressure was much higher to maintain the integrity of the sport, so running a doping/PED free sport was the only option. But for the long run health of any sport, it seems PED use should be curtailed.
Xanderschultz- December 12, 2011 at 7:54 pm
@ Xeno

IMO the Fedor/ Bigfoot disparity was large enough to make a significant difference. We're talking about one guy only being about 2/3 the size of another. That's enough to trump a superior skill set. When your talking about a 10% difference in size (155 to 170, 170 to 185, 185 to 205) I think weight is an overstated advantage to some other things like Reach, Cardio, Flexibility and Strength (which is not as correlated to size as some people think). 33% on the other hand is a pretty damn big disparity.
XENOPHON- December 12, 2011 at 7:39 pm
As we are of like minds, let me ask you (or others) this.
Much was said about Fedor being too small to fight Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva. I don't think that was the case at all. No doubt he was mounted solid (a big fuck up) by the Bigfoot. Yet, it was the beating he received and the ensuing damage that closed his eye. It was this which ended the fight + maybe the lack of conditioning to get back to his feet.
Fact is it was the referee "Big Dan" that stopped the fight - not the doctor, not the corner, and sure as hell not Fedor.
How often does a ref give instructions to stop a fight, when in between rounds???
NinjaVanish- December 12, 2011 at 7:32 pm
see what I did there?