(Rosenthal, WTF? You made me dump my adrenaline with your sweet talk.)
When Shane Carwin went from the being on the brink of dominantly beating UFC heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar in the first round of their title tilt last Saturday night to feebly succumbing to an arm triangle choke in the second frame, many people were left wondering,"What the hell happened?"
Carwin, who originally claimed that his body locked up as a result of lactic acidosis, now says that his lack of energy to finish Lesnar was a result of a massive adrenaline dump, caused by the instruction of referee Josh Rosenthal.
Carwin explained the interesting series of events that led to his defeat to Heavy.com.
“During the first round, (referee) Josh (Rosenthal) was telling Brock to fight back or he will stop the fight,” explained Carwin, going back over the action from Saturday’s event in Las Vegas. “Every time I heard that, I unloaded a little more and eventually just punched myself out.”
His decline in performance near the end of the first round when he seemed to have the fight in the bag caused many to question his cardio and whether or not working a full time job while training part time was partially to blame for Carwin’s rapid energy depletion.
According to the Trevor Wittman Grudge Training Centre trained fighter says the claim is without merit.
“Anyone who questions my cardio should come and train with me. We trained for a twenty-five minute fight but things go wrong. It happens. I basically had an adrenaline dump towards the end of the first (round) and I was unable to recover in between rounds. I think the biggest factor of the adrenaline dump was hearing Rosenthal say, `Brock I am going to stop it,’ and then not stopping it,” admitted Carwin. “He said it at least three different points in the round, and each time I went for the finish and it never came. It sucked the wind and life out of me.”
Despite the overwhelming consensus that champions need to train as if it’s their job, Carwin thumbs his nose at the notion that he should quit his day job as an engineer if he wants to compete.
“I am surprised by how many people view their jobs as an obstacle to chasing your dreams. The job has allowed me to become the fighter I am today; it has not hindered me in any way. I find it insulting that people do not understand that. Ask any of the pro fighters I train with if they out train me or think I could be a better fighter if I was in the gym more. Fact is I might be the one in the gym the most."
“My life has a structure to it and I include training into that structure,” continued Carwin. “I am not shooting movies, working on TV shows, or working in a 9-5 bank. I am a full-time fighter, full-time engineer, father and husband. My whole life I have been a multi-sport athlete and was always required to do my fair share around the house and in school. The fundamentals of life came before the pursuit of my dreams.”
If he ever gets another chance to fight for the title again, Carwin says he won’t let the opportunity slip him by again, believing he has the tools to disassemble the champ. Recanting on earlier claims that he felt Lesnar "go out" when he connected with punches in the opening stanza, he says that he could have had his hand raised if he had just connected with one bomb.
“If I had it to do all over again I would probably go for it again. If some of those hard blows landed he would have been knocked out. This was the biggest fight of my life and I swung for the fences and came up short. Next time, I won’t falter and I will have my hand raised.”
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Thu, 07/08/10 - 06:33
I believe the man, some will come on here and say otherwise, but they wouldn't say that to his face. He put a wompin on a fully energized Brocken, and the Brocken submitted a sleepy looking Carwin. While a future re-do will be bitchin, there are just so many sweet-ass fights to be had in this HW division, can't wait for any of 'em.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 06:34
lol he trained to go 25 min and punched himself out in less than 5 min and couldnt recover. something is wrong there.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 06:40
I thought you're supposed to train at the highest pace possible so that in the real scenario when it's slower your more comfortable with the speed of things and know you're conditioned to go harder and longer (that's what she said)?
Thu, 07/08/10 - 06:51
Yeah, I lost a little bit of respect for mr. Carwin. Don't come up with excuses. You're no Tito Ortiz.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 06:51
Ok, so he is pretty much saying he gassed. I dont care if you had a massive adrenaline dump. If you had no energy after that, then you gassed. I have listened to postfight interviews with Forrest Griffin and he claims the best thing for him is to have an early fight adrenaline dump to calm him down and focus on his gameplan. Just accept that Rosenthal felt Brock was intelligently defending himself and that you hit him will all you had and he came out the second round and showed everyone that you have no concept of a submission, Shane. I like Carwin, but the more he talks , the more he sounds like any other excuse-making peppergutt. He may have trained to go 25 minutes, but its obvious he didnt train to fight hard for 25 minutes. Oh, and LeBron is going to the Miami Heat
Thu, 07/08/10 - 06:57
Funny that CP has the same trolly headline that BE just changed because it was too trolly I like your mean headlines when they're funnier
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:04
The fight should have been stopped.... rosenthal didnt want to become the next ref that isnt allowed to ref brock's fights. Fuck u brock. Way to take a punch idiot.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:04
Hmm... interesting Shane. But you still lost.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:13
I can't speak for Carwin's condition, but the 'adrenalyn dump' is a real deal. I've had it happen to me during a wrestling match and seen it happen to better conditioned guys.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:14
Maybe Carwin should have employed the Roy Nelson pitter patter punching technique. I think the same thing happened to Carwin that happens to most fighters who pack on a lot of muscle. They over build their frame and then can't get enough oxygen to feed the muscles, and they gas. I suppose Carwins just thinking and over thinking what happened and trying to come to grips with what happened. Plus he did hit Lesnar with a huge elbow when Lesner was on the ground and Lesner didn't seem phased. So, maybe Rosenthal did the exact right thing by letting it go. If Brock moves when the ref says move. Why would it be stopped and, he wasn't hurt. Looked scared as hell but not hurt. Be interesting what Carwin does in his next fight as well, what his opponent does. Maybe just run around for the first 5 minutes.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:20
stfu carwin, i know the odds of him reading this are slim to nothing but by god it was you that tapped like a little bitch cause you did'nt want to get put to sleep. brock took everything you had and smiled at you cause you just could'nt put him away. then he dumps you on your ass and makes you tap like a little sissy. the only excuse you should be using is that brock is the much tougher son of a bitch then you are. POINT BLANK, and thats that. deal with that fact and move on already. your no brock lesnar and never will be. one more thing before i go. WHO'S THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP? lol
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:21
@ Mdot50. Your stupid, he did take Shanes punches, He obviously WASNT out. He got up instantly, wasnt wobbly, and was obviously well enough to submit his opponent. Carwin is a professional fighter, If hes as good as he, and his training partners say he is, then he SHOULD be able to throw punches for 5 minutes, and not look like Scott Junk and Mitrione did on TUF. Losing respect for Carwin, he seemed respectful at the end of the fight, but the more time that goes by, the more excuses hes making.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:23
LOL, buffers legs look retarded.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:49
A lot of you guys are so damn ignorant. He gave a reason for his defeat, admitted defeat, and claimed he came back. That's QUITE a bit different than sitting their baby pouting. And seriously? Are some of you that damn dumb? Did you WATCH the fight? Because I sure did and I RE-WATCHED it. There is NOTHING intelligent about cowering down and curling up. INTELLIGENTLY defending yourself means putting yourself in a different position to take less heat, putting your opponent in guard, or simply getting out of there...for MINUTES Brock was relatively in the exact same position getting BEAT on. That is NOT intelligent. The ref said MULTIPLE times that Brock needs to keep moving or he's going to call it...please don't consider squirming on the ground taking the same punishment moving. He maybe moved a few inches. Some of you people can be so ignorant. That fight should have been called and you're simply dense if you believe otherwise. In BWWs EVERYONE was on their feet knowing the fight was going to be called..even the announcers were screaming Carwins name to follow it up with "..defeats Brock Lesnar!"...it was NO doubt in anyones mind. But the ref didn't call it. "Don't call it unless he's unconscious." I can see Dana saying that to the ref before the fight.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:50
The excuse train has been chugging along ever since Shane gave us all a little, "tappa, tappa, tappa".
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:51
I don't remember seeing lesnar scramble to get up when he had the chance, I do remember seeing him get hit, cover up like a bitch, run backwards, fall down, and get hit some more. Where's the instant rematch(penn, machida) for carwin????????
Thu, 07/08/10 - 07:54
All these comments look like people are wanting to create a reason in there head to like brock and dislike carwin....just because brock won. I saw brock get the shit hit out of him the entire first round, then an extremely tired carwin got caught and submitted by a NCAA div 1 national champ wrestler. Carwin is not crying or making excuses, he is explaining why he feels he lost the fight. Use your brain people....not the left-over monkey shit.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:18
Can't we all just agree that everybody is a douchebag and move on?
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:30
Hey guys, Lifes throws monkey wrenches in everyone's way. Carwin did admit he lost and he gave the reason that he adrenalin dumped. Right. Well if you train for a twenty-five minute fight from November of 2009 to July of 2010. One might figure you would be able to swing for the fences and still have some gas in the tank. Now I am not heckling the mans excuse just trying to logically understand how we can't question his Endurance? I mean I don't know about you guys but I train on a Daily basis for a fifteen minute fight everyday, we work Cardio from ground, striking to ground, tons of Drills that work your arms and build you as a fighter. So I guess being an avid fan and an amateur fighter, I don't buy it.(Oh and I would tell him that to his face:FACT) Shit happens Shane'O Mac is a Humble dude and for that I give him his just dues. I guess its whatever at the end of the day though. Oh and as for defending himself Intelligently his shoulders well covered his head his arms are fucking massive NONE if ANY of those shots scathed him. It's a situation where you say tomato and i say tomato(Get it Hur Hur) Brock didn't turtle your way perhaps you should QQ some more, because I did go back and watch the fight multiple times when Brock was doing the turtle, for a Minute and stood up and pushed shane against the cage at the end of the round. because Injured and hurt fighters get up and have the power to push people against cages when there dazed and hurt. Oh the logic Oh the logic.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:30
1) Carwin has less muscle mass now than he did when he was first fighting...look at his highlight clip...in his first few fights, dude was diesel. 2) Brock was not intelligently defending. He may have not been out, but he wasn't defending properly. How many fights have been stopped because a fighter wasn't 'intelligently' defending himself...then gets up directly after the ref stops it... 3) Aaron Simpson fought Leben and got caught with a shot and as he was trying to get outta dodge, stumbled over himself and fell. The ref stopped the fight over that? And wasn't that rosenthal as well? That was the worst stoppage I have ever seen. 4) A more calm Shane annihilates Lesnar 8/10 times.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:35
@ Almost North AGREED!
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:35
Man, newBen really likes stirring shit up. I read another interview with carwin where he said he didn't blame Rosenthal at all and in fact said he did a great job, and in this interview it sounds to me like he was just explaining why he gassed and not blaming anyone. I think Mike Russ should sit down with Shane, one on one, and apologize for making him seem like a whiner. He should then ask Carwin how tall he really is and tell him that he thinks Shane "the Main Vein" Carwin is a better nickname than the Engineer.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:38
Every fighter knows the best position to be in is full mount. Every fighter knows the worse position to be is in someone elses full mount. Part of the referees job is to keep both fighters protected. If you're in top mount position and raining punches and elbows you obviously have a higher chance of "connecting" with a more dominating blow, not to mention when your opponent isn't fighting back. Referee stoppage is in place to protect the fighter and also to stop a dull fight from continuing if the fighter is only turtling up. Not saying other fighters haven't made it out of someone elses full mount and bucked out of it and gone on to win the fight, but this was the complete opposite of planning an escape or doing anything else other than preventing future plastic surgery. I guess when arm bars are applied and referees notice severe damage but don't call the fight because the fighter doesn't tap then you'll all be happy with that too.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:38
Right! Well to bad he has to climb the totem pole again, Hey why was brock at the after fight interview and shane no where to be found?
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:38
None if any of the shots scathed him? That's why he needed stitches, right? That's why he was bleeding, right? Don't be ignorant, as I said earlier. "because Injured and hurt fighters get up and have the power to push people against cages when there dazed and hurt. Oh the logic Oh the logic." You realize that some fighters become even more dangerous when hurt? You realize that, when faced with a situation where you are being caused harm, your body dumps out adrenaline and the will to fight? Said it before, say it again...don't be ignorant. Oh, and LOL at the Leben fight where Mr.GoodCallRef called a fight because a guy stumbled. Oh the logic.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:40
PS. Sorry about the long post, I know most people are going to just say fuck that shit. But I tend to ramble. Even when I'm apologizing for rambling. ...carry on.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:42
That was the first several shots standing. Watch the video and shut your illogical pie hole.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:43
See this is what I have always said about Carwin. Of course your always going to be happy and sportsmanlike if you're undefeated. No shit? I mean you're always winning, of course you're going to give congrats to the guy you just shit kicked in a round. But now that a loss comes, he shows his colors. I'd be pissed too, but don't blame the ref. He did great. Brock wasn't beaten to shit, and no he didn't go out a couple times. I watched the fight 10+ times to make sure. Brock was protecting himself well, and every time he received any sort of warning he either threw a pansy punch from the bottom, or kicked Carwin off. It was a great reffing job and I applaud Rosenthaul for it. Now I can prove to everyone that Carwin = Brock. They're both douchbags, but so what? I still respect them both as fighters and believe both can get a lot better. That's exciting. That being said, I still dislike Carwin as a person. I enjoy Brocks "I don't know what the internet is, and I enjoy shooting things" personality much more. Even more than Brock,I'm still a Fedor Fanboy at heart and he's my number one with his "I look the same when I'm getting my asskicked, winning, or zoning out in a pointless interview" look. I also believe with Carwin's gassing out, and Brock's horrible standup (seriously he is not meant to be a striker, everytime someone strikes at him he would bundle up and run off), I still think Fedor could possibly beat either one of them. If anything the last two weeks proved to me that all of the top heavyweights are HUMAN. Not just Fedor. Him beating Brock/Carwin is still disputable of course, but I believe they would be amazing fights. Good god I want him and Overeem in the UFC. It would be the ultimate division, and you could seriously have an amazing Heavyweight matchup on every UFC card.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:45
Haha, you mad? Because anyone with eyes can see he was taking shots on the ground. Calm down bro, you're ragin.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:52
I literally JUST re-watched the fight. Bahahaha! You are DELUSIONAL! I stopped watching at 3:20 seconds after I saw Lesnar take MORE than 5 more connecting punches and several elbows. You can quit lying through your teeth...this is an argument you can't win...why? I have a damn VIDEO providing the proof.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 08:58
Right, and he wasn't really hurt brah. No not mad at all my GUY won the fight. Nothing to be mad about. Nice of you to bring Miem's into this very creative and 4chan'ish. So at the end of the day I get to drink my Vanilla Starbucks and watch my boy choke out the "Peoples Champ"(Please Refer to months ago with the whole twitter/Cagepotato situation between carwin). BLAH BLAH BLAH! So anyone for a game of chess?
Thu, 07/08/10 - 09:04
And I can sit here, sip on my orange kool-aid and know that while he won, Brock walked away knowing he just got his ass kicked and like with his illness, was lucky to walk away.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 09:10
Carwin's 12 first round finishes just might have something to do w/ being a really well conditioned athlete, no? Who really thinks that the Jackson camp would let one of their guys fight for the heavyweight title fight without conditioning. And beating the piss out of Brock to win a 10-8 round sounds pretty exhausting to me. Shane's killer instinct nearly gave him a devastating win. He didn't walk out w/ the belt but does anyone really think that Brock was the better fighter last Saturday? Was Carwin actually blaming Rosenthal? Didnt sound like it to me. Sounded like he was explaining what was going on in his head while making Lesnar his bitch. I've been in that situation, except instead of fighting a 265 ape, while gigging (slightly less dangerous)... despite my band rehearsing 5 days a week, often on the first show out, 2 songs in, I wouldn't be able to pluck a string, or even hold a pick, Shitty for me. And then I think punching Lesnar in the face 50-something times in front of millions of people on live tv must be even more difficult. I wonder what was going through Brock's head, other than leather.. One more q.. who can be brought into a training camp to train for THAT fight? 265 is entering uncharted territory. Shane and Brock are leading the way. Okay, this is my real last q.. Would that happen to Shane in a rematch? Or will Lesnar F-5 him into a gogoplata?
Thu, 07/08/10 - 09:12
You can't call submitting someone lucky. It's just ignorant :) sore losers are so easy to come by these days
Thu, 07/08/10 - 09:16
You can call what happened beforehand lucky? Please...what are you doing? You're continuing it...you're still doing it brah...still being ignorant! It hurts man...stop =\
Thu, 07/08/10 - 09:32
Every ref is different. Rosenthal saw something going on that caused him to keep letting it go. So lets just drop that part and do like Almost North said, assume we are all douchebags.... But to say Brock got his ass kicked and Shane didnt is ignorant. He subbed the guy in round 2. So Shane got his act kicked also, just in a different aspect of the fight. And to whoever said there should be an immediate rematch: You sir, are a fucking idiot.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 10:01
I'm not saying it's right, but title fights are reffed differently and tend to err on the side of, "I'll stop it when someone dies or taps." I'm not sure if the fight should have been stopped at the end of the first round or not, but if Rosenthal really told Lesnar he needed to defend himself 3 times that's a litle excessive. I think once should be enough and if Lesnar still didn't get the message it should have been stopped. 3 times is a little too much babysitting.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 10:07
@ Casa How wasnt Brock intelligently defending himself ? he blocked the majority of the punches that Carwin threw, and 3 or 4 times, Brock pushed Carwin back about 6 feet with his legs. If he had scrambeled to get up then he would have been hit with a clean shot and surely been KOd. Thats about as intelligent you can defend yourself when you have a 280+ lb guy standing over you throwing punches IMO. Carwin gassed, its his own fault for shootin his load so early, he knew it was a 5 round fight, he got caught up in his own "no ones gotten out of the first round" hype and gassed trying to finish Brock in the first round too.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 10:30
I have a revolutionary new training regimen for Carwin: do epic amounts of GnP for hours on end, everyday. Problem sovled. That first round was a total blitz on Brock and left no question in my mind who the better fighter is. But I don't think Shane ever beats Lesnar. So far, Brock has been the kryponite of everyone that's better than him at MMA on paper. He's only had a handful of fights... ! Just a huge dude with great cardio who's the shit at wrestling, and can now apparently also withstand prolonged and vigorous man rape.
Thu, 07/08/10 - 10:41
@ FREDDY AGREED! All day sir all day!
Thu, 07/08/10 - 11:24
sorry shane, as butthurt as I am that piece of shit cock chestner won, I hate excuses. especially when they don't fucking jive with reality. You are a professional you should train for adrenaline dumps, and lactic acid build up. I agree the fucking ref shoulda stopped it, by maybe dodging brocks big slow ass in the second woulda been better than being took down like a bitch who never heard of wrestling. next time get some cardio, and no more fucking excuses.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 12:06
carwin was division II champion around the same time lesnar was division I champ why do people talk about him like he's not a wrestler? Their backgrounds are almost the same. Christ a guy gives an explanation and you compare him to mr jenna jameson wtf? Carwin clearly won round one, and got subbed in r2 anyone who thinks he was losing before the choke is an ass clown of the highest order. My two biggest problems w/ this fight are; Pay....why does lesnar make 400k when he has no real MMA background? Carwin only got 40k that's a fucking crime, grove made that much to fight on the undercard. Rematch?? Where is it?? To me this was just as close as machida/shogun 1 or penn/edgar they both got the "instant rematch" so where is carwin's. Totally unrealistic and unrelated but I hope roy nelson wins his next fight and goes to beat lesnar because that would just be some funny shit/karmic justice...also fuck lesnar
Fri, 07/09/10 - 01:13
"When Shane Carwin went from the being on the brink of dominantly beating UFC heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar in the first round of their title tilt last Saturday night to feebly succumbing to an arm triangle choke in the second frame, many people were left wondering,"What the hell happened?"' "According to the Trevor Wittman Grudge Training Centre trained fighter says the claim is without merit." Can anyone spot the errors in these sentences? because the fucking loser idiots that write and edit these articles sure cant. Seriously, I never complain about the writing on this site, I love nearly every article I read. But for about the past 5 months EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ARTICLE has parts that look like they were written by a fucking 5th grader. Show a little professionalism, cp, and proofread your fucking pieces so they dont read like chickens scribbling in diarrhea.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 01:37
Wow. you know what i really find funny? All these schmoes that talk like they have the slightest clue about fighting or even. Being athletic. Seriously, you all need to smash that JVD movie scene out of your head. It is much harder to...nvm it doesn't matter. Most of you are complete idiots. Please go box, do some jits, have some real life experiences that can help you understand Wtf is happening to the fighters in the cage. Don't be couch commentators. Anyone who hear you that knows a thing or two will think you are a jerk off...but they won't say anything and you will always be ignorant to the fact that you are dumb. P.s. this is directed to the commentators who disagree or dispute with carwin is saying. Use some logic. Has carwin ever said or acted in a way that would make you think he is anything other than an honest, real, no bullshit kind person? Yes, your logic is fucked.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 02:58
“During the first round, (referee) Josh (Rosenthal) was telling Brock to fight back or he will stop the fight, every time I heard that, I unloaded a little more and eventually just punched myself out.” “I think the biggest factor of the adrenaline dump was hearing Rosenthal say, `Brock I am going to stop it,’ and then not stopping it,” admitted Carwin. “He said it at least three different points in the round, and each time I went for the finish and it never came. It sucked the wind and life out of me.” This is an excuse, and I am disappointed in Carwin for even saying it. Does not matter what he followed it up with or preceded it with.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 03:08
@Almost North - Agreed. Except me. I'm awesome. So let's apply the ol "what if it was a real fight" mentality. Real fight = Cock Chestnar wins. Real fight = exact same fight minus the 1 minute rest = Carwin gets choked 1 minute earlier. This is why YOU finish the fight, not hope that the ref does or that the judges give it to you. Regardless of how many shots Brock ate or if he went out, he came back, and was on his feet attacking before the end of the round. Any way you slice it DickSword wins. So why don't all you ref blamers just stop it, because it makes you look like a bitch. Go get some vagasil and rub it on your sandy vag(s).
Fri, 07/09/10 - 03:22
Listen, May or may not have been said by someone already but good grief! Enough of this "a better cardio shane, a better this shane would" bullshit. How do you know? Have you seen a Shane Carwin with better cardio? No? Then how the hell would you know? Look, Brock moved when he was told to, Blocked most of the strikes and even stood up on his on at the end of the barrage. Shane Carwin is not the best! Get over it. He is a 265lb Tito that in his eyes has still never lost. He is one of those people that will always have someone or something to blame their loss on. Fuckin douche. I used to love Carwin, but this shit has put a stop to that. Josh Rosenthal and Herb Dean are the two best ref's in UFC right now and Josh proved it at UFC 116.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 04:27
In my opinion the fight should have been stopped. I train MMA and I also fight as an amateur, so I have a little bit of an idea what should/could end a fight. Even though I think that the fight should have been stopped, I wasn't Josh Rosenthal. I didn't see what he saw. We can beat this to death and pick apart and dissect the entire match, but it won't change the outcome. As far as punching himself out, I'm pretty sure that's what happened. For everyone on here saying that there was no way he had a huge adrenaline dump at the end of the fight and he just gassed, think about this. You are in full mount on top of the UFC World Heavyweight Champion. You are raining down punches and trying to end the fight. You hear the referee state multiple times that he's going to end the fight if the champ doesn't defend himself. You telling me that you're not going to have a huge surge of adrenaline when you hear that? You're not going to get all pumped up over the thought of ending the fight and realizing your dreams of becoming champ? Come one man. Think about it. On another note, the adrenaline dump comes from the basic human response called the "Fight or Flight" mechanism. Look it up if you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 04:59
@bighal You are the definition of "keyboard warrior". You are obviously some retarded teenage wwe fan that probably would have cried like a baby if brock lost. I'm guessing you haven't graduated highschool yet.. and I'm kind of wondering if you've even started highschool. You are the bitch and the sissy, not the ufc heavyweight that made Brock look like a scared little girl getting throttled by a grown man. Carwin was more impressive in that fight than Brock was, despite the outcome. At least Carwin never RAN AWAY LIKE A PUSSY. Brock had the horse shoe up his ass this time, and if they ever fight again everyone knows Brock has no chance. Deal with it.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 05:06
@Karmaatemycat "because Injured and hurt fighters get up and have the power to push people against cages when there dazed and hurt. Oh the logic Oh the logic." I guess you missed Couture/Vera? The only thing that got Randy through that fight was that every time he got hurt he just clinched and shoved Vera against the cage. What do you think fighters do when they're hurt? Try to give the guy plenty of space so that they can unload on them? Lay on the ground? No, they close the gap so that the other fighter doesn't have the space to attack and stall until their brain starts functioning again. Every time a fighter is hurt they either try for a takedown or push their opponent into the cage to buy time. Sounds pretty logical doesn't it...
Fri, 07/09/10 - 05:09
Carwin aint makin excuses, point being the ref should have called that, there have been MANY other scenerios where the fighter's been in brock's position and fight was stopped, nothing intelligent about covering up and doing jack shit. Shane's a finisher, just too bad the ref wouldn't let em.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 05:24
@Freddyfangers "And to whoever said there should be an immediate rematch: You sir, are a fucking idiot." What is your reasoning behind this statement? If you are going to call a large group of people "fucking idiots", at least attempt to give some explanation. If so many other fighters get immediate rematchs I don't think it's out of the question that Carwin get one, and I certainly wouldn't call anyone a fucking idiot because they thought so. Personally I think Cain should get a shot first, and then Carwin. For the record, while I like the guy I'm not a big Carwin fan. I didn't really care who won I just wanted to see a great fight and I was left completely satisfied by that event start to finish. My issue is stupid fucking people. They piss me off. Disrespectful keyboard warriors too. SHUT THE FUCK UP
Fri, 07/09/10 - 05:31
I think one thing is PAINFULLY obvious... Next to none of the commentators here actually train and fight.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 05:41
every time he heard "i'm gonna stop the fight" more adrenaline came... the ref just kept saying it but did not mean it... and thats what caused the adrenaline dump... makes perfect sense.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 06:27
Are people seriously calling for an immediate rematch and/or comparing this fight to Machida/Shogun I? Seriously? Seriously? No...Seriously? Brock took a beating in the first round, there's no question, but the fight should not have been stopped. He was defending himself just enough to keep it going, and the last thing you want in a title fight is to have any doubt that a stoppage was premature, which would have been inevitable if Rosenthal had stopped the fight. The difference between this fight and Machida/Shogun I is that Shogun was considered by many people to have won 3, maybe 4 rounds of that fight and lost via DECISION, in Carwin/Lesnar, although Carwin won the first round decisively, he also LOST THE FIGHT DECISIVELY in the 2nd round.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 06:37
To me, both Carwin and Lesner looked very beatable. And I think had Lesner not been the champ then it woulda been stopped and he'd have his second loss. After he ate that big uppercut I don't know how Lesner survived that barrage from Carwin. It'd be interesting to see what Valesquez does with Lesner. If he fights smart and has a good game plan I could see him pulling out a win but I still say if anyone can beat Lesner it's Carwin.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 06:37
Dumbass commenters aside, I also think there is some irresponsible writing on this site. I've been reading other people's mean spirited opinions of the new writers and didn't really think it was called for. Now I'm starting to change my mind because of articles like this. Dude was just telling how the fight went for him. Sometimes I seriously hate mma fans. It's like these fighters have to walk this thin line and if they do a single thing the least bit questionable they get lit up on the forums. What's really crazy is that some of these dbags hating on Carwin because he gave a logical explanation of the fight are the same ones that swing from Rampage and Lesnar's jock strap. Apparently it's not ok to say that the ref constantly warning that he's gonna stop the fight caused you to go all out trying to finish, but plowing through a highway in an enormous truck ramming cars out of your way is cool.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 06:45
@knucklesamitch You are right in that they were different scenarios.. but to be fair Shogun didn't beat the ever living fuck out of Machida for an entire round. I don't think think that a fight MUST be a decision to warrant a rematch. Carwin/Lesnar, GSP/Serra, and Danzig/Wiman come to mind. All of those fights ended in a finish but in none of them does the finish mean that the guy who won is really the better fighter. All of those fights deserve rematchs. Maybe not immediate, but I also don't think it's out of the question. They are all very different scenarios, I'm just trying to make the point that being finished should not rule out a rematch. Especially when the only reason you got finished was because you blew all of your energy throwing haymakers for 5 minutes straight. Do any of you really understand how hard that is by the way? Grab a heavy bag, put it on the floor, and punch it as hard as you possibly can for 60 seconds straight and see how you feel.. or if you even make it that far.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 06:53
Stop all the crying...........Plain and simple good ole Dana "good to be white" said,"Don't leave it in the hands of the ref or judges".
Fri, 07/09/10 - 06:59
As always these "journalist" have to twist words around "Shane Carwin Blames Referee Josh Rosenthal",not once did Carwin blame him, all he said was that when Josh told Brock he was going to stop the fight if he didn't fight back he went at him to take him out, he also says "I swung for the fences and came up short" meaning that was the reason he couldn't finish him, he's not making excuses, he's taking full responsibility for not finishing him, but as always people have to twist words around to stir up sh*t.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 07:24
Horrible headline on this one, you take one of the most responsible and hard working guys in the sport and make it look like he's diverting the blame. "This was the biggest fight of my life and I swung for the fences and came up short." This is blaming the ref? I would understand if it was funny, but GTFO
Fri, 07/09/10 - 07:30
Callahan618 ... You clearly need to take a crash course on the sport of MMA. The ref clearly made the right call not stopping the fight. You are delusional. It doesn't matter if someone lands 200 fkn punches. If the guy isn't seriously hurt then they don't fkn matter. Oh and as for a rematch .. when this does happen Lesnar is going to be even better so the outcome will still be the same. Wonder what your excuse will be then?
Fri, 07/09/10 - 07:33
Brock got his ass kicked so hard that for a minute there it was between his shoulderblades. But the fact is Brock came back and subbed him. Doesn't mean Brock is a better fighter, just means Brock beat him. Brock won that fight for two reasons: 1. Dana White wants Brock to be the champ, so the ref wasn't gonna stop the fight unless brock was completely out. I've seen many many fights stopped before that point. 2. Brocks atheletic ability and extreme conditioning. IMO: If Carwin can't KO him, noone in the UFC can. Cain is a better boxer but doesn't have near the power of Carwin. JDS better technically than Carwin, but Lesnar will overpower him, and I don't think JDS can catch him in a sub. Mir doesn't have the chin to weather the storm with Lesnar again and catch him. Out of everyone in the UFC, Big Country might actually be the one well rounded enough to beat Lesnar. Fedor could feasibly take a pounding from Lesnar and catch a limb, or if he was able to somehow keep it standing he might be able to KO Lesnar. Overeem might be able to do something with Lesnar. I have a hard time beleieve anyone can lay on top of Ubereem, and his striking is badass. Werdum stands a BJJ chance but really, him subbing Brock is just as unlikely as him subbing Fedor, but we know neither is out of the question.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 07:44
It's funny watching the media warp the minds of the feeble. A troll wrote this article, and now all the trolls rise as one to denounce any and all of Carwin's credibility. The standard MMA troll loves nothing more than branding the "nuthugger" label on anybody who likes a fighter that said troll doesn't like. But talk about "nut-shifting". I'll bet 90% of these new "Carwin haters" were riding the Carwin bandwagon just yesterday. And now he's a little bitch. All because of an poorly written article. (by the way, I fucking hate the term "nuthugger" and every offshoot associated with it)
Fri, 07/09/10 - 07:45
I'm glad there are a few reasonable people in here. The first page of comments made me want to throw my laptop down the hall. I can't stand dumbass people like most of these dbags. A lot of Lesnar love I guess. I'm pretty neutral on both fighters, I was just pumped to see a great fight and imo they delivered. Now I want to see Lesnar get humiliated though. Nothing against Brock, I just want all his fans to cry.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 08:24
lol at palmtreeguy trying to act like a know it all and saying something that is painfully, blatantly inaccurate to anyone that's been watching the sport before wwe wrestlers were involved. @Joshuan While agree with most of what you just said, there are a couple points I disagree on. The reason the ref didn't stop it is because it was a title fight, they let title fights go on wayyy longer. It's hard to get a tko in a title fight. Randy almost got pummeled to death by Brock before they stopped it, and gsp had to tap out. Also, the refs don't work for the ufc so dana has no control over them unless he's bribing them under the table. Also, I think Carwin can definitely ko Brock, it just didn't happen on that night.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 08:32
Damn - I barely get into work and there is already 60+ comments. I haven't read many comments but I'm sure the haters are pourin' on the Haterade. For the first time in his life Carwin is feeling the intense scrutiny of the media, fans, and haters... and naturally he's feeling a bit defensive. I won't hold that against him. I personally did not hear Rosenthal telling Brock to fight back, but that's because while Brock was turtled-up for the first round I was too bust yelling "FINISH HIM!!". Mark my words Shane will get another title shot, and he will prove the doubters wrong. ArmFarmer FTW...
Fri, 07/09/10 - 08:36
Palmtreeguy...lol...really? You're going to directly assume because I am posting online that I haven't participated in any form of MMA? Well, Karate, Wrestling, and boxing and generally considered MMA....while I never pursued it very far I did very well in all three categories. The ref made the right call, eh? Look at what happened a few weeks before UFC 116 when that same ref called a stop to Leben Vs. Simpson. Yeah, good call right? Pfft...try harder.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 08:58
i guess Mir vs Vera shouldnt have been stopped either, cuz, when Vera was feeding Mir punches on the ground, Mir was in the exact same postion as Lesnar was...turtled like a bitch brock sux, not even close to the greatest HW eva. Just has an incredible size n weight advantage over his opponents. Best kickboxer, Jits, Ta Kwon Do, Karate, Boxing, dirty boxing, Kung fu, Sambo-no Big wrassler-yes Cutting 25+ lbs to compete in a weight division defined by 60 lbs-yes woohoo, the big kid won again, now thats entertainment booooooooooring
Fri, 07/09/10 - 09:18
It was a great fight by two great fighters... I understand Carwin complaint but- the ref did what he was supposed to do and give Brock a chance to intelligently defend himself which he did. Brock did what he needed to do to... Stay awake and get into the next round; which he did. This takes nothing away from Carwin- he did what he was supposed to do. Leave it all in the cage. Great fight. Not the refs fault.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 09:50
Shane Carwin vs Kimbo Slice for worst cardio.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 10:03
I wont waste my time trying to convince the Lesnar fans that Brock dodged a bullet last Saturday night. I won't waste my time trying to tell Carwin fans that he and his corner made a rookie mistake by trying for 3.5 Min's to GnP Brock thereby punching himself out. I won't waste my time saying that Josh Rosenthal had a lapse in good judgement. The only point I want to get across is that if the UFC does not let Carwin and Lesnar II happen asap, I will lose all respect for the UFC and Zuffa. I lost my respect for Brock a long time ago. Shane lost, I accept that. No use crying over spilt milk. But he was well on his way to pounding Brock into another reality. Next time do not be surprised to see Brock fall down again,.... and not have Shane follow him. Carwin will live and learn, Brock will always be a choad, and the ref wont be able to save him next time. Oh and with 15 years of fighting and training/coaching experience behind me I do believe I have something to bring to the table.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 10:21
@armfarmer, I'm not saying a fight has to go to decision to be considered for an immediate rematch...But comparing Lesnar/Carwin to Machida/Shogun I is a dumb comparison. The other reason I don't believe that this warrants an immediate rematch is that a) Carwin put up zero fight in the 2nd round and got sub'd by a guy who no one in the universe thought had a sub in his repertoire, and b) Carwin needs to prove he deserves a shot...Sure he's a beast when he's KO'ing dudes in 1:10 of the first round, but as soon as the fight hits 5min, he's finished. Carwin needs another fight or two, and either prove that he can finish everyone in the first round (except for Lesnar), or make it to the 2nd round with a little something left in the tank.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 11:12
@knucklesamitch Why would you make the claim that he can't fight more than 5 minutes? Have you ever tried to lay into a heavy bag going 100% for more than a minute? That shit is brutally tiring. Like ballkick said, Shane made a mistake. He got over anxious to finish and wore himself out, and I'm sure hearing "Brock I'm going to stop this fight" over and over made it difficult to pace himself. Just because he gassed in the 2nd in that particular fight does not mean he will gas in every fight that hits the second round. I also don't get why it's surprising to anyone that he won via submission, especially that particular submission. You're talking about an elite athelete that was a national champion wrestler and you don't think he's learned a fucking arm triangle from top position in the last 5 years or however long he's been training? You'd be hard pressed to find a submission that was any more similar to basic wrestling holds. When all is said and done.. it's a fucking headlock. You might be surprised that a 300lb d1 national champion wrestler is able to apply a modified headlock on a gassed opponent but my jaw sure didn't drop. This fight needs to happen again. Let Cain have his shot, give Carwin a fight to keep him active, and rematch them at the next opportunity. That is exactly what needs to happen.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 11:20
Also, explain why there is no comparison between this fight and machida/shogun. Yes I see the obvious difference, but they have similarities as well. They were both controversial fights where both fighters showed that they were more than capable of hanging with the champion, and actually delivered quite a beating to the champ, but in many peoples opinion the wrong mans hand was raised in the end due to poor judgement on the part of a 3rd party (judges/ref). Still don't see any similarities?? Besides, you don't even need any of those similarities for that fight to be valid in this discussion. Shogun was granted an immediate rematch after a losing attempt in a title fight, that alone makes it relevant to the discussion on whether or not there should be an immediate rematch... after a losing attempt in a title fight. I've given a detailed explanation of why I think it's a logical comparison to make, your turn.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 11:25
@armfarmer, I'm not saying Carwin can't fight for 5min, I'm pretty sure he can, and I'm saying he can't be Brock. I'm a fan of Brock because I think people are too quick to to discount him because he's a former WWE-er and a dick. The thing is, whether Carwin can or can't fight for 5min, he hasn't...and the one time he was forced to, he lost in the 7th minute. To me, Carwin deserves another shot, but not until after Cain (obviously), and not until Brock gets the winner of JDS/Nelson...And Carwin should face the loser of JDS/Nelson.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 11:27
Gentlemen...please...calm down...none of this matters.....Cain Velasquez..is going to be and stay champ......save your breath......
Fri, 07/09/10 - 11:30
I'm surprised by the excuses Carwin is coming up with. Take the loss like a man and come back stronger, I'm still on the Carwin train.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 11:31
ArmFarmer makes sense, I have nothing much to add. Let Cain give his best shot, and probably get steamrolled by Brock. Give Carwin anyone in the HW div. Let that KO happen. Then .......let them fight again. The fans want it! I will bet the biggest roadblock to this happening will turn out to be Brock and his camp ducking this rematch. 116 was the first PPV I bought from the UFC in a very long time, it was the first one that warranted the over-priced cost. I will pay again for Lesnar-Carwin II. Regardless of who's on the under card.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 11:38
Carwin lost because he let Brock stay down in the 1st round. He should've backed off and forced Lesnar to stand up, then beat the crap out of him on his feet. Everytime he fell down, force a stand-up. It won't take long for the ref to end the fight then.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 12:21
@armfarmer at least you got one thing right, and thats about me being a keyboard warrior. i'll keyboard beat you to death you idiot. now on to the topic here. "not the ufc heavyweight that made Brock look like a scared little girl getting throttled by a grown man" HUH, who tapped like a sissy bitch????"Brock had the horse shoe up his ass this time, and if they ever fight again everyone knows Brock has no chance. Deal with it." HUH HUH, brock needed someplace to store that horse shoe untill the second round, and then he reached up there in that big ass of his, and pulled it out and smashed SHANE "CRYING" CARWIN over the head with it and made him ahhhhhhh what was it carwin did after that? oh yeah HE TAPPED LIKE A BITCH. if brock were not better then carwin then brock would not be the champ right now. SOOOOOOOOOOOO DEAL WITH THAT BITCH
Fri, 07/09/10 - 12:45
You know, I wrote another long ass message, but then I just decided it was pointless, so I'll say this, if Carwin wants a rematch, he needs to fight and win 2 fights and here they are: The loser of JDS/Roy Nelson...If he wins... The winner of Mir/Nogueira II...if he wins, he gets Lesnar again...Assuming Lesnar makes it past Velasquez and the winner of JDS/Nelson.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 01:00
J Rosenthal is a fighter too. He knows what to look for and could tell that Carwin's punches weren't fight -ending. And Brock proved him right by coming out fresh in the second. Carwin will be back though.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 02:46
@bighal How old are you?
Fri, 07/09/10 - 03:06
Wow. So I guess Wal-Mart was out of vagasil? Or maybe you chowder heads just couldn't find your vag because your gunther is obstructing the view? Sandy vag city in here. Controversial victory my ass. Carwin tapped out. END OF STORY.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 03:13
there are some good points in here, and while i have always been a Lesnar fan i think he got lucky in that Rosenthall was the ref.. I could see others stopping that fight. that being said i actually think brock was intelligently defending, ive rewatched the fight twice now and every time Rosenthall tells him to defend he does something significant in my opinion. as for carwin, i personally feel he gassed. i also agree with whoever it was that said he believed his own hype and punched himself out thinking he was headed to another first round victory. anyone that still thinks lesnar sucks regarding his mma and his chin is absolutley a moron. he took some massive shots from carwin and never once looked rocked. he was definitely surprised or scared by them, but never seriously hurt (also just my opinion). i dont think there is a person in the entire world that hasnt made an excuse for losing. we all do it, it sucks no one likes to lose. i still like carwin and cant wait to see him fight again. personally i hope he gets another shot at brock, as that was one of the more exciting fights ive seen recently, although i still would have my money on brock. if carwin doesnt push the crazy chase and punch pace that leaves a major opening for lesnar to shoot and work his ground game, i have to say i think lesnar has carwins number, he's just a bigger better fighter. all this being said, the 2 stupidest posters in this whole thread are ArmFarmer and Callahan... you guys need to get a grip and get off carwins nuts. there are lots of brocktards in here too, but you guys are just brutal.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 03:40
Shane's right...the only reason why Rosenthal didn't stop it is b/c someone in the higher office told him to hold out as long as possible....don't think so? How about Kimbo Slice vs. Roy Nelson on the HW TUF? Kimbo was UFC's cash cow....until Roy Nelson dropped two full rounds of non-effective UNANSWERED blows to Kimbo. the ref stopped it eventually. Think he was right in waitng to stop the fight? How about Condit vs McDonald? McDonald got fucked out of a UD with 7 seconds left. How about Leben vs Simpson? That fight got called standing up. What about Kampmann vs daley? that was called standing too. Brock Lesnar is nothing more than a cash cow in Dana's barnyard. Come on man. If Brock loses, the UFC suffers the loss of a bunch of uneducated band-wagon fags (I mean, fans)who like fake-ass WWE. Shane Carwing got fucked. Period. Should the ref really ask THREE times? The power punch stats: Carwin 77 Lesnar 2. Do the math...Carwin landed 75 UNANSWERED blows mostly to the face and head of a cowering Lesnar, and 74 in the first round. Two things....he may have won the fight, but Lesnar got his ass kicked, royally. AND I wanna know what was going thru all those BL fans when he was getting his ass royally kicked? Were you scared? you should have been, because the Kimbo effect nearly got ahold of Brock.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 03:42
Shane's right...the only reason why Rosenthal didn't stop it is b/c someone in the higher office told him to hold out as long as possible....don't think so? How about Kimbo Slice vs. Roy Nelson on the HW TUF? Kimbo was UFC's cash cow....until Roy Nelson dropped two full rounds of non-effective UNANSWERED blows to Kimbo. The ref stopped it eventually. Think he was right in waiting to stop the fight? How about Condit vs McDonald? McDonald got fucked out of a UD with 7 seconds left. How about Leben vs Simpson? That fight got called standing up. What about Kampmann vs daley? That was called standing too. Brock Lesnar is nothing more than a cash cow in Dana's barnyard. Come on man. If Brock loses, the UFC suffers the loss of a bunch of uneducated band-wagon fags (I mean, fans)who like fake-ass WWE. Shane Carwin got fucked. Period. Should the ref really ask THREE times? The power punch stats: Carwin 77 Lesnar 2. Do the math...Carwin landed 75 UNANSWERED blows mostly to the face and head of a cowering Lesnar, and 74 in the first round. Two things....he may have won the fight, but Lesnar got his ass kicked, royally. AND I wanna know what was going thru all those BL fans heads when he was getting his ass royally kicked? Were you scared? You should have been, because the Kimbo effect nearly got ahold of Brock.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 04:00
C-Bus Allstar Says: Fri, 07/09/2010 - 15:31 I think one thing is PAINFULLY obvious... Next to none of the commentators here actually train and fight. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so fucking what? no on in HAS to train to be able to comment you moronic fuck. You think just cause people don't train they don't know anything? your a cunt. I can coach, it don't make me a goddamn football player you stupid douche, but I assure you I know what I'm doing, so what does training have to do with commenting? Here eat this bag-o-dicks, and shut the fuck up while the adults talk, you obviously don't know your ass from your elbow.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 04:46
@armfarmer, i'm old enought to keyboard whip the shit out of you! how old are you? i'm going to guess that your real name is shane "crybaby" carwin also. right or wrong? you sure talk like a carwin on the losing end of a championship fight. just can't except it can you mr armfarmer? DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON CAUSE YA HAVE NO OTHER OPTION, and therefore you try and pick a keyboard fight with the one person "THATS ME" that makes the most sense on this whole entire thread. like you said to me earlier, DEAL WITH IT
Fri, 07/09/10 - 07:56
jesus hal you got banned and had to come back under another name, you make it known you were the old hal, and you still act like the same person, but less LARGE LETTERS. you are a retard, even when you try to make sense. Why are you here if you can't change? was being banned not enough? you need it twice? grow up. Sometimes you have to learn to just not reply to every little thing.
Fri, 07/09/10 - 08:12
First things first I am a Brock Lesnar Fan well I was untill ufc 116, This fight was leaning towards the champ literally Xcuse my grammar. I bought the PPV I felt every punch Brock took to the face well atleast It felt that way. Way Dramatic lol Matter fact I thought The ref was going to stop the fight When Brock Survive the 1st round I said sweet and when Brock won I was stoked till I saw the post fight Interview when Brock SAID " I want to thank the ref for not stoping the fight? Thank God he came to my room before the fight started, He asked me Heavens Forbid If I see you in trouble you dont want me to stop the fight? WHATTTTTTTTTTTTT BUll CRAP IT meant that the ref was leaning towards Brock before the fight took place , flat out I Lost respect for Brock I dont care who you are that is cheating Period. I aint down with cheaters I know alot of nobodies here that dont know anything about MMA going to blahhh blah. WEll imagine you in a fight that you worked your but off and it happens to you nahhhhhhhh My respect to carwin The real champion all of you runing you fingers off if you know what I mean saying aw he gassed out yes he did after he demolished brock on the 1st round carwing was not going to win with that reff unless He knocked Brock cus the reff sold out I wonder How much Brock Payed him. MMA is turning to be just like boxing is all about crooks and what the powers at be says who is going to win
Sat, 07/10/10 - 12:19
so Lesnar looked like a big pussy to you eh? well it must suck to get submitted by a pussy. brock got back up and fought back but carwin would have actually died if he didnt tap. you sir are not as smart as your anger makes you think you are.
Sat, 07/10/10 - 01:37
You are right! The fight should have been stopped.. In one of the post fight interviews with Brock and Kenny Florian, Brock said he didn't know where he was for a few minutes. How can you intelligently defend yourself if you don't even know where you are at? Shane should be wearing the belt.
Sat, 07/10/10 - 09:54
@bighal I don't argue with children.
Sat, 07/10/10 - 10:07
I'm honestly not a big Carwin fan. I just think there's a lot of unfairness and dumbass people in here. It was a great fight, Carwin brought it to Brock like no one expected, Brock showed the heart and determination of a champion, and after weathering the storm he put Carwin away with some skillful and well executed techniques. I am only defending Carwin so much because he is the one being unfairly attacked due to a poorly written headline and a misleading article. He basically said he lost the fight because he blew his energy in the first round trying to finish, and was too gassed to defend in the second. Is that news to anyone? Didn't we all know that the minute the fight ended? I just think there is a lot of unwarrented Carwin hate going around. Like I said I have nothing against Brock, and I have defended him as well when people talk like he's not a real fighter. I completely respect his wrestling background, his athleticism, and the hard work he's putting in. I thought it was an incredible night of fights and at the end of it I wasn't upset at all just blown away. All I'm trying to say is that Carwin is a good dude and he's not making excuses, and that he deserves a rematch at some point soon considering the beating he put on Lesnar in the first. I think if he paces himself and keeps the fight standing Carwin could have his hand raised next time. I also thing it's just as likely Brock would win. Just trying to be the voice of reason in a comments section full of feeble minded people and children, but there are some intelligent posters in here as well. That's all I have to say about it, you guys can continue being immature and flaming and jumping to rediculous conclusions now.
Sat, 07/10/10 - 12:58
@armfarmer good then leave me the hell alone and let me put my comments up without your sorry ignorant ass trying with all your heart and soul to make me look as stupid as you look. now go on about your biz and back off.
Sat, 07/10/10 - 12:59
@armfarmer I THINK I LOVE YOU BASTARD LOL
Sat, 07/10/10 - 01:16
I am the furthest thing from a Lesnar or Carwin fan, but I think saying Carwin blames the referee is stretching it a tad. And for those of you saying Rosenthal should've stopped the fight, you're right ... He should've and he did ... once Carwin tapped out. Good call, Josh.
Sun, 07/11/10 - 12:41
Even Bas Rutten, one of the legends of MMA, agrees the fight should have been called....he has a little more credit than you keyboard warriors. Talk more...everyone knows.
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