UFC 104 Aftermath: Machida/Rua Rematch Coming Up, Barry Makes Out Like a Bandit, Sonnen Moves Onward and Upward

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everyone fucking hates steve "shit the bed" mazagatti.

Herb dean used to be the guy who would stop fights early till too many rematches were caused by his shity reffing. since then he seems to have cleared up his act. but when i think of mazagatti i think of lesner wanting to punch his moustache off and i think of a late stoppage with cain and ben.
otherwords fuck steve.

as far as the main event goes i had machida to win first round ko.
anyone who knows how mma is scored should have given the fight unfortunately to shogun.

It's not "bullshit" when a close fight goes one way or the other. Dana had rounds 2-3 to Machida, rounds 4-5 to Shogun and 1 as a very close round, leaning Shogun. I had the same thing, except I thought the 1st round leaned Machida. It is not some crazy, conspiracy laden, robbery that a toss up round or two went one way or the other. Just the way it is when it goes to the cards. It's not like Shogun dominated Machida or anything. Both fighters fought 25 minutes and neither came close to ending it or won any round decisively. Every round was close, the fight was close, the judges favored the champ.

Looking forward to the rematch.

Somewhere in Albany, Bob Reilly and company are watching Rua v. Machida and saying "Look at what that Shotgun guy is doing to that poor man, and these rabid Ultimate Fighting fans actually think he deserves to be rewarded for this."

Chael Sonnen: "I'm not in here to be famous or to be on TV or to make a bunch of money. I'm in here to win a belt that's 12 pounds and the color of gold."

This a minute after him talking about how it's also a "fight business" and that Yushin Okami needs to learn how to hype a fight so they're not relegated to the undercard. Then, later in the video, he's hemming and hawing about the fact that they weren't scheduled for the televised portion of the card, all the while saying "not that it matters to me, but [complaining], not that I'm complaining."

I've always liked him as a fighter, but I can't make heads or tails of this guy.

Well, we don't want another
Rampage moment happening...

Watching the fight a second time, with the sound off, its much easier to see why the judges gave the fight to Machida. I thought round one was close, but that Machida took it. Yes, Shogun did more damage to Machida in that round than anyone else ever has, but Machida was still landing well and landing slightly more, still could have gone either way. I saw Machida winning rounds two and three as well, but not be much. Shogun definitely took round four, and five was close, but i gave it to Shogun. With two rounds apiece, and one round that could have gone either way, its not hard to see this as going to Machida. I think it should have been a split decision instead of unanimous, and I'm glad an immediate rematch has been called. In some ways, this immediate rematch is the best thing that could have happened to the Lightheavyweight division, because if either man won decisively, then who is the next contender? We not have a guaranteed title fight that people will want to see due to how close this one was, and it will give the UFC time to build up future contenders.

I totally agree. I get so mad when lakers lose by 1 point after they won the championship the year before. It's like " you have to BEAT the champ to be the champ and 1 point isn't really BEATING them."

Both fighters put on a great show and I wouldn't have wanted to been a judge for that fight (except for the whole getting to watch it up close part). Was I surprised Machida won? Nope. Would I have been surprised if Shogun got the nod? Negative. Would I have been in awe if the judges scored it a draw? Not in the least.

One of MMA oldest adages rings true here: If you don't want to lose a decsion, DON'T let it go to the judges.

I just can't believe the level of disrespect shown for Machida for something that wasn't his decision and isn't completely his fault. What do you want him to do? Tell the judges they were wrong, he's sorry, and step down as champ? You can't be serious, can you?

Would you? You can't even let a simple decison go, how would you ever willingly relinquish a championship that you just fought your heart out for?

I have a great idea kids, since there is a petition to overturn the decision (lmao, gl with that shit), why don't we just drop the judging altogether. We can do all judging American Idol style where everyone can call or text their answer in as to who won the fight. That is a great idea, right? That would be a great way to get the fans involved, since they clearly know more than the judges at ringside. And we can give everyone in the crowd number pads that they can vote on, too. That way, every drunk prick in the upper deck that isn't busy getting in a fight can get their say too, as they definitely have a better view than the judges, way up above the cage like they are.

Don't get me wrong, this is not to say that judges are infailable, but they had a tough decision last night.

With so many of you blaming Machida for this, why doesn't anyone think that this is at least partially Shoguns fault? After all, he did just kind of lolly gag around for the last round. There were lots of opportunities for him to go in and do SERIOUS damage to Machida through the whole fight, but he decided to play it safe. Maybe if he had completed a single takedown on a fighter with no legs, that would have pushed the decision in his favor. Think back to the Rampage/Jardine fight. I believe I read somewhere the judges had it for Jardine until the last knockdown. So had Rampage not gone for it near the end, he would have lost. Why not let a little of THIS blame fall on Shogun for not going after it and ending the fight? He looked fully energized at the end, maybe push it a little harder and show the judges who the clear victor is.

I am just glad it was a great fucking fight. I'll admit, I didn't think Shogun had a chance. Yes, I had seen his previous fights in Pride, even though I didn't exist until recently. But I also saw his decline, and I didn't think he looked good in any of his fights prior to this one. Liddell is a tough guy, but he has been solved. I thought the 2 surgeries (or 3 if you listen to Joe from last night) were going to be more than he could come back from and still compete at the HIGHEST level. He proved me wrong, and I am glad. Had he been as healthy as I though, we would have gotten to see a few more undercard fights, but not the great fight we saw. 2 tough ass, highly skilled guys going at it for 25 minutes. That is why I watch this sport. And now we get a 2nd fight? More time to prepare, more time to study, and so we get to see what will hopefully be a considerably better fight? Sweet. I'm down for more great fights.

So now we have a rematch coming. Why not start a petition for that, to guarantee the rematch? Why do you need to petition to have the victory overturned? If you were that concerned with keeping peoples record intact, there would be a thread 1,000,000 pages long to remove Fedors loss. So why the big push to HAND Shogun the belt? You do realize that something given has no value, right? If that happened, Shogun would be just as much a paper champ as you say Lyoto is.

The only way to solve this is to get the next fight ASAP. This debacle falls more to the fighters than to the judges in my opinion (and I don't care what pokeystotle say, that phrase is fine). Neither fighter put on a truly decisive display. They left it in the judges hands, put on a very competitive fight, and played it safe. They both missed several opportunities to potentially close the fight, both were tenative. Had Lyoto maybe kept the pressure on in the flurries in he threw in the 1st few rounds, he might have gotten a shot through that hurt Shogun and knocked him down or maybe even ended it from there. Instead he backed off and let Shogun reset and flap his arms (or whatever that was, cuz I didn't see Lyoto throwing fireballs). Maybe if Shogun had taken the opportunity to get it down and pound Lyoto out when he broke his legs in the last few rounds, or even completed a single TD (not when Lyoto slipped), he could have finished or sealed a decision. Instead, he was content to just exchange with him, take some and give some.

How about placing this blame where it deserves, on the fighters for not doing all they could to make it clear.

everyone get off machida's cock!! just cause he does karate he's allowed to back up and stay away from striking? kaleb starnes did that with an injury and got kick out of the ufc and is forever shamed!! every time he engauged with shogun he got popped and ran and was so far from be aggressive that kalib starnes looked more impressive! and his "most elusive" stats are fuckin gone baby!! he got nailed more time than jenna jameson in that fight!!! At least anderson silva can finish shit, not duck and dive to decision!!!!

Very good fight, i personally gave shogun the nod taking 1, 4,5, but thats how it go. looking forward to the rematch. I have always liked shogun, when hes on point, and healthy, hes dangerous.

and Roy "Big Country" Nelson needs to take some notes from Joe Stevenson, that is how you finish a fight from the crucifix position, or as Joe Rogan likes to call it "the Salaverry" because Joe R is all over Ivans nutsack.

forgive me for asking, but in this instance why is everyone so pissed off at mazzagatti?

i thought that he should have stopped the fight a bit sooner, and i think the fact that he warned rothwell about not defending himself... and the next round watching him take 6+ hard shots, unanswered, to the face was a pretty reasonable point to stop.

so are you all pissed because he left it too long? or are you pissed because you thought it was an early stop?

Dont you ever write a comment that long Dmonicideals, that shit is weak son. The Ben's need to have a character limit for the commenters. That shit is ridiculous and you will only get hated on for doing it. I also agree with the jf dude that anyone that posts first all the time (KillDozer) or anytime at all is retarded. But jfjfjff, you are a fucking idiot for picking that name.

The highlight of this event is that fact that Shogun blew everyone away. Excellent cardio, and obviously very well prepared for this fight. I was rooting for Machida, but Shogun impressed me so much that I'm rooting for him next time around. The image of the Shogun in the Coleman fight just vanished...

I rewatched the fight... People may disagree, but with the sound off I had it as a draw, basically.

I thought Machida squeeked out the first and third (but close enough to where I wouldn't be that surprised if they went either way... In the third I had Shogun winning by a slight margin until Machida's flurry at the end) and I thought Shogun took the fourth and fifth by a larger margin. I thought the second round was too close to call. Overall, Shogun did more damage, but *round by round* it could have gone either way. Shogun's cardio was impressive (along with his timing, speed, kicks, gameplan), but he rarely went after Machida's head or looked to finish. Machida landed a lot of straight lefts, but paid in most exchanges (to the body) and didn't utilize his usual arsenal of sweep attemtps/leg kicks and Shogun's cardio was better in the last 2 rounds and I was surprised by his performance.

Either way, Shogun deserves an immediate rematch.

People had a problem with the Cain/Ben stoppage because it was early. Steve could've stopped the fight in the first round but he didn't. It's not like football where the ref gives the other team a penalty to compensate for a shitty call in the previous possession. He has to be showing he can't defend himself at the time of the stoppage.

Ben was getting his ass kicked for sure but he was pushing himself up when the ref stepped in.

I love how retarded journalists think that the crowd was booing Machida. Not at all. Machida is a great fighter and still the champ.

The fans, including myself, were booing the judges and their estimation of the fight.

Score 3 for the Cecil Peoples' School of Retarded Judging.

Chael Sonnen would get KTFO by Marquardt and LOL at him even thinking he could win the MW title... He needs to shut up... either that or get embarrassed by a top 3 MW... Okami was a HUGE letdown last night.

Chael Sonnen has FOBD. Foreign Object In Butt Disorder.

Fuck Cecil, but I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the other judges and assume that they thought it was opposite day.

Wait, there was a title fight Saturday? I paid $50 and got to see a pretty heated sparring session.

Sonnen's kind of a dick (And delusional to boot) and I like Okami a lot, but Sonnen's 100% right with his criticism of Yushin. It's like he [Okami] and his camp don't get why he's on the undercard and keep doing the same fight over and over again. Now that Okami lost, hopefully he'll change his game a little.

Not to be racist, but since Yushin probably can't speak English too well, if at all, he has to rely on his fight performances to hype himself. What exactly did Chael want him to do to hype up the fight? Hold hands with him and do a press tour?

@BigBitch: No, douchebag. I think the whole fight was a farce to begin with. You get a guy coming off multiple surgeries who gasses on his way to a decision over a dinosaur, TKO's a concussed/telegraphing dinosaur and MMA fans are supposed to take the title fight seriously when we throw him in there with the "most elusive" champion in history. You got what was expected. Shogun trying to use Lyoto's style to beat him; inside leg kick and a 'superman that ho' evasion until the opponent gets so irritated they start wildly swinging before taking advantage of an error. However, neither effectively did step two and we witness the most boring fight in recent memory. I knew the fight was going to suck a dick but I'm Dana's favorite kind of customer; a rich 18-35 year old male who counts on at least some of the other fights being entertaining and willing to shell out the money to find out. Take yourself less seriously. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion of the fight, but if it makes yourself feel better go ahead and throw up your cliche opinion hoping to get an e-high five, you twat waffle.

@TheKCB: Yes, I was pissed at Joe Rogaine because he was so obviously biased for Shogun. Machida would throw a punch in Shogun's face and Shogun would return with a leg or body kick, and only the kick was mentioned. The judges scored the face punch higher.

And in one of the other fights, at 1:30 left in Round 2 Goldberg loudly declared "We are half-way through the fight". WTF? Maybe Rogaine was blowing his smoke in Goldie's face and got him high.

It'll be interesting to see the betting odds for the rematch. Do you think Shogun will be an underdog again? I doubt it.