it's like a joke, but it's not

Hey Nintendong man, Van Damme doesn't deserve to be on that shameful list. He ain't what he was but he had a 20-2 record with all wins by t/ko and both losses by dec. He COULD have been destined for K1 and more.....but decided he liked himself too much and went to Hollywood....'deep sigh'.......but he has swam man.

I would love to see someone pull off that upkick-catch-into-standing-heel-hook. Seriously, that would be awesome. Sub of the Year if it happens.

I wish they had subtitled Seagal's sound effects. "Whump!" "Uhhh!"

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After Seagals aikido lesson Machida taught him acting...

Nintendong, actually there have been a few aikido teachers who taught Green Berets. Japanese police are trained in aikido, because it really is a good way of controlling regular people (most regular people aren't fighters and can be controlled without breaking their bones).

I studied it for years, and while I love it as a philosophy and a useful tool for conflict resolution, I know that an aikido practitioner would not do well against a trained fighter (I think that's the main reason you don't see them in MMA). But the good ones will do fine against your average belligerent asshole.

That Black House team is putting on one hell of an epic troll job.

It looks like Lyoto got conned into meeting Segal and it turned into a totally unwanted block of instruction.

Lyoto looks like he's waiting for somebody to pop out of a bush and say "haha! your on candid camera!"

This is painful to watch.

In Apil he(alledgedly)fought some 23 year old vietnamese broad and made her eat some pills so he could have his way with her.

Shortly after she pressed charges and he won the court battle too.

When was the last time you cut up a pair of rastifarrian drug-lord twins, or had a knife fight with Tommey Lee Jones or that white dude from 'Enter the Dragon'?

When was the last time you cut off Eric Begosian's fingers with a hellicopter door, or has a sweat-ass sword fight with Danny Trejo?

Well it seems like the "Lawman" may be hard up for cash these days... doing terrible movies and reality tv series. I wish someone would throw some James Toney money at him to get into the cage. That would be epic. As a big fan of the late 80's & early 90's action flicks, I'd love to see JCVD, Segal, Norris, Wesley Snipes, etc in real MMA competition. Scott Coker needs to make this happen for us.

@macreadysshack is 100% correct.

@LOKI Uh....I've seen him "training" law enforemcent...he's winded and out of breath just walking into the dojo. 6'4" 260 lbs does NOT = fit and in shape. Have you seen this man's gut? That's the scariest thing about him. Seriously - how does he get close enough to apply a lock on someone when eating pie makes him out of breath.

Steven Segal is an idiot. He's made a lot of bad movies - and, by the way he is also CONVINCED a plot by the FBI has made all his movies fail, when he himself is actually just a big tub of fail.

When was the last fight of any kind Segal had and how did he do?

...I once drank a "Steven Seagal's Asian Experiance", teleported to Japan and powerbombed Bob Sapp. True Story

In all seriousness; He is a white American who grew up in Japan and taught a Japanese martial art in country when they were still having black rain from what the Enola Gay left em.

Do you really think he is a pushover who has nothing to offer MMA fighters or a real life combat sittuation?

I could argue about this all day, but common sense has clouded my vision and I think Seagal is a chump. Just like Van Damme, Jeff Speakman, Frank Dux and Billy Blanks.

To quote Matt Sera, "He is an expert swimmer, that's never been in the water."

@ Nintendong
Segal is no joke my brethren. His claim to fame in the martial arts world IS making Aikido more aggressive, including strikes and kicks that were not common practice before. No you're wrong, the man is the real deal. Now I'm not sayin he could step in the cage and be "the man" there, but in a confrontation on the street, not many stand a chance. There is even variations of ground fighting in his style of Aikido.

No contact 'combat' martial arts will get absolutely OWNED by any contact fighting sport fighter. One can't possibly develop the rhythm, distance and timing necessary without full contact competitive 'sport-style' fighting. All those 'ninjas' out there who have these tricks that are too 'dangerous' to actually practice won't be able to pull off jack shit when they're getting dumped on their head by a wrestler, leg kicked by a muay thai artist or completely ass raped everywhere by an MMA guy.

Sure, an MMA guy's got to adapt it for the street but it's a hell of a lot easier to take somebody who already takes damage and dishes it out and show them how to eye gouge, ear slap, small joint manipulate, Monkey steals the peaches or only use take-downs to dump guys to damage them and then disengage to scan for other targets.

An MMA guy who has just a tiny bit of direction about how to be more effective on the street is 1000 times more dangerous than some Ninja or Pentjak-Silat guy whose never, or very rarely, actually exchanged 'let's kick the shit out of each other' energy with another guy.

Loki you are out of your mind if you think Seagal would be able to do anything in a real life confrontation.

As far as training police goes, don't make me laugh. The local Shotokan guy here teaches inner city police restraint techniques and the guy is about 40lbs overweight and would get hosed in a real fight, just like Seagal.

There is a reason you don't see Aikido "experts" training the military in combatives or competing in the world stage of MMA.

Seagal is a joke.

He wont KO Rampage with a backhand slap to the forehead

why is he even bothering teaching lyoto things that are illegal in the cage? lyoto might as well watch bas ruttens self defense tape and just stab rampage in the liver with a bottle

I'm always hearing this argument on these comments about MMA versus other arts. I notice that some people don't understand the difference between a "combat martial art" and a "combat SPORT martial art". There is a huge difference between fighting on a street and fighting in a locked cage with lots of rules. Don't get me wrong, I love MMA and SOME of it would be very effective on the street (if you're fighting only one opponent, who "promises" to NOT pick up any bricks, steel pipes, etc.).

Example: You're a BJJ artist or wrestler who ends up on the ground fighting a would be mugger. You feel you're doing well and handling the situation until his cracked out friend walks up and shanks you in the gut or neck with a broken beer bottle. Case in point, your BJJ and wrestling actually got you killed in "real life". On the flip side, if you throw in a trained combat martial artist and told him he could only use 10-15% of his weapons or training, I'm sure he would get demolished in the Octagon by a well conditioned mma practioner.

There are combat martial arts out there that forbid their students from competing in sport arts because it gets the mind thinking from a standpoint of rules and that changes the mindset of a practioner all together. All I'm saying is that there are extreme differences in what we talk about and people need to understand that.

I love MMA and have been a fan since about 93' when you could only rent them on VHS 6 months after the PPV, but lets not get the arts twisted. NOW these guys are highly conditioned ATHLETES. Some of the best in the world. But it is THEIR cage and THEIR world they fight in.

I guess you could say, Seagal wants Lyoto to be a....HARD TARGET!

"sometimes, at the beginning of a fight, it's good to come out and dominate your opponent, really scare him"
-Segal, Lawman.

Strikeforce should do a "Legends" Battle putting Steven Seagal against Chuck Norris.

^Does he really play a Dime?

All you cats that are saying Seagal is a joke and that you could take him, dude you need to go download "the path beyond thought", realize that homeboy is a 6'4" 260ish Lb and has been training police and other law enforcement types in pain compliance since before Al Gore invented the interwebs.

He would fuck yer shit up like you were a bowel of gumbo, shoot a mountan dew commercial, go pound out a shame of asian whores to work up a sweet, and end his day by whipping out a hot-lick on his Dimebag Darrell Guitar.

I WANT TO FIGHT STEVEN SEGAL!!!

I've wanted that fight for a long time, even started a thread about it on Cameldog. I can take that fat bastard, I'll fuck him up. I'm serious, CagePotato make it happen for me!

I'll fight for $20 and a case of beer.

machida: "Hey Steven, what were you doing packing those young girls into your caravan?"
Segal: "Oh hey Lyoto, nevermind that, I actually heard you were here and I wanted to show you some techniques for your upcoming fight"
machida: "how did you know I was even here?"
Segal: "moving on bud, put that glass of piss down and put those hands up"

I tried Aikido for about six months after being a long time BJJ and Judo guy and found that it was totally useless outside an Aikido class.

So much of the join manipulation leaves you open to strikes, the throws don't work worth a goddamn outside of class or against a "no-gi" opponent and there is zero to be learned in terms of useful striking.

Seagal would get bowed up by the most elementary MMA fighter.

So first off a lot of Akido is similar to several styles that use submissions and what not Key Locks, etc etc. Budokai Karate is another style that is very solid and transitions into MMA pretty well I mean obviously WAY better then AKIDO but ugh yah throat chops wont fly to well with the Ref if Machida does that. Seagal is not a joke by any means but when he's helping these guys I think he forgets that we have different rules then an AKIDO tournament or match might have. I dunno whatever this is fairly entertaining though.

I love it when martial artists who have never fought MMA give pointers on what to do in the cage. That's like golfers giving baseball players pointers on how to swing a bat. Or soccer players giving a football kicker pointers on how to kick a field goal.

Next up, Steven Seagal gives NHL players tips on how to effectively use their hockey stick to take out an opposing player.

@LOKI

You are a funny bastard.

Lyoto, if you keep drinking that fuzzy yellow shit, this is your future.

I trained in Aikido with one of Segals senior students in St. Louis. I enjoyed it, but wanted something with a little more contact, and competition. I also thought the type of joint manipulation that is used in Aikido was illegal in mma. Segal is a bad ass, and it a lot bigger than people realize, but I don't think his style of fighting would be effective in mma.

Steven Seagal is a fuggin chump, end of story.

Sadly that whole "acting credits" blurb is a true story. Ferchrissakes, talk about being typecast. What's next for Mr. Gibson-but-not-the-famous-one-who-was-in-Braveheart-and-who-might-also-be-a-fucking-lunatic? Personal Protection Agent? Time to seriously re-evaluate your career choice there De Niro.

After the way Silva got handled the last fight I'm convinced that Seagal is just giving them tips on how to beat their wives.

Lyotos gunna wrist lock the shit out of rampage, then give him 10 to 15 illegal throat shots

So, Rampage will put on a 14 minute beating before being tapped by a wristlock.

Although Rampage is acquainted with Gene Lebell who alegedly made The Glimmer Man lose his mudd.

Either way it was bad enough for Page before The Mojo Priest was brought into the equation.

This is a 'get well soon fight for Machida' and a 'go stand in the corner and think about what you did' fight for Rampage.

....Marked for Death.

Nice Limp Bizkit soundtrack in the background......